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Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Misplaced Pages:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

There seems a fair deal of confusion about namimg animals and plants. The normal convention is that English names of species begin with capitals, eg--Magnificent Frigatebird, but groups are lower case and, usually, plural as in the frigatebirds.

Binomial scientific names are written with a capitalised generic name and lower case specific name, Fregata magnificens. Higher taxonomic groupings are always capitalised.

Should these guideline be part of the Misplaced Pages conventions, assuming that they are not already? jimfbleak 16:28 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)

What about raptor/raptors or bird of prey/birds of prey jimfbleak 14:54 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC). Some 40 group monographs advertised in a birders' magazine used the plural invariablly for the title, eg Owls of the World. It is standard practice to use the plural for groups, eg woodpeckers, and capitalised singular for species, eg Great Spotted Woodpecker Jimfbleak

I didn't move it. I did make a link to frigatebird more direct, and remove a self-reference. It is standard practice in Encyclopaedias to name things in the singular and not the plural. Look at raptor in Encylopaedia Britannica . Mintguy

Ok jimfbleak 17:00 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)

Your picture of a vulture Image:Flvulture62.jpg was very nice, but it was a bit big (in both pixels and bytes) and also a bit washed out, so I made it smaller and brought the colour/brightness levels up. Mintguy

One more thing, please don't make redirects to pages that don't exist yet. You end up with a broken link (i.e. one that looks like it works but doesn't e.g. Common Loon. Mintguy ... later.... which now of coure works, cheers. Mintguy

Hi Jim. You are making great progress on the bird entries, I see. Keep it up! I'll try to chime in with some of the Southern Hemisphere species now and then, though I have a terrible habit of over-commiting myself to lots of different projects!

It seems to me that there is some serious confusion about the proper way to name birds (flora and fauna generally, actually), particularly with regard to capitalisation. I think it would be a good idea to thrash this stuff out once and for all at a suitable location, such as Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (flora and fauna). If we can get the policy right by making some proposals, getting feedback and reaching general agreement, then it can become a general recommendation for all to be aware of.

Let me know what you think, or better yet, just go ahead and draft something, post it at that link above (or somewhere similar) and start the ball rolling.

Cheers - Tannin 12:25 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for comments and support. Not sure why all links to British names have been removed from loon article, so I'll put them back. I will try to remember to write main article before putting the redirect to it! Incidentally, in the interests of transatlantic harmony, I've used N. American loon for the group heading, but the British diver form for the species articles with appropriate links. jimfbleak 13:34 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)

I removed the links because they are redirects to pages that you have already linked. e.g. "Yellow-billed Loon or White-billed Diver" both end up on the same page, it's not required. Mintguy

If the links were redundant, it is the "Loon" versions that should go, since the "Diver" versions are the actual articles. My thinking in putting in the redirects is that an American or Canadian contributor might write redundant material if a search for, eg, Common Loon gave no result, not realising that editable material existed under Great Northern Diver. I'm just trying to save unnecessary work by linking the N American and British names. jimfbleak 15:50 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)

Well the redirects are there, so there is no problem of searching and not finding anything. It's usual to link to the first reference to a particular item, it doesn't matter whether you use the American name or the British one Mintguy

Point taken, I'll reverse the Brit and American names so that the substantive article comes first. I don't mind then whether the extra links are in or out since, as you say there are redirects from the species themselves.