The Reliable Sources Noticeboard is where I go. When you go there, first use the search engine to see if there have already been discussions on the source in question. If not, or if you feel there was not a clear consensus, or have a more specific permutation of the source to ask about, begin a new discussion, and remember to mention not only the source, but the article and/or information for which you wish to cite it. The editors there don't just want to be asked about a source; they want it to be specified what you're using it for. That board's search engine yields a few past discussions on Emporis, so I would start there. Hope that helps.! Nightscream (talk) 22:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry. I seem not to be making edits correctly or not recording sources correctly. I substituted Nenthead, Cumbria for Flash, Staffordshire as the highest village in England. The evidence or source for this is the published Ordnance Survey 50 metre DEM (digital elevation model) which I have consulted. The evidence for the Flash claim cites Flash claims to be the highest village in England. In 2007 the claim was upheld by the BBC (actually The One Show), which settled a dispute with its rival claimant, Wanlockhead in Dumfries and Galloway. The Ordnance Survey (actually Starnet Geomatics) measured the highest house in each village and Flash was higher. Neither the BBC nor Ordnance survey considered Nenthead therefore their work was fundamentally flawed. I have given figures for the highest property in Nenthead within the defined village limits, based on highway signage. There are other higher properties but which are arguably outside of the village. The Ordnance Survey 50m DEM which I have referred to is a recognised published source. Regards Ashe (Asheshouse (talk) 12:49, 23 January 2014 (UTC)).

Nenthead has made the claim several times, however consulting a map and interpreting which settlement counts and is highest etc. is WP:OR. You would need to find a source more reliable than the BBC and the Guiness world Records that claims Nenthead as the highest.SPACKlick (talk) 13:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. It is the claim by Flash which is WP:OR. They only compared two places and did not include Nenthead in their assessment. I have spoken directly to Guiness World Records and they have said that they do not maintain a record of the highest village in Britain and have no interest in it. The 2007 work was not done by Ordnance Survey, so both the sources quoted for Flash are false. Reference to the official OS Mapping constitutes a reliable published source and has more authority than either of those false claims. The difference in level is significant enough to put the matter beyond doubt. (Asheshouse (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC)).

Beyond doubt in your opinion. But do you have a source that states that? For Flash as the highest village a quick google finds the telegraph Peak district info the independent Macclesfield Express all in favour of Flash. Adding Nenthead to the google search finds Visit cumbria and the independent

Compare the independent articles carefully, the one in favour of Flash is newer and states;

Both villages claim - falsely - to be England's highest, at around 1,450ft,
although Nenthead has rather sneakily attempted to raise the bar by
claiming that houses situated further up the hill are part of the village.

until you can present a source to counter this, your claim is unsourced and constitutes WP:OR SPACKlick (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I have always hesitated to accept newspaper articles as a reliable source. Since you accept the latest Independent article I would quote;

Situated atop what's known locally as "God's Treasure House", Wanlockhead is a mere
13ft nearer heaven than Flash in Staffordshire. It's in the Uplands rather than the
Highlands, tucked away in the Lowther Hills of Dumfries and Galloway, on a block of
rock containing lead, zinc, copper, silver and some of the purest gold on earth.

That would make the claims here wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/Flash,_Staffordshire.

Perhaps the only correct position would be acknowledge that there is no agreement on the matter.

Certainly there isn't consensus and noting that there is dispute would be worthwhile. That said OS clearly found that Flash was 102feet higher than Wanlockhead;

Flash leapt up in height 40ft to 1558ft, while Wanlockhead, with a population of 156,
was downgraded to a meagre 1456ft - much to the chagrin of the Scots.

Nenthead only claims to be 1500feet leaving it 58 short of Flash. Flash is the best supported answer. SPACKlick (talk) 15:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a key point from the recent BBC/OS work. The criteria for assessment was agreed, here quoted from the Flash, Stafordshire wiki entry;

The Ordnance Survey measured the highest house in each village and Flash was higher

Using the same criteria at Nenthead gives 1580ft (482m). Noting another comment above.

Both villages claim - falsely - to be England's highest, at around 1,450ft,
although Nenthead has rather sneakily attempted to raise the bar by
claiming that houses situated further up the hill are part of the village.

Nenthead has not "raised the bar" simply applied the same rule used by others. The house at 1580ft is adjacent to the main road through the village (A689) and inside the village limits defined by the highway village sign. I would suggest that reference to the OS 50m DTM is a reliable independent source. No interpretation involved. You just read off the numbers. (Asheshouse (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)).

Evidently it does require interpretation or everyone would get the same answer. Those houses are evidently not considered by the independent reporter to be part of the village. You are simply misunderstanding what constitutes WP:OR unless you can find a source where somebody explicitly says nenthead is the highest village and gain consensus on the talk page it is inappropriate to put that in the articles. In terms of the interpretation, which house would you say was the highest house within the village of nenthead? Would it be one on Church Lane or one on National Route 7 (as google calls it)? How could you easily judge? It would be personal interpretation and this would make an elevation difference of nearly 30m. SPACKlick (talk) 16:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The village limits are decided by the highways authority, so no interpretation required. They indicate it by the positioning of the village signs and speed limits. Those on the A689 (NR7) are shown here http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff113/Asheshouse/Image1_zpsb91e0807.jpg The highest house is the prominent one on the left. I cannot comment on what may have been in the mind of the Independent Reporter when, or if, they visited Nenthead. (Asheshouse (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)).

Again you've made an interpretation that a) the highways authority is definitively correct and B that house falls within a boundary marked only by points. Find a reliable source that actually makes the claim or the claim has no place on wikipedia SPACKlick (talk) 22:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest that English Hertitage is a reliable source and more reliable and authoritative than the general press.

The research department has produced a report on the area, Report No 054-2010 The Parish of Alston Moor - Historic Assessment. The report may be downloaded here: http://services.english-heritage.org.uk/ResearchReportsPdfs/064_2010WEB.pdf

I quote from the introduction, page 1 and 2;

Alston and Nenthead are both sited on a considerable gradient, Alston lies at  between 265 and 330 metres
above sea level,allowing it to claim to be the highest market town in England (an assertion disputed by
Buxton, Derbyshire), Garrigill is at about 345 metres and Nenthead at between 430 and 475 metres, giving
Nenthead the accolade of being the highest village in England and having the highest parish church.

English Heritage being a national body of considerable academic authority may be considered a highly credible source. (Asheshouse (talk) 10:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC)).

Excellent, now we have competing sources. That is a discussion for the talk page to garner consensus as it is now a disputed source. Put the two sources there and see what people say. SPACKlick (talk) 10:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry -- I don't understand what is being asked. Which "talk page"? Which two sources? I really do not know how to progress this matter.(Asheshouse (talk) 10:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)). Ah sorry, each article has its own talk page for discussing just this sort of disagreement within sources, I've summarised the situatuion with Nenthead vs Flash ]. Jump in and have a look. SPACKlick (talk) 10:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC) References

1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/buyingsellingandmoving/10013105/For-sale-a-home-in-Britains-highest-village.html
2. http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/towns/flash.php
3. http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/peak-viewing-566066.html
4. http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/local-news/highest-village-claims-were-no-2535570
5. http://www.visitcumbria.com/evnp/nenthead/
6. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/village-digs-deep-into-its-mining-past-zinc-deposits-could-return-a-oncethriving-pennine-community-to-its-glory-days-9053698.html

Hi - although it's not me making the edits adding the Pitchfork review of Pink Moon, technically speaking the people doing it are correct that the link gives the album 10/10. The overall score of 8.5 is for the Tuck Box box set as a whole, but if you look underneath the album cover they also give individual scores for each of the five albums included in the box set, which give the overall average of 8.5 (8.6 actually, but I'm not going to argue with Pitchfork's maths). Whether a score taken from part of a box set rather than the individual album should be included in the reviews is another matter... Richard3120 (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I corrected the article to the one I think you wanted to protect? You must report the right page and look at the capitalization of letter to make sure it is correct. QED237 (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. There is no good idea to protect pages against a single editors. A page protection is for pages being vandalized by many IP's and were it is to hard to block all IP's. In the cases you reported it is a single IP user and in those cases you should warn the user on their talkpage and report them to WP:AIV. QED237 (talk) 15:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

That is why your requests has been declined. QED237 (talk) 15:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the "Marriage Penalty" page. Look at the sources I cited if you do not understand the issue. Do not delete text and references just because you don't understand it. I will report your vandalism if you don't stop it. 15:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.152.41.187 (talk)

This is clearly a content dispute and not vandalism. SPACKlick has shown interest in discussing this so you should discuss instead of making this threats. Failing to discuss from either part and I will report you. QED237 (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Please advise me on why you changed my edits to the NorthWestern Energy page. What can I do to provide verifiable content (e.g., the correct logo). Also some of the news was close to 10 years old so what is the best way to update the information without being un-done. Thanks for getting back to me. SSMalee (talk) 19:50, 24 January 2014 (UTC)SSMalee

Hi There SSMalee, Your changes consisted of;

* adding two orphaned references
* Changing the Logo, no reason given
* changing their operational paramaters in the infobox with no provided source
* Removed pretty much the whole article which has sources.

If you'd like to come to the talk page and discuss those changes one by one, I'm sure we can improve the artice SPACKlick (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello SPACKlick, Thanks for getting back to me. As an employee of NorthWestern Energy here are some of my responses: -- I changed the logo because the one currently posted applies to a company that no longer exists. In 2003, NorthWestern Energy, (the company that used the globe as an O in the logo) filed for restructuring protection. In 15 months, a newly formed and solid company emerged. Since it was a new company, we retained the name but changed the logo by removing the globe. From a branding issue, we really want to update logo. -- I updted all the company information in the sidebar to reflect the exact information the company regurlarly files with the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC). The summary statements are our formal statements and we updte the information and file it with the SEC at least annually. -- I deleted the information under the Controversial section because the lawsuits related to the 2005 explosion were settled several years ago. NorthWestern Energy worked in good faith and as quickly as possible to resolve the many lawsuits as a result of the unfortunate incident in Bozeman; however, the case is closed and is far from the only lawsuit we deal with daily. By mentioning only one lawsuit, it paints an incomplete, outadated and inaccurate picture. -- Please tell me how to cit information I poste. Can I use company press releases? Obviously, you did not like the reference to the SEC documents either. What do you consider objective and verifiable references? -- I could post some more current information about NorthWestern Energy, but I really want to avoid this delete-repost game. Thanks for getting back to me. 16:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)16:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.96.16.11 (talk)

If you can find some primary sources (press releases/company website etc.) and some secondary sources (reliable news outlets reporting the reformation of the company) I'll help work out sources but essentially you use < ref > < /ref > tags around the reference that refers to the piece of information in each sentence, things in the lead and infobox should be within the main article. SPACKlick (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

This demographic information that I have contributed to this entry is FAR better sourced than the rest of the article. One quarter of Americans have zero white lineage. But if you look at the general assembly photo I sourced, you will see that the OPC is clearly a white denomination. The OPC once even said so themselves, but they have failed to even inquire into this issue since the 1970s.

Please discuss this on the Talk page of the Article. Talk:Orthodox_Presbyterian_Church.

The source you are using does not make the statements you are making, you are interpreting them from the sources, this is a violation of WP's policies. Either find sources making the claims you have put in the article or do not put them in the article.

Additionally, not having a source for a census is not the same as having a source for no census. Your edits, in totality constitute WP:OR and thus violate WP's Policies.SPACKlick (talk) 12:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages: the Missing Manual FYI: WP:EDITSNOTEDITORS (The secret cure for edit wars) Pass it on. 172.129.246.164 (talk) 10:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this edit. It was a copyright violation cut and pasted from here: (Note the reference in the deleted material). 71.139.148.156 (talk) 17:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hello. I noticed that you advised 213.160.115.66 not to remove warnings from their talk page. That actually is allowed - see WP:OWNTALK for details. Users are not permitted to remove some templates though, such as shared IP notice (which I restored) and declined unblock notices whilst the user was still blocked. --k6ka’‘‘(talk | contribs) 12:57, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I must have misread those guidelines at some point in the past. SPACKlick (talk) 13:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I think we've all done that at some point or other. Basically we assume that they've read any warnings that they remove. Obviously there are some notices that can be restored such as the ones K6ka mentioned.’‘‘Green Giant (talk)‘‘‘13:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 14:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I replied to your gracious note here. Thank you. David in DC (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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As a note in case this becomes relevant later. The "Edit war" is two reverts of an edit to Oscar Pistorius as I believe the charge being placed by HelenOnline violates BLP. Per BRD I reverted her Bold change and discussed on the talk page. Most sources call it one thing and further discussion is ongoing there. SPACKlick (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Many thanks SPACKlick (talk) 11:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey. Just a note asking you to sign your comment on the Smeetesh Patel ANI just so users know who commented. Cheers --’‘‘NickGibson3900 ‘‘‘10:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, thanks for the catch. SPACKlick (talk) 10:55, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on the new lede. I've finalized adding citations and wordsmithing the text on the Talk page. Please do a final review and proceed to update the article proper. Should be an easy copy/paste job. Mihaister (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that I'll come have a shufti. SPACKlick (talk) 09:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the good Doc reverted to the old lede, because the new one had only 2 paragraphs. I've broken the one on the Talk page into 3 paragraphs, so let's try again. Mihaister (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Are you serious about giving Bretonbanquet a barnstar for civility during the DRN? Ok, the user was civil in concession, but this and this , coming from that same DRN, don't quite demonstrate much civility. And why did you give only that particular user such a barnstar? I would think that GyaroMaguus, Burgring and maybe even Twirlypen are even more entitled to receive such a barnstar. Tvx1 (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@Tvx1: I tend only to give the barnstars to people who I disagreed with, it's a lot less fair to judge people who you are in agreement with as you almost always see them in a more positive light. I also particularly noted Breton because I was uncivil towards him in places and he didn't get baited by it. The first diff you posted was borderline uncivil but was far less snarky than I'd have been in his position and the second diff wasn't uncivil at all. Now GyaroMaguus was certainly civil and if any of those disputing with him felt civil enough for a barnstar then i'd wholly support that. SPACKlick (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

You closed the discussion, but i'm not sure a clear concensus was reached for Alien. In fact, when i count, i reach the opposite conclusion. Pro Xenomorph: Urammar, Nytemyre, 94.208.108.19, NinjaRobotPirate, ミーラー強斗武, me (PizzaMan) Pro Alien: Serendipodous, Lagrange613, Rhododendrites, McGeddon That's a 6 to 4 majority for Xenomorph. Just because those four editors keep replying to every point made pro Xenomorph until other editors are done with it and move on, that doesn't make them right.PizzaMan (♨♨) 11:57, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@PizzaMan:: Per WP:Consensus Consensus on Misplaced Pages does not mean unanimity (which, although an ideal result, is not always achievable); nor is it the result of a vote. Decision-making involves an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. I looked at the strength of the case rathter than a simple tally of pro and con editors. I did not feel a compelling case had been made for Xenomorph as the common name, which surprised me because in my social circles it is referred to as the Xenomorph, but we're geeks and personal usage doesn't define common names. If you feel I closed it inappropriately please see here for the process for dispute. SPACKlick (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't care much for the Alien franchise, i just saw the RfC and gave my opinion that it's not right for any franchise to claim the generic word "Alien". I've had a discouraging amount of WP: policies thrown against me when i once dared to disagree with the majority on another topic, so i just wanted to point it to you that you went by the minority opinion when closing the RfC. I'll leave it up to you if this was a correct decision. PizzaMan (♨♨) 15:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea, but Im not sure if those choices will be counted in the RFC. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make sure people know that those entries may not be counted in the RFC, big and bold. It would be a shame if Health effects was at the top of the article because few made a choice at the top (1, 2, or 3) but medical editors. AlbinoFerret 04:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

A current post by Zad may be confirming what I said about the chart not counting. link to section he started AlbinoFerret 14:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Cheers AF, didn't spot these posts. Yeah, I wasn't looking to have it counted in the RFC, I doubt the RFC was formatted well enough to be valid but I just wanted people to be aware that there were more options within the scope of the discussion. The table was just a straw poll to see which options consensus was ever likely to reach. For instance I'm not going to argue to hard for my preferred version because it's clearly not going to gain consensus any time soon. SPACKlick (talk) 13:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I just want to avoid a misconception possibly by some editors that adding to the table is just as good as leaving a comment on the RFC. The more people who actually comment on the RFC is good for the article. Everyone who is involved in the article should leave a comment if they want to be heard in case it is found valid. AlbinoFerret 16:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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I hope you have a great time with family and friends and a happy new year. AlbinoFerret 20:04, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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(Posting this on User:Rui Gabriel Correia, User:BlueRasberry, User:SPACKlick)'s pages) Hi! I hope it's okay to ask for your help on Big Data, since you've been involved in the current discussion. Frankly, I feel that while User:Jugdev is most likely acting in good faith, he is engaged in disruptive editing. I think we're locked in a pattern: If I revert the page during the US day (and explain why), he'll revert it again in the middle of the US night (and post a message saying "I already explained that my change is in keeping with WP style and it comes from a highly respected source"). (example, example, example) Honestly, I think our only play--assuming he hasn't already crossed the line to disruptive editing--is to take turns reverting changes. If it's always "Narsil reverts, Jugdev unreverts, Narsil ununreverts", then we're both edit-warring. If several WP editors revert his changes and he's always unreverting, I think we have a clear case that he's being disruptive. Apologies for bothering you! If you'd rather not be involved any further I totally understand. (P.S. I see he's already been blocked once, recently, for edit warring. I'll ask User:Kuru--who imposed the block--whether he's reached that point again.) Narsil (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

It appears that Catflap08 is in parallel pursuing a thread at WP:ANI accusing editor Hoary of threats at the same time as asking for help at WP:DRN. As a relatively new (but busy) volunteer at WP:DRN, I am not sure whether that is permitted or appropriate, although I think that it is inappropriate. You may want to tell the editors again to comment on content, not contributors, or might even consider failing the mediation. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello SPACKlick! I just wanted to check why you undid my edit on cunt: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Cunt&oldid=649817267&diff=prev. I made an entry for the text, the Proverbs of Hendyng, which contains an early attestation of cunt and which is mentioned in that entry. Cunt previously linked to a similar but different text, the Proverbs of Alfred. I'm not sure why you reverted my edit so if you could let me know, that would be helpful! Alarichall (talk) 10:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@Alarichall: short version is because I'm an idiot. Long version I misread who'd added what. I thought, for some reason, the new edit had added the Alfred easter egg link. I've undone it now. SPACKlick (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 10:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I have asked for some clarification at WP:NPOVN#Gospel of Matthew: 50 CE. - Ret.Prof (talk) 02:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, it's back at the right place, for now. Sorry about that ... I didn't intend the page to be gone for that long! I will do another move on it soon to complete the history merge. Graham87 12:50, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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You made more than three reverts at the e-cigs page. QuackGuru (talk) 05:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I think this may have been a compromise to use it once instead of twice. QuackGuru (talk) 05:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I made two reverts to different undiscussed additions and left the page for a whie, no need to comment to me just because your ownership is being challenged. SPACKlick (talk) 07:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=655461925&oldid=655457035 My edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656291797&oldid=656291338 Revert one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656298163&oldid=656298112 My edit.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656305106&oldid=656303862 My edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656306218&oldid=656305106 Revert three.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656311733&oldid=656311581 My edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656311834&oldid=656311733 Revert four.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656362329&oldid=656345708 My edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=next&oldid=656362329 Revert five.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=prev&oldid=656384228 My edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Electronic_cigarette&diff=656384442&oldid=656384228 Revert six. QuackGuru (talk) 07:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Sounds cool, my overall listing is for topic structure rathern than grammar and wording within topics, if yu can neaten som eof the language and writing up then I can patch it into the revised structure at a later date, if I can ever finish the structure. It's soul destroying reading Quack's gibberish. SPACKlick (talk) 19:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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@Bishonen: First this ought to be on the talk page of the article rather than my talk page however. I have read the full article and several others. Permit, Allow, and all other words relating to regulation have a significantly different meaning that accept. Accept relates to understanding. Different words mean different things, the words used in the article don't mean the same as the words used in the source. I don't know how else to say it.

Second, I didn't edit war. I removed content which failed verification, the onus is then on the user adding content to show that it is verifiable in a reliable source. That has not been achieved. I reverted once yesterday after giving QG time to fix it, he did a non-fix, I reverted once today. SPACKlick (talk) 08:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, you really do think that failed verification? Then please do take it to article talk, rather than merely using those less-than-explanatory edit summaries. Tell the editors of the page about the difference between accept and permit and see if you get agreement for removing the text on that score. You have reverted twice, for a highly technical reason, and then you tell me I ought to take it to talk? No. I have no intention of editing the article. I'm warning you as an uninvolved admin. Your page is the place for that. Bishonen | talk 09:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC).

@Bishonen: If you look on the talk page you'll see it's ALREADY under discussion. It was under discussion BEFORE I reverted it. The editor who "Boldly" added it before I discussed it and then reverted it, re-added it without explanation or truly engaging in the discussion. He added it by the way along with 17K of edits which were prepared without discussion during the pages protection on his Sanbox (note the missing d so it's not easy to find) without ever mentioning it to any other editor. I note you're not warning Quack for re-adding without reaching consensus through discussion.

And drop the sarcasm Oh, you really do think that failed verification? Of course I think it failed verification, which is why I've said at all stages that it failed verification.

Second I ask you to remove any implication that I have been warned for behaviour in an admin capacity where I haven't even come close to crossing a line. Also, if you're warning someone as uninvolved and admin might be worth using the words warning and admin rather than just looking like some user who's decided to come to my talk page and comment on a valid edit of unsourced material without reading the discussion on the talk page.

Really starting to remember why I was fucking done editing that mess of an article.SPACKlick (talk) 09:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I looked for a discussion of the wording in the article as compared to the sourcing when I was writing up my note to you after I noticed this edit, and didn't find it. For domestic reasons, I had to wait a few hours to post, and I now see you added some discussion not long after your edit. Sorry about that, bad timing on my part.

I would hope you'd take the advice of experienced editors (="some user who's decided to come to my talk page") seriously whether they're admins or not. As for mentioning my admin status, I see on your page that you'd like to be an admin some day. If that happens, you'll discover that admins are always either reproached for not saying they're admin, or, if they do mention it, accused of throwing their admin weight around. There's no pleasing people in that regard, which is one of the delights of the job. My warning stands, you know. Also, while users are traditionally given more leeway on their own pages, it really would be better for all concerned if you avoided this kind of throwaway attack in all public places. If you must talk like that, take it to e-mail. Bishonen | talk 10:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC).

That's not an attack. That's a discussion of content. The wording of the edit's that Quack has made is barely English and I will not refrain from saying so unless consensus is formed that Quack's prose is fluent, at which point I will bow to consensus. I'll never say that kind of thing behind someone's back because I'd rather keep my thoughts in the open so they can be modified by the actions of others and so nobody is lied to.

I'll happily take the advice of experienced editors, but with no prior knowledge of your experience I opened with a response that a discussion about whether a revert of content was justified would likely be more productive on the talk page where as it happened discussion was already happening and then I explained in the venue of your choosing why I reverted the addition of unsourced POV material.

In short, I think your warning is bullshit, completely against BRD and in identical circumstances there is every chance I would revert twice in two days again, ESPECIALLY if the editor involved has the same history of lack of comprehension that I have found with QuackGuru. This is the kind of thing reverts are for. When an editor reads "red car's are not obligatory in Peru" and adds "Red cars are banned in peru" there is no edit for that, there is no statement worth having on the wikipedia from that source so you revert and on the talk page say "the source doesn't say it's banned it say's it's not obligatory" and the editor adding the nonsense has to justify it's inclusion. Quack justified NOTHING and was left to revert in peace. I reverted the addition of unsourced bullshit and got warned. It's fucking ridiculous.

I'm steaming fucking mad right now so I'm walking away from any e-cig editing until I've calmed down. Especially as I've just twigged it was you who said you'd ban Levelledout for reverting Quack for doing EXACTLY what admins told him not to do. Why is Quack untouchable when he's been one of the main causes of issue in the article? Paid editors never got anything in that shouldn't have been there for more than a few hours. Advocates have never slanted the page into too pro e-cig a stance. Information about risks has never been removed for more than 24 hours. Thanks to the work of Med Editors like Doc James, editors who can check their POV like KDP and unbiased editors like S Marshall but the page is a barely readable disjointed mess because of the way Quack writes, bulk edits, ignores context & flow and takes ownership. It's just bullshit, bullshit being supported by admins.SPACKlick (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

"It's soul destroying reading Quack's gibberish" is a discussion of content? OK, I'm done for now. Bishonen | talk 11:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC).

Yes, to call the content of an article so badly written that it's impossible to read through in one go is a discussion of content. You'll notice several other editors making similar comments on the articles talk page if you care to read it.

• I don't really have words for what Quack did, but it's a mess. I'm going to remove a few contradictions, but the text needs cleaned up. Again. I wish he'd leave the writing to others because he's shit at it. FergusM1970
• The way the article is written right now is atrocious. Much of it is rambling, meandering, ungrammatical and has appalling syntax. It urgently needs to be made concise and readable....For example this mess: same author
• in response to QG saying something was too wordy That's somewhat ironic coming from you, QG! Johnbod
• I think the actual problem we have here is methodological....It leads to paragraphs that are at once choppily-phrased and convoluted in meaning. S. Marshall
• Yeah, much of the article is unreadable, worse than typical label fine print. Tsavage
• this endless medical and legislative rambling that we have right now TheNorlo
• The Quack is coming and will probably quack every thing up. TheNorlo
• the intro of this article is now ridiculously long and littered with crap
• I find it very disjointed and hard to read as it stands.

and many many more. It's an issue of concern with the contents of the article. Is it phrased somewhat cheaply? Sure but Quack has been told time and time again that he needs to work on the phrasing and positioning of his edits and refuses to listen. He doesn't get kid gloves because he's shown a lack of WP:CompetenceSPACKlick (talk) 11:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Yep, it was a real boon getting on the feeback request service although it does tend to fill the talk page a little. I get 1 a day and respond to about 20% but you can set it to any pace you want. SPACKlick (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: did you notice the </humour> tag? Added to imply the previous was a joke? SPACKlick (talk) 07:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Saw it, but not sure what you mean. I was referring to the post by the Islamic calendar IP. --NeilN 13:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: Sorry, completely miscontrued you there, didn't see the comment from the IP and so will have a more detailed look. SPACKlick (talk) 14:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

And you're leaving an unsigned template on my talkpage why? I have never edited that article, or at least not in the last five months. --B (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@B: Apologies for the unsigned, I was under the impression GS messages were meant to be left unsigned. As for editing the page my scan showed you as editing the talk page for Electronic cigarette on the 8 of April. I see now that it was just removing a use of the bat symbol logo. SPACKlick (talk) 11:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Please sign them. Doc James (talk • contribs • email) 12:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Images used under a claim of fair use outside of the article namespace are not permitted and are to be removed anywhere they are found. I have a list at User:B/Fair use images used outside of mainspace that I am using that shows the offending uses. I have no opinion on the any dispute that may exist about the electronic cigarettes article. I would humbly suggest, though, that if this article is under probation (well, for that matter, even if it isn't), you may wish to not use edit summaries like as they could be considered incivil. --B (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Haven't even been in there in a week and as far as I know all of my edits were welcome. This is isn't a good way to attract the copy editors you all seem to agree that you need. Elinruby (talk) 23:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Elinruby:As the notice says, the warning doesn't imply any kind of misbehaviour on your part it is to let you know that administrators have extra powers to sanction behaviour at those articles. Users editing in that space should receive the warning to be aware of te extra scrutiny. SPACKlick (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

er... pretty sure that's on the page somewhere Elinruby (talk) 10:01, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@Elinruby: It's not my system, it's just how general sanctions work. As I said it isn't there to imply impropriety in your editing it's just a notice for your awareness. SPACKlick (talk) 11:19, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@SPACKlick: erm but why did you feel moved to send it to me is what I am wondering? I see that you also sent it to a lot of other people, I do get that, But do we not already know? I'm confused. Presumably you have issues with someone's behaviour, I take it. But that's been going on for a while too. Why now? Elinruby (talk) 11:24, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@Elinruby: Sanctions came into effect April 1 and I noticed a fair few editrs hadn;t been notified so I took a dump of everyone who edited since April 1st and notified them if they weren't on the already notified list. You pinged as edting 18 times on the main page and talk for the main page on April 4 and 5. SPACKlick (talk) 11:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@SPACKlick: yes, all copy edits that nobody had any issues with as far as I can tell. Lots of use of the talk page. Everybody agrees the page needs editing. Quackdoc is pretty defensive though. Already on the verge of saying life was too short before I got warned, sheesh, people skills man, people skills.

@Elinruby: Well I apologise if it's offended you or put you off but it's a standard piece of wiki bureaucracy to inform editors editing on pages where general sanctions apply with the standard template. s you can see from the sanctions page, every editor, whether there are behaviour issues or not is informed of the sanctions. The template is for information, not for warning or sanction and says so clearly. SPACKlick (talk) 13:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@SPACKlick: it's not so much offensive as offputting. The article is already annoying. I could care less about the topic. Have fun with QuackDoc or whatever his nsme is Elinruby (talk) 13:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I'd decided for a long time not to, because I was sick of dealing with accusations of POV. I figured I've now fired enough incivility into the fire that If I get whacked with POV I've earned by block for other things. I can't imagine my effort to deal with the page will last long once Quack gets back though. SPACKlick (talk) 16:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Keep improving the article and welcome the "unavoidable" coming block to display it on your user page under "Awards and honors". It'll actually would mean something unlike those proudly displayed barnstars ;) Cheers,--TMCk (talk) 17:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

And sure it didn't last long. I'm sure Bishonen will take appropriate measures once they're aware of it.--TMCk (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Text was accidentally deleted and a lot of text was not duplication of other sources. So the reasons for deleting a lot of the text is debatable. The 2014 review was not unreliable or dated. I reviewed the changed and made improvements and follow up edits such as this edit. QuackGuru (talk) 05:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Not for future editors, certainly Quack made changes. Very little of what Quack did can be reasonably called improvements. SPACKlick (talk) 09:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

here to here at WP:AN. Zad68 13:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I think 3RRNB is the appropriate venue and I'm happy to do the move myself. Just to get this over with SPACKlick (talk) 13:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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