Misplaced Pages

Mongo's Page

Thanks man. I still have some "Wiki-itis" or whatever from February, but i'll keep on dipping my toes in the pool, i'm glad to see you as well. Karmafist 17:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Castes and Tribes of the Punjab

Dear Sir, since you are one of the most respected Indian administrators on Misplaced Pages, I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days.

The facts of the matter are like this:

I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province (I am a Punjabi) is.

I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.

The final categories were:

1. Brahmin groups.
2. Dalit groups.
3. Jat clans.
4. Khatris and other groups.
5. Rajput clans.
6. Shaikhs and other groups.
7. Tarkhans and other groups.
8. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status).

In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".

Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.

My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:

1. The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups.
2. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are.
3. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim.
4. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste.

Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.

However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree.

I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.

This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter. And I am sure neither does the other party.

Therefore, I urge you to have a look at the whole matter. Whatever is you opinion would be agreeable to me.

Regards. Rajatjghai 02:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This is an "SOS". I have just finished another "bout" of a revert war with Satbir Singh. Please answer this post as soon as you can. Rajatjghai 03:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I have, as of now, protected the page to prevent this major revert war. Please discuss changes and reach consensus on the template's talk page.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 04:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I will come back after studying the matter. Regards. --Bhadani 15:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not able to form any opinion as of now. --Bhadani 08:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ancient India

your behaviour is becoming disruptive now; before you do more moves and copy-paste-moves, argue your position on talk and seek consensus. I see no reason to have an Ancient India article separate from Kingdoms of Ancient India, and I have explained my reasons in detail. If you are unhappy about this, present your arguments, or ask for peer review, but do not just move stuff around out of spite. dab (ᛏ) 18:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I do believe that no amount of consensus can change a truth. I feel that you do not desire to have a separate page for Ancient India for extraneous reasons. I would, therefore, put up the page for deletion after restoring the contents removed by you. However, I shall support for Keep. In case, you find me disruptive, your behavior is equally disruptive and disturbing too. I request your cooperation to resolve the issue. --Bhadani 05:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Other comments: - - - --Bhadani 06:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hi Mr.Bhadani I have been with the wiki for nearly 6 months now and apart from a few irritants-being blocked because of someone having the same ISP address-found it most informative.

An idea just occured to me and I should value your opinion as a senior here at the Wiki.I have made enquiries and it appears that in order to make a valid nomination for Nobel Peace Prize,one has to be either a professor of history or a professor of literature or a previous laureate.I believe that Misplaced Pages has brought the world together like no other project-knowledge based pooling of ideas to bring the world closer.After the Nobels for this year are announced,they would be soliciting nominations for next year-and I belive we should try and get Jim Wales nominated.I have already spoken to a Fellow of Royal Historical Society and he would be ready to nominate but I should appreciate your view.I also noticed that Misplaced Pages came for high praise from two Nobel Laureates on the BBC programme Nobel Minds-viz.Barry Marshall and Roy Glauber.You may write to me on my email address if you wish-venkatradhakrishnan2000@yahoo.com.au

Regards Venkat(Vr 06:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC))

It is really nice to listen from you, after a long long gap. I do appreciate your views. I shall be sending you an e-mail. I also regret that I could not do anything as regards creation of the stubs as suggested by you. Still, I do hope to create few stubs based on your feedback. Regards abd all the best. --Bhadani 06:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Let us set the ball rolling for Noble Peace Prize for the President of Wikimedia Foundation.

• Noble Peace Prize
• Qualified Nominators – Peace
• Eligibility

--Bhadani 12:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It will be great if we can get that to happen. What do you think should be our strategy? — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. --Bhadani 13:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Mr.Bhadani

I already have got the assnt of a qualified nominator-a Fellow of teh Royal Historical Society.You would note that active legislators can nominate as well but given my deep rooted antipathy for the tribe of politicians,I would prefer to keep them away from the process.The nominations would not be accepted unttil this years prize is announced-late Se.So we still have time.But I would appreciate comments and suggestions and only then would I ask my qualified nominator.Cheers(Vr 05:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

Hello Mr.Bhadani

Thanks for your note.I look forward to hearing from you.It may also be interesting to have some othe Wikipedians comment on the subject.I also think it may be intersting to get a transcript of the Nobel minds programme on the BBC where Marshall and Glauber were fulsome in their praise of the Misplaced Pages.But shall await guidace from all of you.Regards(Vr 05:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC))

More on this. --Bhadani 14:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Misza13's pile!

Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 0x0104/0x01/0x00. I'm happy that so many people have put faith in my abilities as an admin and promise to use the tools wisely and do my best not to let you down. If I ever may be of assistance, just leave a note on my talk page. Misza13, the rouge-on-demand admin wishes you happy editing! NOTE: This message has been encrypted with the sophisticated ROT-26 algorithm. Ability to decipher it indicates a properly functioning optical sensor array.

Wiki-Birthday

Thank you to all who wished me a happy wikibirthday! It did not go unappreciated! --D-Day 09:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Already active

I am already active in Misplaced Pages. --Wikindian 17:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Birthday

Thanks for the kindness. Redwolf24 (talk) 09:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit count

Your guess on your user page was pretty good! Here are the stats. —Mets501 (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Username		Bhadani
Total edits		35351
Distinct pages edited	18618
Average edits/page	1.899
First edit		10:38, March 24, 2005
(main)		15502
Talk		11588
User		741
User talk	5875
Image		133
Image talk	9
Template	60
Template talk	12
Category	40
Category talk	26
Misplaced Pages	1105
Misplaced Pages talk	255
Portal		3
Portal talk	2

Regarding Fscked Article on Manu Smriti

I'm reading the following book that I got from the library at UT Austin:

"Manu Smriti: A Sociological Analysis" --Deepali Bhargava

Rawat Publications, Jaipur

I'll clean up this article once I'm done (will take a couple of weeks).Netaji 01:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

My reply. --Bhadani 15:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: goad

Reply. --Bhadani 15:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

• Reference

Wow!! Thanks so much for the barnstar!!! —Mets501 (talk) 15:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see

Dear Bhadaniji, your views would be appreciated: User:Samir (The Scope)/Ambuj RFA. Thanks. -- Samir धर्म 07:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch

...for your kind note regarding my admin promotion anniversary, dear Bhadani. :) Cheers, Sango123 23:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Bhadaniji. It has been quite some time since I have visited your talk page. Hope all is well. Please take a look at this and take whatever action is necessary as there doesn't seem to be any admin at the moment responding to the situation. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

My response. --Bhadani 14:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the ice-cream. But I think there is some misunderstanding. I was not talking about the Ozu ken@yahoo.com comment but the one I posted regarding User:Babuba which is more serious than this one. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Srikeit has just banned the user. Thanks for taking the time anyways. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Srikeit is faster! --Bhadani 14:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Blocking of Babuba

Hi Bhadani, Warmest Greetings !

How are you ?

Well as you may know, I am here to ask you about the comment on Babuba's talk page, that you made. Why did you endorse the blocking ? And what did you mean when you said that "I know the meaning of both the names" and secondly, "the way this user has used this account." Kindly let me know. And by the way, Babub is known to make casteist remarks.

Anyways, bye for now. And have a really nice time.

--Anti-Casteism Activist 14:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please do not create accounts for such purpose. It is wastage of resources of wikipedia. Please continue with useful work. --Bhadani 15:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Shoutings shall not affect me. Please behave properly. --Bhadani 15:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Do not be foolish (Thethhar). --Bhadani 18:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Adaab

Thankyou for your message. I am busy these days but will be back soon. It was nice to hear from you. Siddiqui 00:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Unification of German

The material exists: it's in German Empire. It would mostly be a matter of refactoring. Any interest in taking it on? It would probably start with proposing this on Talk:German Empire, making sure that you get something like agreement on how much should remain at German Empire, etc. - Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the information. --Bhadani 11:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from Yanksox

Hey, Bhadani, thanks for supporting my RfA, with a tally of 104/4/7... I am now an admin!!! I was and still am very flattered by all the kind comments that I recieved, I will also take into account the comments about how I could improve. I guarantee I will try my best to further assist Misplaced Pages with the mop. Feel free to drop in and say hi or if you need anything. Again, thank you so much! Yanksox 07:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Congrats!. --Bhadani 11:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Pass this on! Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. --Bhadani 11:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Happy wiki-birthday

Thanks for the wiki-birthday wishes :) — FireFox _{11:43, 30 July '06}

Anup Sinha

Dear Bhandani,

You recently deleted one of my recent articles on Anup Sinha while it was still under construction. Could you please tell me what was wrong with the article?

Chessfanatic

It did not meet WP:BIO. --Bhadani 12:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Help with translations

I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with several Indian languages, including Hindi. Thanks, --Soman 12:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure - to the best of my abilities. --Bhadani 13:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

To celebrate our friendship!

Thank you for your beautiful birthday wishes, and all your kind words to me, my dear Bhadani! :) They meant the world to me, I swear. And thanks so much for your offer of acting as my secretary - how much do you charge? ;) Hugs! Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 13:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm hugs. --Bhadani 13:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for our kind words. See you around :) --→Talk 14:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Iam fine. Just got busy in some non wiki work. Hope you are doing fine too. I still do check my watchlist once in a day and manage a minor edit here and there. But I think wiki got too complicated and people more dispruptive lately.

I hope to get back to editing :) Jisha C J 18:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. More disruptive. But, true wikipedians shall fight back. --Bhadani 13:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, but it neither of those days today :) Tintin (talk) 07:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Wickethewok's RFA

Thanks for your support on my RFA. The final vote count was (61/9/3), so I am now an administrator. Feel free to let me know how I'm doing at any point in time or if you need anything. Once again, thank you. Wickethewok 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!--Bhadani 13:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Novels WikiProject Newsletter August 2006

Here is the new edition of our monthly newsletter. The August 2006 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 10:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Bhadani 13:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks!

Hi! Thanks for wishing me a happy first edit day! =) That was a spirit lifter for sure! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaberwocky6669 (talk • contribs) of 02.08.06

Request

Hello! TerriersFan (talk · contribs) made a request on my talk page to delete the old version of Image:Star Collection.jpg. Could you please help him/her out? Thanks! -- thunderboltz11:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Pointless edits

What's the point of such edits? You really have miles to go if you chose to add this to all the articles of WP. Please find something more useful to do. --Ghirla 15:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)