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Please comment on Talk:Acupuncture

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Creatine

Hi Alexbrn, could you give me more details about the reason why you reverted my changes in this article? - I am a relatively new contributor so I am not sure why you did that. I found quite a few reliable sources so in my oppinion that section should be added. Totocol (talk) 01:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there - yes, Misplaced Pages sets the bar very high for sourcing on matters of human health - see WP:MEDRS. A primary study and WebMD aren't really good enough for our purposes. WebMD is sometimes okay but not here in my view. If you want to discuss further please drop a note on the Creatine Talk page so everyone can join in! Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the primary study is good enough, and less than this is used as citation in millions of places on Misplaced Pages, where nobody removes it because it's fantastic and beneficial information for everybody else to work off of. Alex removed it because he has personal agendas and beliefs he loves to push on people to steer their potential for taking control of their own health care into the gutter.

Here's an experiment you can try: start an edit war with him and a bit of a flame war on his talk page, and then find that he will follow you to every single page you edit for the next few months, even where you just correct some punctuation, noticing he will then systematically destroy three quarters of a well written and useful article, while proving that it is justified with Misplaced Pages rules. 99.235.168.199 (talk) 11:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Genetically modified food

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Complaint about your edits at WP:AN3

Please see Misplaced Pages:AN3#User:Jytdog and User:Alexbrn reported by User:Anmccaff (Result: ). I think you are already aware, but this means anyone can clearly see you were notified. I have no opinion on the report and haven't looked into it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - yes, I was aware. Alexbrn (talk) 16:02, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Friendly request to stop edit warring

Your sourced material is inaccurate as proven via WP:V so please do not revert the properly cited information with the inaccurate information. If you feel your information is factually accurate, then provide the reasons at the TP. An RfC will then follow. Atsme 16:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

You have now repeatedly inserted your preferred version, so it is you who is edit warring - and edit warring in poor content too. After the amygdalin episode I wonder if you're being deliberately disruptive or if you really just lack clue. Alexbrn (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Your relentless and unwarranted hammering over the Griffin incident is tiresome and proves nothing. It's actually a form of harassment. I suppose it doesn't really matter since I can't be baited by such childish nonsense, especially considering the extent of disruption you've been involved in one way or another. Regarding the Kombucha article - extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources which is exactly what I provided. I'm somewhat surprised that you can't see the blatant factual inaccuracy of the cited book's claim in the lead. It is not supported by the source that was cited. Oh my, have I been giving you too much credit for knowing such things? There is clearly a pattern of rather disruptive behavior whenever you are involved in editing articles that are evenly remotely associated to CAM. It may seem exaggerated to me right now because of your battleground behavior and edit warring; I'm not sure. Curious - do you consider yourself a CAM-hater? --Atsme 17:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Please do not post on my talk page any more. Alexbrn (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Alecbrn is a real shit-disturber. 99.235.168.199 (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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Abuse of TW

It appears you abused the rollback feature when you reverted my GF edits.

ABUSE of TW Never forget that one takes full responsibility for any action performed using Twinkle. One must understand Misplaced Pages policies and use this tool within these policies or risk having one's account blocked. Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback, should not be used to undo good-faith changes unless an appropriate edit summary is used. Not good. Atsme 14:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

You have been asked not to post comments here. Do it again and I'll raise this at AN/I. Alexbrn (talk) 14:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

You cannot prevent me or any other editor from posting warnings to your TP. Atsme 14:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Official/required notices are exempted. However, "Abuse of TW" is something you made up. Alexbrn (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Medicinal Cannabis for Cancer Sub-section

"Still undue" does not make any sense as to why this section keeps getting reverted back to the original form. The information being added is in the link that has been used to cite the text that still remains. Please explain further the need to remove this section. ThoHug (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Alternative_cancer_treatments&oldid=prev&diff=667516403

Hi! Mentioning animal research is undue in an article summarizing substances' reasons for being classified as ineffective cancer cures (worse, it implies somehow the animal research has bearing on the effectiveness question). If you want to discuss further, please do so at the article Talk page. Alexbrn (talk) 13:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Defecation Postures

Hi Alex, could you give me more details about the reason why you removed a major part of this article? - I am a relatively new contributor so I am not sure why you did that. There was a lot of interesting information and now there is nothing. Furthermore, I added the references to useful articles all of which you dropped, which I don't understand. (From Misplaced Pages policy I get that a literature review is better than a primary source. However, when there are no literature review, than a primary source should be of course better than nothing?) HereAndThereNowAndThen (talk) 13:06, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! If there is no secondary coverage then it's unlikely the content they have has risen to the level of "accepted knowledge" which is what Misplaced Pages deals in. Happy to discuss further on the article's talk page ... Alexbrn (talk) 11:39, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Steve Jobs

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thank you

Dear alexbrn .., In the editing there are any book about water fasting and You delete books for Amazon about water fasting Can you but it again please FREEDOM77 (talk) 10:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! Misplaced Pages is not for hosting collections of commercial links to low-quality popular health books, but an encyclopedia. Such a list of links is inappropriate here. Alexbrn (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Dear alexbrn .., Thank you to help me ;) FREEDOM77 (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Kratom

Hi Alexbrn. Kratom doesn't appear to be listed on the DEA's current list of fact sheets. One can go to the current list by going to the Current DEA list of Fact Sheets. One can confirm this is the latest list by going to the current DEA website and clicking Drug Info/fact sheets. While not a reliable source, this link may be able to help shed light. I am sure this wouldn't be the first time a government agency didn't clean up its website once changes were made. Would you be willing to agree to language that states that Kratom is not listed on the current list of "Drugs of Concern," while noting that a fact sheet appears to have been issued in 2013 that contradicts the current DEA site? Let me know if you have a better idea on how we can address this confusion. Thank you. Journalist1983 (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

This is best continued at the article's Talk page, but in brief I want to ensure we mirror RS and don't make statements about what the DEA has done which might be only a misinterpretation of a web site SNAFU. Alexbrn (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

CFS

Hi, is there a reason why you posted this on my talk page only? That does't seem very constructive. Cheers, The Jolly Bard (talk) 18:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

It is what it says it is, a warning about edit warring. You've being doing a lot of reverts recently and are near or beyond 3RR (I didn't count closely). Edit warring risks getting you blocked. Take heed. Alexbrn (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Policy requires that, if you perceive editwarring, you must look at all sides. Please do so in the future. The Jolly Bard (talk) 19:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing Ramadan health section

Hi, I would like to thank you for your reviewing of that section, and also I would like to ask if this bit could be added there by the same standards :

There are some health issues involving Ramadan fasting. It has been suggested that although Ramadan fasting is safe for all healthy individuals, those with various diseases should consult their physicians and follow scientific recommendations. Fasting on Ramadan may cause a change in weight. One study concludes that the observers of Ramadan lose on average about a kilogram of weight over 4 weeks, and the lost weight is quickly regained.

1. Azizi, Fereidoun. "Islamic Fasting and Health". Annals of Nutrition and Metabolism. 54 (4). doi:10.1159/000295848. Retrieved 28 June 2015.
2. Hajek, Peter; Myers, Katie; Dhanji, Al-Rehan; West, Oliver; McRobbie, Hayden (November 13, 2011). "Weight change during and after Ramadan fasting". Oxford Journals: Journal of Public Health. 34 (3): 377–381. doi:10.1093/pubmed/fdr087. Retrieved 27 June 2015.

Darwinian Ape 20:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

This is better discussed on the article's Talk page; the first source is potentially okay, the second fails WP:MEDRS. Alexbrn (talk) 02:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, I added them since the section seemed a bit sad after your trimming. The cautionary tale, I guess, that the articles that are not about health should not make health claims.:) Sorry for bringing this to your talk page, feel free to move it into the article's talk page or remove it altogether. Thanks again, cheers! Darwinian Ape 02:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem, it's just it's better if we're discussing article content that all the article's editors get to see what we're saying. I've made some more edits. Alexbrn (talk) 02:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you! Be sure to eat it after the iftar.

For your helps in Ramadan article, a favorite dessert of Ramadan feasts Darwinian Ape 03:19, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

One of my favourites, thanks! Alexbrn (talk) 06:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Your templates on Racz

If you're going to challenge an article that has received a GA rating, and has also been through a DYK review, you need to be more specific about the sources you have an issue with, otherwise I will consider this hounding in light of our past interactions. Atsme 20:15, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

As has been said by others, that GA rating is a joke. In general, when arguing it's a good idea to pay heed to this. Alexbrn (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Vitamin D

Can we find a way to improve this section rather than just revert each other's edits! Jrfw51 (talk) 12:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

That pre-supposes it needs "improvement". Anyway, you're edit-warring poor content in now. I shall post on the article Talk page. Alexbrn (talk) 12:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I would appreciate hearing why these articles are poor content and if you could use the Talk page rather than Twinkle! Jrfw51 (talk) 12:37, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

You've been told before by others we don't use primary sources in that way - and in any case it's a good idea, when reverted, to discuss (maybe abiding by WP:BRD) rather than mashing the revert button again: that's edit warring. Alexbrn (talk) 12:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Having spent time picking a review and a high quality article to support my 12:12 edit, and giving a justification, your immediate reversion at 12:16 as I was expanding this on the Talk page seemed premature. But clearly you have much more expertise on Misplaced Pages editing and manners (if not on vitamin D) so I stand chastised. Jrfw51 (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for apologising and showing GF! Jrfw51 (talk) 18:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Wanderer of the Wasteland (1945 film)

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Stop edit warring at Gabor B. Racz

You have been warned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atsme (talk • contribs) 06:09, 11 July 2015‎

I am not. Please read WP:EW for a description of what edit-warring is. Alexbrn (talk) 06:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Racz is a BLP subject to DS as with all BLPs. You have done nothing but edit war. You have been reminded. Atsme 06:28, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

In fact the editor who is "repeatedly restoring his or her preferred version" is you, since you have now undone both mine and DGG's attempts to improve the early life section, reverting to "your" text (which also fails WP:V incidentally). Alexbrn (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

The reason some (not all) were restored is because the changes were not an improvement. What makes you think you can go in and change a GA per your POV? The reviewer stood by the initial assessment and the fact that you may not like how it is worded doesn't change that fact. If you want to make changes, get consensus on the TP first. As for DGG's attempts, he butchered the article by adding back mistakes, leaving gaps and spaces, changing the meaning of sentences, leaving out defining information, etc. so please don't try to make it appear as though his attempts were an improvement. I highly recommend that you focus on articles that actually do need improvement, like David Gorski. DGG provided a list for you to work from so you can make those improvements. Your work there would be far more productive than the disruption you're creating at Racz. I would be happy to collaborate on Gorski, but between the disruption you're causing at Racz and final preparations for my case at ARBCOM, I just don't have the time. Atsme 16:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, I've asked that you don't post to my Talk page (though emergencies are excepted). I don't see anything productive coming out of this exchange so it's probably best we stop here. Alexbrn (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

COI tags and COIN

Perhaps you would prefer to make the announcement at COIN regarding your edits to various articles where a COI is rather evident and allow a proper investigation to take place which should include your creation of the unassessed article, Information Technology Task Force, and edits at , and ISO/IEC_JTC_1, to name a few. I do find it rather ironic under the circumstances. To say you have nothing to do with ITTF when the article includes ISO/IEC 29500 Office Open XML File Formats in its publishing activities, and your COI declaration states "the Standardization of Office Open XML article, since I was a key participant in that controversial process" is, well, conflicting (and you mentioned a controversial process nonetheless). There's also your involvement with . It's a bit inconceivable to think you are still denying a COI and reverted the templates. Oh well, things always have a way of working out in the end. Atsme 18:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

You can't stay off my Talk page eh! I may have a COI with International Standards I've edited or presided over, or committees and panels I sit on (albeit on a voluntary basis, so some people might say meh anyway). But ITTF is an adminstrative group in Geneva I have no connection with. Please feel free to raise this at WP:COIN if necessary. Alexbrn (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

No, they don't say "meh" anyway. You might want to see what a COIN investigation colonoscopy looks like for volunteers using my case as a reference. Anyway, I'll stay off your page and if you will please, show me the same courtesy and stay off mine. Atsme 19:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind conflicts of interest enquiries. As has been said, having conflicts of interest shows one's doing something in life! The problem on WP comes from editors editing who are afflicted by a conflict of interest (and yes, in my early editing I was a sinner - so I know what it looks like). But at least let COIs be accurately assigned: ITTF is rather above my pay grade. Alexbrn (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Abuse of COIN

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WP:TALK#FACTS

A lot of material on this page, gathered by several users around the world, in now missing, deleted by you.

You've also inserted a lot of incorrect information about the symbols used in the name of Reiki, as identified in my edits which you removed.

I think you're abusing Misplaced Pages here, on this page, as you are erasing information by users which conflicts with your agenda about how Reiki is perceived, that is, that you believe it is not effective and are concerned that vulnerable people with illnesses may be abused by Reiki practitioners who purport it to be a cure for their illness.

I think you've gone off topic on this page - there is space for "debunking" on this page, but it would be against the wikipedia philosophy for it to ALL be that. I think you need to allow some other editors onto this page, relax your grip a bit. I know that might be a bit confronting to read, but I just want the knowledge that I have about Reiki to be shared with the world rather than being deleted by someone who shows fear of the practice.

I'm new to Wiki but I'm a published academic. I understand a lot of information about Reiki is hearsay, that's why a Reiki wikipedia page is important, it gathers and balances knowledge from practitioners of the last generation so as to get concensus about divergence and variation. It can also function as a way for the public to get some basic information about the practice. Please share the Reiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrishApps (talk • contribs) 08:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! I don't believe I've added any material on "symbols" to the Reiki article. Material added must be well-sourced and verifiable (see WP:RS and WP:V). Please continue any further discussion about the article content at the article's Talk page. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined

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Graphology July 2015

I really dont know, what your problem is. I search for new studies and insert them on wikipedia, new metaanalysis that graphology does not correlate with personality questionnaire. You do not read it but always delete it. This is edit war.

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Err, it's you who is reverting reversions! You removed good material and inserted poorly-sourced claims e.g. that graphology can "predict cancer". Happy to discuss further on the article's Talk page; please do not keep simply reinserting your favoured material. Alexbrn (talk) 10:23, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Read the reference before you delete anything. My references are recent research articles in psychological peer-reviewed journals! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wicky media (talk • contribs) 11:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Peer reviewed is not enough. For health information we need WP:MEDRS and for this topic WP:NPOV (and particularly WP:FRINGE) are also in play. Please continue any discussions on the articles' Talk pages. Furthermore, the graphology content at Projective test should be in WP:SYNC with the lede of Graphology. Alexbrn (talk) 11:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Tartrazine July 2015

Please visit the talk page of "Tartrazine" to resolve this issue. Sunpoint (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Sunpoint: Hi! I have commented there. Alexbrn (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

COI NOTICE

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Would you please let me know if you or an entity that compensates you have any relationship with companies that sell behavioral, neurological or sleep related products or services, or organizations (ie, Public Citizen) that have a documented interest in Cranial electrotherapy stimulation‎?

Since you work for Griffin Brown, a firm which may be hired to influence and edit Misplaced Pages pages (among other services), please identify any clients of Griffin Brown that operate in the behavioral health, neurological, or sleep industries, as well as any clients which have a documented interest in Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation, such as Public Citizen.

I've noticed coordinated activity on both the Cranial electrotherapy stimulation‎ pages and Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) dating back to 2013 that are inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's policies on neutrality. It seems as if the standards of reliability for medical sources have been altered, at least partially, for the purpose of undermining the integrity of the CES page over the past two years. What is particularly concerning is that there seems to be a coordinated effort on the part of you, Doc James, Jytdog, and SandyGeorgia, among others, in facilitating this.

Please reply at your earliest convenience. I will be monitoring this page closely. ColumbiaLion212 (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC)