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SPACKlick's section
I'm slightly lost on this case and some real life disruption has gotten in the way of serious contribution. I think I'm seeing some balanced solutions that would help with both the advocacy concerns and the weighting issues, where is the appropriate venue to pose solutions arbcom could enforce? SPACKlick (talk) 10:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Proposed solutions go on the workshop page under the "Remedies" subheader in any editor's section. -- Euryalus (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
EllenCT's section
"confirming that a picture is not Muhammad"?!?
Almost a year ago I stopped editing the article, but I've occasionally participated on the talk page up until about half a year ago. I just today learned about this case, and stopped by to say I endorse Bluerasberry's initial statement saying that editing should generally be allowed to continue as it has been without topic bans, because from what I saw there was quite a bit of actual progress on improving the articles even when people were bickering. I have a feeling Britannica editors used to bicker behind the scenes too.
But anyway, then I saw stuff like "confirming that a picture is not Muhammad" from an IP here on the Workshop, and I don't know what to think. EllenCT (talk) 21:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected workshop page
Clerk note: The workshop page of this case is now semi-protected due to persistent disruption of the workshop and evidence pages of this case. Non-autoconfirmed users who have workshop proposals may send them by email to the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
92.31.93.163's section
Off-topic. This case concerns editor conduct in e-cigs articles, not the conduct of parties in unrelated topic areas. Furthermore, comparing a party to someone defrauding elderly people out of their homes is not appropriate decorum for ArbCom. Please keep discussion on topic and avoid the rhetorical flourishes, please. Lankiveil 12:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC) |
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This unfortunate situation has arisen because the evidence upon which the workshop proposals are based has been removed. However, it can still be viewed. The preliminary statement is at . The evidence statement is at . Per Liz, the requested supplementary information follows. Point 1This is covered in the preliminary statement ("PS") in the portion beginning "He misrepresents other editors" and ending "15:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)". Point 2This is covered in the evidence statement ("ES") in the portion beginning "he makes the dangerous assertion" and ending "(14:07, 2 April)." Point 3This is covered in the ES in the portion beginning "He says (14:21, 30 March)" and ending "Muhammad prohibiting intercalation." It is further covered in the following exchange: - SPACKlick 11:04, 2 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 13:59, 2 April 2015. - SPACKlick 14:07, 2 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 15:44, 2 April 2015. Points 4 and 5These can be taken together. SPACKlick believes that a picture of an apple can be an illustration of an orange: - SPACKlick 15:23, 10 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 - 12:05, 14 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 12:26, 14 April 2015. Then the argument becomes incomprehensible: - SPACKlick 12:24, 15 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 12:33, 15 April 2015. – SPACKlick 12:40, 15 April 2015. Points 6 and 7These can be taken together. They are covered in the ES in the portion beginning "An editor comments" and ending "removed him from her watchlist." Point 8Here is a list of the edits adding the picture to Islamic calendar by AstroLynx (A), CambridgeBayWeather (C), NeilN (N) and SPACKlick (S). Where a sourced image caption is removed and replaced by an unsourced image caption the entry is in bold. Although the picture was used from February 2008 the claim that it was Muhammad prohibiting intercalation was not added until April 2009. 2008 - April 17A, June 9A, November 12 (Euryalus - possible conflict of interest here). 2009 - July 20A, Oct. 30N, Dec. 7A, Dec. 18N. 2010 - Mar. 22N, Apr. 4N, Apr. 14A, Apr. 21N, Apr. 24N, May 21N, June 14A, Aug. 14A, Aug. 15 (Doug Weller, who not only added the picture but also semi - protected the page - possible conflict of interest here), Nov. 16A, Dec. 13A. 2011 - Jan. 25A, Apr. 24N, May 1N, May 13N, May 27N, June 19C, June 30A (2 reversions), July 25C, July 27A, July 28A, Aug. 25A, Aug. 29C, Sept. 5A, Sept. 9A (3 reversions). AstroLynx couldn't revert any more because of 3RR so it was left to CambridgeBayWeather to do the fourth reversion on 11 Sept. Oct. 11A, Oct. 14A (2 reversions), Oct. 15C, Oct. 17A, Oct. 18A (2 reversions), Oct. 31A, Dec. 9A. 2012 - Jan. 9A, Jan. 23A, Jan. 25C, Mar. 12A, July 9N. On 10 July Wiqi55 amended the caption under edit summary most commonly accepted theory does not link it to intercalation. NeilN reverted the same day. July 24A, Aug. 20A, Sept. 12A, Sept. 17C, Oct. 19A, Oct. 30A, Nov. 12A, Nov. 17C, Nov. 24C, Nov. 30A, Dec. 17A. 2013 - Jan. 5C, Jan. 22A, Feb. 3C, Mar. 4C, Apr. 28C, May 2C, May 28C, Nov. 9N (2 reversions). 2014 - Jan. 11N, Mar. 6C, Mar. 17N, July 28A, Aug. 20N, Sept. 26N, Oct. 15N, Oct. 15A, Oct. 15N, Oct. 24N, Nov. 19N. 2015 - Jan. 21N, Mar. 22A, Mar. 23A, Mar. 23N, Mar. 23N (describing the addition of sources as "pointy"). On 24 March CambridgeBayWeather semi - protected the page. Apr. 9N, Apr. 9S, Apr. 13A, Apr. 13S, July 16A (2 reverts). Point 9The warning was delivered by 87.81.147.76 at 18:10, 12 April 2015 and repeated at 10:47, 13 April. SPACKlick acknowledged at 18:12, 12 April. The cover - upAstroLynx claimed (Talk:Islamic calendar 15:09, 31 January 2015) that the Farewell Sermon was unique among Muhammad's homilies in that nobody knows how and where it was delivered. This lie was exposed by 86.145.48.124 at 10:29, 23 July. The post was removed four minutes later by Future Perfect at Sunrise, who went on to block half a million people for Long - term abuse although no LTA report has been filed. Nineteen minutes later Mr. Stradivarius semi - protected the page. Both the article and the talk page remain semi - protected. Third party observationThere seems to be a polarisation into two camps - QuackGuru and his supporters and SPACKlick and his supporters. It's not difficult to see which camp S Marshall falls into. SPACKlick's camp don't want his dirty linen to be washed in public but that would appear to be unfair to QuackGuru. I'm impressed by the industrious way Quack works, and I think sanctioning him would be a mistake. Within the past few days we've had the 2015 ASH survey and the government report saying e - cigarettes are 95% less harmful than combustible ones. We need Quack on hand at this time. Addendum to proposed finding of fact10. SPACKlick is not here to build an encyclopaedia in a collegial manner. He is here to trick other editors into saying they agree with him. He behaves like the confidence trickster who posed as a delivery man to get an elderly householder to sign a "receipt" which was actually a folded over Land Registry transfer document. Supplementary information: - SPACKlick 15:38, 13 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 16:56, 13 April 2015. - SPACKlick 18:11, 13 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 18:48, 13 April 2015. - SPACKlick 18:51, 13 April 2015. - 87.81.147.76 19:04, 13 April 2015. - SPACKlick 19:07, 13 April 2015. |
S Marshall
Irrelevant material
Can the irrelevant material from SPACKlick's fan club be removed please? It's got nothing to do with electronic cigarettes. The page should also be semi-protected.—S Marshall T/C 16:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Timetable
I would like to ask if we can extend the deadline for sitting arbs but not for case parties or onlookers. With the evidence phase, about half the evidence by wordcount was submitted in the last few hours, which I found frustrating ---- my experience was that others had the chance to respond to me, but I had no chance to respond to them. It also mildly screwed up the material I had prepared for the workshop phase. (Somewhere in all that mass of text, someone did produce a relevant diff from after the discretionary sanctions were enacted, but I missed this diff in my anxiousness to get my workshop material onto the table with plenty of discussion time in hand. I've had to partly retract one of my proposals as a result.)
So for this phase, I would be grateful for some discussion time after the other participants have made their submissions, and an extra week works well for me.—S Marshall T/C 15:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Workshop timetable
Subject to other drafter's views, I'd like to post some PD options in the workshop and collect opinions on them. However this would take a few days to put together.
How does everyone feel about keeping the workshop open an extra week? -- Euryalus (talk) 12:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Levelledout
Workshop timetable
Personally I am a bit confused by this part of the process and would welcome extra time to be able to comment and possibly actively contribute.Levelledout (talk) 17:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)