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SEFA

Please append to User talk:Anthony Appleyard what you think is wrong with the page SEFA, instead of merely a partial attempt at recommending it for deletion and not finishing the process. This sort of breathing set DOES exist, and I have seen them. If the initials SEFA are also the name of something else, please put in a disambig link to the other meaning. Anthony Appleyard 13:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

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I have de-speedied Michael Klein. If the guy played 90 times for Romania, he's a top-level soccer player. Not only is that an assertion of notability, it's probably good enough notability for the article to end up being kept. Just letting you know.

Again, welcome!  Mangojuice 18:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

V.F.D. Codes

Why did you think this was a hoax? Although I wasn't done with the article, it was pretty clear that it was part of the WikiProject for the Series of Unfortunate Events. Have you ever read the books? Or seen the movie? Or seen a commercial for the movie? (Clamster5 19:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

Trunk Space

Please refer to Talk:Trunk_Space. PT 19:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Charisma

I changed the refs for Castro finding a couple of academic pieces which link Castro directly to Weber's Charisma concept. Hope you don't mind. Thanks for bringing that up.--Zleitzen 03:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Sandboxage

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Blocked

I have blocked you for twenty-four hours per my findings at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Listerin. On the conclusion of the block please feel welcome to edit constructively within the confines of a single account. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If you aren't going to give a reason why we should consider unblocking you early, I'll assume you are adding the unblock tag to be annoying and just protect this page. --pgk 21:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not giving a reason because I don't know how to. Somewhere it said put {{unblock}} on your talk page so I could contact the administer. But I don't know how to give a reason. Please explain the process to me.

Just write the reason here like you have that text. --pgk 21:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
When you say here, you mean right here? The problem is that I am not understanding what is happening. Maybe I am over my head. I was editing (I thought) in the April 2006 wikify backlog list when I was blocked for being disruptive. I have tried to give good edit summaries to explain everything that I do. I guess this was not enough. I don't know what to explain. That is all I know to say because I'm not understanding.
Your block was because of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Listerin, where it has been checked and found that you are using multiple accounts . Although using multiple accounts is not against the rules using them to for things like voting in the same disussions and make your opinion seem better supported than it acutally is, is against the rules. --pgk 22:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not using multiple accounts. I was upset because of all the attacks and nastiness I was receiving and the rfc that we did on the user who was doing it is still open and he was never blocked, though the Fidel Castro talk page is still a mess because of him. I did start a new account because I realized that having a name that sounded female was targeting me for attacks. But then I forgot the password to that account and hadn't put an email address in so I couldn't get it back. So I asked to have my old account changed over to a new non-female name with the password I knew. Plus I wanted credit for all the edits I had done. I've been trying to work hard on Misplaced Pages to build up a good edit history. But if this is the result, then O.K., I accept it. I wanted to think I was accomplishing something and some acknowledgment for working hard on edits but I realize, realistically, that's not the way it works. I'll miss the friends I made by working well with them but I won't die. I received lots of emails from people who were sympathizing with what was happening to me before, and one person explained to me that Misplaced Pages is make up of really young aggressive guys. I can see that I'm not up to it. I turn 65 years old in a few months. I'm not up to this. Doesn't matter, really. I give up.

honeybee dance language AFD

Good evening. There have been some new facts and evidence presented in the discussion since your last edit. When you have a minute, would you mind taking the time to revisit the discussion? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't quit Matisse

Please don't give up Matisse. I agree that Misplaced Pages does unfortunately consist largely of really aggressive young guys who are often a pain as we well know - but your contributions so far have been extremely valuable. It is thanks to users like yourself that the level of discourse rises above the schoolyard. Maybe take some time away from controversial page deletions and get your teeth into something less stressful for a while! I was blocked in error before by someone over half my age which nearly sent me away - I didn't even receive an apology either. But one forgets about it and soldier's on! --Zleitzen 23:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. On looking at the people accused of being your sockpuppets they seem to be the very people who have voted against you on school articles, so my guess is that the block was in error. Hopefully the wisdom of years will help you deal with the youngsters. It might be wise to stay clear of AfD especially the School articles which can often turn into a battle ground. Hope to see you back. --Salix alba (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep in mind the block was for conclusive technical evidence that Mattisse used multiple accounts to try to sway AfD discussions. See WP:SOCK Kevin_b_er 02:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I've seen all the evidence and yes - Matisse broke the rules. But there is a backstory to the name changes and sockpuppets due to uncivil behaviour directed at her in recent times - (see ) including during the Afd process (see ). I believe the block was as a result of naivity of the process rather than wanton disruptive behaviour (see ). It seems a shame that a good contributor like Matisse was blocked and rather poorly spoken to above I believe, while much of the awful behaviour that goes on at this site on a regular basis goes unchecked. --Zleitzen 02:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

She was certainly being bullied and falsely accused of bad faith at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School. I encouraged her to start an RFC, but she seemed to find the process confusing, and I didn't want to find myself bullying her into facing the bullies. See especially User_talk:Jmabel#Re:_If_you_wish_to_start_an_RFC and following sections. These will eventually be archived at User talk:Jmabel/Archive 38#Re:_If_you_wish_to_start_an_RFC and following sections. - Jmabel | Talk 18:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Good to see you haven't given up Matisse! I hope you manage to avoid accusations and controversy in your future work on the site. Good luck and take it easy. --Zleitzen 23:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete tags

Mattisse, While it is most appreciated that editors tag articles for speedy deletion, it is important that the tag not be added just because you guess it might be a problematic entry. For example, you tagged Inkjet printable dvd with the reason as "Nonsense, I believe". If you do a Google search on just that phrase, you will find that it is a real product. Please take the time to do a little checking before nominating articles for speedy deletion. — ERcheck (talk) 22:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

My apologies to you over the faulty speedy delete tag. My motivation to put effort into doing good, conscientious work on Misplaced Pages has evaporated. I've stopped wikifying and clearing out backlogs, I've stopped working seriously on articles and checking for copyvios. And I will stop the speedy deletes too. I admit the level of my work has fallen off drastically and I doubt the desire to do professional work will return. Mattisse 09:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Your contributions are appreciated. My comment was meant to help you improve your speedy delete tagging (see Criteria for speedy deletion for more info). I do hope you will continue to contribute in whatever area(s) you feel most comfortable. — ERcheck (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Exanimus

It is not a good idea to add {{prod}} to pages where they have being removed, even if it is by the page's creator. Instead of WP:PROD, it must be WP:AFD. Thanks. Computerjoe's talk 18:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually this can be speedied as G4 due to a prior AfD-ed CSD A8 deletion! Computerjoe's talk 18:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Exanimus. Also try reading WP:DP. :) Computerjoe's talk 18:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi Mattisse. I notice that you nominated Dodgyism for speedy deletion as a hoax. Unfortunately "hoax" is not one of the criteria for speedy deletion. I've used the {{prod}} tag on this article instead. Thanks, Gwernol 21:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries about it. It looks like a pretty awful article and needs to be removed. Just trying to make sure we get the process right. Keep up the good work, Gwernol 21:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Open Source Religion

Yo Mattisse, you wrote "This is Kriegman at work again . . ." Please note that Goethean removed all of my unreferenced/unsupported material from this article, cutting it down to almost a stub. While it is true that I then made five edits, not one changed the content or made any significant modifications to Goethean's editing. All of my recent edits were either minor (grammar) or supplemented Goethean's edits by finding the missing links he referred to. That's all I did. While I believe that after Goethean's edits, the article is now well referenced with no claims that are not supported by reputable external sources, I think—and if you take another look, you might agree—that it would be unfair to characterize my recent input as "This is Kriegman at work again . . ." with the implication that my current editing input is the same as earlier work on this (or other) articles. With these thoughts in mind, would you be willing to take another look and reconsider your view of my input into this article? Kriegman 12:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, you cannot capitalize "source" or "religion" or WP doesn't recognize it. I will try to fix that. Here it is: Open source religion. Hmmn. That's weird. There is a minor inconsistency in the WP that creates this confusion. In the search box, "Open source religion" and "Open Source Religion" are treated equivalently. However, when editing Open Source Religion is not the same and will only lead to Open source religion if a redirect to Open source religion is placed on the Open Source Religion page (which I did). Kriegman 13:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

That does seem much clearer and better referenced. I haven't finished checking the whole article out yet -- but your second footnote doesn't work. Since it is a Boston Globe article, maybe you can get it directly from them. Some articles they leave up forever. Mattisse 13:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Please note, that wasn't my second footnote. I noticed that it didn't work and I didn't know what to do about it. We could just list the reference/source without a link to the actual article as apparently the Globe did not leave it up. Alternatively, there is a copy of the Boston Globe article on the Yoism website that could be linked to. I didn't dare place such a link in the article as I thought it would be seen as another attempt to promote/link to Yoism. This is the link so you can view the article and put the link into OSR if you feel it is appropriate. (I'll place this note on the OSR talk page as I did with my earlier comment.) Kriegman 13:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

It seems to me using that link would be O.K. since it seems clearly to be a Boston Globe article and copyrighted as such. Mattisse 13:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Please note that, though I agree that the link should be added, I am avoiding any editing of OSR that could be construed as self-promoting. So, if you want to add the link, please do. Kriegman 14:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

Why do people have to know what Reboot is? And the Boston Globe article is a quote from you! The Yoams have to be a real phenomenon over and above you and articles about you. The concept of open source generalizing beyond the computer world is an interesting one, and perhaps genuine as some of your references suggest. Why don't you write an article giving several examples of open source generalizing to other areas. Open source religion could be one example, but you would need other verifiable examples that are independent of you. Mattisse 14:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Reboot: That anchors in time and place the attempt to develop that particular open source religion. Regarding the Boston Globe quotation: Note that the Misplaced Pages article does indicate that the quotation is merely a "claim" by Yoans, i.e., there is a clear indication that this is simply a statement by a participant (in this case, me) or something found in their literature. That simply is the same as any other article that quotes someone involved with creating something or describes what an ogranization claims to be. The fact that it was reported in a major newspaper is the indication that the organization has some verifiability beyond the ego of one person. In fact, the writer did research the group and didn't publish the article until he sent a photographer out to document an actual Yoan gathering. Regarding other open source phenomena, there already is a general article on Open source culture, which links to the OSR article. Kriegman 15:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Future events

Hey, some future events/games/movies can be included: taking they are notable and verifiable. Computerjoe's talk 16:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Canadian Ethnic Cleansing Team

Hi there. I have a quetion about the following information you placed in the article:

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I was wondering what links were of concern. If you could let me know perhaps I can explain the rationale behind them or at least fix them up. AnnieHall 21:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)