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nice username btw. BlueShirts 02:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Blue Shirts was an organization to revitalize the Kuomintang in the 30s. I'm not sure if Chiang Ching-kuo was involved with it, but it did become the Youth Corps. BlueShirts 04:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

check here Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (China-related articles)

good job editing

good job editing keep up da good work--Bonafide.hustla 06:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh???

The one and only CKS, I suppose? -- Миборовский 03:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Pinyin

We usually always provide pinyin when Chinese characters are provided. (Even historically speaking, note: Misplaced Pages:History_standards_for_China-related_articles) --Jiang 12:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

2 2 8 and LI Ao

As a supporter of CKS, I would like to ask you what u think about his role in 2 2 8 and of detaining outstanding people like Li Ao. (BTW: As a German citizin I would never use the name "Adolf Hitler" as my 昵称. The same goes for PRC and Mao Zedong. 80.218.244.64 21:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The Late President Lord Chiang Kai-shek 先總統　蔣公, is a commendable person. However, some people would disagree with this statement. They are mainly pan-green and Taiwan independance minded. Chiang Kai-shek had a limited role in the 228 incident. It was his subordinate, governor general of Taiwan, Chen Yi who masterminded the whole thing. Chiang Kai-shek was pre-occupied with events on Mainland China, and so therefore had limited knowledge to what was going on. Chen Yi also told many lies to President Chiang. At least President Chiang Kai-shek made an effort to make ammends. He had Chen Yi paraded to the Taipei race track and shot by firing squad. He also implentend new policies that helped the people of Taiwan. He also defended Taiwan staunchly. If he had not defended Taiwan, there would be no Taiwan Province, ROC today. And Li Ao was never detained by President Chiang. (Chiang Kai-shek 23:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC))

In response to your comment on my talkpage, I need to say that you need to chill out. Why are you accusing me of "vandalism"? Don't be accusing if you ain't got no proof. I'm just saying you gotta show your sources. President Chen's approval rating, base on my research definitely is NOT 5.9%, and I find such stats laughable and disgraceful on such a great project like wiki. Plus I never heard of any rumors of Chen's daughter divorcing Chao, and Chao claiming he got gout disease. If there have been, again show your sources. Since you're a new comer on wiki, remember wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for someone who is on a crusade and proving a NPOV is essential. Please keep that in mind in the future. I have reverted Chao's article to my latest version, feel free to edit it if you can cite your sources.--Bonafide.hustla 08:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Gallery of sovereign-state flags

Why did you remove the flag of the PRC from Gallery of sovereign-state flags? I don't care what your personal political views are, you need to follow the NPOV standards that we adhere to on Misplaced Pages. -- ran (talk) 21:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC) No personal attack. Don't make accusation unless you got proof. I actually follow Taiwanese politics--Bonafide.hustla 21:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC) If you threaten me or vandalize my talkpage again. You will be block from editing.--Bonafide.hustla 07:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Uncivil

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! --Bonafide.hustla 00:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Taiwan

Hi Chiang Kai-shek,

I used to be confused about the portal entry for Taiwan/ROC. Originally I also thought the portal should be Rebublic of China, but now I understand it is a geographic entry under the Geography category in Portal:Browse. The territories listed under the geography category doesn't necessarily have to be countries/nations but the geographical area.

An ROC portal would create too many problems most notably the R.O.C. map. An ROC portal would require acknowledging the entire mainland China, and lost territories of Mongolia, northern Burma, Tuva Republic (Russia), parts of former Soviet republics in central Asia, etc as part of ROC.

The Taiwan portal is an entry on Taiwan island with a focus on the people (including aborigines), culture of the island as well as its history under the rule of Ming, Qing, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, and the current ROC. In other words it's about the island of Taiwan and not about ROC (although ROC history, government, politics, etc are also included as part of the history of the island of Taiwan)— Nrtm81 06:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's my response to your comments. It is more appropriate to use the Republic of China. On what basis is it more appropriate to use ROC?

In the content, we will say that it currently controls Taiwan and some Fuchien islands. We don't really have to mention anything about Tuva, Mongolia, North Burma, etc. It is only about the ROC's current jurisdiction. The ROC has never relinquished its right and claim to these lost territories. This fact cannot be ignored.

The "Taiwan" Portal that you have made is very controversial. First of all, you used a green background, implying Pro-Taiwan independence support. Then, you added the Nauran saying, which is implying pro-localization to aborignes. I don't believe the "Taiwan" portal is controversial because it is geographic and not political in nature. The introduction box states that it is currently governed by the ROC government. I chose a green background to go with an island theme. There was never any intension of "pro-taiwan independence support". I added the "Naruw'an" saying because this greeting was promoted by the Tourism Bureau, Republic of China since 2004.

As many people have stated, it is better and less controversial to retain the old ROC Portal, instead of a "Taiwan" Portal. Thus, I believe that you shouldn't change it to Taiwan anymore. Can you direct me to the discussion where "many people" have "stated" that it's better and less controversial to retain the old ROC Portal? On the discussion tab of Portal:Taiwan the general concensus (though only four people have made an input) so far is that having an ROC portal is controversial and impractical. If you strongly believe that the portal should be Portal:Republic of China, you can raise this issue at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. — Nrtm81 20:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I've just requested a mediator to settle the dispute over the naming of the portal. There really is no point reverting here and there if you disagree with something. If the final conclusion is that the portal should be named Portal:Taiwan, I hope you respect the decision and cease revert edit wars. If it's Portal:Republic of China then I will respect that decision. You might be shocked I had the same thought as you before :P (See: User talk:Captain0 where I asked for the portal to be ROC because the portal for China was Portal:People's Republic of China not Portal:China. — Nrtm81 08:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Heads up, zh:Portal:台灣 (Taiwan) is the "sister" Portal on Chinese Misplaced Pages. If you try zh:Portal:中華民國 (Republic of China), you get "对不起，找不到和您的查询相符的页面。" — Nrtm81 15:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't and do not want to read the writing of the Chinese bandits. -Chiang Kai-shek 00:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You can't read Chinese? ROC topics are covered in that portal as well. By the way, ROC doesn't cover the area of it's current jurisdiction but the whole of China as recognized by Foreign relations of the Republic of China: The 25 nations which have official diplomatic ties with the ROC all recognize it as the sole-legitimate government of the whole of China instead of just its current jurisdiction of the island groups of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu and some other islands. and you say the areas on the mainland are not relevant? — Nrtm81 08:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

lol, OK "Chinese bandit" meant Simplified Chinese, I thought you meant the Chinese Misplaced Pages is edited by PRC mainlanders so their articles are "rubbish". They did compromise to have Chinese character conversion between "簡體/繁體" characters, so the pages are readable depending which style you are more accustomed to. — Nrtm81 12:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Chiang Kai-shek, could you help with building up the Portal:Republic of China portal? Also, I put "Note: Taiwan is governed by the Republic of China" under the Welcome text. I don't think there's a point in adding "Province" or "Republic of China" to the portal name. ROC is officially China and has a history before governing Taiwan. I'm trying to find a balance so that it's clearly understood that Taiwan isn't independent, nor seperate from mainland China, and that it has a history and development of it's own. ROC has shown the PRC how successful it has been since it has made Taiwan a modernized area whereas the rest of the mainland area is still "developing" under the PRC. — Nrtm81 18:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, ask people you know who are interested in the portal name to cast a vote for the portal name at Portal talk:Taiwan. Thanks — Nrtm81 04:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Hello Chiang Kai-shek. I have taken the Portal Taiwan case that was asked to be looked at in the mediation cabal. Please be aware that any conclusion that we come to in Med Cab is not formal, and can not produce official resolutions and what not. However, with that said we are all friendly, and concerned about issues, and I look forward to helping you and Nrtm81 resolve this issue in a peaceful and happy manner. Maybe you'll look back on this one day and laugh.

In the mean time, I will look at all the evidence and begin to form ideas about the situation that can hopefully become some kind of compromise.

Speak to you later. Yours, The Halo (talk) 10:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello again.

Firstly, just to let you know that Ideogram is also mediating on this issue, so feel free to discuss anything with either him or me.

Secondly, I've just posted some suggestions and some questions at Portal talk:Taiwan which you may wish to have a look at. These are just first thoughts, so feel free to reject them totally ;)

Thank you. The Halo (talk) 19:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hiya CKS, I think the portal is pretty much a geogrphic portal like they said. If you want we can make a ROC portal that focuses on ROC history and politics. That'd be awesome, since I think more stuff happened in pre-1949 ROC history than on Taiwan. Again I don't know much about portals or what purpose they should serve. BlueShirts 00:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know man. They point out that the portal Ireland can also includes Northern Ireland, which is not a part of Republic of Ireland. I think maybe we can change the island color to blue or something. I agree the green color is definitely pushing a pan-green viewpoint, since it's on the flag of the DPP. BlueShirts 00:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Chiang, go check User talk:BlueShirts, I think that's the best compromise. I hope you agree with it. I'm not anti-ROC, pro-PRC, or pro-independence. I just want to have NPOV with equal mention of the different "viewpoints". Having a one-sided viewpoint limits knowledge. — Nrtm81 09:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Taiwan dispute being filed at the Arbitration Committee

Hello Chiang Kai-shek, I'm preparing to file a request to the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee to settle the dispute over the naming of the portal Portal:Taiwan. I will write again here when the request is submitted so you can add your statement. — Nrtm81 16:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I assume that you have seen Cowman's comments on the portal talk, and you have hopefully agreed with Nrtm81 not to take this to arbcom. I agree with Cowman that it is best to try less rash channels first before you talk this to the arbcom. If you have any farther questions, please leave me a message. The Halo (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chiang Kai-shek, I've filed the request at the Arbitration Committee. If you would like to add a statement, please do so. I'm sorry for suggesting you have nationalist sentiment, that you have and are pushing a political agenda, and also for suggesting you might have racist intensions. It isn't appropriate in any situation. I hope you can accept my sincere apology. Also I don't expect any apologies from you but if you are sorry for anything I already accept it. OK, if you would add your statement, please visit this link: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Current requests Thanks and I hope there's no bitterness on either side. Love you. :-) — Nrtm81 17:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chiang, I think Halo's idea is pretty good. It's a nice compromise to have Portal:ROC that covers just about everything and then a subportal about Taiwan that covers the geography and stuff. BlueShirts 19:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

中華民國萬歲

cool i support you Theaznlaw 21:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

state

Hiya CKS, in this case state means nation state, not a subnational division. So the "nation state" of the ROC is often referred to as "Taiwan" is what the notice on the Taiwan article means. And I doubt anyone is going to think you're a commie from the PRC. In all cases I think you're a waishenren from Taiwan. BlueShirts 00:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Your Username

Hi Chiang.

As you may know, there has been some discussion about your username, and how it violates Misplaced Pages naming conventions. There is even some talk about RfC's or RFAR about it. I would suggest that you change your name to avoid a lot of hassle for yourself. If you look at Misplaced Pages:Changing username first, and read about it, you can get an idea that it is quite easy to change your username to something exceptable (like User:Chiang for instance). If you decide that this is the way that you want to go (and I hope for your sake that it is) please then go down the changing username page and list yourself under the current requests. I feel that this would be best for you, especially given the current situation.

Just a quick note about Portal:Taiwan. I would suggest to you that Taiwan Island or Taiwand (Island) are the best choices that we have for a compromise. It is a shame to see both you and Nrtm81 caught up in this mess. I feel that you are both good editors, and you could add a lot to Portal:Taiwan, and Portal:ROC. You are very passionate about these subjects, and if this disagrement could be sorted out, these subject could begin to grow, and wikipedia would be a better place.

Yours, The Halo (talk) 11:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I must add a little comment: Chiang Kai-shek is a Chinese name, and should be addressed as "Dear Mr. Chiang", "Dear Kai-shek" but never "Dear Chiang". I strongly advice The Halo to look for the origin of a name of a famous person before he advises such users with these usernames to rename. --Deryck C. 02:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

End of Mediation Cabal

As you may have seen on the Portal talk:Taiwan page, I have now closed the midiation per my reasons given there. I wish you all the best in the future, and hope that you follow my above advice. Yours, The Halo (talk) 14:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

portal

hi Chiang, so what's the difference between portal:ROC and portal:Free Area of the ROC? Personally I think portal:ROC shuld suffice to avoid overlapping. I think it'd be good to have the portal:ROC deal with everything related to the ROC, whether mainland history or on taiwan. BTW, what happened to portal:Taiwan Island? BlueShirts 18:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

With regards to your comments on User talk:Ideogram: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Misplaced Pages. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." Please keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. -Loren 05:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you make a personal attack, as you did at User:Ideogram, you will be blocked for disruption. -Loren 18:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

I have filed a Request for Arbitration against you at WP:RFAR. --Ideogram 06:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Start over again

Aww, Chiang Kai-shek! OK, I believe it was a mistake to question your English, maybe you're right, my English sucks because it led to so many misunderstandings. I have to work on getting my point across more clearly. I apologize again.

I believe everyone has a misunderstanding about each other. Like the WP:NPA says, things get ugly when we accuse or make negative comments about other people. I'm not a perfect example of good behavior but I'd like all of us to be more constructive and try our best not to make negative comments against each other.

I think maybe these past few days you've been overworked and feel like everyone is ganging up against you. It's easy to just release the stress by attacking those who are not in your good favor but it just has a snowball effect of creating more bad tension. How does that Chinese saying go? 三思而後行 think thrice before we leap. I don't like the way things are turning out right now. I pulled you into this mess by starting the mediation over the portal name. I will try my best not to make comments about you or other people. Can you also try as well? Let's just make comments about Misplaced Pages content instead, that's more constructive.

I don't think Ideogram has any communist intensions, though that comment was funny. He believed red was a neutral color because it is a traditional Chinese color for good luck, prosperity, etc (Chinese New Year, marriage..) Just as I had thought green was neutral because it is the color of nature. At least you had pointed out to me that green was also used by the Taiwan independence movement. I didn't consider that when I chose the color. Ideogram also didn't think red had such a serious connection to communism. See? All a bunch of misunderstanding.

Let's start over again OK? No more negative comments about others, if we do make a comment about another person, let it be about praising their good work.

All the best! — Nrtm81 09:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm very flattered by your kind words. However, please also give Ideogram the benefit of a doubt. Remember you had thought I supported independence? I didn't know any better before and I certainly don't want to get into confrontations. It does ruin a good day doesn't it? I agree that Ideogram probably made some mistakes such as not alerting us to the fact that he had stopped participating as a mediator. But it's also a good lesson for him to see things in retrospect so he can improve his mediation skills in the future.

Like I've said, I believe all this mess is caused by misunderstandings and straying away from the actual situation. Why are we talking about other people having some kind of motive, or guessing their political stance? Is it really that important? Do we have to victimize ourselves or criticize another person? I don't think those are important and certainly not constructive.

I hope you and Ideogram can also start over again and have no bad feelings toward each other. Let's focus back on the actual portal and find a way to solve the dispute more professionally. I've already left a notice for other people to share their thoughts on the portal name. — Nrtm81 19:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed you copied and pasted the comment from WP:RFAR to my user talk page. Am I being stupid or foolish in trying to ask you to refrain from making the kind of comments you just did about Ideogram? Come on Chiang Kai-shek. You know better than that. — Nrtm81 20:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Again I misunderstood because your message was from the WP:RFAR and I didn't understand why you were making such remarks against Ideogram. Actually, he isn't a bad guy. I don't know why we're fighting. He doesn't like being accused of communism, just as you don't like being accused of nationalism.

The user page remark you left on his page pushed him into filing the RFAR. I overlooked Ideogram's message accusing you of a pro-ROC agenda when I made my next remark on the RFAR. When I saw that, I just don't know what to do anymore. It seems that both of you have done the same thing to each other with the difference being that you edited his user page.

Can I suggest that you apologize to Ideogram for the "communist", "bitch", "go to hell" remark and say that you've been stressed lately because of the tension caused by the portal dispute? Also, I'd like Ideogram to apologize to you for saying you have a political agenda. Would that at least calm down the situation? We just need to communicate better since misunderstandings can cause so many problems. — Nrtm81 10:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Chiang Kai-shek

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Chiang Kai-shek. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Chiang Kai-shek/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Chiang Kai-shek/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 20:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Are you an administrator?

Yes I am. What do you need? If you need some quick help in the future, you can go to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard or look up the Misplaced Pages:list of administrators. --Jiang 04:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You need to list yourself at Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Changing username is done by bureaucrates - I am not one. In the meantime, you can deal with your signature under "my preferences"--Jiang 16:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

And re:Ideogram's comment on my page, once your name has been changed, the old userpages will be moved to the new name. Of course, the page history is preserved, but you are free to edit your userpages.--Jiang 16:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Username change

Per your username change, I've moved your old pages to this name. You are free to archive this page is you like. (I assumed that you werent really trying to archive when you blanked it.) --Jiang 23:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are free to blank your user and talk pages, though most people prefer to keep some sort of archive of their talk page visible.--Jiang 06:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)