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What is going on?

I came on here to figure out where she was actually from, and was shocked by this article. I can't figure out for the life of me, why it is so extensive. This person's influence is limited, and will probably be nearly forgotten in a decade or two. Can we whittle it down to what is actually relevant in a encyclopedic historical context? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.51.146 (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

But on the other hand she has one of the largest amounts of archived talk pages of any WP articles - and the article has often seemed to be (and remain) a bit, er, sanitized by her fans. Did you get the clue? ;) 83.254.154.164 (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

New NEWS today, for future editing

Obvious comparisons, contrasts and competition begins. 

Headline-1: The first shot: Clinton vs. Palin

QUOTE: "Two days after Sarah Palin said she is considering a bid and held up a “Ready for Hillary” car magnet during her weekend address at an Iowa conservatives convention, the group took the bait and fired back, accusing Palin of signaling the beginning of a GOP anti-Clinton crusade." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing.

The 'See also' section

I'll be adding the 'See also' section, with one bullet item. Guidelines are that main items in the body of the article do not have a 'See also' entry. With this in mind, when her 2016 run for the presidency is dominant the 'See also' entry about her positioning can be removed. Feel free to add other 'See also' references to other pertinent WP pages not linked in the body of the article. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Once again, all I see is an offhand remark to a reporter being deemed a "news story", and hence being used to justify "evidence" of a candidacy where no other evidence exists. Hey, everyone, I declare myself to be a candidate for the Silly Party nomination for Archbishop of Canterbury. So, if I con a "reliable source" into publishing such a "fact", does that mean that I'm allowed to bludgeon Misplaced Pages with it and ignore all evidence to the contrary, or do those rules not apply because I'm not Sarah Palin? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm... I wonder how desperate some editors are going to be to avoid acknowledging the existence of that, to the point of making it appear that WashPo is all of a sudden not a reliable source because they ran a piece which isn't complimentary. Particularly relevant to the point I've been making are the following: "Still others expressed concern that the GOP is damaging its own prospects by treating Palin as though she is doing more than promoting herself and her various ventures" and "As for her presidential ambitions, Palin said she was merely answering a question lodged by a 'pesty reporter while I was promoting my Sportsman Channel show'". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Whatever Sarah Palin decides, she will be a positive factor in keeping the Conservative vote in the Republican Party. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages are not a blog. ArishiaNishi (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Health care section

I'm wondering what's going on with the health care section. See for one of at least 2 reverts in this section. The two "citation needed" tags just don't make sense to me. Are people really claiming that the "Affordable Healthcare act .." is not what Palin is referring to in the quote now linked to from Politico? Are they claiming that Palin isn't in favor of defunding Obamacare? In any case it's all in the reference that has been reverted.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem with the "quote" from Politico is that it is highly selective about which words of Palin it takes from her response. If you read the text of what she really said, it shows how dubious the Politico selection is. I don't think anyone is saying Politico isn't a reliable source, but the way she is so selectively quoted in the section of the article under discussion renders it useless for an encyclopedic article. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The full text of the interview is here. I see what you mean in that the topic is not just healthcare, but the rhetoric quoted seems par for the course. Perhaps you can rewrite the paragraph about her opposition to healthcare. Right now the paragraph just does not make sense. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
What about it do you feel is unclear? Bonewah (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I thought I was clear above. Copying the section with comments:

Health care

This legislation is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as modified by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. (Is this sentence needed? What does the citation needed refer to?)

Palin characterizes the act as an "unfunded mandate" and supports defunding it, as well as repealing portions of the act. REF (Does anybody doubt that this is true? References are only needed where there is a reasonable doubt. What isn't covered in the ref given?)

Smallbones(smalltalk) 21:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Im perfectly OK with removing the line "This legislation is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as modified by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010" and possibly adding a reference to its common name (obamacare) in the previous line. I am also OK with removing the CN tag in the next sentence. Bonewah (talk) 14:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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