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Is "alienation" the right word for the linked last word in the first sentence of the History section? BenB4 05:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, yes. It is a term often used for the granting away of Crown lands. I can't immediately think of a clearer one, but am all attention if you can. Tim Riley 15:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The annotation for "native mussels and oysters" concerns "crustaceans." Is this a case of incredibly convoluted British terminology, in which rights pertaining to the harvesting of lobsters, crabs and shrimp are titled as oystering rights, or did the author mistakenly type "crustaceans" rather than "molluscs?"Ecohansen (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

revoke?

The latest change is this addition (footnote omitted):

it was not until 1830 that King William IV revoked the income from the crown estates in Scotland.

What does revoked mean here? Income isn't obviously something one can revoke; the nearest thing to a clear meaning that I can find is "William undid a predecessor's grant of the income", but is that what happened? —Tamfang (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ownership

I couldn't understand anything from the article. Who owns the crown estate? If it's a corporation who owns the corporation?--95.10.149.81 (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The Crown Estates do not belong to the monarch they belong to the UK state. I'll edit the article as appropriate Noel darlow (talk) 20:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

The Crown Estate is owned by the Sovereign (constitutionally, the sovereign is the human embodiment of the crown, thus the Sovereign "as such, is regarded as the personification of the state"; what is known as 'state lands' or 'the state' is known as 'crown lands' or 'the crown' in constitutional monarchies such as the UK and other Commonwealth Realms).

1. "The Sovereign is the legal owner but does not have any powers of management or control" The Crown Estate
2. "The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne" The Crown Estate
3. "The Crown Estate is the property of the sovereign. But, on accession, every monarch since George III (in 1760) has agreed to surrender the surplus revenues of the Crown Estate to the Exchequer, in return for annual grant support" HM Treasury (Government of the United Kingdom)
4. "The Crown Estate is the property of the Sovereign “in right of the Crown”."Government of the United Kingdom
5. "the Estate is part of the hereditary possessions of the sovereign; while its income forms part of Her hereditary revenues and is paid direct into the Consolidated Fund”;12 the CEC explained that they exercise 'the powers of ownership, although we are not owners in our own right.'13 This quote does provide some greater clarity as many of the submissions we received thought the CEC were the owners of the Crown Estate rather than the managers of it." House of Commons Treasury Committee
6. "in effect Crown Lands are a trust estate, of which the capital belongs to the Sovereign. The income after meeting costs of upkeep has been surrendered to Parliament at the beginning of each reign since that of King George III, in accordance with a Civil List Act.18 and that, in sum, 'the Crown Estate is the Sovereign’s public estate by right of the Crown and when Parliament assumed responsibility for providing funds for the upkeep of the Royal household as well as for the expenses of Government the surrender of the revenue for the lifetime of the Sovereign was regarded as a corollary.'19"House of Commons Treasury Committee
7. "The Crown Estate is the property of the Sovereign “in right of the Crown”, though its revenue is surrendered to the Exchequer in return for government support. This exchange has been made on the accession of each sovereign since George III in 1760." The Sovereign Grant Act, 2011 (United Kingdom Legislative Law)
8. "Her Majesty desires that the hereditary revenues of the Crown, for any period for which support is provided to any of Her successors, should be at the dispoal of the House of Commons".Gracious message from the Queen to the House of Commons on the subject of the Sovereign Grant as part of the 2011 Act

So, quite clearly the Crown Estate belongs to the Queen and is her "public estate" which belongs to her by virtue of her inherited position as sovereign of the UK. This differs from her "private/privy" estate which belongs to her by virtue of her personal family inheritance. Both these estates together generate the "hereditary revenues" of the Queen (private family estate and positional estate). Due to the nature of constitutional monarchy in the British sense, the sovereign voluntarily places some of her "hereditary revenues" "at the disposal of the house of commons, an arrangement which can be agreed to by future monarchs simply by an order in council UK Parliamentary backgrounder page 4. Thus, the "public estate" that she inherited by virtue of her position as the Crown and the human embodiment of the state is entrusted for management to Her Majesty's Government. Her "personal estate" belongs to Elizabeth II independent of her inherited position of Queen and is thus managed internally.

This is why the Queen's official "expenses met by the government in return for the surrender by the Sovereign of the hereditary revenues of the Crown (mainly the profit from the Crown Estate)."gov.uk Which is to say, all expenditures she makes due to her obligation as Queen are met by her "public estate", and all other expenditures she makes in her personal capacity are made by her "personal estate". As we can see in ref just above, which was prepared for MPs by Parliament, such a surrender of management and profits from her "public estate" still must be made by every incoming sovereign and as such, ownership of the estate continues to be vested in the sovereign, but management and profits have been delegated to Her Majesty's Government. The distinction is that the Crown Estate belongs to the office of the Sovereign (the Crown) but not personally to Elizabeth II as a private individual herself, in the same way as the Catholic Church belongs to the office of the Pope but not personally to the office's holder (corporation sole). This is to ensure that the powers and properties of an office remain with the office, and don't depart with the individual leaving (which prevents the President of the United States leaving office but maintaining ownership of the White House for example), which is to say that the Crown Estate and the Royal Palaces, etc are owned by the Queen of the United Kingdom and not by Elizabeth II herself, so in the hypothetical scenario of an abdication right at this instant, the Crown Estate would immediately and automatically pass to her successor, in this case ownership being immediately vested in her son as King of the UK. trackratte (talk) 00:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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