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I am in my early fifties, British, have been married for over quarter of a century to the world's most tolerant woman, and have two adult children. I am an amateur baritone and professional nerd. I do not tolerate racism, or any kind of bigotry. I sometimes, to my chagrin, mention that I have been an admin for a long time: some people think this is me invoking admin status in order to subdue dissent, actually it's just me as a middle aged parent of young adults saying "oh no, not this shit again". I am British, I have the British sense of humour (correctly spelled) and I absolutely do not have an accent, since I went to a thousand-year-old school. Everything I do or say could be wrong. I try always to be open to that possibility. If you think I am wrong, please just talk to me nicely, and it can all be sorted out like grown-ups. Guy (Help!) 23:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC and other closes

I am am making a good faith best efforts attempt to close backlogged RfCs and other debates from Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. These are mainly backlogged because there is no obvious consensus, so any close will undoubtedly annoy someone. I invite review of any such close on WP:ANI, where there are many more watchers than my talk page. I am happy to provide clarification of anything either here or on ANI, please ping me if it's at ANI - that exempts you from the ANI notice, IMO, and I prefer a ping to a talk page notice as the latter tends to spread discussion to multiple venues, which is a nightmare. Feel free to use "email this user" if I am not responding to a request (but remember I live in UTC, soon to be UTC-1). Guy (Help!) 23:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Flow-Based Programming primary-inline tags

Season's Greetings, Guy! One of the changes you made to the Flow-Based Programming article was to add "primary-inline" tags in 4 places. I did look up the definition of this tag, and wonder if you could explain to me why it applies, and what should be done about it/them (since I can't modify the article). As I said a few days ago in jpaulm/talk, Technical Disclosure Bulletins are vetted by company lawyers and go to law firms all over the world (this document guarantees nobody can take out a patent to prevent the company (IBM) from using the concept) - it was in fact written by a lawyer, not by me; the IBM Systems Journal - http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/journal/sjindex.html - is very highly regarded world-wide, and my manager had a senior architect vet that article before it went out; and the other two publications were by Wayne Stevens, who is not the author of the WP article, so that seems secondary to me. Clearly, I'm very confused! Help would be appreciated! Jpaulm (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

It's still a primary source. Guy (Help!) 22:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Guy, but what is "it"? I asked about 4 articles - maybe you're referring to the article I wrote (the SysJnl article), but what about the other three? So I'm OK with your removing the SysJnl article from the History section, but why can't it be moved down to External Links? My book should be able to be listed in External Links as well, surely? What are the rules about External Links - maybe you could point me at a WP guideline. TIA Jpaulm (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

All sources that I tagged as primary, are primary for the text they are offered to support. Guy (Help!) 16:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I was looking at your changes from the WP point of view, as I understand them, and just noticed that reference 5 (the TDB) has my name on it. This is my error as it was in fact written by a lawyer whose name I have forgotten, if I ever knew it - so it's secondary, not primary. I didn't realize this error could have such serious implications, so I wasn't sufficiently careful! If we remove my name from this reference, can we then use it as evidence that FBP was invented in the early 70s (the statement you removed in History)? Of course, we may have to change it to the late 70s, as the first publication with my name on it is dated 1978. Would you be OK with that? (Of course, I would have to ask someone else to make the change). BTW The 1978 paper was cited in one article, and 5 patent applications - see http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abstractCitations.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5388019&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fstamp%2Fstamp.jsp%3Ftp%3D%26arnumber%3D5388019 . Can these be used as secondary sources? Help would be much appreciated! TIA Paul M. Jpaulm (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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There is nothing "fringe" about the reputable universities and institutions that conducted the studies, nor is there anything fringe about the maintstream sources that I have cited, all of which are in accordance with wikipedias policy. The fact is that the verifiable studies that I have cited have been routinely deleted by materialists who use bully tactics to force their agenda. If you are not familiar with wikipedias "neutral point of view" rule I urge you to study the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Criticism . It is you who must desist. --Novoneiro (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Bullshit. Guy (Help!) 00:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Cryonics

Cryonics will not win any popularity contests, so just because some editors are against edits that improve its credibility does not mean the edits are incorrect. The point is that this new UK research network by prestigious scientists in Oxford, Cambridge and other institutions showcases that cryonics has some scientific acceptance. Basically, it demonstrates that reputed scientists support research into cryonics. As such, I think it is relevant to the topic of the paragraph on whether cryonics is scientifically feasible. If my sentence needs changing, please advise. If I'm mistaken please let me know. Tiddlypeep (talk) 00:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Or you could stop promoting a commercial entity. You have so little recent editing experience that your error is not a surprise, but your failure to acknowledge that your edits do not have consensus is a problem. Action may be taken to resolve this problem if you continue. Guy (Help!) 00:09, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

It is not a commercial entity, it is a research network, just a bunch of scientists getting together to support research on cryonics. Tiddlypeep (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

For information

I have mentioned you at User:Biscuittin/Reform of Misplaced Pages. Biscuittin (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

"Best known for" closure

I realize the numeric situation seemed fairly clear at the time you made your closure, but it was still closed rather early, after only half a day, and given the fact that several well-respected editors have now registered "opposes", would you mind reopening the discussion to give those concerns a proper airing? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I was also surprised to see the discussion closed this quickly. I agree that it would be a good idea to reopen it and let all viewpoints air. In particular, Drmies makes good points but they are not in themselves the reasons I started the thread, and that deserves an explanation. Ritchie333 11:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

You are both wasting peoples time. The current situation is edits (when identified) of 'best known for' get reverted on site as they are socking. The result of the community actually banning them is that the process gets done a little quicker and a proper discussion has to be had to allow them to edit again. Assuming you could rustle up another 4 or 5 people to make decent counter-arguments in favour of not community banning (at the moment they boil down to 'they make good edits sometimes' which isnt a very persuasive or weighty argument), it will make no difference to their edits being reverted. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Only in death, if you don't think the ban discussion is a good use of your time then ignore it. However there are several people who would love for this situation to be resolved properly. There has been rather a bit of disagreement on how this user should be handled, and if they are indeed defacto banned, and this is going to settle the matter. I would like to see it run its entire 24 hours as the banning policy requires, this person is a wiki-lawyer and I don't want them to have a valid point about their ban not being proper.

I also think some of the claims snuck in after the close need a good solid refuting. HighInBC 03:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

If you think the drama needs stringing out then revert, I don't mind. I am currently in South Africa on business and have no time to deal with this right now. Guy (Help!) 18:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

The Discretionary Sanctions remedy which currently says that " Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to genetically modified organisms, agricultural biotechnology, and agricultural chemicals, broadly construed" are replaced with "Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to genetically modified organisms, commercially produced agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them, broadly construed."

For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 14:44, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Archived discussion

What scientific, verifiable proof do you have that RT is a propaganda station?

Just curious, would love to see the sources for myself, since no one else certainly has. Solntsa90 (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• See , , , and so on ad nauseam. More tot he point, is there any reliable source which credits RT with a neutral position? Guy (Help!) 10:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Hi Guy.There is an individual on the Manitonquat page, Horse Dancing, that I am having a problem with. He seems to have a COI (he interacted with Manitonquat regularly on a personal level up until about 20 years ago and admitted to being in direct contact with him currently) and is vehemently denying any COI. He stated he created an alternate user account to post on Native American topics but has thus far only participated in the Manitonquat article. I posted to his talk page about the COI because it was muddying up other pages and his reply to me was rather insulting. I don't know how to create a COI report or even if one is actually warranted. Could you please offer some advice? Thank you Indigenous girl (talk) 02:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

OneSky

Wondering if you can review my request at WP:COIN#OneSky - removal of COI notice by editor who has a COI. --CNMall41 (talk) 08:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding topic ban of Darkfrog24

I am contacting you because of your involvement in the topic ban that was placed against me. I would like to make the best of the next six months and am requesting your input on how best to do so.

What do you see as the appropriate way to oppose a longstanding Misplaced Pages MoS rule? My own take was to initiate no new threads or RfCs but participate in those started by others (which happens once or twice a year). This clearly was not something that you guys consider acceptable. What do you think I should do instead? Is it just that there was too much of it?

I notice that my offers to engage in a voluntary restriction were not accepted. What would you have seen as more suitable? Is it that I was asking you guys what you wanted me to do instead of making my own guesses?

What can I do over the next six months to give you guys confidence that I can be allowed to return to work?

I am understanding the topic ban to cover both MoS pages, articles concerning quotation marks, and their respective talk pages. Is this the case? Before I became involved, both Quotation marks in English and Full stop contained significant amounts of unsourced material and I am worried that that content will be returned. If I should happen to see such a case, am I allowed to notify someone else that the unsourced material is there?

I also feel that user SMcCandlish was not honest with you and should be treated as an outlier. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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