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Map Accuracy?

The map notes say "India, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia and Sri Lanka:legal for Muslims only," but those countries represent 3/4 colors from the key. At the very least, Sri Lanka's dark blue color contradicts that statement (and Eritrea's contradicts note 2), and it brings into question the accuracy of the map as a whole.

Kobani/Ayn al-Arab

Syria is currently listed as Polygamous marriage performed: Nationwide in the template thing. It's now prohibited in Kobanî. http://syriadirect.org/news/syria-direct-news-update-8-31-15/ 2601:600:8500:B2D9:612B:3A31:E262:B037 (talk) 23:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Anti-polygynous bias

I understand the inclusion of some field data that does indeed prove disadvantage points, but studies that claim economic disadvantages versus "traditional monogamy", "Rawlsian theory" and the original research done by the editors had to be removed. I can understand that some people feel strongly against polygyny, but the opposite side is not even represented in this article (saying it is under-represented is a massive understatement).

It is attested that many widows and orphans have benefited from polygyny in Islamic countries, for which I will try to find proper sources, and most of the Islamic countries bar the ones in the African continent feel fine about the practice per their beliefs (which inherently clash with the Western notion of "human rights" - see Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam). Given that Africa is poor in general compared to the HDI of the Arabian peninsula, the removed studies are inherently flawed. --92slim (talk) 08:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

BLACK

Why do you show polygamous state in black like it was bad thing ??? The marriage is dumbness... Good daye... 87.67.236.218 (talk) 01:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Fixed, along with some inconsistencies and errors in the former map file. --92slim (talk) 06:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Why do you have the prejudice that black is bad? - Nunh-huh 08:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Because it doesn't highlight the countries that it has to, so it's mainly for visibility - this obvious fallacy doesn't pass here. --92slim (talk) 10:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid that doesn't explain "in black like it was bad thing." - Nunh-huh 11:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Because I never said that it was a bad thing, if you haven't realised. --92slim (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

If you and the anonymous user are the same person, you said that you expected bad things to appear in black. If you are not the anonymous user, I wasn't talking to you. - Nunh-huh 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, good bye then. --92slim (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

United Kingdom

One of the recent edits to the page made reference to the UK "Criminal Code", but this is a nonsensical statement - the UK consists of several different constituent states with differing criminal law systems but all are based, to some degree or another, on common law rather than a formal criminal code. References to legal recognition are also not absolute - the source only states that they *might* be recognised, not will. I've removed the statements from the article. ~Excesses~ (talk) 09:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

That's true, but apart from the criminal code phrase, the document clearly states that the polygamous marriages performed abroad by people domiciled abroad are legally recognised. --92slim (talk) 09:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The context is that of a 2008 Parliamentary Question on benefits, and is quoted in the library note to give historical background not as a statement of current law. Legal recognition of foreign marriages is, unsurprisingly, significantly more complicated. This document gives some more detail and although it's hosted on the current government web site, it's exact provenance is unclear which makes me wary of citing it - at best you could say that marriage may be recognised, depending on circumstance. That's an awfully vague statement for an encyclopaedia and remaining silent on the topic seems the sensible approach.

I can't parse the statement "not mentioned as a criminal offense in the United Kingdom" in a way that's helpful in a common law jurisdiction - this appears to be Original Research. ~Excesses~ (talk) 12:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

That document you just provided...have you read section 8? It specifically mentions that it is legally recognised. You haven't provided a document which says it's not, pal. --92slim (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure which part of section 8 you refer to, but the purpose of linking to it was to demonstrate merely that recognition is complex and that the quote currently in the article does not accurately and completely reflect the current situation. The statement "not mentioned as a criminal offense" also still needs a citation. ~Excesses~ (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The criminal code citation comes from the Parliamentary document that you provided in the article, page 5 it says: Polygamy is not recognized as a specific offense by the criminal law. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) does not maintain a record of the number of defendants charged with or convicted of bigamy rather than polygamy (which is a specific offense under the criminal law in England and Wales). I mixed up 'code' with 'law', but the point is that it is not an offense. As for the legality of the marriage, it is specifically mentioned in both documents that it is legally recognized, regardless of the means tested benefits, so I'm not sure I understand your point. Nowhere in the article I could see an ambiguity as for the legality of those marriages. Even though the Government does not approve of them, the first document says on page 4: The law is drafted thus because the Government have no desire forcibly to sever relationships that have been lawfully contracted in other jurisdictions. This should not, however, be construed as government approval of polygamous marriage. The Government do not support polygamous marriage and support the law that prohibits parties from contracting polygamous marriages in this jurisdiction. This, as far as I understand, means that the Government recognizes only marriages contracted abroad by foreigners, and never the ones made by UK citizens or people domiciled in the UK. I don't see a contradiction in the wording that would suggest that those marriages performed abroad aren't recognized. --92slim (talk) 22:17, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

criticism gutted?

I have a hard time believing that there's only 2 paragraphs worth of criticism on this subject. Why has it been chopped down so much?142.105.159.60 (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how much contemporary academic criticism exists on this issue, but according to the Bible imposing monogamy is a Satanic plot against God's Law. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Polygamy not illegal in India

Some people have misinterpreted Supreme Court's judgement in 2015 about Polygamy for Indian Muslims based on incorrect information provided by this IBTimes news article http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/india-bans-polygamy-muslims-not-fundamental-right-islam-1487356. However the Supreme Court never banned polygamy, it only stated that it's not a fundantal part of Islam. I have read about this earlier also. Not only that as of October 2015, the Supreme Court was still considering banning polygamy http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/banning-polygamy/1/511127.html. Hence the assumption of some people that polygamy has been completely banned in India is wrong. Therefore, I ask India to be given green colour to present polygamy is legal for Muslims. I can't understand how to change the colour myself. Thank you in advance. Lakhbir87 (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lakhbir87: Yeah, you're right about that. I've just read both of the sources you gave and even searched about polygamy online. It turns out it never was banned, the court only stated that it was not a fundamental part of Islam. KahnJohn27 (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

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