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I don't know how this article received a rating of GA-class. Although there is a whole lot of information, I would say this article is not very good at all, and should probably be marked with the cleanup, NPOV, andunreferenced tags. There are entire paragraphs that need to be removed. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to override another user's assessment, especially when the assessment is just two days old, and also when it was done by such a prestigious user (User:Plange), so I will leave the rating alone and start editing the article to improve it. I encourage all editors to help me with this article. --Muéro03:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
There are numerous statements in this article that need sources, so I added the unsourced tag. Once again, although I am planning on working on it myself, any help would be appreciated. --Muéro17:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Jaskaramdeep made a good point on his talk page about the video hosted at TSN, but it is moot, since the whole section about one incident in a hockey game is unimportant; my real problem is with videos ripped from copyrighted television broadcasts, uploaded to YouTube, and then posted on Misplaced Pages. I would bet that 99% of videos on YouTube are not appropriate for Misplaced Pages. He has demanded that I list a reason for every word I edit on this page, so here goes:
Edmonton declared their intent in the summer of 2006 by signing the potential franchise player to a six-year contract . Barring unforeseen circumstances, it will see him earn US $24.6 million, sacrifice three years of UFA status, and enter the 2011-12 NHL season as an Oiler. What does "declared their intent" mean? Declared their intent to what? Who says he is a potential franchise player? A source is needed. The sources here have nothing to do with the text, and should be removed. As for the part about sacrificing UFA status, it's really not needed. He signed a deal. It was his choice. It was a business deal, not a gesture to the organization or anything else. Also, anyone can figure out that barring unforseen circumstances, a 6-year deal will last through the 2011-12 season.
Before I get into this, I am going to note that I am a third-year university student. One of my essays was even published by the U (http://www.humanities.ualberta.ca/mmorris/101D2/Strange%20Meeting%20essa%20Jas.htm), so I don't think I'll be conceding any points based on writing skill. "Declared their intent" means just that - they stated to the world their intent of keeping Hemsky around as their cornerstone by locking him up for six years. His teammates, Spector from spectorshockey, and even recently acquired Petr Sykora have stated that with a little work, there's no reason why Hemsky can't be one of the best players in the league. That's where franchise player comes in. Sacrificing UFA status IS really all that important. It is a huge gesture in the new NHL. A similar player - Martin Havlat - absolutely killed the Senators by refusing to sign more than a 1-year deal, so he wouldn't lose his UFA year. For a team who just lost their franchise player in Chris Pronger, and had all the rental players from the cup run leave at the first chance they got (sans Roloson), this is a huge gesture to the team, and to the city. Believe me, when Hemsky does hit UFA status, he's going to get the cap max. You can delete the last part about "barring unforeseen circumstances", in retrospect that's not essential.
The talented playmaker was spotted by North American scouts by year's end, and subsequently became the first selection of the Hull Olympiques in the 2000 CHL Import Draft. "The talented playmaker" is bias/POV and should be removed.
Lol, are you kidding me? Have you even seen the guy play? If Hemsky isn't a talented playmaker, then who is? Sometimes, it is ok to use common sense. He's been called a talented playmaker since the day he was drafted. If that does not describe Hemsky, then nothing does.
Canadian Major Junior Hockey is the primary pool from which the NHL drafts, and young players who perform well in that hockey fishbowl are rarely overlooked. This is extreme speculation and should be removed . . . unless a source is provided.
The Edmonton Oilers had suffered from poor draft choices through the mid-90s, primarily due to chief scout Barry Fraser's refusal to properly utilize his scouting staff . Fans successfully pressured the team to release Fraser when it was discovered in 2000 that he spent most of his time scouting players on videotape in Mexico. Kevin Prendergast was subseqently promoted to fill the vacant role of head scout. This is biased, speculatory, and has almost no relation to Ales Hemsky's life.
I'm going to have to give this comment a giant question mark. I gave a source verifying that Fraser didn't listen to his staff from one of the web's main prospect magazines. I gave a source from a news station thta Fraser spent most of his time in Mexico scouting players on tape, and that fans pressured the team to get rid of him. What more do you want for this to not be "biased and speculatory"? This is very related to the Hemsky article. The Hemsky pick was the first success after a series of first round busts under Fraser (unless Mikhnov actually comes over - something else Fraser failed to consider when drafting).
Prendergast also revealed that the draft in 2001 changed to more of a group effort under his guide. "I think every scout has his own favorite players. Our staff works as a team and whomever the player is that we take, we’re taking him as a team. There might be three or four scouts who don’t like that player but the other nine guys on staff do like him." This is biased, speculatory, and has absolutely no relation to Ales Hemsky's life.
Excuse me? How is a referenced quote from a person a biased, speculatory statement? I am at a total loss at this point. So far, only one of your points have been valid. Again, it is very relevant to the Hemsky article, because he was the first player picked under this new scheme, and it proved to be a success.
as it seems likely that young Hemsky will successfully fill Guerin's role as the Oilers' first-line right winger for many more years than Guerin conceivably could have. Wow . . . this is extremely biased and speculatory.
Guerin is a 36 year old with dropping production and a history of leg injuries while in Dallas. He was not re-signed by Dallas. Hemsky is 22 with no sports-related injuries. He led his team in scoring in his third year in the league. Does 1+1 no longer equal 2? Can we use some common sense please? The statement is not biased as even Flames fans would rather the Oilers have Guerin back instead of Hemsky.
The aim was to give Hemsky every chance to prove himself in the NHL before being relegated to the AHL; hopefully resulting in the maturation of his potential into a star-calibre player. The source provided is barely related to the text here. Also, incorrect use of the word "hopefully."
Although "hopefully" is not used incorrectly (please explain), I do agree that the article can do without this paragraph.
However, there were still many games where he would do very little, then would come from the abyss to make the highlight-reel play. Once again, this has very biased wording, and is not verifiable.
I am beginning to wonder how much Oilers hockey you really have watched. This is Hemsky. That is what he did, like it or lump it. He screwed around for the whole game, then would pick up the puck, undress three guys and take it end to end, then pass it off at the last second and kill the play. This is what everyone refers to when they say that he is "frustrating to watch". For his rookie and sophomore season, that's all anyone saw from Hemsky, whether it sounds "biased" (not sure how the truth is biased though) or not. It is verifiable. Google Hemsky and frustrating, and you'll see millions of accounts of him doing what I described above on message boards, and news stations.
Accompanied by fellow NHL'ers Milan Hejduk (COL), Michal Rozsival (NYR), Jan Bulis (MTL), Petr Prucha (NYR), and Petr Sykora (WAS), Hemsky would return to the Czech Republic This article is about Hemsky. We do not need to list all of his teammates. This makes the article long, and for no good reason.
Delete it
He seemed to have increased his top speed (or possibly was more willing to use it now), while carrying the puck. This is speculatory and would definitely need a source to be included.
Go nuts and delete it then. You haven't watched the two versions of Hemsky, and there's no way to prove it (except by uploading and editing game tape to youtube, which you have some problem with anyways).
However, his improvement during the lockout had many believeing that he made the difficult steps in becoming an elite player while in the Czech Republic, and that it was only a matter of time before he worked the kinks out of his game.Again, this is speculatory (as well as biased) and would definitely need a source to be included.
Opposing teams have also picked up on Hemsky's gamebreaking ability. Several times during the course of the season, players have looked to hit with the intent of hurting him. Mactavish has stated that to his credit, Hemsky is much stronger than he appears . The Oilers as a team had their eyes opened by a blatant attempt to injure Hemsky in Buffalo on January 16, 2006. After Hemsky opened the scoring with a fake on a 2-on-1, Jay McKee would make a play which angered many Oiler players and fans. Hemsky was gaining speed through the neutral zone, looking to break across the Sabres' blue line for another odd-man rush when McKee, realizing he would not be able to catch Hemsky should he pass, stuck his knee out and made contact with Hemsky's. This is a very dangerous play in hockey, and has been the cause of many serious injuries. Oilers captain Jason Smith immediately saw McKee's intent, and charged up the ice after him, prompting the outburst of a full-line brawl. (see TSN's video of the incident) This is extremely biased, speculatory, and almost entirely sourceless. It is also unimportant. It may have gotten the fans riled up for a few days on discussion boards, but it does not make it encyclopedic.
Again, how is recalling past events biased and speculatory? Perhaps you need a dictionary. Go to google and type define:speculatory then define:biased. Did Hemsky open the scoring with a fake on a two on one? Yes. Did he get kneed by Mckee in a way many players have been injured before? Yes. Did Jason Smith see this and react accordingly? Yes. Did everyone get angry? Yes. What is unencyclopedic about it? That you don't remember it? Check out the video in that case. Mckee lines Hemsky up and nearly ends his career. If I take a run at you, and make a violent attack so viscious that your friends come after me, wouldn't that be an important part of your life?
After the Oilers lost game 4 of the Finals to the Hurricanes, Mactavish was again asked if he becomes frustrated when Hemsky opts to pass instead of taking the obvious shot. He was visibly upset when he responded; "Well, you know what I get frustrated with? I get frustrated with the question. And, I mean, you haven't been here all year, and I get frustrated with the question. The guy has led our team in scoring, he's a playmaker, he wins lots of games for us, yet every Tom, Dick and Harry is telling him how to play the game. The guy is a good player, he's a good passer ... he makes plays." As is his wont, Hemsky responded in game 5, ending Edmonton's 4-game powerplay drought by scoring on an uncharacteristic one-timed slapshot from the right faceoff circle. None of this is encyclopedic in any way. This may be the most unimportant quotation on all of Misplaced Pages. If you want, add a sentence that says "Hemsky sometimes opts to pass instead of taking the obvious shot." --but only if a good source is provided.
Lol, talk about ego. "most unimportant quotation on all of wikipedia". And you're criticizing my english? "least important". I think I'll leave it the way it is. Go to edmontonoilers.com and listen to the audio of Mactavish. Everything is fine and dandy in the post-game interview, he seems a little down. Then this no-name guy rips Hemsky, and Mactavish just loses it. That kind of support from a coach is very important to a young player. Look at what Mike Keenan did to the majority of his young players. He ripped them up and down every practise, and killed their self-confidence. Espescially for a player like Hemsky who is just starting to get his confidence about him, to have that kind of support from your coach is worth its weight in gold.
As for my deletion of links to YouTube, it is because the television broadcasts were copyrighted.
So too were the broadcasts on Zinedine Zidane's page. I'm going to go with the assumption that the gang of guys slaving over, and resolving endless disputes on that page since the world cup incident are a little more in the loop than you alone. Jaskaramdeep21:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the above passages for the reasons listed. Once again, I welcome discussion about the article. --Muéro19:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Why do you refuse to work with me? I've conceded some points, but you're giving the impression that it's your way or the highway. I get a very arrogant vibe from you, and I don't appreciate it Jaskaramdeep01:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
After I read your responses, I realized there were two options: 1. Continue to argue on the talk page while having an edit war on the main page or 2. Request many Wikipedians to come and comment, so it is not just two editor's opinions, but many. I think that the second option would result in less stress on everybody. Note that I never said that I was right, you were wrong, or even suggested either. I merely suggested that more comments from more users would be beneficial. Even if a consensus with which I do not agree is reached, I do not mind. I would rather "lose" democratically than to keep arguing forever. In my opinion, the two of us should stop editing this article for a while, and instead let others work on it. I would rather stop a dispute before it gets too heated than wait for things to get out of control. Please, just wait a few days before working on this article again, so others can have a chance to comment. --Muéro01:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
