• Skip to open disputes
• skip to newest thread
• (purge cache)

• Administrators
  • Main
  • Incidents
• Bots
• Bureaucrats
• Centralized discussion
• Closure requests
• Education
• Interface admins
• Main Page errors
• Open proxies
• VRT
• Oversight
• User permissions

• Biographies of living persons
• Copyrights
  • Questions on media
  • Problems
• Dispute resolution
• External links
• Fringe theories
• Neutral point of view
• Original research
• Pending changes
• Reliable sources
• Resource requests
• Scalable vector graphics
• Spam
  • Blacklist
  • Whitelist
• Style
• Titleblacklist
• Translation

• History merges
• Mergers
• Splits
• Moves
• Protection
• Importation
• XfD
  • Articles
  • Redirects
  • Categories
  • Templates
  • Files
  • Miscellany
• Undeletion

• Conflict of interest
• Contributor copyright
• Edit warring and 3RR
• Sanctions
  • Personal restrictions
  • General sanctions
  • Contentious topics
• Sockpuppets
• Usernames (Requests for comment)
• Vandalism

• Arbitration
  • Committee noticeboard
  • Requests
  • Enforcement
• Edit filters
  • Requested
  • False positives
• Questions
  • Help desk
  • Teahouse
  • Reference desk
  • New articles
• Requests for comment
• Village pump
  • Policy
  • Technical
  • Proposals
  • Idea lab
  • WMF
  • Miscellaneous
• WikiProject proposals
• Discussions for discussion

If we can't help you, a volunteer will point you in the right direction. Discussions should be civil, calm, concise, neutral, objective and as nice as possible.

• This noticeboard is for content disputes only. Comment on the contributions, not the contributors. Off-topic or uncivil behavior may garner a warning, improper material may be struck-out, collapsed, or deleted, and a participant could be asked to step back from the discussion.
• We cannot accept disputes that are already under discussion at other content or conduct dispute resolution forums or in decision-making processes such as Requests for comments, Articles for deletion, or Requested moves.
• The dispute must have been recently discussed extensively on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to be eligible for help at DRN. The discussion should have been on the article talk page. Discussion on a user talk page is useful but not sufficient, because the article talk page may be watched by other editors who may be able to comment. Discussion normally should have taken at least two days, with more than one post by each editor.
• Ensure that you deliver a notice to each person you add to the case filing by leaving a notice on their user talk page. DRN has a notice template you can post to their user talk page by using the code shown here: {{subst:drn-notice}}. Be sure to sign and date each notice with four tildes (~~~~). Giving notice on the article talk page in dispute or relying on linking their names here will not suffice.
• Do not add your own formatting in the conversation. Let the moderators (DRN Volunteers) handle the formatting of the discussion as they may not be ready for the next session.
• Follow moderator instructions There will be times when the moderator may issue an instruction. It is expected of you to follow their instruction and you can always ask the volunteer on their talk page for clarification, if not already provided. Examples are about civility, don't bite the newcomers, etc.

If you need a helping hand just ask a volunteer, who will assist you.

• This is not a court with judges or arbitrators that issue binding decisions: we focus on resolving disputes through consensus, compromise, and advice about policy.
• For general questions relating to the dispute resolution process, please see our FAQ page.

We are always looking for new volunteers and everyone is welcome. Click the volunteer button above to join us, and read over the volunteer guide to learn how to get started. Being a volunteer on this page is not formal in any respect, and it is not necessary to have any previous dispute resolution experience. However, having a calm and patient demeanor and a good knowledge of Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines is very important. It's not mandatory to list yourself as a volunteer to help here, anyone is welcome to provide input.

• Volunteers should gently and politely help the participant fix problems. Suggest alternative venues if needed. Try to be nice and engage the participants.
• Volunteers do not have any special powers, privileges, or authority in DRN or in Misplaced Pages, except as noted here. Volunteers who have had past dealings with the article, subject matter, or with the editors involved in a dispute which would bias their response must not act as a volunteer on that dispute. If any editor objects to a volunteer's participation in a dispute, the volunteer must either withdraw or take the objection to the DRN talk page to let the community comment upon whether or not the volunteer should continue in that dispute.
• Listed volunteers open a case by signing a comment in the new filing. When closing a dispute, please mark it as "closed" in the status template (see the volunteer guide for more information), remove the entire line about 'donotarchive' so that the bot will archive it after 48 hours with no other edits.

• To open, replace {{DR case status}} with {{DR case status|open}}
• To close, replace the "open" with "resolved", "failed", or "closed". Add {{DRN archive top|reason=(reason here) ~~~~}} beneath the case status template, and add {{DRN archive bottom}} at the bottom of the case. Remember to remove the DoNotArchive bit line (the entire line).

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40
41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50
51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60
61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70
71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80
81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100
101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110
111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120
121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130
131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140
141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150
151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160
161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180
181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190
191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200
201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210
211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220
221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230
231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240
241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250
251, 252

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Talk:G12 Vision#Low quality .22Concerns.22 section (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Peterl (talk · contribs)
• HalcyonHaylon (talk · contribs)
• 68.204.96.62 (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

User HalcyonHaylon and now IP 68.204.96.62 are removing content that has been worked over extensively. The content is controversial, but has been the subject of much careful editing. The controversial section includes the paragraph:

NOTE: If you are considering removing a link, you MUST provide strong, valid reasons for removing it. That you don't like or agree with the link is not sufficient. This page is regularly patrolled, and unsupported removals (or irrelevant additions) WILL BE REVERTED.

Which has been removed.

The users

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Reverts with explanatory descriptions

How do you think we can help?

Does their behaviour constitute vandalism? I see that they don't agree with the content, but blatant removal of content that they disagree with is not right. If it is considered vandalism, then I would consider blocking appropriate.

Summary of dispute by HalcyonHaylon

Summary of dispute by 68.204.96.62

Talk:G12 Vision#Low_quality_.22Concerns.22_section discussion

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• TeeTylerToe (talk · contribs)
• BilCat (talk · contribs)
• Maury Markowitz (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

There is a longstanding version of the article. Maury Markowitz has removed almost all content in the article about the A-10's predecessor, the development of aircraft like the A-10, any mention of the design influences of the A-10, content about how the air force came up with the requirements for the A-X program and the A-10 design. Along with being common sense this sort of background information can be found on other high quality pages like the F-4 phantom page and the su-25 page. Any attempt to return the article to the status quo is shortly reverted, demonstrably with the changes not even being read, just as an automatic reflex apparently.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I brought this issue up on the talk page. Waited a few days. Nobody objected. Then I reverted the changes.

How do you think we can help?

A lot of the dispute seems to center around a breakdown of communication. At times I ask a series of leading rhetorical questions. At other times I simply state that the article should cover the '45 ww2 A1 because it's the direct predecessor of the A10, and because the AX designs, including the A10 designs were measured directly against the A1. I mention that other articles like the F4 and Su25 article have a similar format. Bilcat claims not to understand, communications have broken down

Moderator opening statement

I've accepted this case as moderator and have reviewed the FE's statement. Awaiting statement from BilCat to proceed. 14:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by BilCat

As I've told TTT twice already, I'm not participating in this, but he went ahead with it anyway. My objections are detailed on the article's talk page. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Maury Markowitz

According to the nom's own statment, I was not involved in this dispute. This is correct, as I only learned there was any discussion on the topic after this DRN was already in-flight, and had no communications with the nom before the DRN was already up. As such, I believe I should bow out of this process. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:44, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Fairchild Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II discussion

• Volunteer note - Comment on content, not ?contributors. This noticeboard is to discussion of article content issues, not editor conduct. Please keep the comments limited to article content. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Volunteer note - There has been adequate discussion on the article talk page. The filing party has notified one of the editors, but not the other editor. The filing party is required to notify all of the other editors. This case is being left open until the other editor is formally notified of the filing here. I am neither accepting nor declining this case. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Volunteer note - A moderator has accepted this case. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Moderator note - all parties have made a statement. Two refuse to participate here; therefore, I have no option but to close this case. 16:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.