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Gary Sheffield article

If anyone has any time can they please check my Gary Sheffield article for grammer mistakes and things like that. Thanks a lot. I'm still in the works of writing it. Spatel2 22:57, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Looked pretty good already. I just tweaked a few things, like moving his pic to a more standard location, adding links to BB terms, other teams and players, and TSN, and fixed one or two typos. Oh, and I added his position and make his birthplace less US-centric. I'm not a big baseball fan and haven't editted many (any?) baseball player bios, so someone who has might be of more help in terms of things like whether it is written in a style consistent with other BB bios on Misplaced Pages--of course, if you've read or editted several you probably already have that down. Niteowlneils 00:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You might want to try Misplaced Pages:Peer Review. ] 15:40, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Wikijunior

I have heard that people are discussing the new Wikijunior project. This is very different from the current Misplaced Pages model, and is more of an example of how we can use the abundant information we have here to serve various diverse audiences. For more information, see here. We're just getting started, and any and every bit of help is needed to make this a wonderful project. Danny 11:45, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Question

I did an edit before I signed up for a user name which ended up being kept on the page - is there any way I can get this added to the "my contributions" bit of my account in retrospect? Fairly insignificant edit, but it would be nice! Thanks. --Jaimzc 09:22, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Changing attribution for an edit. There's usually quite a backlog though since only developers can carry out this task, so if it's just for one edit, it might not be worth the effort. Angela. 13:37, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Not logged in when submitting an article

Hi there all, Misplaced Pages newbie here. I wrote the article on LogicaCMG, expanding it from a stub. I worked on it over a few hours, between doing other things. Anyway, when I submitted it, I was not logged in. I would like it listed in 'my contributions', how can I go about doing this?

Also, if anybody has any comments, suggestions, please feel free to impart them.

James

Log it at Misplaced Pages:Changing attribution for an edit and they'll get around to it.violet/riga (t) 14:50, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Slank

The article on Slank claims that they're one of Indonesia's largest rock bands. I checked allmusic and Ultimate Band List, but no hits in either of them. Nevertheless, the name gets many google hits, plenty in foreign languages. I don't know how to verify this article, and the somewhat fannish writing worried me. How are we to know if these guys are really notable? ] 23:44, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Look at the Indonesian Misplaced Pages. . ] 00:59, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Israel

A filibuster is going on in Talk:Israel. I don't know how to end it. I don't know how to convince someone who is convinced you are wrong. I don't think it is in any way controversial to call the "Occupied Territories" the "Occupied Territories". I don't think I will ever get User:Jayjg to agree. I do think that if some other Wikipedians come in and state their view, that will get jayjg to stop reverting. Palestine-info 01:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You can end it by actually making some valid points for a change that are actually backed up with evidence. Jayjg 19:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

User:Jayjg's POV prevents him from accepting the internationally recognized term "Israeli Occupied Territories". He and his cohorts censor all information regarding the Israeli occupation because the extremist Israeli POV is to describe the territories that Israel occupies as "disputed territories" thus leaving open the possibility that the Jewish state will annex these Arab territories as they have illegally annexed territories in the past. It doesn't matter how much evidence is provided that these terms are widely accepted and internationally recognized. The extremist Zionist POV pushers cannot accept it. They do not want to admit that Israel has illegally occupied territory that goves Palestinian militants a reason to resist Israeli aggression and expansionism. They continuously deny Israel's crimes and atrocities, see Hasbara and Zionist Revisionism for more information. These partisans have created pages entitled Occupation of the Gaza Strip by Egypt and Occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem by Jordan but they refuse to acknowledge any page resembling Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and redirect the Israeli occupation of Palestine to Israeli-Palestinian conflict where the issue is not discussed. --Alberuni 00:18, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Um, nice speech, but it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Jayjg 00:31, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sure it does. Your promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda on Misplaced Pages is the problem. Just look at your User page.--Alberuni 01:14, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

My User page discusses an on-going attempt to fight extremist anti-Israel POVing of Misplaced Pages, of which you are a primary exponent. Jayjg 01:55, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sure, what would Misplaced Pages do without you? You are a self-appointed defender of Israel and promoter of Zionist POV on Misplaced Pages. Naturally, you perceive anyone who does not agree with your efforts to bias articles with your extremist vision to be someone who is promoting an anti-Israel POV. You are not the only political extremist and religious fanatic here. There are about 10 like you, and some of them like User:Lance6Wins and User:MathKnight, are in your little gang pushing your ugly agenda, denying Israeli atrocities, smearing critics of Israel, using Misplaced Pages rules to deceive and distract readers from truths you would rather see concealed. It is repugnant behavior. --Alberuni 05:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Alberuni and the corresponding talk for Alberuni's ad-homs, Holocaust denial, anti-Israelism bordering with anti-semitism, etc. BTW, why still there's no action taken there? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:32, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Alternative medicine

I was trying to archive the talk page but I could only move very small sections. The result is that the page looks very silly, a lot of stuf only exists in the page history and I can't revert the page for some reason. HelpGeni 04:18, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Problems with User:Vitaly

Hi, I recently added some independant comments to an argument that was getting out of hand at talk:Translation. I know find that User:Vitaly has a paranoid theory that everyone who criticises him (or her) is working together and has published a 'press release' on pretty much every page he has had anything to do with (see his user page for a copy). What can I do about this? I am not happy to have my name used in this libelous fashion, but I know that if I simply remove the press releases it will only make matters worse. Should official action be taken against this user? --HappyDog 18:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It may be just me, but I think the 'press release' is worded in such a way that most Wikipedians will view it as unjustified libel (wheather or not it is). I wouldn't worry about it too much. JesseW 10:50, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cheers. Luckily, Vitaly was reasonable enough to modify the press release and remove me (and others) from it after I left a message on his/her talk page. --HappyDog 11:08, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

List of Number 1 singles (UK) split

Move to: Talk:List of Number 1 singles (UK)

WP:CFD cleanup needed

WP:CFD has gotten about a month behind on its cleanup procedure, and the page is getting rather long and unweildy as a result. I just did a first round of cleanup - mostly a large number of very small, quick things. The cleanup process is well documented - the instruction page is linked from the top of the page. In this case it mostly just requires you to judge the outcome of the various discussions and then move them to the appropriate place. It can actually be kinda fun; it just requires someone to sit down and devote some attention to it. -- Beland 03:22, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I did some, until the combination of controvesy and lack of voting or explation wore me down. But don't let that stop you, new person! JesseW 11:15, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Template:CompactTOC2

Can we get an admin to fix this template? The NOTOC reference doesn't actually do anything. The problem has been documented on Template_talk:CompactTOC2, but no response. Thanks. —Mike 05:18, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

Adding sections to a Template page

How an editor sets parameters when invoking any template is poorly documented, and only after spending several hours searching and experimenting, was I able to figure it out. To save time for others, I tried to add some material (now located in Template talk:Book reference) to Template:Book reference, the main page for the template I wanted to use, but when I saved my edit, it (1) spawned several repetitions of itself onto that page when displayed, and (2) caused a table of contents on the page, and (3) also spawned all of the comments (repeated several times) on any Misplaced Pages page that made use of this template. Naturally I removed my additions from the Template:Book reference template page as quickly as possible, and have put them into Template talk:Book reference for safety and the information of others.

Sooooo... how can one put examples and other help onto a template page so that an innocent user looking at that page can take advantage of it, without that additional matter affecting the operation of the template itself? StanZegel 07:41, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Headers which are embedded in templates, etc. cause problems in later editing, in that section editing tends to edit the wrong section. It's usually not a good idea to embed headers in embedded text. RickK 08:20, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

Moving Kitesurf

Could an admin please move Kitesurf to Kitesurfing, it's much more common, and in line with Surfing. Kitesurf should be a redirect to Kitesurfing. -- ] 14:43, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

(--note:this has been solved by someone. ✏ Sverdrup)

Can we use Images from other Wikis?

I'd like to use in the English Misplaced Pages some images that exist in the German and Dutch Wikipediae. I've tried various constructs, but nothing seems to work. I'd like to use, for example Afbeelding:LocatieTexel.png from the Dutch Misplaced Pages on the Texel page. How can I do that? StanZegel 23:05, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You have to save them and re-upload them to the English Misplaced Pages first, but you can use them, assuming that they are public domain or GFDL or whatever (and if they are being used on other wikipedias, then they probably are). I think there is a common area for images being set up, but I don't know if it is working yet. Adam Bishop 04:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See Commons. You can't link to commons images from other projects yet. -- ] 07:00, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

The Commons is now active -- any Misplaced Pages can use any image uploaded there. See the site for more detail. ] 04:59, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

help finding author / photo copyright (subject: Ritter von Leeb)

I am trying to determine the copyright status of the photo of Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on the Misplaced Pages page http://en.wikipedia.org/Wilhelm_Ritter_von_Leeb. I would like to use the photo in a book I'm publishing, but I am not certain if the photo falls under Misplaced Pages's copyright rules. I can find neither an author nor any photo copyright information in the article. Can anyone help me with this?

Thanks very much,

Geoff Megargee gpmega@yahoo.com

The photo is listed as public domain - take a look at that article.

Extract:

While copyright was designed to give a (financial) incentive to the creator, works in the public domain just exist as such. The public have the right to use and reuse works in the public domain without financial or social burden.

violet/riga (t) 11:34, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Getting Started?

How do I get started? Clownfish 18:41, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi and welcome! Take a look at the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial for details of how this all works, or just dive in and be bold editing some pages that take your fancy. Any questions you have, well you're in the right place already! violet/riga (t) 18:46, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

John Cleese information. The cheat from home star runner.

When will their be more John Cleese information? The cheat has a gold tooth. Clownfish 19:13, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Search does not find "Mr. Natural" but it's on the R. Crumb page

I tried to search for "Mr. Natural" and got zero results even though the character is mentioned in the R. Crumb article. Is there a way to insure that a search for "Mr. Natural" will get a hit on the R. Crumb page? Dennis (talk) 21:33, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Searching for "Mr Natural" (no .) finds a few articles, but "Mr. Natural" doesn't. It would appear that the "." causes problems in searches. violet/riga (t) 21:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pronunciation guide? Need UK heteronyms, too.

I've begun a List of heteronyms, words spelled the same which have different meanings when pronounced differently. Several issues:

1. In the list, showing pronunciation is essential. I can locate no standard Misplaced Pages guide to indicating pronunciation, though. Know of one?
2. I've split the list into American and UK-derivative English, because I expect substantial differences in the list. I don't want to be U.S.-centric, but risk inherent bias by listing the common-to-all-English examples in the U.S. list, and the ones unique to non-U.S. English in another list. Avoiding this will require one who is familiar with two or more idioms, or collaboration--and different category names, I suspect. Suggestions?
3. To get the list going, if you know any often-used non-U.S. heteronyms, drop over and add them, please.

--NathanHawking 22:32, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

I wrote a simple pronunciation markup guide, referenced on the List of heteronyms page. I also created a British version (Pronunciation (simple guide to markup, British)) using the American version as a foundation, but it needs to be extensively edited. (See below.)--NathanHawking 22:35, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

Contents list for page

Hi, I'm new to this but have done some minor edits on pages others have put up & done a few pages of my own.

I'd like to do a contents list for one of the pages Chew Valley Lake which has several sections. I've looked in help etc & can't work out how to do this.

Any help appreciated.

Rod

When an article has 4 headers it automatically puts in the Table of Contents at the top. I've added "==Location==" near the top and this has put in a ToC for you. For your information the article may be a little "Point Of View" at the moment (describing things as beautiful where some may disagree) but I'm sure someone will change anything they feel needs it. Thanks for your contributions - they're very welcome. violet/riga (t) 11:32, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

when do changes appear?

I've tried adding a link to a page in "Jainism". After saving the page, my new link (to a page that does not yet exist) does not appear in blue/red.... Is there a delay before this new link is updated?? Thanks

The link you tried to make is not valid wiki markup. You did this:

] shows as jain temples--''derasars''

You might have meant one of the following, or something similar:

] ] shows as jain temples derasars

] (]) shows as jain temples (derasars)

] (derasars) shows as jain temples (derasars)

Basically the ''derasars'' part makes derasars italic and stops link from working. Hope that helps, if not you could try the help pages. violet/riga (t) 22:38, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Forgot username and password

Sorry for this newbie-ness... I created a user name and password, and successfully logged in and edited a couple of articles. Now I am unable to log back in, I don't remember the login name.

Some data: my name is Gonzalo Diethelm, and my e-mail addresses (under which I would be registered) are gonzalo.diethelm@aditiva.com and gonzalo.diethelm@diethelm.org.

The likely usernames would be gdiethelm, gonzalo.diethelm, gonzalodiethelm, gonzo, gonzus.

Please help by replying to my e-mail address. Thanks,

Gonzalo

Have you tried the "email a new password" button with all of the above usernames? If not, please try that. JesseW 11:19, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you've tried emailing yourself a password and that didn't work, ask if a developer can help at m:Non-development tasks for developers. You'll need to be able to prove you really are that user though. Angela. 11:09, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Article needs a language-oriented British-English speaker or two

• Pronunciation (simple guide to markup, British) needs a language-oriented British-English speaker or two to convert the very nice American beta version copy of this I've placed there as a foundation. Needs someone willing to watch it, too, especially after other articles begin to reference it.--NathanHawking 07:32, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

Jeans

Could somebody take a look at Jeans? An anon has been spending a lot of time adding weird information about "jeans and water rescues". It seems like more User:Glogger weirdness. RickK 21:39, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

I think I found spam, but am not sure. Help.

In Prostitution in Nevada, I think I found some spam. But I dont realy know what it is. I want to bring it to your attention. It was made by user Special:Contributions/68.70.45.158 and here is the revision in which that user added it http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Prostitution_in_Nevada&diff=6509923&oldid=6509892. I dont know what to think of it, but it seems some kind of add or spam or PR statement or something. I am semi-new to wikipedia, so can someone also tell me where I should post this kind of stuff (group/public opinion if it is vandalism/spam or not?)? also what is the wiki way with ] to link to old revisions or histories? Patcat88 23:02, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Definitely spam (they added it twice, too). Might someday be notable, but isn't now and if it were we wouldn't cover it in such a promotional manner. I've deleted it.

You did a perfectly good job here of linking the change. If you want to link a particular version rather than a change, just bring up that version and copy the resulting URL. -- 23:47, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

Restore History pages

The site Kultur was changed to a title and then rechanged. I created the page but I don't see my name in the list. Can an admin restore or add back on the original history page of the article. Thanks.

And also the site anarcho-syndicalism. I know that I added quite a few things to the page but the history does not show it. I beleive it was first called anarchosyndicalism not anarcho-syndicalism. Can those two histories be merged also. WHEELER 00:35, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fair Use

I have a copy of the Socialist Equality Party platform, which has a biographical blurb on Bill Van Auken and Jim Lawrence. Is it okay for me to copy it directly if I state the original source?

Oh, and while this question is being answered, could anyone tell me if it is possible to change the case of my username to all lowercase? "Lvlarx" just gives the wrong idea... lvlarx 03:23, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

No. Misplaced Pages text has to be GFDL, and fair use doesn't qualify. Read the bio, take notes on the salient points, and write it up in your own words. —Steven G. Johnson 03:14, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

It would be better to use a range of sources rather than relying only on the SEP bio to avoid the likelihood of bias.

You can't change your name to lower case on the English Misplaced Pages. All pages and user names start with a capital letter. Angela. 11:14, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Hemel Hempstead

I may be wrong, but I could have sworn there was a Talk:Hemel Hempstead page a few weeks ago. Am I going mad? Is there a way to check if there ever was such a page, and if so, why it go deleted?Graham 05:02, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Look at the Misplaced Pages:Deletion_log and it's archives... JesseW 11:21, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Template: Contemporary Philosophers

The Template: Contemporary Philosophers was deleted but was not cleanly removed. Many articles that were using this template still have the template in place.

Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Contemporary_Philosophers

I do not know if the template was deleted just because or something else, but if it did go through a tfd process, then I would think that the template would have been removed cleanly. --] 10:06, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As I said to the above question, look at Misplaced Pages:Deletion_log, find the entry for it(if it's there) (and find info on it at WP:VFD also, if possible, and post it here. That will help people understand what happened. JesseW 11:23, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Template:Influential Western Philosophers

Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Influential_western_philosophers has the same problem as the previous template. Does anyone have some kind of removal text robot or something that makes the removal of certain text easier? (I don't know what kind of tools admins have access to... just asking...) --] 10:20, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I believe I deleted them. They went through the normal tfd process. I've listed them at Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion#Remove_Entirely so they can be orphaned.--Jiang 05:51, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Need Sysop assistance against vandalism

The page 2004 U.S. election in progress is undergoing a current wave of vandalism from more than one IP address. TimothyPilgrim 17:49, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Need admin assistance on Michael Badnarik

Hi, could someone please copy the source of this edit and place it at the end of the intro to Michael Badnarik, if you feel it is NPOV and justified? Due to edit warring the page is protected, but consensus on Talk:Michael Badnarik is that we'd like to get the results into the article. I will not make the change since I'm involved in a dispute related to that article. Here's the text:

According to USA Today, as of 3:52 p.m. November 3rd, with 99% precincts reporting, Badnarik received 377,199 votes, or 0.33% of the popular vote. He did not win any states' electoral votes.

Thank you in advance. Rhobite 21:06, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Worth noting, Rhobite insisted on making the change himself initially until he was reminded it was another abuse of power in his new administration. Rhobite is unfit to administer Misplaced Pages. Reithy 21:13, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

That is a lie. I changed the tense of two verbs but never planned to make a substantial change myself. I was in the process of writing my request when you began harassing me about perceived "abuses of power." Rhobite 21:19, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Worthwhile checking the history of the Talk page where Rhobite first proposed to make this change. He clearly intended to do it himself until held to account. He had already made some changes of this highly contentious, protected page. It is a classic abuse of power. Now he is throwing around personal attacks, even calling me a liar as above. The facts show otherwise. Reithy 21:27, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

How to advertise a policy issue?

I have proposed a Misplaced Pages Simple Guide to indicating pronunciation. The proposal has been:

• described in the Misplaced Pages space, Misplaced Pages:Pronunciation (simple guide to markup, American);
• listed on Category:Policy thinktank.

Are there any other ways of advising language-oriented Wikipedians of this proposal and eliciting their advice and participation? --NathanHawking 21:37, 2004 Nov 3 (UTC)

• • right here is a good place. you can also look through the history of related articles for editors that seem to be what you are looking for, and send a message to their talk page.Pedant 09:52, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

List of songs with the name of a musical act in their title

Hello. I would like to draw attention to what has almost descended into a reversion war between myself and BladeSteve.

BladeSteve created the page on List of songs with the name of a musical act in their title, it was put on VfD - Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/List of songs with the name of a musical act in their title.

I proposed that the page should be kept, but it needed clear restrictions. Having been bold and included these restrictions, BladeSteve has ignored and changed them to include his own choice of what should go in the page.

He has also removed the vfd notice from the page on several occasions, at the time I am posting this, the vfd notice is absent.

He directed abuse at another Wikipedian on the vfd page. "Siroxo.. I think you should learn to spell correctly before criticizing other people's work."

I do not want a revert war, but I do not know what to do in this situation. That is why I am hoping to gain support from administrators and hopefully also, other ordinary Wikipedians.

It is mine and some other people's opinions (see vfd entry) that if we add songs in the way that BladeSteve wants, the list will become meaningless and unmanageable.

SimonMayer 23:09, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to get drawn in really, but having reviewed the page, I do agree with you. Listing titles that simply contain words that accidentally happen to be the name of a musical act is rather pointless. How can I help? Graham 01:13, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How can you help? .... By keeping out of things. Below is a quote from you or have you forgotten? BladeSteve

"Well, I've been footling around here for a few months now, and a couple of things have struck me. First, it definitely pays not to get caught up in other peoples' controversies. Life's too short! If you can't settle the Arab-Israeli conflict in real life, you ain't gonna do it here. So I'm trying to make it a personal policy to simply keep out of it - I usually have an opinion, but it's not worth more than anybody elses, so I'll keep it to myself"

http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~links/PHPbb/images/smiles/rant2.gif

Sorry to disappoint you Steve, but that's not the way things are done around here. When you've been here as long as I have and have made as many contributions as I have you might be in a position to criticise, but by then you'd also have realised that just ain't how it works. Simon asked for help. I reviewed the article in question and I agree with his viewpoint. You can argue your point, but telling someone to keep out of it when they were invited in a public forum is seriously bad form. I suggest you review Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette and also a number of other pages regarding resolution of disputes on the community pages. I see you've only been here since the 28th October this year (at least with this login) - I think you need to get used to things a bit before throwing your weight around. Many WP contributors suffer fools gladly; I'm not one of them. There are many even less tolerant, so I respectfully suggest you watch your step. Graham 02:40, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

And I'll stick my nose into this too. First, if you edit an article, your IP address is part of the edit, so you aren't as anonymous as I suspect you think you are. Second, what you post on wikipedia can be read for a long time to come, by virtually anyone in the world, so it can be embarrassing and difficult to live down a flagrant display of bad manners. Third, This particular page is sort of like the town square. If you are going to act like a jerk, this page is the perfect place to do it... if you want everyone to notice you acting like a jerk. Remember, this is a community, not just something that pops up on your screen when you press the magic button. Even in an anarchy, there are consequences to antisocial behavior. And rewards for community service. Which way are you headed? Pedant 10:07, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

Bubba Cola.

When I looked up Bubba Cola I found nothing. Where is the information on Bubba Cola? Clownfish 18:13, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Can't say I've ever heard of it (and Google has only 219 results). There certainly isn't a Misplaced Pages article about it so you could create one. With such a low Google rating though is it really that well known and deserving of an article? violet/riga (t) 20:39, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I know Bubba Cola! It's the store brand distributed by Save-A-Lot. And it's just a store brand of cola. There's nothing special about it that I know about. Tastes more like RC than Pepsi or Coke, for what that's worth. - RedWordSmith 03:22, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

How can I edit my signature to get a link to my talk page?

Since some of you posting here have this after your user name, I presume this is possible. What is the trick to do it? --Rfgdxm 20:25, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have:

violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)

Notice the lack of opening and closing ]] and [[ - this makes violet/riga (t)

Basically it automatically adds "]" at the end. violet/riga (t) 20:37, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For whatever reason, that trick isn't working for me. :(

--Rfgdxm 21:14, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Try adding:

Rfgdxm]] [[User_talk:Rfgdxm|(talk)

into the Your nickname (for signatures): in the preferences. Hopefully that should work for you. violet/riga (t) 21:19, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK, I cut and pasted that exactly, and it accepted that as my nickname. Let's see if it works.

--Rfgdxm (talk) 21:28, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hooray!

King fisher.

Where did the king fisher come from? Kingfisher 20:59, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Not entirely sure what exactly you're after. Have you looked at the Kingfisher article? violet/riga (t) 21:10, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I believe they are from Africa originally. NOT SURE, though... Pedant 09:46, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

Album covers- Fair Use or Not?

Am interested to know whether album/CD covers are generally OK under fair use for copyright ? I suspect they are but I looked at fair use guidelines and they seemed not to be. Any thoughts? Reithy 02:05, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

My guess is yes if used here at Misplaced Pages. I'd be shocked that the record companies haven't waived copyright in the case of non-profit use of this sort. For them, it's free advertising of the product if an album cover appears on Misplaced Pages. However, selling posters with the album cover would be a different kettle of fish.

--Rfgdxm (talk) 03:13, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Depicting an album cover in an article about the artist or album, or something closely related, is certainly fair use: newspapers and magazines do it all the time. Using that album art in an unrelated context is probably not fair use. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:32, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums decided a long time ago that album covers used an an article about that artist or album is fair use. The {{albumcover)) template should be added to the image description page to make these easy to find and filter. ] 05:14, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Setting Article Start Page.

Hello, I'm relativly new to your site and I would like to know if there is a way to set where your main focus is once you login to the Misplaced Pages site. For instace; When I logon I would like to go to the technical articles section. If this is posssible please get in touch with me with instructions on how I can complete this task.

If not, thank for your time, and , this is agreat informational site.

You can bookmark (add to favourites) the page of your choice and go straight to that article. You can't, however, change the default page you go to when typing in www.wikipedia.com. violet/riga (t) 17:52, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You can make the page your home page though. In internet explorer its like tools>internet options>general. just copy the url from the address bar and paste it in. or maybe better, you can put any links you like at the top of your user page... your user page is one click from anywherePedant 09:43, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

6 men with the same exact name

I made a disambig page for John Chambers (I just randomly picked him from the most requested articles page). There are seven different men I've found named John Chambers, and only one of them has a middle name. Is there a standard for how I should title the articles for the other six?

So far I've just used their professions, like John Chambers (politician) and John Chambers (bishop).
- Lifefeed 19:13, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

That's more or less how it's done, yes. Carry on. —No-One Jones  19:19, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you know which John Chambers these links should point to, please fix those when you make a disambiguation page. Angela. 13:39, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Graphic for {{tutorial}}

The Misplaced Pages:Tutorial menu template has been revised to look like {{WikipediaFAQ}}. Now it just needs a gnifty graphic like the FAQ's. Are there any graphics people willing to take this on? Amgine 03:19, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Latin Union

I edited Latin_Union a while back and recently edited it again after having found that its most recent wiki had incorrect information. I decided to start a Talk:Latin_Union about it hoping the anonymous person editing the wiki and myself could resolve it. However, this proved to be futile as the person has edited it once again (under 'Member States', last 2 paragraphs), which actually details information that is contradictory to what is cited at the official Latin Union website. Since I'm somewhat new at this I've been led here by a fellow Wikipedian to ask for assistance, so what exactly do I do from here? Thanks in advance. --Erehtsti 04:01, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've reverted the most recent edit, but this needs further attention. (dynamic IP, false information, multiple reverts, no discussion, no attempt to reach consensus) block this user ?Pedant 04:35, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

It's apparently an ISP cache proxy so can't be blocked. If it continues, you can ask for the page to be protected at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection. Angela. 13:32, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Move page

I need an admin to move a page for me, the page is Mills mess which is incorrect as it is a title (the name of a juggling trick, which is sometimes called just 'The Mess') and should be listed in Title Case, unfortunately, due to my thorough job of redirecting, Mills Mess is a redirect page. Apparently deleting the content of the page does not delete the page itself, so I need an admin to use their superpowers and either

delete Mills Mess

or

move Mills mess to Mills Mess

thanks. sorry to be a bother.Pedant 04:12, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

This is now moved. I noticed Boston mess is still in lower case though. Should that be moved too? Angela. 13:37, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Some templates I would like to see

I am looking for the following templates. If they exist, please let me know. Otherwise, I plan to create them:

• tag section as npov disputed (as opposed to entire article)
• tag text in article as outdated

--Jiang 05:57, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Accuracy dispute. It's not exactly what you're looking for, but it might be a good place to start. Also look for the page which discusses "As of {year}" phrases; I think that's used to deal with outdated stuff... Finally, when you do create the tags please set up a page explaining them, explaining how to add them to pages, and providing a link to a category(with description that links back to the explanatory page) which lists the items with the template on them. You should also add it to the various lists of collaboration resouces. (I'm currently working on cleaning up these lists, so this may change in the near future.) JesseW 08:20, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Animations

Out of curiosity (not knowing what it meant)I had a look at the section Mills mess a couple of entries above. I am awestruck by the animation there showing the movements of the ball. How was this done? I can see many applications for this technique in demonstrating simple mechanical movements relating to technology articles. Just having a 2D reproduction of an image is not always very useful, whereas a moving simple wireframe outline would get over the action much better. I am thinking of various configurations of steam engines, and pioneering textile inventions such as the flying shuttle. Are there any more Misplaced Pages pages which have this? Apwoolrich 15:59, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I can't say for sure how it was done but there are numerous programs that allow animated GIF images to be created. Perhaps you could ask Gtabary (go to the talk page) which method was used. I do agree that it's fantastic to see animations rather than still images. violet/riga (t) 16:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

According to the french copy of the image, it was made using Juggling Lab. - 17:27, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

helphelphelphelp

I FOUND bilingual dictionaries, did not register the address (I know, I know, smart) & now cannot find them again.

So Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez where can I find them, as well as speciaized dictionaries and all the other neat stuff?

Many thanks in advance

crazyjane

There are none associated with Misplaced Pages, but there are a good number of bilingual dictionaries on the Internet. What languages are you concerned with? -- Jmabel | Talk

Wiktionary: is Wikimedia's dictionary and many of the pages there include translations and words in other languages. See Wiktionary:Frei or Wiktionary:English#Translations for example. Angela. 22:18, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Where is the article gone?

I got quite confused when I was checking the english reference of my german article about the National Unions of Students in Europe the article was disappeared. Without any comments or discussion?! The only thing left is an entrance from the author about copyright in the discussion section. It was a good article and there for about three weeks now, can anyone tell what happened to it? It looks like deletion but there was no VfD as far as I could see.... --Fairfis 00:36, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was listed as a copyright violation on October 16th and deleted as via process. RickK 01:04, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

When does trivia become nonencyclopedic?

How do we decide if something has just gone overboard into the area of triviality? I'm specifically talking about Beachwear, Dundas Square and Jeans. There is a lot of really strange information in these articles. RickK 07:08, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

Editing problem

I edited a few bits of the article on FLCL, just correcting a few things which I am 100% positive are true. But now, it seems someone has changed it back.

Can someone tell me what's going on?

You might want to discuss it with User:Garrett Albright, who reverted your changes as incorrect. RickK 00:27, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Can somebody with sysop powers please...

...delete the image Sinergy.jpg from the database? It's an irrelevant image of an article that I have now fully rewritten (Sinergy) and it was replaced by one with an image with more appropriate naming: Sinergy_(band).jpg --Sn0wflake 03:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Simply list it on Misplaced Pages:Images for deletion, and it will be dealt with. andy 09:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages promotional leaflets needed

Help! meta:Promotional leaflet is currently a machine translation of the German version since we seem to have no such leaflets in English. If anyone is interested on rewriting this in English, please come to Meta and create something that could be given out at a conference next week. People with design skills and the ability to transform it to a PDF are also required. Thanks. Angela. 10:55, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

How far is it possible to read back?

I discovered recently that the article temporal masking was quite incorrect, and had been for over two years (though it used to be under Temporal Masking). After fixing it, I kooked at the history for Temporal Masking, where the oldest edit shown is for Feb. 26, 2002 and is listed as a conversion script's "Automated conversion". I wanted to check to see if the same person who had written Temporal Masking had botched anything else, but I can't seem to find the article's first author. Is there any way to see into the past beyond the conversion script? -- Oarih 11:02, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. See Misplaced Pages:Usemod article histories. —No-One Jones  12:18, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Need help with a locality in Florida

Talk:Lake Butler, Orange County, Florida should say everything relevant. Basically this is part of another town and the lat/long is right in the downtown area. But the statistics should not be simply deleted. -User:SPUI

Never mind, I figured it out. Lake Butler (still a typo on the Census site) is an area completely surrounding Windermere.--SPUI 15:52, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Screwed Up "Bone" ... Could Use Your Help, Please?

I am wondering if someone who can run the Python Misplaced Pages Robot on their system could help solve a disambiguation problem I've created.

When looking at the entry for bone (I learned recently my father has bone spurs by one of his vertebrae), I noticed that the bottom of the article had disambiguation references to other 'bone' entries in Misplaced Pages.

I wanted to create a disambiguation page to handle these references, so I renamed bone as "bone (Human Anatomy)" and then made 'bone' a disambiguation page that contained the text of the disambiguation references that were at the bottom of the original entry, plus a reference to the new "bone (Human Anatomy)" reference. I think I also screwed up in that (Human Anatomy) was supposed to be all lowercase, wasn't it?

However, I then came across the part in the disambiguation reference that says, "You rename it, you fix the links." And bone has about umpteen-zillion links. (Well, 352.) I unfortunately can't invest the effort in visiting each of those pages manually.

Rather than plod through all of them using the web interface, since i have Mac OS X, I downloaded and attempted to run the solve_disambiguation.py tool. However, I learned when beginning the process that Mac OS X's Python can't use that tool, since it doesn't have the _tkinter module.

Can anyone who's successfully used solve_disambiguation.py on their system run it to fix my mistake? I'm getting rid of a couple books and DVDs ... if any of the titles interest you, I could send it to you as a 'thanks' for fixing my mistake. If you end up fixing my goof, let me know and I can discuss arrangements with you.

I apologize to the community. I did not seek to do harm, but actually inteded to do good. Lesson definitely learned on this one. I really like Misplaced Pages, as I like both writing and editing ... hope this doesn't get my butt kicked to the curb.

WCityMike 16:27, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

I've simply moved your disambiguation page to bone (disambiguation), moved the anatomy article back to bone, and added a link at the top of that page to the disambiguation page. As the human anatomy one is the most frequently used meaning (as evidenced by the huge nos. of links to "bone"), that should remain at "bone".

You could still skim through those links to see if some should be directed elsewhere - or else just wait for people browsing incorrect links to see the notice at the top of the page (and appropriately change the link they followed). zoney ♣ talk 16:46, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, very much, for the fix. WCityMike 04:17, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Bowen

Suggest Bowen (disambiguation) replace Bowen Thortful 05:14, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My daughter is 13 years old and attends a local dance school, she has been given a song to sing and I am trying to find the words and music as she has been told she is not singing it in key.

I have been told the title of the song is called Carnival(e), but no one can tell what film/musical it has come from.

Can anyone help, please?

Disambiguation

How do you change a page from being simply a page with links to the meanings of that word to being an actual disambiguation page? Example:FFC

Just adding {{disambig}}, which you've already done, is enough. A disambiguation page isn't marked as anything special in the database (unlike redirects), so there's nothing you actually need to to make it a disambiguation page. Angela. 19:05, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Numerical sorting for categories

Is there any way to make Category:Florida State Roads sort properly, with 9A before the rest? Wow, I can't link to it or it puts this page in the category.--SPUI 21:15, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For each article in the category, add the sort key after the categorisation. I've done this for 9A for you, just look at the diff of what I've done.-gadfium 21:25, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I saw that, but that puts 9A in with 9x, 9xx, and 9xxx routes.--SPUI 21:40, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think I got it - I put the whole number including leading zeros after the category. This leads to the headings in the category page being almost useless, because there are so few four-digit roads, but it's sorted properly.

OK - I solved that too, except that there's now a mysterious A heading. --SPUI 21:48, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think you must now understand how it works as well as I do. To link to a category without including the page in the category, use a leading colon in the link, as follows ] which appears as Category:Florida State Roads.-gadfium 21:56, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adding whitespace around tables (I think)

Could someone smarter than myself please figure out how to add some extra white space around the last 3 (out of 4) pictures in the Nez Perce article? Unlike the first picture, which is the easy to understand "thumb" type and which seems to automatically preserve a nice amount of white space, the last 3 pictures seem to be embedded in tables, and the text of the articles bumps right up against them. 4 or 5 pixels of white space should be preserved horizontally, I should think. (And a link to a description of how to do tables (or, better, all Misplaced Pages-specific tags) would be appreciated.) Thanks. Tempshill 21:44, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I converted the images to Wiki syntax style, so they now have frames and whitespace and the original captions. --Whosyourjudas (talk) 01:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Looks far better, thanks. Tempshill 01:33, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Can I put a link to category page in my user page

I've tried to put a link to category:business in my page, but i don't want my page to be categorized as one of business article. Is there any other way to write the linking? Thank You...Roscoe x 16:29, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

use the url like this http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Business Geni 18:03, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

a better way is ] which shows the link as Category:Business violet/riga (t) 18:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Links to a new category are still edit: links?

I created Category:Korean War veterans, but the links I have made to it remain red. They lead me to an edit form for a 'new' category, but the current category members are simultaneously displayed on the edit page. Ground 19:29, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You need to create the page, putting it into categories itself (such as War Veterans or whatever relevant categories there are) and including a description of what the category is. violet/riga (t) 19:33, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pectin found in yogurt?

I looked on a yogurt cup and saw pectin. Is that enough information for someone to add pectin as something in yogurt? Kingfisher 19:53, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Some packaged yogurt contains pectin, but it is not a necessary ingredient. And yes, an ingredients label should be a citable source. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:54, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Editing war

Hello, I have just joined Misplaced Pages and have edited only a couple of pages. I am finding that one of the pages I have changed keeps being changed back again by someone to his preferred version. I feel that my version contains more information, is more accurate, and has more explanatory power. I have written a compromise between our positions but he doesn't want that either. What is the best way to resolve an editing dispute like this one?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Candi (user name: SlimVirgin) slimvirgin@gmail.com

If you will indicate what article, someone will certainly take a look at it, but there is no way to tell from what you've written here. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:53, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. The article is Pan Am Flight 103 at http://en.wikipedia.org/Pan_Am_Flight_103 The latest version of the page is the version I feel is more accurate. If you scroll to the end of the discussion page for that article, you'll see what the dispute centers around. The writer I am in dispute with is moriori. Candi (SlimVirgin)

minor copyvios in history of good article

Roy Wilkins seems to have some minor copyvios in its history, although the current article is apparently fine. I'm not sure how to deal with this and still stay within GFDL with reference to acknowledging contributors. Can someone with more expertise take a look at this? Between the article's history and talk, it should be possible to get a pretty clear picture of what happened. Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:52, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

No Count Olaf page?

Why not? Kingfisher 22:06, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Categorization question

Per CFD, Category:Cleanup should be merged into Category:Misplaced Pages cleanup. However, most (if not all) articles in the first category are in it because of Template:Cleanup. However, the template has been updated to the new category, and the pages reflect this. Yet Category:Cleanup still lists numerous articles. Is there some way around this? Maybe a mass cache purge, if this is doable? I'm confused by it. --Whosyourjudas (talk) 22:13, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)