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p.s. As to your specific question, editors will sometime's revert other edits if they disagree with them. On a controversial topic like Jews for Jesus such reversions will be very common, especially if an editor has made major edits which with little or no explanation. Very often on controversial topics it is best to make changes and then if they are reverted discuss them on the talk page or to discuss potential changes on the talk page before making the changes. JoshuaZ 21:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

Please try to avoid violating 3RR or you may be reported and blocked. Use talk pages to discuss your changes. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens 01:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You were warned and still you chose to violate 3RR. Here is your last chance to self-revert and regain good faith. ←Humus sapiens 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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3rr on Jews for Jesus

I've blocked you for 8 hours for 3rr on Jews for Jesus William M. Connolley 10:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

OK... try 24h then William M. Connolley 19:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re your mail... you may be under the impression that the previous block "cleared" your revert count. It didn't William M. Connolley 19:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re your other mail... you want WP:DR; first step is extensive discussion on the talk page. William M. Connolley 20:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

ParadoxTom, the thrust of the Neutral Point of View policy is not that Misplaced Pages should steer clear of controversy and present only material it considers "neutral", but that it should fairly present all major points of view in a debate. Particularly in a debate about religion, religious points of view and theological content are definitely considered appropriate content, as long as these points of view are reliably sourced. This may have been the source of some misunderstanding. It's considered inappropriate to omit a source because one believes it "prejudiced" (that is, one disagrees with it). The intent of Misplaced Pages is to present the full spectrum of opinion, including disagreeable as well as agreeable ones, as long as the opinions are notable and significant. This makes it somewhat different from a standard encyclopedia. Best, --Shirahadasha 19:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

One last thought -- particularly on highly controversial topics, you might be better off presenting proposed changes on the talk page for discussion rather than making them directly to the article. Many of these articles have undergone long discussions where people have agreed to specific language, and the result is that edits by people who haven't participated in the discussion or more likely to get reverted. --Shirahadasha 20:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

And that would be fine; but every time one of us makes even a minor edit that does anything other than argue the view that Jews for Jesus are unambiguously Christian--even when we do so little as to put a 'disputed' tag on the top of the page--within seconds the page is reverted. JfJ was my first edit on Misplaced Pages; I am a disinterested party (neither Christian nor Jewish); and I can tell you that, as an objective matter, the article is factually inaccurate and instead of being empirically enlightening, it is a statement of religious doctrine. And indeed, every member of this instantly-reverting cabal is a Jew according to their user page. I am willing to assume good faith, but not maintain it in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Jews have animosity towards Jews for Jesus--and perhaps rightly so. But that animosity does not give them the right to essentially vandalize a page because it contains true information that they wish was otherwise. The article is POV because it admits NO dissenting views; any additions are immediately removed. It's as if I filled the Adolf Hitler page with laudatory comments about him referenced from white supremacy websites, and then sat by my computer to revert the article if anyone meddled with it. It's just nuts.ParadoxTom 20:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)