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September 9

Template:Mass airports

• Template:Mass airports (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, and redundant to Template:MA Airport, which is better way of presenting the same information. NSH002 (talk) 19:28, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:P/s & Template:S/c

• Template:P/s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:S/c (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These templates produce section links: {{p/s}} producing full links and {{s/c}} producing in-page links. They are used almost exclusively on pages related to English grammar. They are redundant to {{section link}}, which is both more clearly named and much more widely used (over 24k transclusions, compared to <100 for these combined). Moreover, {{p/s}} styles its links differently, using a colon (":") rather than a section symbol ("§") to separate page title and section; I believe a section symbol to be preferable. I assert that it would be an improvement to replace uses of these two templates with either {{section link}} or manual wikilinks (for some instances of {{s/c}}). Since that improvement would orphan these templates, I'm filing this TfD to establish consensus for these replacements first. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 16:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:EnciclopediaDeiPapi

• Template:EnciclopediaDeiPapi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-English parameter names (apparently in German, though the target site is Italian). Could be kept if translated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

• Keep and translate parameters. This will eventually link every pope to this Italian source. I can translate the parameters and I don't think that will affect those of us importing data from German Misplaced Pages where they use this en masse. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Piperazines

• Template:Piperazines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I propose that this template, which seems to be listing ALL drugs of a certain chemical class, be deleted. It

• Is not navigationally useful
• Is extremely large
• Acts as a list
• Can be easily duplicated (and probably is) using categories
• Contributes to pointless navbox sprawl

I propose that this template is deleted and instead we use categories and subcategories to represent this content. I propose this move speculatively and look forward to hearing the opinions of other users Tom (LT) (talk) 09:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Keep as a pharmaceutical chemist not involved in the creation, I find it very useful. If you don't like it, you can always hold an RFC to have it collapsed by default. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure the template is all that useful. Even though it is large, it only includes a small fraction of the >300 Misplaced Pages articles about piperazines. I don't know why some are included and most are not. To be useful, I think it would need to be focused in some way. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:58, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Delete: The template isn't divided by relevant topics. I agree, it acts like a list. It looks like just an arbitrary proper subset of piperazines. For mentioning all pages we have on piperazines, a list or a category are better. Mario Castelán Castro (talk) 14:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC).

Template:External link

• Template:External link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created in 2009 and still labelled "currently for experimental/testing purposes only." Has 1,898 transclusions (a tiny, tiny proportion of our external links), mainly through its use in templates.

In {{Bugatti}}, for instance it uses {{external link|http://www.bugatti.com/|Bugatti Automobiles official website}} where , which has 16 fewer characters, would suffice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Delete For bots that work on external links (there are many) it would require special handling to parse the template and write it out. My guess is most bots don't know this template exists and the links are passed by unprocessed (such as dead link and archive checkers). The template has no option for |archiveurl= for example if a link is dead. If an external link template is used, preferably it would be {{cite web}} which is better supported by the CS1 standard (including by third party tools). In fact, recommend making the conversion for the 1898 instances with a bot, in {{Bugatti}} to see how they compare:

• {{external link|http://www.bugatti.com/|Bugatti Automobiles official website}}

Template:External link

• {{cite web |url=http://www.bugatti.com |title=Bugatti Automobiles official website}}

"Bugatti Automobiles official website".

Almost exactly the same (the later has "quotes" around the title). This template has some options cite web doesn't but that could be worked out with a bot that does conversions to plain text. BTW I'm having trouble finding where the template is used due to transclusions 'What Links Here' doesn't work. -- GreenC 12:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Comment from template creator. This template came about after discussions such as this, this, and others.
  I marked this template as experimental when I wrote it in 2009. No one has apparently ever felt the need to edit its documentation to remove the notice. If the notice bothers you, please feel free to edit the documentation subpage and remove it.
  The template was never intended to be used in place of simple links that could be produced using brackets. I suggest reading the template's code and documentation. If this template is being used in certain cases where brackets would be more appropriate, then it should be replaced in those cases with simple brackets.
  It's also quite possible this template should be renamed. It has uses, but with its current name, it might be prone to overuse. --Tothwolf (talk) 15:25, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

For example it duplicates {{official}} (158660 count) and most of its features are found in {{web cite}} such as |language=, |subscription=, |registration=, |type= and |format=. It does have a feature |template= which is useful though not sure how widely used and not critical. -- GreenC 15:57, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your arguments are fundamentally flawed. {{official}} does not duplicate the functionality of this template, hence the prior discussions regarding a meta template to handle special case external links.
{{cite web}} also does not duplicate its functionality and should never be nor was it ever intended to be used for general purpose use for external links. Citation templates have a massive amount of overhead compared to much smaller single/special purpose templates which is why we have both. I'm speaking as someone who is intimately familiar with the internal working of the citation templates. --Tothwolf (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:Editnotices/Page/Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery

• Template:Editnotices/Page/Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Blatant violation of Help:Hidden text by telling editors not to add an infobox when there is no existing policy against infoboxes. Editnotices are even more visible than hidden text, and should thus have even stricter guidelines on use. Pppery (talk) 19:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Help:Hidden text is not a policy, but a help page. That said, where was the decision taken that the article should not have an infobox? Generally, an editnotice should have a consensus or policy to back it up. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: It is, however, a proposed guideline which is linked as main article from a guideline. The RfC about making it a guideline seems to have general support. Pppery (talk) 19:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, it isn't a policy yet and I am wary of using not-yet ratified policies/guidlines as arguments for anything. That said, I presume Talk:Hannah_Primrose,_Countess_of_Rosebery#Infobox is supposed to be the discussion that justifies the edit notice? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

• Delete as contrary to WP:5P. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. There have been edit wars over even keeping a hidden comment in the article text stating there's no consensus for an infobox yet. This edit notice was intended to get rid of the hidden comment. This went through A-class review and FA review without the addition of an infobox, and there's rather clearly no consensus to add one at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery, which had the last full discussion related to the infobox issue. The still-in-progress/maybe-never-closed Talk:Hannah_Primrose,_Countess_of_Rosebery#Infobox also doesn't appear to find consensus for an infobox. Because there's been edit warring related to infoboxes on this article, WP:EW justifies encouraging discussion over bold editing in this instance. One more bold edit will spark the next great infobox war; very few editors want that. ~ Rob₁₃ 09:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:1984 Summer Olympics men's football group B standings

• Template:1984 Summer Olympics men's football group B standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template based on deprecated templates, impossible to disambiguate the wrong link to Yugoslavia national under-23 football team The Banner talk 15:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

See also Template:1984 Summer Olympics men's football group C standings The Banner talk 14:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• Impossible to disambiguate a bad link to Germany national under-23 football team in Group C. Narky Blert (talk) 12:58, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

• keep after fixing the links to point to the correct articles. used in more than one article, so why not use a template. Frietjes (talk) 13:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:Zawisza Bydgoszcz squad

• Template:Zawisza Bydgoszcz squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No notable players anymore. Club plays in the 8th tier of Polish football after it went bankrupt in summer 2016. Kq-hit (talk) 19:19, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Kolejarz Stróże squad

• Template:Kolejarz Stróże squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No notable players anymore. Club plays in the 6th tier of Polish football after it went bankrupt in summer 2014. Kq-hit (talk) 19:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Flota Świnoujście squad

• Template:Flota Świnoujście squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No notable players anymore. Club plays in the 6th tier of Polish football after it went bankrupt in summer 2015. Kq-hit (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Dolcan Ząbki squad

• Template:Dolcan Ząbki squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No notable players anymore. Club plays in the 5th tier of Polish football after it went bankrupt in 2016. Kq-hit (talk) 19:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Ruch Radzionków squad

• Template:Ruch Radzionków squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No notable players anymore. Club plays in the 5th tier of Polish football Kq-hit (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Census in Australia

• Template:Census in Australia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Absolutely pointless template with no relevant article links. Australia only has a single article on its censuses with no likelihood that more will be created. The template can be created if enough articles are ever created but, for now, it serves no purpose. Category:Censuses in Australia is currently nominated for deletion for the same reason. AussieLegend (✉) 02:59, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, only two articles which already have links to each other (WP:NENAN) - Evad37  03:13, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• Delete - the articles already link to each other. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• Delete Recreate if and when useable in more then just two places. Aoziwe (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Its a start to the creation of all eventual censuses, frankly the current census article of Australia has hardly any deep information on the detailed censuses for at least the 100 years of Australia. Everything has to start somewhere with people contributing all the time. The US censuses took awhile themselves, doesn't mean they are not article worthy. The current Census in Australia article is for skimming over only, tells you "nothing" about most of the detail. Many other contributors out there can take time and contribute if you cant.Faith16 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:24, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

At this time it is useless. As you've noted, the current article doesn't have any detailed information about most of the censuses, and the article would need significant expansion before we could start splitting out articles for individual censuses. You've put the cart before the horse by creating this template. Navboxes are supposed to provide navigation between related articles, but there is only one article at this time. Other articles need to be created before the navbox. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:Astro list redirect comment

• Template:Astro list redirect comment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Editor-facing content like this template does not belong on redirects. Pppery 02:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Keep ...it does when you have editors unwittingly trying to (unsuccessfully) turn some of the ~20,000+ bot-created redirects into sub-stubs. Abides by WP:NASTRO; this template should only be subject to deletion if and only if WP:NASTRO is modified to its current contrary.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  02:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:2012 AIHL Elite playoffs bracket

• Template:2012 AIHL Elite playoffs bracket (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2013 AIHL Elite playoffs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2015 AIHL Elite playoffs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:AIHLPlayoffs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2011 AIHL Champions Cup Playoffs bracket (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:5RoundBracket-Byes-AIHL14 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2013–14 AIHL Elite Pacific South/Southwest Division standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2013–14 AIHL Elite Mid-Atlantic Division standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2013–14 AIHL Elite Great Lakes Division standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:5RoundBracket-AIHL (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2014 AIHL Elite playoffs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused with no article on this league. ~ Rob₁₃ 00:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)