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SoftPaleColors

Since Grafikm brought SoftPale to the noticeboard, I started a discussion of your indef block, WP:ANI#A plausible sockpuppet / Request for community block review. As I said on the arb talk page, the case is not a reason to start a Mongo pile-on, and the block was unrelated to ED, so I thought it should be reviewed at ANI. I was going to wait for SoftPale to let me know his intentions, but since Grafikm started the ball rolling, I posted the unblock request there. I see your logic, but it's probably better to review at ANI than in the Arb case. Hope this is not too much of a problem. Thatcher131 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (62/18/3). I will go very carefully at first, trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools, and will begin by re-reading all the high-quality feedback I received during the process, not least from those who opposed me. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! Guinnog 14:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)}

Signature

How can I personalize my user signature so it looks nice and bright? Is there a guideline that explains this? Regards, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 20:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

You'll notice I have made zero alterations to my username signature, so best to ask someone that has a signature that you like the looks of to see how they did it...but also read this.--MONGO 20:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Ultramarine at it again on Capitalism

I thought unprotection was premature. Her first action, as I would have thought, was inserting the same chart that at least a half dozen other editors have opposed both as not being relevant to the article and as violating WP:NOR (and that no one else supports). I'm pretty sure that as long as it is unprotected, she'll make the same change 3 times (but not 4 times) in every 24 hour period. LotLE×talk 20:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Mirror Vax vandalism

At Template:AfdAnons. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at his entries on that template, and consider a block. Thanks. Morton devonshire 18:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Banff

I have restored the FAC nomination, as I'll be around to address any concerns. --Aude (talk contribs) 03:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Please userfy Kelsey Jarrell

At 05:28, 3 September 2006 MONGO (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) deleted "Kelsey Jarrell" (CSD A7). This was perfectly reasonable, but I would have been tempted to usefy the article, since it seems like a harmless autobiography. You might want to restore it to the user's user page. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 05:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Looked like a vanity page, but I have moved it to the editor's talkpage.--MONGO 05:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, please point out to me...

Hi, we haven't met yet so let me take this opportunity to thank you for your contributions and efforts to improve wikipedia. I'm puzzled by your recent reversions of each edit I have made to the collapse of the WTC article. Please help ? Starting with: "The combined effects of the airplane impacts and subsequent fires caused the buildings to collapse. The impacts severed load bearing columns and dislodged fireproofing from the structural steel. Heat from the fires then gradually weakened the structures, causing the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bow inwards. The towers collapsed abruptly when the perimeter walls finally buckled. Once the collapse was initiated, the enormous weight of the portion of the towers above the impact areas overwhelmed the load bearing capacity of the structures beneath them. Total collapse was then inevitable."

Since you removed the citation tags from this and several other passages, could you please point out to me where the references are for the following being factual assertions rather than opinions?

1. effects of the airplane impacts and subsequent fires caused the buildings to collapse
2. Heat ...weakened the structures, causing the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bow inwards.
3. the enormous weight...overwhelmed the load bearing capacity
4. Total collapse was then inevitable.

thanks... (My point is this, that all of the sources I see referenced regarding these details cite these as opinions rather than facts. If there is no source stating these are facts, I would like to introduce text to the effect that these are opinions, or conclusions or whatever would be the appropriate way of describing them.) Also, could you explain to me why it is 'unneeded' to include that the woman standing in the hole is alive? And why it is unnecessary to point out that this is not a mere gash, but the hole in the building through which the aircraft passed? Plainly we can see she is alive, but remember that captions and alt text are expected to make sense to the blind as well as those who can see.

Thanks, I appreciate the time you've already devoted to this, and I apologise for using more of it. User:Pedant 10:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason you can't contribute more constructively than by just adding fact tags all over the place and you've been around long enough to know this. Much of the information is in other places in the article. I think adding to the image in question the fact that she is "alive" is self explanatory.--MONGO 19:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Boundary Waters Canoe Area

Hello Mongo. I’m suggesting a reorganization of sections within Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. Given your interest in wilderness areas and your past contributions to this article I thought you might be interested in expressing your views at Talk:Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. Thanks. Kablammo 18:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your immediate response and contributions. Kablammo 19:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Didn't mean to sound insulting

I suppose I am as familiar with Masssiveegos' editing as anyone, so perhaps I expect that others will be aware of his patterns to the level I am. Hope you don't misinterpret my comments as anything other than suggestions that explain why many have zero patience for him anymore...but that is why I didn't block him myself.--MONGO 08:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice note, Mongo. I share your concerns about this user, and I appreciate that you took the time to leave me a note on my talk page. It seems we disagree on some things, but rest assured I know you are a fine user and a good admin, as are all who have been involved in this debate. I have been at the "zero patience" limit myself, so I can sympathize. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 08:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the rvv!

Jones

Hi Mongo. I'm sure you are aware of the "edit war" that has been going on at the S.J. article. Well, before you unprotected, Tom B. asked for the consensus of editors re: changes he wanted to make. No matter how the votes are counted, the majority of editors (even some on "his" side of the issue), opined that the status quo was preferable to the edits he was suggesting. He then went on and spent the entire day attempting to edit the article to fit his POV. I have, after comparing the edits made, reverted the article back to the incarnation which was favored by the majority of editors. I am concerned, with 9/11 approaching, that this article is going to continue to be a "war-ground". I see that Peephole has requested protection and, since you are an admin, I was wondering if you think the article should be re-protected? It seems this may be preferable to the article continually going through huge shifts. Thanks for your time, Levi P. 02:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Thanks for your note about categories. I think I've got it now. --Droll 08:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Locator Dot problems

There are a couple locator dots out there. Image:Locator Dot.gif (see Bryce Canyon National Park) seems to be working okay -- but Image:Locator Dot.svg (see Green Cay National Wildlife Refuge) has a problem. The background is supposed to be transparent, but for some reason no longer is. It does not seem to be a problem with the image itself, as it has not been modified in some time, and worked a couple weeks ago. My guess is it is some kind of browser or wikipedia-wide issue -- but that is as far as my expertise goes. You will have to ask elsewhere.

As far as my presence on Misplaced Pages, I have changed my habits drastically based on available time -- just don't have much of it. I will use it as a reference, and occasionally write a brief entry, but I am not contributing as much as I used to, nor keeping track of articles I have started/contributed to. — Eoghanacht 13:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

CSD I9 deletions

Hi, I noticed that you have been deleting images tagged with {{NowCommons}}. However, can I just ask that you check usage on en.wiki before you delete the image. For example Image:Hurricane Bonnie.gif was still used in 2 articles, before deletion; CSD I9 states it may only be speedied if "If the image is available on Commons under a different name than locally, it must not be used on any local page whatsoever." If you are deleting dupes like that can you please first orphan the en.wp image? At the very least, ensure that in the deletion reason you give the filename of the commons version, or else other editors will have a painful time tracking it down. Thanks.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Must have missed that one, as I generally do include the new file name and or orphan the image and replace it with the newer one from commons.--MONGO 18:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Dramatica

Hi MONGO, obviously I can't discuss the deletion of Encyclopedia Dramatica, so I wanted to understand why it was deleted by talking with you (or somone else if you want). You said it was an "attack site". Even if it is an "attack site", how does a notable "attack site" violate Misplaced Pages's inclusion policy? Thanks! -AlexJohnc3 My Talk Page 19:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The article did not pass our policies of Verifiablity because it couldn't be reliably referenced to a point in which inclusion of the article was notable. It therefore was nonnotable.--MONGO 19:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Could you answer the rest of my previous question too? And how does WP:V allow for deletion of an article? I thought that applied to the information presented in an article, couldn't the unsourced information just be removed? As for being nonnotable, I already addressed Encyclopedia Dramatica's notablility, and so did many others (if you want me to repeat myself and look through the old discussion, that's fine too). -AlexJohnc3 My Talk Page 21:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I have yet to see anyone demonstrate, by following our policies and guideleines, that ED was notable enough to remain on Misplaced Pages as an article. As an attack website, I strongly support removing any links to the website here immediately. Each deletion nomination is a discussion, and if the discussion fails to demonstrate that an article is notable, then it is deleted. The closing admin on the deletion nomination stated that the arguments that the article was notable were weak. The world isn't just black and white...there are grey areas, and what matters most is what makes Misplaced Pages a better place...I think a large majority of folks believed that having an article about ED was more harmful to our project than it was beneficial.--MONGO 21:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There’s one really big reason that ED should not have an article on Misplaced Pages: It sucks. Big time, as Dick Cheney would say. Oh, and did I mention it isn’t funny? Not even remotely. Uncyclopedia, now that’s funny. Encyclopedia Dramatica – just pathetic and sad. Smoke that, dude. Morton devonshire 21:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Response from User:Tom harrison's talk page

He was being disruptive. He was responding to every single comment and numerous admins made it clear he was being disruptive.--MONGO 21:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

"He was being disruptive because numerous admins said he was being disruptive," is a nonsense argument. --Nscheffey 21:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Then if they are all wrong, I suppose the block was a bad idea...especially since there must be some admin cabal that refused to overturn Tom harrison's block?--MONGO 21:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Multiple people being wrong about something, even admins, is not unheard of. --Nscheffey 21:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)