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Hahahaha Mackensen and Chacor have discovered I'm using sockpuppets by editing under a new account! Not only that, but I have another sockpuppet called Tchadienne! HAHAHAHAHAHA. See relevant discussion on WP:AN/I#Mexican politicians and BLP. freestylefrappe 19:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Note, the above statements are obviously sarcastic... somehow this was lost on multiple users, some of whom somehow became administrators. freestylefrappe 01:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Block
You have been blocked to the end of what would have been the duration of Tchadienne's block. From your comment above, I imagine that you can understand why. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Incidentally, if you would prefer to use a different user name for your main account, I can shorten the block on one of your other socks and block this account instead. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 00:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Unblocking list
Freestylefrappe,
Please stop sending e-mails to the Unblock list. You have admitted using sockpuppets both here and in your e-mails. You should serve the balance of your ban as previously determined.
If you continue to spam the unblocking list, you will be banned from sending messages to it. Capitalistroadster 23:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Capitalistroadster, you're lie that I am spamming the unblock list and refusal to send out any of my emails is not amusing. Find someone else to harass. freestylefrappe 01:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I wish to communicate, you wish to prevent me from doing so
TenOfAllTrades, I challenge you to provide an email address I can contact you at, or email me at danofalltrades7@hotmail.com, so that I may explain why I have never used sockpuppets, I have never admitted to doing so, and when I am unblocked the actions you have taken will result in your desysopping. If you choose not to you are proving that you ar knowingly abusing power and engaging in intimidation.
- My Misplaced Pages email address has been set and working for some time; I'm not sure why you would need to 'challenge' me for something that's already available. Mind you, I'd prefer an open discussion on-wiki, to ensure a maximum amount of transparency in resolving this problem. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Message for Ryulong
I believe I said a rational user, not an administrator who supports a known vandal, reverts good faith edits by an anonymous user , and then has the audacity to warn him on his talkpage, accusing him of vandalism! Did you even look at the anonymous user's edit? The one which Hseldon10 continually reverted, labeling it vandalism? The assertion in the article is shown to be false here, on Forbes. Forbes is what one might call a "reliable source." This is undoubtedly a new concept for you since your reversion added numerous unsourced statements such as the bolded section in the following sentence: "Fox's term has been marked by an unprecedented economic stability and by a democratic atmosphere that is new to Mexico." You also re-added four paragraphs of unreferenced, unsourced commentary on Fox's housing policy. An unreferenced, unsourced paragraph on Fox's health policy talking about "government insurance schemes," and an unreferenced, unsourced paragraph claiming Fox's administration has arrested 35,000 people involved in drug trafficking. freestylefrappe 01:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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"Email this user"
For some reason I have never been able to get the "email this user" function to work. As I said before, either email me so I can reply, or provide an email here. You talk of transparency yet you do not unprotect my current account's talkpage. Does that not seem contradictory to you? Does blocking me after I added a source to Vicente Fox make sense to you? Does protecting my talkpage after I provided standard RFC level evidence really seem legitimate to you? The ball is not in my court as you all are trying to misportray. I have not violated Misplaced Pages policies. I have not been presented with a single diff proving a single allegation against me. The sockpuppetry BS alleged by Chacor has not been proved, despite Mackensen's nonsense post indicating otherwise. No diff supports my supposed WP:POINT violation on WP:AN/I. I have proved my case. You fail to prove yours again and again and again. freestylefrappe 01:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- If the "email this user" function doesn't work, I suggest you upgrade your browser and/or file a bug report with the MediaWiki software folks. -- SCZenz 02:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- First, I wasn't the one who protected User talk:Ya ya ya ya ya ya. You'll need to take the matter up with Centrx.
- Second, I'm inclined to believe a CheckUser when he says that accounts are clearly related.
- Third, you can always make your case on this talk page rather than trying to do it over email. (I can't imagine why the 'Email this user' link isn't working; are you using an odd browser? Perhaps it would be worthwhile to file a bug report.) It is by far the most transparent approach, and it will encourage all participants in the discussion to abide by WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA.
- Finally, if you'd prefer to use one of your other accounts, you can let me know here, and I'll shorten the block on it and indef block this account instead. Frankly, I don't believe it's appropriate to allow you to continue to use multiple accounts when most of them have managed to accrue several blocks. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I love how all of your suggestions are completely impossible. "Take that up with Centrx." How exactly am I supposed to do that when you indefinitely blocked my account? Perhaps I could add a helpme template and you could revert that and protect the page? Any other ideas? Note: Since you are unable to recognize it, you should know that the above sentences contain the element of sarcasm.
- Second, Mackensen did not complete a checkuser, he based his "proven" claim on a diff Chacor provided in which I stated that I was Freestylefrappe.
- Third, your assertion that I can always make my case on my talkpage is truly astonishing. What the hell do you think I was doing when Centrx protected my page and blocked me? Are you insane, or are you trying to provoke me?
- And finally, I do not care what you think about my having multiple accounts. This is allowed, they are not sockpuppets, and you already know this. Stop wasting my time, post your email or fudge off. freestylefrappe 02:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'll take the last option, thanks. If you want to email stuff to me that you expect will get this talk page protected if you post it publicly, then I don't think that private discussion will be productive.
- Incidentally, have you set your own email address in your preferences and reconfirmed it? It's possible that that might be why your 'Email this user' doesn't work. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment
- You've gathered quite a following, CBD. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. --CBD 13:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- I always take your (Chairboy) incivility with a laugh. freestylefrappe 20:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Pardon? I don't understand. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Was I incorrect in assuming you were insulting me? That's how your message came across. I dont see another way to interpret that. freestylefrappe 01:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Please explain. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 02:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Was I incorrect in assuming you were insulting me? That's how your message came across. I dont see another way to interpret that. freestylefrappe 01:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Pardon? I don't understand. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I always take your (Chairboy) incivility with a laugh. freestylefrappe 20:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. --CBD 13:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Administrative abuse, policy violations, and vandalism
The following is an ongoing list of users who have either violated policy, abused their administrative power, or just outright vandalized Misplaced Pages in the Vicente Fox incident.
Bunchograpes
- User:Bunchograpes
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74667014&oldid=74665751
- Type of policy violation: Falsely accusing me of making personal attacks, encouragement of unjustified talkpage protection, though I was incivil after I was blocked
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Joseph Solis in Australia
- User: Joseph Solis in Australia
- Page:LX Legislature of the Mexican Congress
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=LX_Legislature_of_the_Mexican_Congress&diff=74685940&oldid=74060753
- Type of policy violation: Unsourced alteration of date
- Page:LX Legislature of the Mexican Congress
- Page:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vicente_Fox&diff=73727819&oldid=73707740
- Type of vandalism: Addition of numerous unsourced and highly pov statements ridiculing several politicians after WP:BLP was enforced.
- Page:Vicente Fox
- Page:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vicente_Fox&diff=74865328&oldid=74825583
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism - Amazingly after CBD protected and reverted the page and insisted that WP:BLP and WP:RS were going to be enforced, JSA restored the page to the version prior to my editing.
- Page:Vicente Fox
Green caterpillar
- User: Green caterpillar
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74594271&oldid=74575481
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism, though it is a harmless prank - one that should have been reverted
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
Hseldon10
- User:Hari Seldon
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74451119&oldid=74449011
- Type of policy violation: WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74677007&oldid=74662240
- Type of policy violation: WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:OWN, WP:AGF
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74575481&oldid=74571624
- Type of policy violation: WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:User talk:208.180.242.96
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3A208.180.242.96&diff=74678830&oldid=74678249
- Type of policy violation: WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:OWN, false accusation of vandalism
- Page:User talk:208.180.242.96
Chacor
- User: Chacor
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74718567&oldid=74718143
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74635326&oldid=74594271
- Type of policy violation: WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:OWN
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vicente_Fox&diff=74651397&oldid=74642738
- Type of policy violation: Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. Look at the diff. Look at the edit summary... and no one blocked him... or even warned him...
- Page:Vicente Fox
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74640915&oldid=74640882
- Type of policy violation: False accusations of sockpuppetry. The sockpuppet in question was clearly a strawman sockpuppet used by Chacor.
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74650332&oldid=74650183
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism - an attempt to coverup his past policy violations
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74652718&oldid=74652058
- Type of policy violation: Encourages attempts to silence me by calling for a completely unjustified protection of my talkpage
Captainktainer
- User: Captainktainer
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74698256&oldid=74677007
- Type of policy violation: Instructs editors to ignore vandalism and policy violations
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
Pgk
- User: Pgk
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AVicente_Fox&diff=74569702&oldid=74569364
- Type of policy violation: WP:CIVIL, knowingly misinterpreting WP:RS
- Page:Talk:Vicente Fox
- Page: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74865659&oldid=74745603
- Type of policy violation: Lying about me “admitting” I was using sockpuppets; falsely calling Mackensen’s vandalism on the same page a "timing issue"
- Page: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ya ya ya ya ya ya
Centrx
- Centrx
- Page:Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User%3AYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74792530&oldid=73355141
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism, lying about my account being a sockpuppet with the false edit summary: "Proven Sockpuppet blocked"
- Page:Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Page:User talk:Freestylefrappe
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74801149&oldid=74800937
- Type of policy violation: False accusation of WP:NPA violation; in an effort to silence me, Centrx protected my talkpage with no justification and the untruthful edit summary "Abuse of helpme and attacks."
- Page:User talk:Freestylefrappe
- Page:User talk:Freestylefrappe
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74801237&oldid=74801149
- Type of policy violation: Vandalism, in an effort to coverup the evidence I had presented proving the guilt of the other parties involved, Centrx reverts all my evidence.
- Page:User talk:Freestylefrappe
TenOfAllTrades
- TenOfAllTrades
- Page:User talk:Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74815048&oldid=74801237
- Type of policy violation: False accusations of sockpuppetry, false accusations of historical block evasion, unjustified indefinite block of account after Mike Halterman attempted and was berated for the same thing
- Page:User talk:Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Page:User talk:Tchadienne
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_arbitration&diff=74824829&oldid=74824722
- Type of policy violation: False accusations of sockpuppetry, false accusations of block evasion, false suggestion in his edit summary of "Explanation of block: extensive use of sockpuppets"
- Page:User talk:Tchadienne
Mindspillage
- User:Mindspillage
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_arbitration&diff=74824829&oldid=74824722
- Type of policy violation: False accusations of engaging in disruptive activities, trying to enforce double standards against me, and implicitly lying about me using sockpuppets. No attempt to point out his vote to me was ever made, so as to prevent me from providing diffs to show my side of the "case."
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration
Mackensen
- User:Mackensen
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74728367&oldid=74710126
- Type of policy violation:Lyingly implies that he has confirmed I'm using sockpuppets, by interpreting Tchadienne is a sockpuppet I used. The fact that this edit was not, and still has not been reverted, and Mackensen still has not been blocked, is an outrage. An arbitration case isnt even necessary. He should be desysopped on this evidence alone.
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ya ya ya ya ya ya
For the record: The last fucking time I edited under the Tchadienne account was August 9. Check my contribs and stop peddling this lie.
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74782811&oldid=74782254
- Type of policy violation: Deliberate misinterpretation of the concept of "block evasion"
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/incidents
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74800280&oldid=74797250
- Type of policy violation: Makes his vendetta against me, and his desire to violate the right to vanish, abundantly clear
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/incidents
- Page:
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FChacor&diff=74725946&oldid=74701055
- Type of policy violation: Attempt to coverup Chacor's sockpuppetry, WP:POINT
- Page:
Ryulong
- Ryulong
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vicente_Fox&diff=74678246&oldid=74678221
- Type of policy violation: WP:RS, WP:BLP, WP:AGF, WP:OWN (in the sense that he is insisting Hseldon10 owns this page), and false accusations of vandalism against 208.180.242.96
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vicente_Fox&diff=74678246&oldid=74678221
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:208.180.242.96&oldid=74678249
- Type of policy violation: Falsely accusing 208.180.242.96 of vandalism
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:208.180.242.96&oldid=74678249
Thatcher131
- User:Thatcher131
- Page:Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ya ya ya ya ya ya
- Diff:http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FYa_ya_ya_ya_ya_ya&diff=74637099&oldid=74636617
- Type of policy violation: Incorrect interpretation of WP:3RR, though this was not intentional, and may have come from not realizing this case largely involved WP:BLP violations
Mike Halterman
- User:Mike H.
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FChacor&diff=74649302&oldid=74649062
- Type of policy violation: Lyingly states I have some sort of "grievance against Chacor." Instructs users to go by double standards and ignore my request for a Checkuser proving Chacor's sockpuppetry.
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FChacor&diff=74649302&oldid=74649062
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FChacor&diff=74650343&oldid=74649886
- Type of policy violation: Blocks me for 48 hours for "disruption" while leaving the door open for an extension. This act demands an immediate desysopping.
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FChacor&diff=74650343&oldid=74649886
- Page: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74653272&oldid=74653083
- Type of policy violation: After he indefinitely blocked me, he posted this: "He wasn't using the blocking time for what I intended, instead trying to stir up more shit with myself, Chacor, and other editors. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 03:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)"
- Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=74653272&oldid=74653083
Diff for CBDunkerson's viewing
Yep CBD, you sure were right about the willingness to follow policy on Vicente Fox. That must explain this edit, hmm?
Unblock now
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).Freestylefrappe (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I evaded the last block how exactly? Under what account exactly? You can prove this which diffs exactly?
Decline reason:
Per evidence presented at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents -- Netsnipe ► 13:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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