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up to date. Jan 2016. Then, I made the mistake of editing a Green party VP candidate's page. ^^

interactions with neutrality

This edit of yours is not acceptable. It is a form of personal attack, specifically "casting aspersions." See also Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines, Misplaced Pages:Civility. Please refrain from making these kinds of (baseless) comments. Neutrality 01:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad you're looking at that page, as indeed there have been some poor citation practices (cutting sentences apart for example). Much work was needed to render that page somewhat neutral. SashiRolls (talk) 01:43, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Would you like me to delete the comment?SashiRolls (talk) 01:45, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that would be ideal. Thank you. Neutrality 03:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. The joke was clearly not a personal attack because nobody was targeted. The comment that there was an edit flurry after the nomination, suggesting that it was the Green Party who was editing his page, just struck me as wrong given the clear anti-Green bias on the page. At that time I was not aware who the main actors were. Now I am aware who the main actors are. ^^ SashiRolls (talk) 17:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Referring to other editors as "Clinton spinners" is a personal attack even if you don't identify particular editors by name. That kind of language is not called for. (Neither, for that matter, is referring to other editors as nefarious "main actors" in some kind of conspiracy. Neutrality 21:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

It's nice to meet you, sir. My apologies. I appreciate now that you may have been touchy on the subject, I didn't realize you had been made nationally famous for your work on Kaine's page just before he announced.

"The Misplaced Pages page of Virginia Senator Tim Kaine has seen 62 edits on Friday alone. There have been almost 90 edits over the past week. Many of them originate from a user called Neutrality, a longtime Misplaced Pages editor who has made more than 110,000 edits to the encyclopedia. " (emphasis added) SashiRolls (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Please note: I am not accusing you of being a Clinton spinner any more now than I was before. It's just an amusing coincidence that I thought was worth mentioning since you criticized me on my talk page for a harmless joke.

1. Robinson Meyer and Graham Starr (July 22, 2016). "Is Misplaced Pages Foreshadowing Clinton's Vice Presidential Pick?". the Atlantic.

Previous accounts

Have you edited Misplaced Pages previously edited Misplaced Pages under other usernames?E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:15, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

no, I have not. I edit anonymously, i.e. not for credit, unless it is necessary to login in cases of conflict. I am not particularly interested in having a discussion with you unless it starts with an apology for your personal attack here. SashiRolls (talk) 20:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Advice

SashiRolls, if your goal is to improve the Misplaced Pages articles on subjects you care about, some of your behavior recently may have been counterproductive. I understand how frustration can make it difficult, but avoiding incivility is really essential. Especially if other editors are not acting in good faith, it is important for you to communicate civilly and demonstrate good faith more generally so that others can tell the difference between your behavior and theirs. Otherwise, third-party observers are going to be inclined to oppose you even when you may be correct about the substance.

Consider this excerpt from the NPOV policy: "When any dispute arises as to what the article should say, or what is true, we must not adopt an adversarial stance; we must do our best to step back and ask ourselves, 'How can this dispute be fairly characterized?' This has to be asked repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated. It is not our job to edit Misplaced Pages so that it reflects our own idiosyncratic views and then defend those edits against all-comers; it is our job to work together, mainly adding or improving content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all sides. Consensus is not always possible, but it should be your goal."

If you fundamentally disagree with that tenet of Misplaced Pages, it may be best to let go and save yourself the frustration. But I do believe in it. Misplaced Pages is one of very few places left in the world where people with diametrically opposed viewpoints attempt to discuss controversial issues with each other and forge a consensus. It's messy and imperfect, but it's pretty much the best thing we've got.

Assuming good faith and striving for civility and consensus does NOT mean letting people walk all over you. But when you feel mistreated, rather than trying to "fight back" with snarky comments and strategic editing, it's more effective to appeal to higher authority in the proper way using the Dispute Resolution process. Read the WP:DISPUTE policy carefully. It will help you to remain calm by reminding you both that there are processes available to help you and that your own conduct will be scrutinized when you do ultimately appeal to others for help. 71.13.175.226 (talk) 19:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your anonymous advice. I will do my best to continue my project of making the page as fair as possible. I have never been involved in a political page before and felt, after seeing multiple editors fail; I am moving forward in the only way I can, by trying to be fair to both sides. But it is ridiculous to have "would lose to a gorilla" and "bad mother" quotes on a Misplaced Pages page about a person. There is also a significant "stalling" campaign that is being led to make it as difficult as possible to undo the damage to the page since June. Understand, that by the very fact that I don't know you, I can assume good faith and answer, or assume it's part of a stalling campaign and spend my time elsewhere. Snark is admittedly not as effective as the clacking tongue (langue de bois... e.g. "this has already been discussed and decided".) Please feel free to work on the page rather than talking about working on the page! Happy editing. SashiRolls (talk) 20:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Also for info I did appeal to a superadministrator NeilN for guidance several (four) days ago, and am following the dispute process, which, in fact I have read. I did not expect the talk page to balloon as it did; that was clever strategy from Snoog. Though there may be none of this going on, having read this article and seen the strong bias of both the Baraka page and the Stein page, I have decided to act to prevent any potential "hacking" that I can, whether it be professional or amateur: Bloomberg: "How to Hack an Election" SashiRolls (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Actually, some of your comments on NeilN's talk page were part of my motivation for offering you this advice. Accusations like this come across as "wild" because VictoriaGrayson was not using "standard rollback," which makes a difference in the guidelines. Also, ownership is a complex issue and the record (as far as I have seen) doesn't seem to show you following the recommended course of action in response to suspicion of ownership. Again, I understand your frustration, given the amount of time and effort you have obviously put into this. But if you can find the presence of mind to engage in a more disciplined way, it will both save you time and stress and also be more effective in improving Misplaced Pages.

As for your hacking comments, that's an interesting article you link to, but it is only tangentially related to these specific Misplaced Pages disputes. Again, such comments are not an effective way to address suspicions of COI. Instead, they are actually counterproductive because they make you look reckless in the eyes of those with the (difficult) responsibility of making the judgment calls on such things. 71.13.175.226 (talk) 21:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I see who you are now and I've read your comments on the page. I thank you for your suggestions, which are solid! My problem is that, not having any sort of special rollback software, I don't know how it works, for me "roll back" in that particular case, was to revert a whole series of edits. I'm also not really that interested in trying to prove COI. I don't want to cause anyone any harm, I just want the continuous reversion of fair edits to stop. SashiRolls (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

talk Thank you for likewise posting your questions to the other users' pages as well. I appreciate it, they are good questions. Don't worry, I'm perfectly willing to be overruled, or change my position, after a fair discussion (as has been the case on the Ajamu Baraka page on occasion...) SashiRolls (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

you're doing great

don't give up. and thank you. 174.17.227.62 (talk) 15:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

sorry I was curt on the page; I don't want things to become more inflamed, because that won't help anyone make progress. I just want the situation fixed, so that we're not always fighting about a gorilla, and can get on to the more subtle problems... for which I recognize I may not be entirely helpful, though I am trying my best to be neutral. You did make me laugh. a lot. (incidentally ^^) SashiRolls (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, anon. thanks very much for your help and advice. I agree my formulation was poor in the RfC. No contest. Do take a break if you need to. I will try to too, but intend to keep an eye on the developments for a while (and may soon take further dispute resolution steps, if nobody else does first). SashiRolls (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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fixed SashiRolls (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Your misunderstanding of consensus

Please read Misplaced Pages:Consensus and Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Consensus generally means that when material is challenged — particularly by multiple editors who have each stated policy-based reasons for the challenge — you do not restore the content without first discussing the issue. "Consensus" does not mean that your position is the default. Neutrality 13:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Your tendency to revert those who do not have an anti-Stein, anti-Baraka perspective is shocking. From the page you cited: "Consider reverting only when necessary. Reversion should be a last choice in editing: the first choice in editing should always be to improve an article by refinement, not to revert changes by other editors." I do not think you can pretend to be neutral in this discussion given your revert history. SashiRolls (talk) 13:33, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

That's not responsive to what I said. It's regrettable that you continue to impugn and disparage those who disagree with you by merely accusing them of being "anti-Stein."Onjce again: Consensus generally means that when material is challenged — particularly by multiple editors who have each stated policy-based reasons for the challenge — you do not restore the content without first discussing the issue. Neutrality 13:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I did. I posted a comment on the "Nazi" section to the talk page explaining my reasons very clearly for adding the content. No reasoned response was given other than a comment about the number of votes received at IMDB for the documentary in question. No comment has been made whatsoever concerning the citation from Hedges. The dilatory tactics continue... SashiRolls (talk) 13:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

That's not accurate: multiple editors directly pointed out to you how this content (like other content you've tried to add) strays from the article subject. As to Hedges, a pending RfC also dealing with another Hedges quote (!) clearly demonstrates that a firm consensus disfavors conclusion. To ignore others' comments and accuse them of being "dilatory" is not proper conduct. Neutrality 13:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

What I have said is completely accurate. I would request (again) that you seek consensus on the talk page and cease hassling me on my talk page. thank you. SashiRolls (talk) 13:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

GMOs at Jill Stein

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Hello Tryptofish, I do not believe that my edit above is not in contradiction with the proposition at Community RfC about GMOs. I am not sure why you deleted reference to European positions on GMO, as it is clearly approved by the accepted proposition at the RfC. Propose adding the full adopted proposition verbatim, signaling it as such. Please note that it is not at all clear that these discretionary sanctions apply to the Jill Stein page, insofar as that page is not in the list, and as a result I will not seek sanctions against you for reverting content contained in the approved proposition. SashiRolls (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I already said this at the article talk page, but please understand that I am not trying to be your enemy. The notice above is informational, not a threat. Also, please note that you are now up to 3 reverts at that page, OK? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

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September 2016

Please stop making disruptive edits, as you did at Jill Stein.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, you may be blocked from editing. This is disruptive and such behavior needs to not be repeated. VQuakr (talk) 00:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

As you probably know, I'd corrected the edit by changing all 16 to a more descriptive name. Another editor chose a different name, before you commented. I assumed the robot would fix the orphaned references as it has every time someone has reverted one of my edits because it did not fit their views on the page. But your point is well taken. Don't count on robots to do a job you can do with a search and replace. SashiRolls (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement

Please see WP:AE#SashiRolls. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

First response: I have a life and a job you know, and that job is not to edit Misplaced Pages. I don't know what you're doing here. Are you attacking me, or pointing through me at the original edit by Snoogannsnoogans where the 16 WaPo edits were chopped up, as described here and here? You came to the Jill Stein thread on the 20th of August, with very pointed goals (vaccines, GMOs and pesticides interventions in the article) and lots of warnings about AE in the talk thread. Your edits are sometimes very very strange Tryptofish. I like to assume good faith but this is pretty clearly trolling diff. This is not supposed to be a page about gossip. I will edit this as I have time to and add more diffs. SashiRolls (talk) 19:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Second response: filed. I don't appreciate you using me in your wars against Arbcom. This is you, right? --> wikipediocracy.com on Tryptofish

September 2016

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. TimothyJosephWood 10:57, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I have thoroughly explained your (recent) role in the snoog war (if there is an offensive against JS being led by snoog on her bio page, as I have long suspected) on the talk page, presenting you with argument concerning the content you wish to censor, including relevant citations concerning how experienced editors work around disagreement. On your talk page this morning it said you were a neo-liberal. Admit you may not, therefore, be the most "knowledgeable source" as Misplaced Pages says about Jill Stein. As I said there, I am open to debate, and find dodging debate highly suspicious behavior.

references Talk:Jill_Stein#WP:DUE + Talk:Jill_Stein#from_WP:Edit_warring + diff of menacing thousand-year comment, which I chose to remove from my talk page. 14:44, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Topic Ban from Jill Stein

As per the Arbitration Enforcement discussion that you are aware of, I am issuing a topic ban from the article Jill Stein and related pages on the English Misplaced Pages. This sanction will last until March 3, 2017. Please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions for details relating to the sanction and instructions on how to appeal if you wish. 19:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Amazing that such an important message should be unsigned, NuclearWarfare. Almost is if something much bigger than my own little person was afoot. Well, OK. Have it your way, then. I'll wait for further explanation. I'm satisfied with the progress I've made by putting myself on the front lines. I will probably appeal, though perhaps not immediately. Viva Misplaced Pages, and thank you for the message. SashiRolls (talk) 03:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

This is a fairly common error in signatures. Note that in your signature in the section above, it also omitted the sign but included the time stamp. TimothyJosephWood 11:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Active AfD

As I leave off editing the pages surrounding Jill Stein on the English Misplaced Pages, I would like to note that there is still an open "AfD" (that is to say: a call to delete an article) here. Neutrality initiated a call to delete the Political positions of Jill Stein page, and so far seven of eleven editors have agreed, including Tryptofish, Timothyjosephwood, MrX, E.M.Gregory, (who have all been so kind as to leave me comments above) and Snooganssnoogans (who has not). Independent, third parties who have never been involved on the page Jill Stein have voted 2-0 in favor of keeping the article so far.

The call for deletion of Jill Stein's political positions page is, again, here, whether you are for or against JS having a political positions page like the other three major candidates, you too can participate in making Misplaced Pages a better place (but perhaps not for long). SashiRolls (talk) 14:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced post

Hello,

I have reverted your post here to the talk page of our biographical article about Jimmy Wales. If you're looking to bring something to the attention of Jimbo, you should post on his user talk page, User talk:Jimbo Wales. Hope this helps. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. :) SashiRolls (talk) 15:52, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016 : inappropriate punitive blocks / gag rules

• I have blocked you, in part, for abusively socking with a named account. Equally if not more important, you have been editing extensively without logging in. Those edits have been to articles and Talk pages in which you participated under your named account. It is unclear what you mean by your statement on your userpage that you log in "only when it is necessary to fight for neutrality". However, what is clear is that you edit without logging in to avoid scrutiny, which is prohibited by policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Bbb23, Hello. I wanted to respond to your claims. First, I have never abusively edited with a named or with an anonymous account. I have made one edit with a named account that I created named Br'er Frog. I will also note that I myself gave the evidence to ArbCom by email (Callanecc responded to a previous mail in response) which permitted my single edit with Br'er Frog to be discovered in the full knowledge that this could happen. That single productive edit is here. There is nothing abusive about this edit whatsoever. So, you may wonder why I chose not to do it under my own pseudonym, SashiRolls, since I was not banned from editing anything except pages related to the page I am not allowed to talk about even on my talk page due to a gag rule. At the time of this ban, I had obviously noticed a certain number of editors who had been following me around preventing me from doing productive editing (the frustration with this behavior led to my ban). Later, this behavior has continued on the page Haiti-United States relation (See further, the stonewalling here, where even a request for comment was (abusively) refused (diff) after two users disrupted productive editing for ideological reasons.

Having read more about the Wiki-legality of multiple accounts since this accusation of abuse, I have learned that -- as I thought at the time -- there is nothing wrong with editing under a second account. What I did not know was that Misplaced Pages requires for you to declare the connection between the accounts, which of course allows those seeking to prevent edits they are ideologically opposed to to keep an eye on every edit you make. Sadly, this facilitates the work of anyone potentially being paid to prevent critical editing. As such I have decided to "do my time" with honor, and declare that yes Br'er Frog was created in order to edit off the radar of any "Correct the Record" folks who may have decided to watch my account, to prevent me from adding any verifiable and reliably sourced edits which do not fit with their views. This account, the only one I have created, was used to make one change to the Washington Post page (to include reliably sourced verifiable information about their political bias during the Democratic primaries, which has not been challenged (though the unwarranted weasel word "purportedly" was added to the sentence, an act which I did not fight). EDIT: Also, it is worth noting that within hours of posting this one of those following my talk page felt the need to remove reliable sourced info (which I did not add) from the Washington Post page. diff... Should any "correct the record" (sic) types like to correct this inappropriate deletion, Fortune , CNN Money , and The Guardian can be added to the already reliable source (The Intercept) that was added by the original editor, of course.

I intend, therefore, to do my two weeks time (I have refrained from editing Misplaced Pages anonymously during this period. Though I have run across some vandalism worth repairing on the Greek and Latin Roots page (gamergate being included in the list of words containing the etymon -erg), I have chosen to respect the sentence imposed on me by Misplaced Pages rather than help you out.)

Once again, the whistleblower has been punished and those gaming by refusing "requests for comment" and deleting reliably sourced material without doing a simple google search for concurring sources have gotten off scot-free.

Though I definitely do not share the "conspiracy theory" focus found at Wikispooks, I do wholeheartedly concur with their description of Misplaced Pages here. I have ordered a copy of the book Common Knowledge?: An Ethnography of Misplaced Pages, written by a Misplaced Pages steward, in an attempt to see if he believes there is any hope for positive change. Again, I will "do my time" knowing that I have done no damage to Misplaced Pages. If there are any anonymous edits that anyone wishes to put forth as being mine and as being destructive in any way, please post diffs to them after the outdent so I can defend myself. Thank you. SashiRolls (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

References

1. Jemielniak, Dariusz (2014). Common Knowledge?: An Ethnography of Misplaced Pages. Stanford University Press.

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SashiRolls, what is the point of that little stab at User:NuclearWarfare on WP:AN? Drmies (talk) 02:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

It was a factual statement to indicate that I am observing the terms of the gag rule he applied to me. I gather I cannot breathe the name of the candidate who made me aware of the inappropriate editing behavior on Misplaced Pages during the elections, so I'm afraid I can't say any more. SashiRolls (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

If you would like me to redact it, just say so. SashiRolls (talk) 03:04, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I don't know what you gathered or not. You can breathe whatever you like. If you're talking about the Jill Stein topic ban--well, that's great, and yet I wonder why you brought it up at Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Counterpunch_.26_The_Daily_Beast. Perhaps this is cathartic for you, but "gag rule" is of course wholly inappropriate, as was pointed out by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris, and the only thing it does for us admins is confirm that there mush indeed have been some seriously disruptive behavior. You were advised, above, of the opportunities you have for appealing the block. That is what you can do. What you can not do is continue to complain about the admin or the topic ban, esp. not in terms of "censorship" or "gag rule". NuclearWarfare was just doing their job and if you think they did a poor job, appeal it. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• As I understand it, the only way to successfully appeal such action is to admit that I was terribly wrong and to apologize profusely for working to undo the hack job on the JS page during the month of August. Since you, a member of ArbCom, say that I can breathe whatever I like and that there is no gag rule, I will count on the truth of that statement and say this: Recently, the editor widely identified as responsible for the hack of the page engaged in copyright violation to introduce negative information into the BLP page (Jill Stein) sourced only to the Daily Beast (four users, including Tryptofish and Neutrality, suggested the text should be included in the page in an RfC, despite the clear copyright violation). When I had to invoke WP:IAR to protect Misplaced Pages from WP:COPYVIO (Talk:Jill_Stein#Plagiarism), the user didn't even apologize for it, but rewrote the sentence "A,B" as "B,A" in order to try to get around the rules. There is no ambiguity; this was not an innocent mistake. Now I have to go do my day job, Drmies, thank you for suggesting that I appeal, but please understand that I am not paid to edit Misplaced Pages and that I have a day job -- as you do: if I remember correctly we do similar things for a living -- which I should be devoting more time to, rather than trying to fight for net neutrality. SashiRolls (talk) 06:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• You willfully misunderstand. I did not tell you to appeal. No one says you have to admit you were terribly wrong etc. There is no "gag rule", but there is a topic ban, which is not a gag rule, and if you discuss Jill Stein or anything related to her one more time I will block you on the spot. You can call that a gag rule if you like, but if you do, you open yourself up to a block as well for reasons I have explained above. If those reasons are somehow not clear to you, then you should play it safe by no longer talking about this matter at all. If your "fight for net neutrality" and a crusade against a perceived copyvio means editing disruptively, against consensus, then you'll have to take that fight elsewhere: this place may not be for you. Drmies (talk) 13:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• Furthermore, that comment was a serious demonstration of non-comprehension of what actually happened at the Jill Stein page, which can be easily seen at the Talk:Jill Stein. (I am commenting because I was referred to negatively here, and I am pinging Neutrality as a courtesy.) Such a characterization, along with the very fact that SashiRolls was clearly watching the page despite the topic ban, does not bode well for what will happen when the topic ban expires. Nor does referring to the other editor as having "hacked" the page, and most certainly nor does responding to that editor by doing this: , , and (thus ). I'm saying all of that more for the administrators watching here, than for SashiRolls. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• SashiRolls: I've basically tried to avoid interacting with you, given your past conduct, but you continue to draw my name into your constantly grievance-laden posts. The fact that you bear these incredible grudges and follow editors around is extremely off-putting. Let me give an example. Just two days ago here you go to a page that you never had interest in before (Reconquista), in order to follow around an editor you dislike (@Snooganssnoogans:) and remove his extremely well-sourced copy (which is cited to a 2016 study in the peer-reviewed Journal of Economic Growth). You claim that the reason for your revert was "grammar errors" - but of course you could have simply fixed any grammar error that existed and moved on. You also claimed that you "couldn't verify the text" behind a paywall - even though a simple check of policy (WP:PAYWALL, part of Misplaced Pages:Verifiability) would have shown you that your lack of access of academic databases is not a valid reason for removal. In a second edit, you claim that the article is not "a good source or a useful addition" — which makes no sense whatsoever (it's a peer-reviewed source, recent, directly on point to the article subject). The edits basically appear part of a strategy to harass Snooganssnoogans and drive him off the project. This is part and parcel of your M.O.: constantly accuse or intimate that other editors of being wrong, "paid shills," etc., in an attempt to antagonize them. This kind of content is exactly why you got topic-banned.

I'm tagging @Tryptofish: and @Drmies: for the sake of completeness. Neutrality 22:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi gang. No, insofar as I could not verify the reference for Snoog's first ever participation in the article "Reconquista" I politely asked the editor to fix it him/herself given my total lack of confidence in this editor. Trypto provides a "diff" but does not provide the context for the "diff": instead of correcting two subject-verb agreement errors in a single sentence, I politely asked Snoog to do so. Only after being thoroughly insulted and seeing that Snoog cared so little about WP that s/he was not going to change the errors s/he introduced on his/her own did I act to correct the error.

Regarding your voting for inclusion of a copyright violation (and clearly not a "perceived" copyright violation), I think this speaks for itself. Trypto & neutrality, please, when you have "clean hands" then you can criticize. As it is, I'm afraid you do not. Insofar as just above your comments, I am asked not to speak about anything, I would ask you both to drop the stick and make no further contributions to my talk page since you see I am not at liberty to defend myself. You made a mistake; mistakes are human. You act as if you don't see your mistake, that is more troubling. SashiRolls (talk) 01:21, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Also, @Neutrality:, those who actually click on the link in your text: "In a second edit, you claim that the article is not "a good source or a useful addition" will see that what you aver is not at all what I said: " corrected your S-V agreement error, but make no claim this a good source or a useful addition to the project." (since I could not myself verify the citation). No reply is necessary or desired. SashiRolls (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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Singapore

Hi SashiRolls, incorrupt means incorruptible, as in clean government. I note you came in as she is showing defiance in restoring the tags. I'm probably wrong, but just wondering if you are showing some support for her? Wrigleygum (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

incorrupt /ɪnkəˈrʌpt/ adjective rare (especially of a human body) not having undergone decomposition. I'm not expressing support or opposition, just fixing problems with MOS:OVERLINK as I said in the edit summary. Somewhat amused to find Wrigleygum as a very active editor on the Singapore page given the illegality of such stuff in S'pore. ^^ (any further comment should be on the article's talk page, please) SashiRolls (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes indeed, I bring some in. Your edits are fine so far and not an issue with me, nor am I in a hurry with CMD's edits as I'm just discussing with him on a cordial approach when I do. Will discuss on SG talk. Wrigleygum (talk) 12:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Wrigleygum: I just got threatened with ANI by @Jytdog: for allegedly trying to engage in WP:PROMO on the Singapore page. I wonder if that strikes you as correct? I'm kind of in shock, he deleted his threat, but didn't retract it, nor did he recognize that his claim was entirely without merit. I'm not sure what I'm meant to conclude. Feel free to provide diffs, Jytdog, of any PROMO you think I've been engaged in. SashiRolls (talk) 07:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes I retracted it. Jytdog (talk) 07:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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I selected such user name because it was meant to say "good bye" . But I am still here. Shit happens. My very best wishes (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Всего хорошего, и спасибо за (трыпто)рыбу! ^^ SashiRolls (talk) 22:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)