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Alternatives to speedy

Thanks for the note. Points taken, but I'm not getting articles written that I'd like to write because I'm forever trying to "save" bad articles. (For example, I spent roughly 7 hours working on Billy Brandt yesterday because the article lacked any substantial references and most likely was in danger of being nominated for deletion.) The only reason I knew about these short "less-than-stubs" (in my opinion) articles was that they were being wikilinked to pages that I monitor fairly closely (although I found a few other edits that needed to be made when I was reverting the links). Regardless of the potential for the article, nothing that short should be posted in the namespace, that's what sandboxes are for. This just encourages the "shotgun" method of article creation: start a bunch of stubs and then never do any further work on them, leave all the research to someone else. I don't think that's right. I see that some of the speedy nom's were deleted, some nominated for deletion. If the administrator reviewing the speedy tag disagrees with my placing it, they have the authority to change the tag. Thanks.—Chidom   18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Las películas de mi vida

I received your message. I'm busy right now, so it might be a few days, but I will begin soon. I'll include a synopsis, a section on themes, and a section on reviews with footnotes. Havardj Jack 21:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Jennifer Tinney

Just to let you know, here are some links to deletion logs for her pages, there has been a user (who is currently banned) who keeps adding info and copyrighted pictures of WWE Diva Search contestants.

And many times, they have been deleted, so this page should not only be deleted, but protected from recreation. I hope you understand why I am putting the tag up and will put a different one up shortly. Renosecond 03:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think she really has a lot of notability just yet, she was a contestant for a few weeks on the WWE Diva Search but that's just a hard sell. Actually, a few of the other contestants have had pages speedied and then be protected from recreation. And the user who keeps creating the pages does them at a poor quality and is quite stubborn and incomprehensible. And this user is also currently under a block for ignoring warnings about photos. Renosecond 03:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Theodore Hanulak

Hi: I put the non-noteable delete tag on the Theodore Hanulak page. I'm fine either way but the Aikido Journal entry you put in is a profile that members put up of themselves and of course the other is his dojo website. Lots of people in the world, myself included, run dojos. Quite a few found their own styles for marketing purposes and join like minded groups. Again - I'll leave it alone but in my opinion running a dojo is not noteable. Cheers.Peter Rehse 03:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)PS. I did some further checking and there has been discussion on e-budo (a martial art forum) among quite well known martial artists questioning the background.

Marion Cohen

She's back. You were right there is a claim to notability there. Got to stop the speedy deletes when I'm tired. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Johannes Mannov

Hi. What I was mainly put off by was that it seemed to be created by the person himself. Also, the Google output was very sparse with useful links. But I agree with the keep as it is. Cheers, Hestemand 08:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Julie Gould

In reference to your edit "(removed CSD. Notable.)" - the CSD was for a blatant copyvio, not on the basis of notability. That's why I used "db-copyvio" not "db-bio". We still have copyright violations in the article history, it would've been better for the article to have been deleted and started from scratch. exolon 10:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your action on Cyprus. In this case I cannot take action against vandalism since I am the creator of the pages. Therefore it is inappropriate to use my adminship in this case. But if you can act, it would please me. Electionworld Talk? 10:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Julie Gould

Hi, just a minor point... when you rewrite a copyvio article (thanks, by the way) we still need to remove the copyvio versions from the page history. Any admin will be able to do this if asked (I've already done it in this case) but it's still important that it gets done. Thanks. --W.marsh 20:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Have you ever, in your entire life, voted to delete anything? This is simply ludicrous. -- Kicking222 12:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Marion Cohen

An article that you have been involved in editing, Marion Cohen, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marion Cohen. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

I'm relisting this on procedural grounds as the original AfD was closed early. Espresso Addict 03:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Updated Mario Cohen article

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for your updates to the Marion Cohen article. Based on your updates, I've changed my opinion from delete to keep. Nice work. Brian 19:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)btball

Re: Copyvios

Done. --W.marsh 22:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Rise Records

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I sent a message to the user who proposed it for deletion and have since added to the article. Although the article is small (and I agree lacking), the subject is large enough to deserve an article and I will work to bring it up to Misplaced Pages standards. Dark jedi requiem 02:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kayah (singer)

Thank you for saving the stub on Kayah, the Polish singer, from deletion (I'm new to creating pages). However, it looks like someone with more authority than me has erased the additon I made to the Kayah disambiguation page for her. Do you think it would be okay to add it back to that page? Or is it better if you did it as I am fairly new. Thanks. Banzaiboy 07:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

patrick

thanks for the editing help, using a german keyboard so not sure where all the characters are. Patrick lee-thorp 21:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your welcome edits and addition to sources on my article. I will clearly have to rework it with my own sources. I do appreciate your help in this matter. M. I. Pirie

Notability of parks

Regarding your statement that 'most parks are notable'. I can't find any policy, guideline or precedent that says so. Can you point me to the page I'm overlooking? Valrith 03:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I was making a general observation rather than quoting policy. In general, a quick Google search ought to turn up some evidence of notability for most parks, particularly national or state/provincial ones, even if no such references are listed in the article. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Userfication

I didn't know you could userfy articles - just read about it at WP:UFY. Will keep that in mind for the future. Thanks for the tip :-) --Casper2k3 06:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Misleading edit summary?

Hi, you used (Removed CSD. Article asserts notability.) as an edit summary on an article I speedied as a copyvio. That might give the impression that I mistakenly speedied an article under a notability criteria. Perhaps you could use something like (Removed CSD. Article rewritten to avoid copyvio) or something similar instead? Thanks. exolon 12:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

  • You're quite right. Remember, by the way, that only certain categories of copyvio can be speeded. If it is not from a commercial site (one that makes money of the content), then use {{subst:copyvio}} rather than {{subst:nn-copyvio}}. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 13:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
WP:SPEEDY does not say "makes money of the content". It just says, "Material is unquestionably copied from the website of a commercial content provider (e.g. encyclopedia, news service)". This is ambivalent in its wording. I argue that most sites suffer commercially from content being used elsewhere, as it reduces their value of their site, leading to less traffic etc. Anyway. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Shane Easson

Thank you for your message about this political figure. He has some notability mainly in relation to Collex and the redistibution in NSW. His brother is notable enough but there are only a few returns on a media database. The article currently reflects the extent of the verifiable information. He might be worth a mention in an article on Michael Easson his brother as most of his notability is derived from that connection. Capitalistroadster 05:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD

You might like to cast your eye over this one, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DeBarra Mayo, and use your skills on the article, which I have done a quick overall edit on, but it could do with more attention. I deleted long lists of things, but there might be something retrievable in them. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a category, but the article seems to be in pretty good shape. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. I found some stuff for minor cleanup, but it does seem to work now. Tyrenius 09:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
For good work on AfD, going beyond the obvious and saving articles. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Lejeune High School

Thanks for your message. I will have to fish out my old yearbooks to see if there is anything wiki-worthy to add to the article. It's been eight years (almost) since I was last there, so most of the info I still have is really dated. - Thanks, Hoshie 10:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Caoilfhionn Nic Pháidín

Curses, it looks as though you have foiled my evil schemes on Misplaced Pages's Articles For Deletion once again.

Thanks for the reminder. I think that it's good that you seem always willing to take a second look at the stuff on afd, even though I find myself sometimes nonplussed by your outlook on what I see as some of wikipedia's less-than-wonderful articles. Pathlessdesert 12:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Camp Horseshoe

Hi, TruthbringerToronto. You might want to take another look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Camp Horseshoe where you suggested the article should be kept per the argument of W.Marsh. Unfortunately it turned out that the two sources that W.Marsh had found related to a different Camp Horseshoe. Best, Gwernol 12:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Coimisiún na Gaeltachta

Hi, I've expanded the article a bit. Dlyons493 Talk 13:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Brick & Lace

But, they haven't released an album yet, and there's no indication of a tour. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Israel Union for Environmental Defense

On May 20 you created the Israel Union for Environmental Defense. Today I expanded it a little. Hope you like my changes, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 02:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Elijah Moore

The link requires a log in and so isn't really much good as proving notability. So I restored, tidy and prodded at the same time. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd PROD edit tag?

I noticed in your edit comments on R. Joe Brandon that you removed the PROD tag. But it's still there in the article. Did you want to remove it? The argument in your edit tag for removal seemed reasonable, IMHO. Maury 16:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, out of curiosity, why is your name "TruthbringerToronto" if you're in Montreal? Former Torontonian that escaped perhaps? Maury 16:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

OWMC

mmm... Sorry. Can't help you there. Never heard of it. -Zer0fighta 03:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Will you please look at this...

About the school distract I deleted... I did not see an assertion of the subjects importance. I would read WP:SCHOOLS and if you think that the article should still be there, feel free to create the page agian. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am inclined to undelete this article to a user subpage for you. I am warning you the article as it is (deleted, is not the best of prose... and does not assert the importance of the school distract very well) If you want me to undelete to one of your user sub-pages for you, tell me where you want it undeleted to. If you plan on fixing the article from its current state... you have some work on your hands :). Thanks for your interest! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, undeleted to User:TruthbringerToronto/West Burlington Independent School District. I wish you good luck with this, as it needs some serious work before being placed into mainspace. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Echilamvayal

Echilamvayal It is a local community; It looks vanity to me. Of course i can withdraw Afd nomination if appreciate. User:Yy-bo 22:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ....

...for your Chasseguet-Smirgel help! Billbrock 23:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: The Arms of Jesus Children's Mission

You deleted The Arms of Jesus Children's Mission, which was just a stub. I had tried to add a hangon message so that I could add the references that I found at http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Arms+of+Jesus+Children's+Mission%22

The Canada Revenue Agency web site confirms that this is a registered charity with business number 128201845RR0001. If you think that the article could be expanded into a useful one, could you please restore it? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The only content there was an external link to the mission's site, and the talk page's content was an attempt to contact the mission. This made them deletable under the third speedy deletion criterion for articles. Checking the history now, I see that you edited the page only seconds before I deleted it, apologies. If you can write a valid article on the subject, feel free to do so, simply by creating a new article; if you really need the previous edits then I can restore them. --bainer (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Paxus Calta Entry

i want to request your patience in advance, i have read some of the wikipedia intro material, but not all of it. On Aug 30th you edited the entry on me with (removed CSD. Article asserts notability.) did the previous editor who worked the day before (who i believe was not signed in) delete the entire article and you replaced it ? if so, thx, if not plz explain to me what it is that they actually did and you appear to have reversed (if i am understanding this correctly). And just out of curiousity, how was it that you were looking at this page so quickly after this deletion? Thx for all your quite eclectic work for this important information source. Paxus Calta

Benjamin Lee (physicist)

Can you help me make a correction. I tried to move Benjamin Lee (physicist) to his correct name, Benjamin W. Lee--but couldn't do it. WP informed me that I'm to seek the help of an Administrator. Are you one? And can you help?

Thanks, Ludvikus 08:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

String Theory (band)

I see you've removed the {{db-band}} tag I put on this article. I added this because I can see no evidence of notability in the article. However I do admit I know nothing at all about the band. Can you say whether it is notable or not? If not, I shall put it up for AFD. — Tivedshambo (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

  • At the time I removed the tag, I thought that the band's multiple records and multiple reviews were enough to establish notability, but perhaps the record labels aren't important enough and the reviews are too brief to prove notability. I won't be upset if the article is deleted, but I think on balance that the band is notable. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this particular article does not warrant a db, but instead might warrant review under AfD. Kukini 02:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Robert William Lawrence

Please consider adding some verifying information to the article, such as references and external links. This would greatly help the cause of keeping the article. Kukini 02:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Akhtar Munir Marwat

Your vote of "Keep" on the pretext that the title of an Additional Secreatry in Pakistan might either be equivalent to an "undersecretary" or "associate deputy minister" is way out of proportion. There is absolutely no comparision. Being a Pakistani myself, I can assure you that an Additional Secretary is just a senior middle level management position in the Civil Bureaucracy of Pakistan. It has got nothing to do with political positions. I think roughly there might be more than 250 persons working at the similar positions for the Government of Pakistan either in various ministries or its divisions or in government corporations. You can check the same at http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/ . Marwatt 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your note. I am sorry about the confusion; I guess I don't understand Pakistan civil service ranks. Even if his position is not inherently notable, he may have been the subject of independent news coverage which doesn't show up on an English-language Google search, or he may have written a book which doesn't show up on an English-language Google search. If you could check the catalogue of Pakistan's national library or of a major university library in Pakistan to see if he is a published author, that would be helpful. If you can't find anything, then that is worth mentioning as well.
  • Please consider adding biographies for high-ranking civil servants who are unambiguously notable. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Sure , I'll do that but rest assure that this man has nothing to his credit, no books, nothing else published.Marwatt 10:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Voice of the People and Grammar for Everyone

I couldn't find these books at the Library of Congress catalog at http://catalog.loc.gov/ If you would like to donate copies to the Library of Congress, please see http://www.loc.gov/acq/donatex.html You may want to add bibliographic information about these books and the awards they won to the article. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: Both books were published by a small company in Prince William County, Virginia, and they are on the shelves of all public libraries in the county . The library's web page and catalog are on the Internet. The Grammar for Everyone was written by Mr. Jacobsen under a grant administered by the Northern Virginia Community College. The awards were local and limited to adjunct faculty at the school. Books are in limited distribution, and they have not been submitted to the Library of Congress . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary Jacobsen (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Isabel Vincent

Thanks for adding extra info to the article on Isabel Vincent. I'd be grateful for a chance to discuss the change offline -- you can send me email at .@gmail.com if you're comfortable David 00:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC) (David Megginson)

Re:ACEC - Adams County Colorado Education Consortium

Thanks for the heads up. I normally would've used the regular copyvio tag, but noticed that the article was less than 48 hours old. I'd be happy to use that tag and list it in the Copyright Problems section. --cholmes75 18:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of speedy deletion tag

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles, as you did with Brighter Than a Thousand Suns (song). If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please place {{hangon}} on the page and make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. — Prodigenous Zee - 04:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It's gone already. BTW, what makes you come to the conclusion that the song is notable? — Prodigenous Zee - 11:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ruth Atkin

This is a mayor of a town of less than 7000 inhabitants. At best she may merit a mention in the town's article, but I can't see how she's notable in her own right. exolon 18:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks a million for bringing it to my attention, sexy! i love canadians. both online, in person, and especially IN CANADA. oh and yeah i added some more info. id be great if u could show your support on the deletion dialogueQrc2006 19:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Extra_Space_Storage

I appreciate the heads up. I think I'll just see how it plays out though. I admit to being harder on business articles than I am on most others due to my very low tolerance for advertising/spam but it doesn't seem that I am the only one that thinks that this company isn't particularly notable. Dipics 18:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

prod/speedy noted

Thanks for the heads-up. I thought I was helping - I won't do that any more. I do disagree, though, about simply moving the article to a userpage, as that leaves a page on wikipedia with the same title, just turning it into a redirect. Hence, "everyone gets his own WP page... weehee!". Any comments? thanks (I probably wont reply quickly -- off to bed). --Storkk 04:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Access Television Network

To avoid AFDing on this article I have place comments on the talkpage -- meatclerk 05:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


afd

Thank you for the notice, i really appreciate it. --Striver 12:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Scott Yates

I've restored it but it still looks like a very likely deletion candidate to me. Will watch the user concerned for a bit. The Land 20:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Ja'Warren Hooker

Thanks for the heads up about Ja'Warren Hooker. It looked like a page for a non-notable guy, and I figured probably a vanity page, so I speedied it. Looks much better now. eaolson 01:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thomas Curran

The speedy criteria A8 has changed recently. It no longer requires a copyvio to be from a commercial provider. If you take a look at the page, there's a clear copyright notice on the page. Could you explain why you removed the notice? Was it because the author wikified the page, so it looks like he might have changed it to a non-copyvio? Thanks. ColourBurst 15:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see your notice on WP:CP. ColourBurst 15:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Appreciation and slow understanding

Dearest Truthbringer Toronto:

Thanks much for your helpful msg in my UserTalk area. As someone who self-identifies as a propagandist, it is quite validating to hear that when the situation calls for it (as in a wikipedia entry) i can be "remarkably restrained and of relatively neutral tone".

Since the UserTalk pages appear to be public, i assume you will not have any problem with me copying your suggestions and placing them into the discussion section and adding my comments (this would seem in line with the etiquette). I think both verifiability and external link issues could be handled this way.

i assume the discussion pages work something like the articles marked for speedy deletion and that (unlike the UserTalk pages) there are administrators (are you an administrator?) and others who scan discussion pages looking for places to weigh in and advise.

i did read some more about vanity pages. and was happy to see that the fact that someone else (a colleague, without my knowledge) had started this page was some threshold of value about the information and appropriateness for wikipedia inclusion.

i am currently in my "honeymoon" period with wikipedia, tweaking various articles of importance to me (not just the one about myself) and encouraging friends who are experts to weigh in and balance pieces. i am sure i will bump into frustrations and annoyances with this huge project - but right now the edits others are making to the pages (including the personal entry) seem wise and appropriate.

i am curious, if you have time for another question, about the "watch this page" tick box, i have checked it for several articles i am interested in and i assumed that when there were non-minor edits i would get some type of msg, yet i have not. Am i doing something wrong, or expecting the wrong thing ?

thx again for all your efforts.

paxus at twin oaks planes into towers + 5

About Boyko Hadjiyski

You can see details about his features and articles on www.zakonnik.net, editions 2004-2005.But the information there is only on Bulgarian.

About Boyko Hadjiyski

See also http://www.7sport.net/archive7ds/2006/08/03/footbg/d4407_4.htm

but this page is on Bulgarian too.

Youngblood

It didn't assert importance, it was a rip off of the original Dog and was promotional and fell under CSD A7. Thanks, Yanksox 02:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Lincoln Christian College

I'm sure there is, but that article wasn't about any of them. From the first revision:

"Lincoln Christian College is a higher education establishment for the bettering of ninjas and pirates to better combat each other in the ongoing struggle. With different areas of learning including Philosophy, Music, War Tactics, Fine Cooking, Business Management."

If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably created by a student at a real college by that name as a joke, but it was definitely speedyable as WP:BOLLOCKS. -- Vary | Talk 03:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Foundation for Ecological Security

You might want to look at Foundation for ecological security (different capitalization, dreadful article). It's possible the properly capitalized article somehow resulted from a botched Move attempt, which Moved the "linkless" template instead of the article. I don't know what's salvageable from that article, but it should end up as a redirect to the one you're working on. Fan-1967 23:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

re Country Radio Broadcasters, Inc.

Ok, fair enough. Herostratus 03:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Berthold Ullman

Thanks for the response about this article. As it was, I did not see what was specifically notable, but your expansion helped. - Triviaa 20:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Marjorie Wee

Hi. You voiced an opinion on the AfD of this article. I was of the opposite opinion. Somebody else agreed to mine, and unfortunately, his comments when taken with mine could be taken as an accusation. I have replied myself -- but I would appreciate it if you could review the comments on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marjorie Wee. I added my recent comment after reviewing the AfD and noticing that when combining my comment with Isotope23's reply, one could infer that I had originally meant the sock/meat puppet comment to imply your involvement. I truly, wholly, emphatically did not. This message is a "heads up" to let you know that you might want to monitor what's going on on the AfD page. Any replies are welcome on my talk page. Cheers! Storkk 01:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Two people

Do you think John Robert Mulroy or Joe Dowdall are notable enough per WP:BIO guidelines? They both went to the same school in Michigan. Silensor 23:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, i'm still trying to get all the rules and lingo down. Thanks for the help.

Mathematicians in Laval and McGill

Good question. Well for sure this article on fr:Jean-Marie De Koninck could be translated. He's certainly an interesting and versatile character. But I wouldn't feel right doing that given I'm his colleague (although strictly speaking a different department. I'm not familiar with the history of the math departments at both places, especially since my grad studies were in CS. There are a few notable CS people at McGill, including Luc Devroye, Bruce Reed, Denis Thérien but I don't think it makes sense right now to build articles for them. My feeling is that there are already too many articles in here concerning living academics. Pascal.Tesson 03:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

AfD nomination notification

What was the purpose of that AfD nomination notification? Surely if I was interested in that article, I would have it on my watchlist? I appreciate your goodwill, but I think you were a bit over-enthusiastic there. You probably didn't even notice that my only contribution to that article was to remove a single space -- hardly an example of being "involved in editing". Maybe you should post your notifications less blindly in future? — Timwi 12:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review