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Welcome. My Wiki specialism is world airlines, where I have submitted hundreds of articles and additions. I also have a major interest in Northern Ireland entries for towns, villages, places of interest etc.

I have added to the Downpatrick (Irish Towns) entry and that led to new pages on St Patrick's Day and Down Cathedral.

I also added a 461AD page (St Patrick's death), but have discovered that a page for 461 already exists. I can't seem to find out how to delete such mistaken pages - any advice, anyone??

Heya, and first of all: Welcome to Misplaced Pages!

Generally, you'll want to ask questions at the Misplaced Pages:Help Desk, as people will only come to your talk page if they want to ask or tell you something, which means that especially for new users, there won't be may users coming by here. If you prefer, you can also ask on my talk page, I'm happy to help anyone with questions.

For the mechanics of deletion, have a look at Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy. In this case, since you're the sole author and have requested it to be deleted due to a mistake, I've just deleted it directly without needing to go through the whole voting thing. Once again, welcome to wikipedia and I hope you stick around. --fvw* 20:03, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)

Many thanks for the help - I was really concerned about that 461AD page. I will certainly stick around. Will talk to you again. Ardfern 22:05, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

St Patricks Day

Hi there - I've merged your St Patricks Day article into the existing St. Patrick's Day. I've reworked the article a lot, so feel free to have a look and see if there's any further improvements that can be made. Thanks, sjorford 22:11, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Excellent thanks - guess I should have checked out St Patrick's Day as well as St Patricks Day. You live and learn. Ardfern 22:25, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good job man!

That was a great job categorizing all Airline article in Category:Airlines. It was really messy. Thank you! --Pouya 15:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks - good to get it into some sort of order--Ardfern 02:40, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Northern Ireland local authorities

Is there a particular reason for splitting off the councils in Northern Ireland? I'm worried it may undermine the Derry City/City of Londonderry compromise, and few of the articles are very long. --Henrygb 17:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was useful to split NI Councils out because they were mixed up very confusingly with cities, towns and counties and are a huge and important part of local democracy here. Not sure I understand your Derry/Londonderry reference - the articles reflect the reality of the situation. Some articles are small, but it is a work in progress, with elections looming --Ardfern 18:55, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The compromise titling the article Derry was based an a simplistic historical analysis: once there was a town called "Derry" on the east bank of the Foyle. Then a new "City of Londonderry" was built on the west bank of the Foyle and given a city charter. The current local authority, covering an area which included both banks and more, decided to call itself "Derry City Council", but the city charter was left unchanged. So given that the article covered all three, it was argued that title of the article should be "Derry". But if Derry City Council is a different article then this weakens the case, and could lead to disputes. I will think further. --Henrygb 22:56, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Airlines

If they're already listed in "Defunct airline companies of the United States", why list in the "Airline companies of the United States" as well? james_anatidae 01:51, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

There is no way otherwise to get a complete picture of all US airlines. Another approach would be to replace (and reduce) the category "Airline companies of the United States" with "Current airline companies of the United States". For consistency this would then have to be done throughout the Airline category - a bit of a task. --Ardfern 02:45, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

List of airlines

Hi Ardfern! The work you're doing with List of airlines is great but can I ask you to please do more edits at a time. The History Page of that article has a lot of edits by you very close together in time. This makes the history of your edits very long for someone who is checking through them (as I was). Just try to prepare more edits for each time you log on  :-) BestWishes - Adrian Pingstone 18:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Adrian many thanks for the advice - helpful to better understand edit style required.Ardfern 20:28, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would like to ask for help: user 202.156.2.170 (all contributions) had made dozens of changes related to airlines. These and many others look like vandalism. I reverted some but its not my area. Would you (or other people contributing there) please review if there is something wrong left?

The user sits behing shared IP so admins are not willing to block it permanently, unfortunately. Pavel Vozenilek 21:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(copy of answer to your question from my Talk page) I asked for ban on . You may add comment, hopefully some admin will wake up and act. Pavel Vozenilek 00:30, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hi. Suffice 19:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

You asked Pavel Vozenilek how to deal with vandalism. Fire Star solved the short-term problem here, but for your reference you might like to read Misplaced Pages:How to revert a page to an earlier version and Misplaced Pages:Dealing with vandalism --Henrygb 19:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Airlines

You almost done all those airline stubs yet? It is making my searching for new airport articles most difficult. Anyway, keep up the good word. Cheers. Burgundavia 02:32, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

• Here I was thinking you were done, and then you pop up and make my searches difficult again. Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 23:30, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed that you've been adding code data to a number of airline articles. Instead of using the inline "Code Data" section, please add the {{airline infobox}} to the article, as we are removing the separate section in favor of the infobox (we may keep the {{airline codes}} template, but as of now that is undecided). Please see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Airlines/Codes for more information or to add your own input to the discussion. Thanks. Dbinder 21:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• Please refrain from adding the "Code Data" section to airline articles. I have been removing them and will continue to do so. If you disagree with this, please go to the WikiProject page. Dbinder 19:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Onur Air

Bizarre that two people from Belfast take an interest in the same obscure Turkish airline! I've actually flown with them (from Bodrum to İstanbul last September) and it was a reasonably pleasant experience.

Just one thing - I try and keen proper Turkish spelling in Turkey related articles, hence the funny & # stuff which represent Turkish characters which don't appear in the basic ASCII character set.

Thanks for the helpful edits. Gerry Lynch 23:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Airline data

There is a template for the codes that is working it's way into useage on more articles. It has been modified several times as editors have made changes to the way the information is displayed. So, that appears to be the way to go. This template was formed since some articles had this manually entered at the beginning of the articles, in different formats, and other articles had the data under a heading. It also correctly links to other wiki articles.

Destinations have been moved out of many articles since the lists were too long. This data was being updated in a format that closely follows the standard based on continent and country list used in many places in wikipedia. Your lists of destinations, and yes, they are destinations and not services, don't follow anything used by the larger airlines. Your changes also remove corporate ownership which is articles across the board seems to be near the beginning of the article. This is important since many airlines are ownned by a holding company that many own several airlines and related companies. If you want to make whole scale changes like this, I would suggest that you start a wiki airlines project, announce it and discuss it there. Going in and wiping out changes that were standardizing, or had standardized, the data in a way different then yours is counter productive. Vegaswikian 4 July 2005 19:38 (UTC)

• Yes, airlines provide service to destinations. Those are listed by the airline as destinations. They list destinations and they fly to destinations. They offer service to a destination. They don't fly to a service. Airlines on their web sites commonly use 'select destination city' or something simplar for choosing your destination. So destinations would appear to be correct. Bottom line, this probably needs a project to discuss what is the best way to go. I have been flying, for many years and never used or heard the term service applied to destinations. I worked as a travel agent and never used or heard service used to describe destinations. So I don't know where this came from. Misplaced Pages searching does not add much, the closest is Tourist destination. Vegaswikian 4 July 2005 23:31 (UTC)

• I created a wiki project Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Airlines for this. Please do join in there. Vegaswikian 5 July 2005 02:44 (UTC)

List of towns/universites of Northern Ireland

I have moved these back to their previous article names because their is a general convention on the naming of such articles as they are lists more than articles. Djegan 17:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I have replied on my talk page. Djegan 18:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: AVIACSA

Hello, thanks for the explanation. I was reverting vandalism and misinterpreted the blanking, which was done by an anonymous user without explanation in the edit summary, as such. Hence the revert. I have made the page redirect to Aviacsa, since it is general practice to avoid blank pages for a number of reasons (e.g. people who look up AVIACSA might conclude that we do not have an article about this airline, see also Misplaced Pages:No blank pages). Sietse 11:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

List of airlines

Hello I noticed your edit to the list . Could you please take a look at talk:list of airlines#Sorted by sovereign States? Thanks. — Instantnood 07:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Komiinteravia

Hello, good work on Komiinteravia, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not provide any references or sources in the article. Keeping Misplaced Pages accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Komiinteravia? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or see WP:CITET if you wish to review some of the different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 00:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Impulse Airlines

Thanks for tidying this article up a bit. I have changed the wikilink to J41s back to BAe Jetstream 41 from Handley Page Jetstream because they are two separate articles. The former deals specifically with the J41 whereas the latter deals with earlier versions of the Jetstream. The type acquired by Impulse was the J41. Also, could you please take another look at the part that says:

"The airline was acquired by Qantas in November 2001, forming part of the QantasLink group of subsidiary airlines. It ceased operations on 24 May 2004 and in May 2005 its operations were integrated into the QantasLink network."

I'm sure these dates aren't right. This suggests that the airline didn't fly at all between May 2004 and May 2005 but that it re-commenced operations in May 2005. I'm confused because I'm sure that Impulse was flying as Jetstar in 2004. I'm not sure what this section should say. Thanks. -- Adz 07:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC) (PS. I left a version of this message on the Impulse airlines talk page).

Your plagiarism

At Air Nova. Fixed it. Ouuplas 22:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Aldergrove

Sorry, was the census information inappropriate to include or is it included on one of the links you added? Just needed to know if it was incorrect for me to re-add that info. Kuzaar 19:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. :) Kuzaar 20:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Ballinamallard

Hey Ardfern thanks for the census stuff on the Brookeborough page I created. Just letting you know that there were several generations between the minister and his more famous offspring in Ballinamallard. He was 18th Century. Until recently my family owned the farm on which he was from.

Edit summaries

Please enter edit summaries for edits as often as you can. These allow other editors to quickly see the change made and allow you to provide an explanation. It is particularly important for edits that may be somewhat controversial, such as moving a poet from a category associated with Ireland to one associated with Northern Ireland. Thank you. Chick Bowen 22:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The Troubles

Hi, I've been deleting the Cain information you have been adding to various Northern Ireland town pages. I don't think there is any need to list every single shooting. Major gun or bomb attacks certainly should be though.

I'm finding them everywhere, do you know which towns you have edited? Thanks. Stu 16:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the work you have been doing on the categorisation of Northern Ireland pages is fantastic. You've fixed quite a few pages I categorised incorrectly when I created them. I'll be more careful in the future! Stu 16:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

minor edits

when adding names to articles please don't mark them as minor edits. also, please use the edit summary to help other editors see what you've done. thanks! Kingturtle 21:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

St. Patrick, died in ???

Hello Ardfern; concerning Patrick: I have since changed his year of death back to 493 because it is now - after decades of disputes, arguments and discussion - believed to be more accurate than that of 461. The latter date is now seen as that of Palladius, who was one of the Bishops and priests working in Ireland prior to Patrick. If you have any objections, please let me know and hopefully we can sort it out. Slan! Fergananim 14:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Airlines: Trade Air

Hi Ardfern; I am currently an employee of Trade Air and wanted to write an article about TDR - thnx: you did a great job. I was just wondering where you took all the information from? 16:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

African International Airways

"UK company Intavia assists in providing the management of African International Airways, which is owned by PJM Corbin and JL Warburton McBride (76%) and Intavia (24%)." What is the source of this please?

hey

what part of northern ireland do you live in? i live in belfat, but i go to just near larne on the edge of whitehead a lot.

Carryduff

Hello Ardfern, I notice you expanded the bit on the Irish name of Carryduff. I was just wondering what your source for this was? I hadn't heard mention of it before. (Is a placename like "Carryduff" just an Anglicisation of an original Irish one?)--feline1 14:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I see, I went to culturenornirond.org like you suggested, but they just state that translation there - there's no source given. So I emailed them to see where they got it from. (I'm just interested to know if they've simply done a restrospective Irish translation of the modern name, or whether there's records of the Irish name being used originally, and "Carryduff" is an Anglicised version of the original.) Cheers.--feline1 19:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sinn Fein politicians

Well done for adding the new category as well as the Progressive Unionist one. It has been on my to-do-list for a while and you have saved me a job, so thanks :-) Keresaspa 16:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Jenny Sherrard

Are sure she's an opera singer?

Superfluous category

I wish to understand why Sheehan was deleted from the category Irish writers seeing he falls into the category Authors in the Wikisource ?. Thank you and greetings Osioni 23:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Fair enough, but he was left "superfluous" and had not been moved to non-fiction writers as you said, I have just done that. When I look at Category:Irish writers I see at a glance at least a half-dozen who are also "Non-fiction" writers and just wonder why they remain. I'm not trying to start a tangle, I just wish to get clear. On the other hand Patrick Augustine Sheehan is in non-fiction but most (or all) of the Canon's writings are fiction. I've written up much of William O'Brien, where does he belong ? or P.A. O'Siochain or Elisabeth Hawkins-Whitshed as an "Irish writer" ? etc. etc. Osioni 21:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Buildings and structures in Ireland

I have reverted some of your edits for now. Please see Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 8#Category:Buildings and structures in Ireland for a current discussion about the category. It is intended to serve as an umbrella category for buildings and structures in all of Ireland, much as the Irish architecture category does not solely apply to either part of the island. Edits like making Category:Buildings and structures in Northern Ireland a subcategory of Category:Buildings and structures in the Republic of Ireland make no sense at all. - EurekaLott 21:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's good that somebody is trying to bring some order to these categories - your work is appreciated. While it would be nice if we could separate everything into Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland categories, some subjects (as I'm sure you know better than I do) cannot be divided so neatly. Some of the ambiguities, I think, could be cleared up with simple renamings. For example, Category:Bridges in Ireland consists entirely of structures in the Republic of Ireland, so the category could be renamed to Category:Bridges in the Republic of Ireland to avoid ambiguity. I didn't look through all the articles in Category:Castles in Ireland, but if all of the ones in Northern Ireland are included in Category:Castles in Northern Ireland, then it, too, could be renamed (provided the Northern Ireland category is removed as a subcategory). However, an article like List of tallest structures in Ireland that covers both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland has to go somewhere, and I don't know of a better place than Category:Buildings and structures in Ireland. Am I making any sense? - EurekaLott 01:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Donegal Airport

I was just putting an infobox in for the airport. When I checked the official I found that they spell the town "Carrickfinn" rather than "Carrickfin". I checked with Google (not always reliable) and it would seem that the double nn is more common but of course does not mean more correct. If you feel that the single n is the better spelling then can you change it back. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Belfast WikiProject

As you have contributed to an article relating to Belfast, I hope you could take some time to read this page about our new project: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Belfast.

Thanks. --Mal 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Death stats

Hi Ardfern, I'm sorry that I have reverted your edits on this subject today. But I really feel that some consensus should be reached before you start adding this again. There was an agreement before, and I feel you should stand by this until agreement is reached again. Cheers, Stu 21:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

How are you getting on with the Troubles-related deaths thing? I've been busy with the Belfast Project and with re-vamping the Northern Ireland project (feel free to enhance/add/use and abuse them both by the way!) --Mal 01:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You might be interested in a RM taking place at Talk:Prime minister (sic). Some users with a chronic lack of understanding of English moved the page to the ludicrous Prime minister (oblivious to the fact that the name either has both words capitalised or neither, never — except in a sentence — one lowercased and one uppercased. Feel free to contribute if you wish. FearÉIREANN\ 22:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Education_in_Northern_Ireland

Hi, I wonder if you would take a look at User:Keithgreer/Education_in_Northern_Ireland, to see what you think, it's not complete by any means. Also, would be a good idea to add sections on the various levels of education in NI (Primary, Secondry, Grammar, FHE, etc.)? Thanks. <font="center" color="#FFFFFF"> Keithology  Talk!  13:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

NI Primary schools proposed deletions

I've never step foot in any of the communities listed. I've never heard of the schools. But I do know that these are articles that deserve to remain on Misplaced Pages. I have voted to delete articles, almost always because the subject is offensive or hopelessly slanted. So many people seem to have an Encyclopædia Britannica view of what should be on Misplaced Pages, referring to WP:NOT as a justification for deletion, when it rarely applies to the article in question. I've done much work on school articles in my home state of New Jersey, and the least I can do is to show respect for those who have created school articles elsewhere. Best of luck with the AfD and all of your efforts on Misplaced Pages. Alansohn 20:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Newpage patroller

I've answered on my own talk page (I think it's easier to keep the back and forth together in that way), but as I didn't know if you had noticed it, I thought I'ld drop you a line here. Fram 19:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Primary schools

I saw your post on the Australian notice board, and while I generally agree with you, you're not really helping your own case. The articles you created were all one-sentence stubs of very little interest to anyone who didn't already know the school. One primary reason why we've been relatively successful in getting schools kept in Australia is because we take the time to write useful and interesting articles of at least two or three paragraphs. Rebecca 01:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

"Troubles" edits

Hi. I saw the edit you made to the Ballynahinch article. I know you're trying to improve things, I just want to give you my thoughts. The category you have created seems to me to unnecessarily fragment information. Even adding the link would be fine, but removing information about the '97 attack. There's no logic to that. Better to provide a summary and say more information is available at article X, category Y etc. Mark83 22:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Schools

Hi Ardfern, I noticed you were beefing up some of the NI school articles, thanks for that, it's better for random page users and it should make them less likely to get attacked. As someone who believes that even smallish schools are important enough for a comprehensive project like this one, you may wish to take a look at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 22. Kappa 17:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)