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interarticle linking

How do i do this? (link something like #1 in the contents to #2.3.4)

Page view

I am having technical issues with Covington Township, Michigan and similar pages.

1) I cannot click on the links in the Communities section 2) There are vertical lines where the geographical coordinates are || ||, and the text is unreadable and out of order.

I tried to remove the coordinates templates, and that solved the problem, but another user has restored them, and the problem has returned.

I also have a similar problem when trying to view other pages - I get more lines like //, which makes the text unreadable.

How do I fix this?

hypothesis

to start and frame the direction of my research.i have to make a quetionnaire. Help meon this topic.

human races

looking for the name world's human races but not getting

copyright problems

I read all about copyright problems, I went through the FAQ, I understand full well what a copyright is but I'm still confused about a few basic things when it comes to lifting material from other websites.

for example, this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Alastair_Summerlee

was copied from this website: http://www.upei.ca/stlhe/html/e_speakers.html

I can clearly see "Copyright University of Prince Edward Island © 2005" at the bottom of the web page. Is that what is meant by a clear copyright notice and is that copyright in regard to the contents of the website or just the website itself, if that's even possible. Is this copyright infringement or is this just plagiarism? Should they be treated as the same thing? Finally, is this a good example of something that should be tagged? I was about to fix this article before I saw that it had been copied. Now, I don't feel like dealing with it in any way other than having it tagged it for something, but what?

• Plagiarism and copyright infringement should basically be treated the same. Either tag it with the {{copyvio}} template or write a stub in your own words and ask an admin to delete the copyvio. Of course you should do that last one only if you think the subject is encyclopedic. - Mgm| 08:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The article on wikipedia is quite old and has undergone several revisions. Its very possible that the other site copied us. Suspected copyright violations can be listed at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems. As to your other question, yes that is a clear copyright notice and it is in regards to the contents of the website. And yes, if the article is copied verbatim it is copyright infringement. No, they are not the same thing. Hope this answers all your questions. -- Lost 08:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I went to look up Yael Dayan on Misplaced Pages. Afterwords, I googled her. I found the exact word-for-word on Misplaced Pages and on this website- http://www.answers.com/topic/yael-dayan I am outraged and I hope someone checks this out--Max 01:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Answers.com freely uses information on Misplaced Pages, as is noted on the page ("This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Misplaced Pages article "Yael Dayan".) You can read more about the GDFL here: GNU Free Documentation License. Kuru 02:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Quickbar

I need to move an article, and the instructions say I can do this bu turning on Quickbar. HOW do I turn on Quickbar?? Ian mckenzie 17:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Where have you seen these instructions? I don't recall encountering the term "quickbar", but it probably refers to the part at the top of the page with various tabs, "article", "discussion", "edit this page", etc. Accounts which have existed for 4 days have a "move" tab with which one can move (rename) an article. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 17:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Also remember that if the move is controversial, please list it at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves instead of moving it yourself -- Lost 17:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• The instructions were on the Move instructions page: "2. the button is in the quickbar, so this must be on." But now that I realize what the quickbar IS, I see the Move button is right there when I "edit this page"; there really is nothing to turn on. The instructions are a bit misleading, or I'm just not with it. Anyway, got it now; thanks. BTW, the move is not controversial, just correcting spelling in the title of my own creation. Ian mckenzie 23:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

ronald reagan

did ronald reagan play in the 1949 version of "all the kings men"?

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Ronald Reagan. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Misplaced Pages, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. -- Lost 10:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• If All the King's Men is the movie I think it is, it's an easier idea to see if it shows up in his IMDB entry. - Mgm| 11:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

'Leave a new message' template

Hello

How do I get a 'Leave me a new message' template on my talk page to make it look professional? If possible, please reply here. Auroranorth 11:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The best way is to copy the code from a user talk page you like, and make any necessary changes (such as the username in the URL). -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 11:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

edit history

Hey, just wandering if someone can help me.

Take a look at this edit history: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Username&diff=76063097&oldid=75963325

there are no changes. The only difference is that the paragraph had a yellow background on the left side, but a green one on the right side.

Exactly what edit did this person make?

And...what's the difference between the yellow and green backgrounds? Or does the yellow just represent 'before edit' and the green for 'after edit'?

Yaksha 13:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Look very carefully - you can see a comma (highlighted in red) was removed from the first sentence of the paragraph. Yes, the yellow background represents "before" and green "after". Cheers, Tangotango 13:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

ahh...it's people like you who make me feel so unobservant. I've been quite confused a few times with edits that are seemingly....editing nothing. Thanks Yaksha 14:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

live show

How can i view the live show in net system.

This is an encyclopedia. If you would like to know how to use this encylcopedia, please post a query here. If you would like to know anything else, you can try the reference desk -- Lost 15:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• And if you want an answer to your question, you should be more specific about what show and what system you are referring to. - Mgm| 17:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Firefox/IE page look

My User page looks fine in Firefox (which I edit with), but in Internet Explorer the boxes are not one-under-the-other, and so it looks terrible (you have to scroll left and right, instead of just up and down). Why is this, and does anyone know how to fix it? (My knowledge of Wiki markup is pretty good, but those boxes and tables are fiendishly complicated to get right). Thanks in advance. Batmanand | Talk 16:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It's probably an IE problem. IE has lots of problems. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 19:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Whilst that is probably true, I understand that the majority of Misplaced Pages users probably use IE, and I do not want my User page to be unreadable to them. Is there a way to fix it? Batmanand | Talk 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Why are you using a separate table for each section? Why not just make the page one large table? You can use cellspacing to put whitespace between the cells. --Kainaw 22:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to do all the formatting that I have done (such as borders on the different tables) with just one table? Is so, can someone direct me to the page that tells me how? Batmanand | Talk 22:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed your tables into one big table. I just removed where you closed one table and started a new one. You can add cellspacing to the big table to increase spacing between the cells. --Kainaw 23:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Download wikibooks

Can the wikibooks be downloaded for offline reference?

Yes, see here -- Lost 17:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you give a sample command in wget to download x86 Assembly wikibook. I used this but didn't work

wget -rk http://en.wikibooks.org/X86_Assembly

Family Crest/ Coat of Arms

im trying to find my family crest or coat of arms for the name "Bolick"

This help desk answers questions related to wikipedia only. You could try the reference desk. -- Lost 17:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as family coats of arms. Arms belong to one individual at a time, and then are inherited by that person's single heir. Other heirs of that individual may have arms which are similar to the first, but not identical. Just because you share the surname of an individual who bore arms, doesn't mean you have the right to bear those arms. In fact, in the UK, such activity is considered a copyright violation and could be interpreted as fraud. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested Articles

Where is the page where people can see what pages are needed to be added to wikipedia?

See Misplaced Pages:Requested articles and Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation -- Lost 17:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Language policy for user talk pages?

Hi all, I'm fairly au fait with wiki policy but I haven't been able to find anything about the following: is it considered unacceptable / impolite to use foreign (non-English) languages on user talk pages? I found a section about this but it seemed to refer to article talk pages. I've come across a number of users holding discussions in Persian (or similar, I'm not familiar with middle-eastern languages) which I don't think is helpful, but I'd like to be able to back up anything I say with reference to an official policy or guideline if one exists. Cheers, --Yummifruitbat 19:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• It's generally considered impolite to talk in a foreign language when someone else who doesn't know the language wants to get in on the act. Whenever someone needs one, you should try to provide an English translation (there's enough translators around). Quick thank you notes, discussions about article research or HD/RD questions should pose no problems if they're done in another language. If it's about vandalism, content dispute or something that could involve admin action or dispute resolution, it's a good idea to discuss in English. - Mgm| 20:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

There are circumstances in which it's acceptable to post in a non-English language. I remember once discussing an image copyright tag in English on a fr.wp user's talk page, because my French wasn't good enough to express what I wanted to say, for one example. But generally it's not a good idea, and certainly not when discussing anything controversial.--Cherry blossom tree 20:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Of course, its a bit hard to know what it's about if you can't read it! :) --Yummifruitbat 20:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

This Month in History

Hi, I know you have an area where there is histiry on any month. Like all of the famous births/deaths, or wars when they started or ended....you know....like that. I know you have it I just can't find it again. Please help me.71.36.17.202 23:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It isn't per month - it is per day. Type a day, such as September 17 in the search box. --Kainaw 23:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources

What is a official or nonofficial source, and where do I find that information?

Could you be more specific? I would hazard a guess that an 'official' source would be one directly connected to the subject, such as a website owned by them or by an agency employed by them, but you might be thinking of something different. If this question isn't related to Misplaced Pages then it should also be asked at the reference desk. --Sam Blanning 00:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect information

I just read John Madden's information and it states "...an upscale community east of San Francisco known as Blackhawk..." Blackhawk is in Danville, CA some 12 miles from where John Madden lives. How can this error be corrected? Please contact ***--24.4.112.80 00:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)bmw

• This is a wiki, so you can fix it yourself (click "edit this page" on the article page), or discuss on the article`s talk page. --24.20.69.240 00:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • The anon is correct, but are you sure about that? At least one news source puts Madden in Blackhawk , as does a real estate site. --Sam Blanning 00:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

find people

is there a way to find out about people; i.e. their police record or something?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.225.162.9 (talk • contribs) .

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

How do I erase my wikipedia search history?

How do I erase my wikipedia search history? The search box fills in text automatically based on previous searches, but I don't want that function. How can I turn it off? How can I erase past searches?

What browser are you using? On internet explorer, I think this will be fixed by going to tools--->internet options--->advanced--->take the checkbox out of "Use Inline AutoComplete".--Fuhghettaboutit 03:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Tandem

I see about six different pages regarging Tandem Computers. They all seem to be varients of each other. I can compare them and edit them to see what each variant contributes to the subject. I can consolidate those variants so that they all match. How can I reduce all the separate links so that they are one?

What you want to do, I think, is merge the pages into one cohesive article (and probably put the alternate article titles as redirects if appropriate). Good luck! —Keakealani 05:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Adding an "Edit Summary" retrospectively

I am new to the site and made an edit to a page, not knowing that I could (and in retrospect SHOULD have) add a note to explain what I had edited.

Is there any way of now adding the "Edit Summary" to an edit I made retrospectively?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drahmad (talk • contribs)

Not exactly. What you can do is make a dummy edit (one that changes the wikicode but not the way the page appears), and explain in its edit summary your previous edit. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Mark - where exactly and how exactly would I change the wikicode on the page? Would I add something like "Pricing details for NZ added" where I made the change, and then put this also in the edit summary? Regards Drahmad 05:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's Meni. The wikicode is what you see and edit when you click the "edit this page" tab (or alternatively, the "edit" links near section headers). One option is to find a place where a new paragraph is started:

This is the first paragraph
This is the second paragraph

And add an extra blank line:

This is the first paragraph
This is the second paragraph

This will not have a visible effect on the article, but it will force the software to accept your edit. When doing this, write in the edit summary: "In the previous edit, I added pricing details for NZ". However, unless you have made critical changes in the previous edit, I don't think all of this is worth the trouble. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 05:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry about getting your name wrong Meni!!! I must be tired :/ Regards, Drahmad 05:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, and no problem. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 05:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Editing what looks to be an imported table

I noticed on the page for John Cameron Swayze that there's a typo in the table at the bottom of the page. It says "Anchors of The NBC Nighly News" - "Nightly" is misspelled. But when I click on that page to correct the typo I only find {{NBCEveningNewsAnchors}}. I don't know how to amend that table, and I can't find the directions in the FAQ. How do I do this? Thank you. --Charlene.fic 06:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I've just fixed it, that template is at Template:NBCEveningNewsAnchors --Alf 06:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you: now I know how to correct future typos if I see them! --Charlene.fic 06:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

basically, anything in double squiggly brackets is a template. You can access any template by putting the word "template:" in to the url. (so http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NBCEveningNewsAnchors). An edit to a template changes how the template looks on every page that has it. Yaksha 06:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Problem with Incubus discography

I tried to open the Incubus discography page but I get an error "Misplaced Pages does not have an article with this exact name" even though I got there from a blue link. Then when I clicked edit, there was lots of imformation there! Is this just my computer and if so does anyone know how to fix it? The link is Incubus_discography --218.185.80.187 07:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It is appearing for me. One possibility is that you may have used the wrong case and the search is case sensitive. -- Lost 07:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

world map

hoe to watch the world's sattelite pictures indeatail?

I doubt if detailed satellite pictures are available to common people but you could try asking the reference desk. This help desk answers questions related to wikipedia only. -- Lost 10:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Image not embedding in text, causing large blank space

Dear Wiki Help Desk,

First, sorry if the answer to this has been posted, but I searched many of the FAQ and other subjects and I couldn't find it.

This is the code I'm using to (eventually) post a new article. When I preview it, the image is not embedded. It leaves a huge blank space opposite. I have tried making it a regule image rather than a book box, but that doesn't help...can't see the difference between this and other books' pages...

thanks for your help! Jgokmen 10:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The image is quite visible for me. Can you not see the image on this page? If you cant, then its an issue with your browser. -- Lost 11:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't see anything wrong with the code - it seems to be wrapping perfectly well here. You need to include the {{infobox book}} at the start of the article, if you aren't doing. If that doesn't work, could you save the article and post a link to that so we can see what happens there? Ta. --Cherry blossom tree 11:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a note - the image was a copyright violation and has been deleted on Commons.--Nilfanion (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

JASON Defense Advisory Group

HELLO, WIKIPEDIA:

Your article entitled "JASON Defense Advisory Group" is corrupted by at least two separate instances of frivolous, sexually-suggestive text.

Sincerely,

BRADLEY E. GERNAND Library Manager The Institute for Defense Analyses 4850 Mark Center Drive Alexandria, Virginia 22311-1882

Telephone 703-845-2405; fax 703-820-7194

(email removed)

Thanks for bringing it to our attention. The vandalism has been cleared now. Due to the nature of wikipedia, anyone can edit any unprotected article, so you can do it yourself from the next time. Just look for the edit button on top -- Lost 12:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Bayley's Curriculum Vitae

Is it possible to change Stephen Bayley's CV? Please let me know how we do this. Thank you Karen Benstead for Stephen Bayley T: 020 7820 8899

You can edit any article on Misplaced Pages simply by clicking the 'edit this page' button at the top of the page. --Cherry blossom tree 13:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Just remember that in this case, if you are doing it on behalf of somebody, it should comply with our neutral point of view policy along with the WP:BIO guidelines.. -- Lost 13:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

editing

Hello Misplaced Pages, I have always really liked using your site cause it comprehends so much information you otherwise would ahve to piece together for yourself. But recently many people told me to stop using it because everybody can edit anything and write wron or false information. I couldn't believe that and tried editing an article. And yes I coudl write down a false information. How does Misplaced Pages protect me from scenarios like that and can I really not trust Misplaced Pages at all. I cannot believe there is no control over the editing at all, otherwise many people would just write senseless stuff in the article I believe. So please tell me what you can do. And if it is true that you can add any information without it being controlled then I would recommend to change that, because it can lead to wrong results and confusion. Thanks your user —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weird musicluva (talk • contribs) .

Yes, this is a wiki and (almost) anyone can edit (almost) any page. However, it is incorrect to state "there is no control over the editing at all." Misplaced Pages has policies and guidelines that provide some level of control over editing. Also, see Reliability of Misplaced Pages for more info on your concern. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 14:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• In fact, there's more control on Misplaced Pages than elsewhere. Any crackpot can start a website and write down falsehoods (this is how a lot of urban legends still manage to spread). The trick is to trace down sources. Articles with sources are more reliable and you can see where people got their info from. Articles about non-controversial topics that many people edited are also more reliable than others because a lot of eyes are checking them. Just remember that you should be critical with any source you happen to read. False information isn't just on wikis. - Mgm| 15:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

winmx

Good Morning, I just tried to download winmx, I paid $50 something dollars for the download, I do not see any winmx, but instead got 360 share pro. Is this the same thing? If not how do i get winmx and how do i do the download again after i already paid for it? thanx Paul —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.61.54.78 (talk • contribs) .

This page is for help on editing/using Misplaced Pages. Try asking your question at the reference desk, the WinMX article's talk page, or contact their customer service. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 14:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Last time I had WinMX it was free, its shutdown may have changed it, but I fear you may have been scammed. Try the links in the WinMX article. - Mgm| 15:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Chess players and World champion page moderation

Dear Sirs

I am webmaster of www.chessworld.net and recently we have made available our database of 1.6 million chess games along with virtual player homepages and analysis facilities - all for public use.

I am upset and disheartened that a certain moderator will not allow our links in the "External links" section of the Chess player sections - and most recently has removed a page of World champions summary, which has content papers I have spent many weeks of my life developing.

The particular World champions page removed was:-

http://www.chessworld.net/chessclubs/statistics_pgn_worldchamps.asp

As you can see from the left column, there are also content articles as well as the Games links which hook into the Chessworld.net masters game collection.

E.g. Steinitz links to:-

http://www.souvenirworldja.com/chessworld/playbetter/Technical_Articles/worldchamps/steinitz/william_steinitz_1836.htm

Which I have spent many days of my life working on.

The moderator in question removed this World champions summary page from the following page in the External links section :

http://en.wikipedia.org/World_Chess_Championship

I just cannot believe this act of removal. The Chessgames.com database which he argues is higher quality may be missing many key games of World champions. Also we have a bigger community than Chessgames.com. We thought Wiki would like the fact that a major chess site with thousands of active members is providing good quality content for Wiki - both static HTML pages and dynamically generated database pages. We have a dedicated server for our chess games database. We have many members also actively annotating games.

Please could you help me understand why Chessworld.net cannot add value to the Wiki Chess enclopaedia?!

Best wishes Tryfon Gavriel Webmaster www.chessworld.net, Barnet chess club online Fide rating: 2164, ECF:182

Kingscrusher 15:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please use this link to discuss the change on the article's talk page; as it is being reverted it should probably be discussed before it is added to the article. You have to be very careful about adding links to your own websites because it is possible that you will have a biased opinion about whether it should be included or not. Finally, consider adding your website at the bottom of the list of external links rather than at the top; the previous link about adding links to your own websites explains why adding new external links at the top is discouraged. --ais523 15:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, it should be noted that Ioannes Pragensis, the user who has removed the link, is not a moderator of any sort - he is a user just like you. If you get no response in the article's talk page (Talk:World Chess Championship), you can ask him at his talk page (User talk:Ioannes Pragensis). -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for clarifying that :)

Quick Question

Hello, my question is this, how come the Main Page changes so early at night. I mean it's kind of confusing seeing the September, 18 selected anniversarys and on this day in history on September, 17 at only 9:00, Couldn't you just change it at 12:00 to save the confusion. Please let me know on my talk page Thankyou ---Seadog.M.S 15:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is edited and viewed by people from all over the world, so univeral time is used. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Search

I just created a page but when I search for it it doesn't come up. I've also edited another page to go to my page but it says my page doesn't exist. How long does it usually take for pages to show up and could there be another problem?

The search index is often out of date, sometimes taking weeks before it's updated. Recent changes are not reflected until the next time the search index is updated. Also, article names are case sensitive. The "go" button usually masks this, but if an article name includes a mixture of capitalized and uncapitalized words or any words in camelCase a redirect is necessary. -- Lost 20:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Or you could simply enter the title in the search box with the correct capitalization to begin with... - 87.209.70.231 20:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

George Kennedy (Georges Kendall)

I composed an article on former Canadiens owner George Kennedy (Georges Kendall) and it was orphaned. Would you please, since I have put my signature on the article, take it out of the list of orphaned articles and make it part of wikipedia?

You'll also need to fix it so that there are two George Kennedys---George Kennedy the actor and George Kennedy the hockey owner. Corey Bryant 20:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned in this context simply means that not many articles within wikipedia are linked to it. Just leave it for the time being and orphaned page patrollers will do the task for you. Regarding your second query, you will need to disambiguate the pages. Please see Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation -- Lost 20:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It being orphaned means that there are no (or few) articles that link to it. You can make links to it from relevant articles and then remove the template. I have also moved the article to George Kennedy (sports promoter) and linked this article from the top of George Kennedy so people can find it. --Cherry blossom tree 20:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Popular Culture Refferences

I've noticed that some articles have a section "Popular Culture References" and some only have "References". What is the criteria for this? Can I add a popular Culture section to an article that doesn't have one?

References is the section that contains the various sources where the article is cited from. Dont know about the popular culture refs though. Can you point out an article with such a link? -- Lost 20:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It depends what you plan to put in this "popular culture" section. Analysing how the subject has influenced popular culture is probably fine. Listing occasions when it has been mentioned in The Simpsons, Friends or Buffy is discouraged. --Cherry blossom tree 20:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I've seen a ton of these pop culture "mentions" - is there a policy discouraging their inclusion I can point to when removing them? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there isn't a clear policy outside of common sense... maybe you could try to argue for undue weight or synthesis of primary material (from WP:NPOV and WP:OR respectively), but if someone is determined there can be quite a bit of discussion (see, for example, my regretably long debate about including a Powerpuff Girls reference in Flatulence: Talk:Flatulence#Powerpuff Girls Addition to Literature .26 Art Section). Ziggurat 23:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow. That's a lot of wasted words. I've had a similar experience about removing one link to a forum. Anyway, the nearest thing to a policy on it is Misplaced Pages:Avoid trivia sections in articles but I doubt anyone not convinced by reason will be convinced by that. --Cherry blossom tree 23:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

signature change

I have changed my signature, but this does not appear on previously-edited pages. Do I have to change my username in order to have the previous usernames obscured? algocu 21:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The only way to change your previous signatures is to go round altering them by hand (or maybe with a bot, if you know how.) --Cherry blossom tree 21:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

collapsible menu

I've seen collapsible menu's on some category pages. Are those restricted to categories or can I use them to make lists? Either way, what is the wiki text for this?

Thanks!Cinicolo 21:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you can do the exact same thing, but you can get something similar using {{Hidden}}. --Cherry blossom tree 21:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Try the code used on User:MacGyverMagic/Articles. It's not exactly the same as in categories, but should fulfill your needs. - 87.209.70.231 21:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Editing Listed Company Link

I work for a company that is listed in red on the PRIDE, Melbourne rail network page. In view of the information published about not spamming, is there going to be any issues for me to setup a page talking about the Dallas Delta Corporation? Most of the information will be from company profiles and interviews with managers and perhaps some detailed technical information about the units supplied for the PRIDE network as well as some of the other systems provided (for motorists in tunnels etc). Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Stuart.elvish 00:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

There are various issues to consider. Firstly, the company must be sufficiently notable, otherwise the article may be deleted. If you think it is notable, after reading Misplaced Pages:Notability and Misplaced Pages:Notability (companies and corporations), then you can create it but there are still a few things you should bear in mind. Misplaced Pages's main policy is that everything should be written from a neutral point of view, so you need to make sure that the article is a balanced one and doesn't read like an advert or brochure. Also, content should be verifiable. Ideally this means that everything should be cited to published sources. In practice, a lot of things aren't, but you should try, especially for anything that could be remotely controversial. We also have a policy disallowing original research, so interviews with managers (if you've conducted them yourself) would not be a good source.

If all of this sounds incredibly complicated then I'd advise you just to write what common sense tells you would be a good encyclopaedia article on the subject and see what happens. If you want someone to look over it then just ask. Good luck. --Cherry blossom tree 00:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Inexplicable Login Issues

I had this very same problem when I first created my login many months ago.

When I first sign in (with the "Remember me" box checked), everything looks as it should. My username, watchlist & preferences buttons, etc. all appear in the upper right corner. When I click a link to another article, occasionally the buttons will still be there, but the vast majority of the time they are immediately replaced by "Sign in / create account". And if I do remain signed in after the first click or search, it always logs me out on the next.

If I'm on the "Login successful" screen and I click "my watchlist" or "my preferences", a page immediately appears reading "Not logged in" and offers to let me log in again. If I do so and try the same thing again, the outcome is exactly the same.

My browser is set to accept all cookies. I even tried putting en.wikipedia.org in my "Always Allow" list--nothing. I've tried using Internet Explorer instead of Firefox, but that had no effect whatsoever. I tried signing in on a laptop which was connected to the Internet via the same wireless network and satellite modem.

As I said, I had this same problem when I initially created my username. Then, it eventually just stopped for no apparent reason and remained very cooperative up until about a month or two ago when it suddenly relapsed (also with no apparent cause).

Can ANYBODY please help me? Or at least give me some ideas?

(my username is Raoul-Duke)

--67.142.130.49 00:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I have heard of this happening before with people using satellite modems, so it's possibly a problem with your ISP. I realise that's not much help, but it's all I can think of right now. Maybe someone else will know more... --Cherry blossom tree 00:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm having the exact same problem and I'd really like to fix this so I can upload some images.

- Jessaym

categories

How do I put my page in more than one category?!!!!!!!!!

Add multiple lines like ] ]. Please see Misplaced Pages:Categorization. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

non working page

when I go to thunderbird, it says that no article exists do you want to create it. But when I edit the page, I see the code for a nice disambig page. what's going on? --Froth 04:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I purged it, should be working now

†he Bread 04:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

KC1 salt

Respected Sir, Please give me brif outline about how to find K2O % in KCl salt. N.B.Patel

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 08:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

AHH HELP

Ok, i just dont get it. How do i get a picture from a folder on m desktop (windows XP) onto an arical im doing on wkipedia. I dont know which thing to press at the top of the editing page. The thing i thought you press is the embedded image icon, and it probably is, but it comes up with: Image:Example.jpg amd then what do i do???

Please help, thanx --William dady 08:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You need to upload the image using the link on the side bar below the search box. Make sure you use the appropriate copyright tag on it. Once uploaded, just link it to the article. See Misplaced Pages:Image tutorial for that -- Lost 09:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The world largest furniture wholesale center

Hi i'm Lisachew a new user. I have wrote an article about The World Largest Furniture Wholesale Center recently. But my article does not appear in the search result or any relevant topic unless i use go button with the exact article titles. I have try to use redirect in wikipedia sand box but I still can't get it.......Confuse...Help

Question: How to make my article listed in the search result or relevant search topic .....HELP!!!! I know that Misplaced Pages is not an advertising service, so increasing an article's visibility is not a concern for most users. But I as a contributor & newbie, was confuse with the seach result & not sure whether is my article being accepted or rejected by Misplaced Pages. When result shown " No Page With That Title Exists and You can create this article or request it". Shall I create another similar article under different title or using different mixed capitalisation article title or there is another way to improve it. Or is it due to a delay in updating the database if yes, how long I need to wait & who will help me to update this article.

Thank you. Lisachew1

I am not sure why you edited out my comment directing you towards the relevant answer in VFAQ but here is the answer again: The search index is often out of date, sometimes taking weeks before it's updated. Recent changes are not reflected until the next time the search index is updated. Also, article names are case sensitive. The "go" button usually masks this, but if an article name includes a mixture of capitalized and uncapitalized words or any words in camelCase a redirect is necessary. -- Lost 09:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Adding to my above comment, the article does exist. Just click on the linked article above. There is no need to create it again. -- Lost 09:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Search Engine Listings

I just wanted to know if i type an article name say "Trinity Catholic College" on a search engine like google, what would i have to do to make the article from wikipedia appear on the listings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truelife (talk • contribs) 11:59, 19 September 2000 (UTC)

There's nothing you can do. It's a new article, so you'll just have to wait for Google to update, and then it will appear. This usually happens quite quickly. --Cherry blossom tree 11:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

If you want results on google only from Misplaced Pages, type site:en.wikipedia.org/ Trinity Catholic College on the google search bar. You can use this string to search any site through google -- Lost 11:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Cherry Blossom Tree is right though. The article is too new to appear. Give it a couple of days -- Lost 11:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

What links here - or what doesn't link here

I saw this conversation on the Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) page. Should external links be used in such a way? What if a user wanted to see all the articles that link to another? 0plusminus0 22:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is no harm in using external links in the way described above. As to your second question, if you want to see all articles linking to an article, see in the sidebar below the search module. There is something called "what links here". That should give you all articles linking to that page. Does this answer your question? -- Lost 07:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I meant, if external links are used, then, in the 'What links here' bit, then those links will not be listed. This is a problem if I wanted to see all the pages that link to that page. 0plusminus0 23:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Error found

"Gettysburg Campaign"...first paragraph...Norway?

Thanks for pointing it out. It was vandalism and has been corrected now. You can also correct vandalism yourself by clicking on the edit this page tab at the top of any unprotected page -- Lost 11:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Following the edit you are reffering to it was reverted not to long after. Chris M. 11:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Template type thing

How can you use a regular page as a template: is it possible. With Portal pages you can just use the {{Portal:something}} but for just an ordinary article you wouldnt be able to use {{Something}} as it would think you want Template:Something. Is there a way to do this, or does it have to be made as Template:Something (in the template namespace)? chris_huh 12:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

To call the article kite as a template you would use {{:kite}} (note the colon) similar to how you would link to an image or category. --Cherry blossom tree 12:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

oh yeah, i suppose that makes sense. While i'm on the topic, can you then use just a section as a template - i would have thought if you put {{:kite#Types of Kites}} it would just use that section? Is that right? or even possible? chris_huh 12:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you can use a section as a template. (tests on sandbox) No, you can't. If you find a need it might be worth splitting the section into a separate article, but this sort of thing is rarely done because it's usually not useful. --ais523 12:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

how to create disambugation page

Hello:

I was looking at List of fictional United States Presidents and at Paul Roudebush the link to Vanished is to the new Fox tv show not the Fletcher Knebel novel and the movie based on it, which at least should have a redlink on a disambugation page. I could and can create a page for the novel (I think there was at least a stub article for this at some time, but now it's vanished. ha, ha!) Anyway could find nothing in help or at FAQs how to create a disambugation page when one of the articles already exists. I don't want to mess up what already exists, so I hope a more experienced editor could assist here. Thank you Iwalters 13:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

First decide whether you want the disambiguation page at Vanished or Vanished (disambiguation). If there's an article in the way, move (rename) it to something else, for instance Vanished (TV show). Then edit the page you want to be the disambiguation page according to the instructions in Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (disambiguation). Place {{otheruses4}} on each article linked from the disambiguation page, using it to link back to the disambiguation page (see Template talk:otheruses4 for instructions). --ais523 13:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Disappeared Wikibook

I am trying to find out what happened to this wikibook:

http://en.wikibooks.org/Wikibook_of_Ultimate_Games_and_Cheers

It's possible that it's been removed for lack of activity, but I can't trace what happened.

I and some other people wanted to add more content. If it was decided that the wikibook was not suitable, I would like to know at least why and retrieve the content that was there.

Thank you for you help.

Nanoflop 13:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Its deletion log is on public record: http://en.wikibooks.org/search/?title=Special:Log&page=Wikibook_of_Ultimate_Games_and_Cheers (it seems to indicate that it was removed due to unsuitability for Wikibooks). --ais523 13:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded image dissapeared

Dear admin, I uploaded a map and put it in the article I was working on. It functioned all right, but now it disappeared. I have no idea what is wrong. Please have a look at it. The Image file is: Darha.jpg The article is: Draa River Thank you for your trouble.S710 15:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be working for me. Try visiting http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Draa_River&action=purge to force the page to reload and see if it works for you then. --ais523 15:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi S710,

I still see the image on the Draa River article's History section. Hope your problem is resolved. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

womens

Names of all Indian womens in corporate world,politics,games,movies.

Here are some, Gita, Uma, Anila :) --Darkfred 15:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually Category:Indian businesspeople might be a good start, however this question should have been asked at the reference desk. --Darkfred 15:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

name of the author

Hi, I try to get to know the name of the person who wrote the articel about Westport(Irish town). How can I do this??

Go to Westport, County Mayo, then click on the 'history' tab at the top of the screen (next to 'edit this page'), and you'll get a list of all the people who have helped to write the article. (It's rare to find a Misplaced Pages article with only one author!) --ais523 15:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• If you want to know this because you need to cite the article, try the "Cite this article"-link in the menu on the left. Also, read Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages. - Mgm| 16:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Appropriate Action for IP Sockpuppet

Editor Malfarra has been repeatedly removing COPYVIO warnings and adding copyright/advertisement material to the entry on Jupiter Airlines, ignoring talk page warnings and the COPYVIO template itself. After a week, I believe that Spam3 (which includes reference to a potential block) got through, because this editor just made an edit using an IP, so this edit would not be attributed to the user name Malfarra. While this could be a coincidence, I doubt it. What would be the correct course of action? Sockpuppet warnings? Semi-protection for the page? Nothing right now, but one of those in the future? Wyatt Riot 16:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents is the appropriate place to report this kind of non-clear-cut possible spam; it may be best to revert and warn once (personally, I'd assume good faith on the IP once but no more, simply using {{spam}}). If it happens any more after that definitely go to AN/I and ask the administrators to consider the situation, as they're the only ones with the permissions to do something about it. --ais523 16:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Good advice. Thank you! Wyatt Riot 16:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

philosopher ayer

i am taking a class and can not find out what my teacher is refering to when He say compare ayer in his use of sexist speech what does this term refer to it is not in the book or encyclopedia has anyone ever heard of it thanks152.163.100.11 16:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)pat

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 17:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Alfred Ayer. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Misplaced Pages, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps.24.20.69.240 20:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Origination of thidea for music on television and the benefit to 24/7 music.

I have been thinking continually about the ingenious idea of Music and Television. The fact that cable TV was taking away listenership from radio, and the fact that the merging of the two provided millions of jobs, billions of viewers, and trillions of dollars means there is something all good.

Except for the fact that the originator of the idea was gotten rid of by greed. HI!!

History thereof...

I was arriving home from the beach stoned and drunk as usual, modtly due to the targeting that allowed for the theft to begin with (A/C Phone lines), yet the fact being that I asked what my friend that really is not a friend wanted to do; watch television (NEW CABLE) or listen to music. We decided to smoke more pot instead, and I thought that it would be great if they could put music on television so that people could watch television and listen to music at the same time; Sort of like stoney TV. The conversation included statements concerning the facts that music was going to go bankrupt, etc... (Details at Voyeur.com)

Two years later I made the comment that I had thought of that idea, and it was the greatest thing to be able to watch music on television. Twenty Five years later I realize that the idea was stolen through the A/C phone lines that targeted people who were implemented. Activation of these implementations cause a lot of not understood pain and suffering until proven, yet at that point in time I was unaware, and continually got stoned to ease the headaches that started in third grade math.

Truth be known, I would have never smoked, was implemented at one-week of age, and at twenty four while serving Military Intelligence for the U.S. Army, was implemented again as a step it up process by these people that stole my idea that allowed for millions of people to have jobs, billions of people to be entertained, and trillions of dollars for an economy that was about to be bankrupt.

Now that it has been fourteen years since I proved the implementation that started my research into the truth of my life, the aeffects of being targeted, voyeurized and controlled through telephonic activations that cause headaches at the least, I think that the ability to allow the originator of the idea for MUSIC TELEVISION to provide for his children he was to never know about, and the finances that were stolen so that I would not have the ability to raise these most precious, beautiful children born for many reasons besides their continual attempts at murder, to have what was rightfully earned is here and now; Except for that ass that continually says that he is me, and everybody knows the opposite. I am... not greedy, but would not mind the percentage that would allow for these possibilities to raise those a part of my life.

Sincerely, not sin-seriously, John Wesley Blum

Er, do you have a question about Misplaced Pages? --Sam Blanning 18:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Tinfoil hat is over that way. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

UEFA Cup 1999-00 Final result

I feel the result of the final should reflect the similar format used throughout the rest of Misplaced Pages, However Waya 5 who seems to have created GS1905 because he was banned under the WP:3RR rule, and also have Rigobert Song feels the result should be as it is on uefa.com, yet the format he is placing it in is not the same as on UEFA.com, could someone, preferably an administrator, please decide, even if it's to just leave it as it is, as i don't think keeping on wasting space on your server with this semantic difference in the format of the scoreline, is worthwhile. You can see from the history how we differ - this is his version 14:02, 19 September 2006 and this is my version 11:05, 19 September 2006 --Chappy84 19:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You probably want Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution (and maybe Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets) but before then I suggest you try Talk:UEFA Cup 1999-00. --Cherry blossom tree 20:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Case sensitivity in a page title

I recently created a page for the "North American Forum." Although I typed it in just like that, the page is currently titled as follows: North american union.

How do I get capital A and U in there? I've looked everywhere without luck.

You will (unless you've only had an account for a few days) see a 'move' tab at the top of each page. This will allow you to rename articles (putting capitals in and so on) by moving them to new titles. I've moved this one to the capitalised name for you.--Cherry blossom tree 21:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Questions and answers

If someone has a question that hasto be asked, could you please tell them to start with I hafta ask this cause of.....Q&A gets boring and tedious for those who have been called answering machines.

What was the question concerning Fascism?

P.S. Where's the money for my idea that it took? P.S.S. If a person has not learned by now the aeffects of sevenfold, then please show them the truth before it occurrs.--Blumwesleyjohn 21:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)--Blumwesleyjohn 21:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)JWB

daily program for WIND

I've searched your pages and cannot find the daily programs for WIND am. I am interested in when Michael Savage is on. Want to know the daily program for the station.

This is a help page for using Misplaced Pages. Such questions are better asked at the reference desk. As it is, perhaps a Google search for WIND am radio would do the trick. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yours is a very hard to use web site

I have repeatedly tried to:

Create an account.

Submit an article.

Contact you via email.

All three have been thwarted by your arcane log on and submission procedures. Indeed, once I got the hang of joining up I made an error and then your system would not allow me to correct it. Hopefully, this message will somehow, in some way, manage to get to somebody's computer monitor for a lookover.

Anyway, I have published four books, edited a technical encyclopedia, and published over 150 magazine articles, and I simply wanted to install a short biographical sketch in your encyclopedia.

How over one million other articles were submitted to your site is a mystery to me. Your customers must have the patience of Job or the keyboard expertise of a piano master.

Howard Ferstler Ferstler@yahoo.com

Huh, that's a new one. I don't know what to say; it takes a few seconds to create an account, linked to from "Create account" on the login screen. You need to have account in order to write a new article. Grandmasterka 22:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sirs,

I am an old man and I simply do not care to fool with accessing (or, rather, attempting to access) your system any more.

I do not like disabling my cookie function to log in and I found that when I wanted to email you people about problems I was having with both getting an account and submitting some material it was impossible to do so. I killed a whole hour making the attempt. I want to deal with people and not machines. No doubt, this reply will go to a machine and will be deleted, unread.

By the way, I have composed and published over 100 biographical entries for the 2005 edition of The Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound and was toying with perhaps submitting a number of them to your internet version. Not now, however. Too much trouble.

Just for kicks, below is my own vita that I also intended to submit:

Born in 1943, Howard Ferstler got his electronics training in the US Air Force in the 1960’s, serving as a B-52 technician after his technical schooling. After leaving the service in 1965, he attended and graduated from Florida State University, worked for 35 years in the University library, and is now retired. He has long been interested in high-fidelity audio technology and he continues to be in touch with developments in the field. Over the years he has come to know many audio-industry notables, including several who have made breakthrough contributions to the science of sound recording and reproduction.

Ferstler published his first article in High Fidelity Magazine in 1975, and went on to publish over 150 additional articles in Stereo Review, Fanfare, Audio Magazine, The American Record Guide, Consumer Digest, The Audiophile Voice, and The Sensible Sound. He continues to write occasional product reviews, record reviews, and commentary columns for the latter.

In 1991, McFarland published his first consumer-oriented audio/video book, High Fidelity Audio-Video Systems, and in 1994, they also published High Definition Compact Disc Recordings, which was a compendium of record reviews that concentrated on sound quality. In 1997 Schirmer Books published his second consumer-oriented audio/video book, The Home Theater Companion, and in 1999 A-R Editions published The Digital Audio Music List, his second compendium of sound-quality oriented record reviews. Ferstler then went on to do the technical editing and additional article writing for the second, 2005 edition of The Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound.

Howard lives in Tallahassee, Florida with his wife, three cats, and three completely separate and rather elaborate audio-video systems.

End of vita.

Tough luck, guys, but then again you still have over a million other articles to brag about.

Howard Ferstler

(Note - I moved this from the bottom of the page as it was not a fresh query but a run-on from the same user --Charlesknight 23:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC))

In response to your actual query - well I guess the answer is "so long then!". If you are notable, I guess someone will write an article about you at some stage. --Charlesknight 23:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• In the bar to the left there is a link Misplaced Pages:Contact us which lists at least one email address to contact Misplaced Pages with and it also has links to several help pages. WP:FAQ (especially the technical section) seems to be what you are after. - Mgm| 07:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Where can I go for a chat?

Don't worry I'm not in the wrong place.. let me explain. I've been editing for while now and know my way around. A couple of days ago, I put forward an AFD in good faith. However from the response, I'm clearly out of step with what the community feels is encyclopedic. I'm now concerned that maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm doing and my wiki-judgement is suspect. Is there a place anywhere for editors to talk about such matters?

--Charlesknight 22:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Check out WP:IRC for a list of chat channels. If it makes you feel better I agree. But since the notice only appears on a page frequented by the mangaencylopedia crowd i doubt it attracted many other voters. We have more information on pokemon than the american civil war. But then again we arn't running out of disk space and people care enough about it to write hundreds of thousands of articles. *shrug* --Darkfred 22:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Which policy comes first?

There is much controversy on a talk page about NPOV and common usage. Which comes first?

In this case, the article is about a political issue, and naming the article one thing or another is considered by users to be POV. We have tried to use a neutral name, but it seems to some to be slightly POV and rarely used. Which comes first, overwhelming common usage or NPOV? =KiteString= 23:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Without knowing the specifics of the debate it's difficult to comment. In theory it's difficult to see how there could be a conflict between NPOV and common usage since NPOV would usually to require that the common term be used but there could be special cases. --Cherry blossom tree 00:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal

I have been "blacklisted" for this service and do not wish to use it for any other listings. Apparently editors believed I was trying to spam or promote when I was simply trying to add listings. Therefore it is in all of our best interests to remove my name from this database, especially since it is personal information that I do not wish to have public. Please do so. Thank you.

I'm unsure what you mean. You seem to have added links to http://www.speakinc.com/ across many articles and (possibly) created some articles that were deleted. I'm not sure what you mean by 'blacklisted'. We have a spam blacklist, but this website isn't on it. You haven't been blocked. You perhaps think that your contributions aren't welcome because of who you are - I can assure you this isn't the case. People have to spend a considerable period of time being deliberately disruptive before we get to that stage. People have complained because they feel you have contravened policies as explained on your talk page.

You seem to be implying that you wish to leave. Obviously we'd rather you didn't, but if you've made your mind up then you're welcome to. If you don't plan to edit again then you can blank your talk page. --Cherry blossom tree 00:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I also hope you'll consider sticking around and making positive contributions to our encyclopedia, but if you do wish to disappear, perhaps this page will help Right to vanish. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 00:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Title Changes

How do you change the title of your page?

See Help:Moving a page. Dar-Ape (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If you have either no account or a very new one then you cannot move (change the title of) pages. If this is the case then you can post here what you would like moving and someone will take a look at it for you. --Cherry blossom tree 00:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Can't stay logged in

After I sign in I'll be automatically logged out. I've been attempting to edit a page and I can't upload a picture because once I get back to the page I'm already logged out.

The first thing you could try would be to ensure that your browser allows cookies for this website. --Cherry blossom tree 00:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

deleting a article

Ho do you delete a article

Only administrators are able to delete an article with its history. You may request that an article be deleted through speedy deletion or other methods. Grandmasterka 00:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy for a thorough treatment, but the three main methods (in ascending order of complexity) are speedy deletion, proposed deletion and wikipedia:articles for deletion. The first two require you to place a tag on a page (which can be removed if there is disagreement) while the latter involves a debate over the article's merits. --Cherry blossom tree 00:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Various Problems With Logging In

I forgot my password and contacted Misplaced Pages. I was told that a new password would be forwarded to my e-mail address. However, none have been received, despite repeated queries. (My address is (removed to protect from spam), and I believe my log-on is Julian9.)

I would love to stop being mistaken for a muck-up artist, as I am eager to edit sloppy grammar in various entries.

Thanks for your consideration.

The email address used for retrieval is the one you entered when you created the account. Is it possible you didn't enter it, or spelt it wrong? It's also possible there's a delay in sending you the email. Anyway, User:Julian9 has no edits, so you could simply create a new account. --Sam Blanning 01:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

OK! Thanks, I will. -- "Julian9"

How to change skins??

I wanted to rename my article but to do that I changed skins now I want the default skin back....how do I do that????

Normally you go to 'my preferences' at the top left and then 'Skin'. But I'm not sure how you managed to change your skin in the first place without knowing that, nor how having a different skin would affect renaming your article. --Sam Blanning 01:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a technical problem which sometimes prevents users from accessing the preferences when using a skin other than monobook. In this case, click here to return to monobook. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 12:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Change Tag on a Picture?

I posted a picture and did not change the name of the picture. It's name does not fit for the use. Can you please tell me how to change the tag? M3rlin1972 02:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If you mean renaming the file, there is no mechanism to do this other than uploading the file under the new name and deleting the old one (you can put {{redundant image}} on the old one to get it deleted). If it's an image you created, please consider uploading it to Wikimedia Commons so it can be used by other wikipedia projects. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

who

who is your publisher? If i am trying to reference this site in my bibliography who is the publisher? and how do i find the write of a particular article?

thank you

Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages might be of use to you. Since this is a Wiki, it is not written by one specific person and is not professionally published - therefore it is not appropriate to credit any article to such a person. You can find a list of contributors in the history of the article, but it's not entirely appropriate to attribute the article that way, either. —Keakealani 02:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Well, it is professionally published, just not on paper. But collaboratively by many authors on the net.- Mgm| 04:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I need help on CULTURES!!!

Hi! My 7th grade class is doing reports on Cultures. I need help on choosing one. I was wondering if you had lots of info. on any that I could do. One that most people wouldnt do. It would be great if you could help!!! Thank You, Ashley (a user)

please visit the reference desk and pose your question there. Or, just read the culture article. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Quick question...

On Misplaced Pages, we can use # to make numbered lists. Is there code to make lists, with say, Roman numerals? --HappyCamper 03:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's all the various markup codes, but I don't see anything to format for Roman numerals. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

With its absence in the markup, you could always wing it...

This:

:'''I.'''
:'''II.'''
:'''III.'''

Will get you:

I.

II.

III.

Hope that helps. —Mitaphane _talk 03:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Editing Question

I have an editing question, but I'm not sure what to call the thing that I'm trying to change. I'm a Pittsburgher and I've been updating articles about the city and anything that has to do with it. Well, while I've been adding info to the pages Pittsburgh corporation i noticed a problem with one of the category boxes on the bottom. I'm not sure if that's even the proper name for it, but it's a box on the bottom that says "List Of Pittsburgh Based Corporations." I know that there are many different types of these boxes for different categories and I'm aware of how to get one onto a specific page. However, is there a way to change the text inside this box? I'd like to add on to the number of companies listed (and I'm sure this info will be useful again some other time. Hopefully I can get some help. JoeCrabshack 04:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

These are called Misplaced Pages:Templates. Click on Template:Pittsburgh Corporations and then go to the edit mode and edit it. You will then see the changes on any article where the template is placed. -- Lost 04:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Case-sensitive title changes

Hello - I was wondering how to modify lowercase letters in a title. As a first-time wikipedia editor, I created a page called the "Dartmouth independent" which should have been named the "Dartmouth Independent." I read the guidelines for changing an article's title, but wasn't sure if they applied to changing titles with merely case-sensitive errors. Also, my account is not yet four days old so I couldn't experiment with the "move" editing function. If you could help me undo this embarrassing gaffe I'd be extremely grateful. Thanks very much for your help.

• You're right. Such changes are done with the move button, although it'd have been easier to do it correct straight away. Please use four tildes (~) to sign your posts on talk pages and help/reference desks. - Mgm| 04:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Image

Please suggest how to upload the image on wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitinberi (talk • contribs)

Since you already have an account, just look for the link called "upload file" on the side bar below the search box. Please make sure to put the appropriate copyright tag to it. Once that is done, just link it to the relevant article. See Misplaced Pages:Image tutorial for that -- Lost 07:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Revert cut and paste move with no updates - The Birmingham Civic Society

An editor has used double cut and paste to reverse a rename I made of The Birmingham Civic Society. This has left the edit history on the new redirect page. As there have currently been no further edits is there a way to revert the cut and paste, or even the whole rename? I believe the move was justified, but perhaps need a consensus. Meanwhile, the edit history could be easily(?) restored by an admin? Thanks. Oosoom  09:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:How to fix cut and paste moves and tag the article appropriately. -- Lost 10:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. Now fixed. Oosoom  14:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Adding latitude and longitude coordinates

I've seen several pages with coordinates tags, including one I added myself (Khan Market). But aside from just copying and pasting and updating, I haven't seen an official manual of style for coordinate tagging. I prefer decimal degrees (28.599 N) to dms (28°x‘y“). I assume we could set a personal preference the way you do with date format? Can someone direct me to a manual on geotagging wiki entries? Thanks! WarrenA 09:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is an entire wikiproject for this. You can check with them. -- Lost 10:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded Picture Question

I uploaded mkboard.png for use on Go_variants, but imagine my horror this morning when I found it had been deleted. Before uploading the picture I contacted it's creator to ask if it was ok to use it for this page, he agreed, and I selected a licence category to reflect this. I think it was licensed for use on wikipedia only. What did I do wrong?--ZincBelief 09:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It's the last bit: 'licensed for use on Misplaced Pages only'. All Misplaced Pages content has to be reusable elsewhere; images which are licensed for use on Misplaced Pages only are not allowed. Two of the most common licences that are allowed are the GNU Free Documentation Licence and the Creative Commons Attribution Sharealike licence. --ais523 09:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't expect that to happen. Looks like I'll have to back and ask him if it can be used under a different licencse scheme. Will it also be deleted if it is available on wikipedia for educational and non commercial use only?--ZincBelief 10:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it will still be deleted. Here's a nice essay on why such images are not allowed -- Lost 10:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Explain the types of compulsory statutory insurance in S.A.

Explain the Road Accident Fund (RAF).

Please ask at the reference desk (this page is for help editing Misplaced Pages). Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 10:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• We're not robots. When asking a question, the word 'please' goes a long way. - Mgm| 11:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Non-mainstream science template?

Is there a template along the lines of "This section describes a theory which is not accepted by the mainstream scientific community... etc."?

I found {{disputed-section}}: (templte removed)

But isn't really explicitly scientific. So, is there such a template? It'd be very useful as a warning on some controversial pseudoscience articles. ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 11:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You could use {{OriginalResearch}}. And here's a whole list to choose from: Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Disputes -- Lost 11:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Changing user name parameters

If the reason for not using Email addresses as usernames is to foil spammers, does it make sense to compile an ongoing list, the list I used asking that my username be changed to my new username, which actually provides spammers a readily available list of Email addresses?

You aren't the first person to notice this irony. You may want to join the debate at Template_talk:Welcome_Email#Not_helpful. --ais523 14:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The Interpretation of Dreams

Could someone please check and fix this bizarre situation? When I go to The Interpretation of Dreams, I get the "Misplaced Pages does not have an article with this exact name, etc." formal message. But the article is "still there": it exists as "current version" in the article's history and it also appears back in the "edit" mode. Apparently nobody deleted it... May be a technical bug? Typewritten 14:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears for me. Just purge it (or make a null edit to the current version) and it will look ok for you. -- Lost 14:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It worked (strange). Thanks. -- Typewritten 14:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Untitled question from User:Ina-abang

how to disable the history of the pages that i rcently visited?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Misplaced Pages doesn't log people who view pages, it only logs edits (and your first edit appears to be here, to the Help desk). --ais523 16:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess the quesion is about clearing the history of the browser, making it a perfect fit for Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Computing. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Gender question

who determines the gender of a child?

See Sex-determination system or else ask at the reference desk. This help desk is for queries related to wikipedia only -- Lost 17:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I hesitate to remove one particular act of vandalism

There is an article in English Misplaced Pages that was vandalised on May 1st 2006 by anon. user inserting the word 'penis' in another language in the middle of a rather central statement so that 'penis' looks like philosophical terminology. The topic of the article is connected to philosophy. Since then the article has been edited many times, but the word penis is still there.

I am amazed nobody has corrected it for so long. It shows just how unreliable Misplaced Pages still is.

I wonder whether I should remove this particular act of vandalism or not (usually I remove vandalism whenever I see it). Maybe this should be kept as a useful experiment in assesing, let us say, the level of Misplaced Pages's reliability and self-correcting span. 212.199.22.208 (talk · contribs) 18:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see Reliability of Misplaced Pages to get a perspective -- Lost 18:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Let me get this straight - you know there is vandalism in an article but you want to leave it there to see how long it will take someone else to remove it? That isn't an experiment. It is laziness. It would have taken you half as long to remove it than it would to complain about it in the help desk. --Kainaw 18:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism should of course be removed, but when he dropped by my user talk page, I counseled our anon to raise the issue on the talk page of the article in question. It seem strange, incidently, that our anon didn't mention which article, what language, and what word he was talking about. Since one can never be too paranoid on the Net, I wonder whether our "complaintant" might in fact be the vandal himself, playing "catch me if you can". But assuming that he is acting in good faith, my point is that it seems possible that the putative technical word he is objecting to really is used in the literature on the subject of the article, so if he is not sure, he should ask. If he is sure, he should just remove the vandalism.---CH 20:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

what was the code used for cleaning an article

for articles that need to be brought up to wikipedia's standards and so forth, what was the code required to create that banner?

You might be looking for one of the templates listed at Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Maintenance. To experiment, use the sandbox.---CH 19:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes & the case of the missing picture

It would seem that some kind sould has displaced the Image:Pennsylvania Lingayen.jpg photo, it now has only a red link in all articles I can think of to look for it. What happened to the photogrpah? Is there any way to get it back? 129.108.25.67 20:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks like that file was deleted on Commons because it was the duplicate of this image. Image:USS Pennsylvania moving into Lingayen Gulf.jpg. Was it this image? Garion96 (talk) 21:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is the one. Thank God it is still here, it is one of my favorites. Is there any way to place it back in the articles? 129.108.25.67 22:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I put it back in the articles where there was a red link to it. Often red links in articles are removed, those articles of course I can't find. Garion96 (talk) 22:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Christina Norman

I was reading the writing of MTV and the president thereof, yet am wondering because of all the schooling I have had unwantingly, does her name mean CHRIST IN A..., NO R MAN; I mean that is kinda hypocritical. Anyway, I also need to know if she is relative to an APPLE or a GATE. It is confusing to me sometimes what a name means except for the fact it is better than yelling hey you.

Does any of this make sense?, cause all I asked for was what was due. I did not realize at the time how much it was, but I do need more than my food stamp card to travel the world.

P.S. Does she know all of the Postal People in Tallahassee, Fl. too?

Uh, did you by chance run what you were going to say through Babel Fish? Christina is a popular girls name in the U.S. She is not related to Christina Applegate. They're just the same first name. Also, Christ in a Norman..sounds like an evangelical Snakes on a Plane? :) Wooty 21:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

ISBN Library Search

The other day I had something up which allowed you to search for books in libraries all over the world, by their ISBN, on Misplaced Pages. Can anyone tell me where I might find it? I've been looking for ages. Cheers!

Special:Booksources is the page you're looking for; any ISBN numbers on Misplaced Pages automatically link to that page. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I see, thank you! I wasn't even close to finding it...

Useer Name

User Names

I thought the idea was to comme up with a user name no one had taken? Can you help me find an acceptable username? Charles Neale

Nobody is using CharlesNeale -GrahameKing 22:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Or Charles Neale either, if you prefer spacing. --Sam Blanning 22:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

yes it's been proven in scientific tests that usernames with charles in then are vastly superior to all other editors - so I'd suggest grabbing such a highly regarded username while you still can. --Charlesknight 10:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Page too large

Following this discussion, could someone please break down the Misplaced Pages:Dead external links/301 page into smaller pages of more manageable size? It is pretty useless as it stands; my computer crashes when I try to edit it. 0plusminus0 22:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This has been corrected by User:Open2universe -- Lost 04:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

East Meadow, New York

Dear Sir/ Madam

This is the only area that I found to send a question via email My name is Raymond Hoeffner and I am from East Meadow , New York I looked up East Meadow on your search and found it. I was just curious to ask is there a way of finding out who wrote the article? There were a few mistakes in reference to what was written about my family, I know I can edit it and I probably will to have correct information. But I was just curious to know who wrote the article. How can I find out?

Regards

Raymond Hoeffner

Raymond - you can click on the 'history tab' and scroll back through the changes made to the article - or you can click here to see the same list. It would appear the changes to the history section that you are speaking of were made in mid-February of this year by a few different users. You can click on the user's name to leave him a message on his talk page if you wish to ask him/her questions. As you already noted, feel free to correct the information - it would appear to be 'unsourced' (added without citations). Kuru 00:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hit counters? etc Printing, Categorizing.

I've just posted my first article (Jimmy Velvet). Are there counters to show how many people see an article? I couldn't understand how to place the article in a category (like early rock and roll singers). I've been a computer user for only a year. I also was unable to print the article. The print program came up but just sat there frozen.

 George Slivinsky 03:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hit counters: no (see Misplaced Pages:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Misplaced Pages page?).

Categories: add something like ] at the bottom of the article (for an example, see Buddy Holly).

Printing problem: hmmm. Shouldn't be an issue. Can you print other Misplaced Pages pages (or anything at all)? -- Rick Block (talk) 03:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess I've done the categorizing correctly now. After restarting my computer the print worked. I've had that problem before, at allmusic.com. It's as if the webpage has an infinite amount of data and the print keeps on loading it. Don't know. Have a good day folks. George Slivinsky 04:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Twin Oaks wikipage

I updated the Twin Oaks wiki today, but for some reason only three of the pictures on the page are loading. When I click on the links, it does not say that the pictures have been deleted or anything. What gives?

Actually the images have been deleted. See the deletion log for one of them . It explains the reason as well -- Lost 05:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand, because I am using the images with the copyright holder's permission - my sister is a member of Twin Oaks Community, and Twin Oaks is a 501(d) tax extempt corporation and each member is an equal shareholder, she personally owns any Twin Oaks copyrights.

What's the solution, then? If I can't use pictures that I was given permission to use, then I guess I'll have to dig up ones of my own. - Rashaun 09:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

You used the copyright tag that said that the images are for non commercial use only. Such images are not allowed in Misplaced Pages. Any image needs to be submitted under a free license such as GFDL. I'd suggest to go through Misplaced Pages:Images before you upload more images. -- Lost 14:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

ed2k links

Adding download links in software articles is OK in most cases. But what if only ed2k is available for the software in question? This is in relation to Share (P2P) which officially has no download URL, but has ed2k provided. Shinhan 06:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

History of user - help

Can a history of a user be deleted. Does it get deleted over time.

I would like to delete some comments etc...etc... but the comments stay on history page. Even when I save and go back to correct something (spelling or gramma)...the old post still is on history.

How do we get rid of it all.

Thanks

Jagoda 1 06:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

You can't - part of the license Misplaced Pages operates under says that all versions of a page must be kept. — QuantumEleven 06:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Blubster

When I typed in Blubster in the search why did it redirect to Pilot, Pilot has nothing to do with Blubster. Can you please make a page about the sharing application "Blubster". Thankyou.

It redirects to Piolet, not pilot. If you think you can add meaningful content to Blubster, please click here and type away. Just keep the Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines in mind -- Lost 07:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I think Misplaced Pages should change its rule about External Links; putting external links at the end of an article does a disservice to the reader. Either the author includes a "See External Link below." or the reader has no idea that an external link exists. And "See External Link below" is obviously not a reader service - if they have to read that, they might as well have the link there! Even if the reader suspects there might be an external link and looks, then the reader's question is "Which external link is related to that text that I've now scrolled off the screen to get to the External Links section". Wikipedias "External Links" section might have been appropriate several years ago, before everything (well, almost everything) became available on the internet, but no more.

Questions are:

1) Why are external links placed at the end, out of context?

2) What would be lost, what would be gained, if external links were placed in context?

Look for example, at my changes to the 'IBM 650' article (if an editor gets there first and removes them, you'll have to find my last version in 'History'). The article used to simply list components, such as "IBM 533"; now most components are external links to an IBM Archive photograph & description. Isn't that the most useful for readers? Why should they have to scroll down to find another reference to what is already there? Or why should there be just one external link to the IBM Archive, forcing users to search for the specific machine (it's not a straightforward search), when the explict external links are readily done? In this real example, not every machine has an Archive entry; the in-context external links identify those machines with Archive entries; the user does not waste time searching the Archive for machines that are not there (as would happen if there was only one external link).

Question 3, then is

3) How do I get the Misplaced Pages rule on External Links changed (and in a reasonably short time)?

thanks 69.106.254.246 08:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually the guidelines pretty much reflect what you have mentioned. External links are discouraged unless very relevant and specific citations are highly encouraged. Infact any non obvious statement must be cited using a reliable source. Verifiability is a core policy. See some of our featured articles as an example. And also go through WP:CITE -- Lost 08:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure the guidelines are working. Look at this example. The IBM 1401 article had a sentence about a restoration project. I add a sentence "See external-ref". Not a good sentence, but in context it met the users needs; if the lead sentence got their attention, they could click the external reference. An editor, following the guideline, moved the external-ref to the external-ref section. So now the user doesn't know there is an external-ref and might, or might not, happen upon it. Edits are

 05:22 20 Sept -- added ref
 07:02 21 Sept -- editor moved ref 

Think of it this way -- it makes no more sense to separate external refs that it would to separate references in paperbacks from references in hardbacks.

And I still have my 3 questions above - being with why should external refs be placed out of context?

thanks, 69.106.254.246 08:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

If you make use of the citation templates described in WP:CITE, the external links will not appear out of context. Thats why I asked you to see some featured articles which make use of the citation techniques -- Lost 09:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• You seem to mix up references and external links. References are to back up a specific fact. External links are a type of further reading material. That last one should really be at the end of an article. - Mgm| 09:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: "references are to back up a specific fact". I'll disagree with that -- is 1950 a good enough example? Do all the date references mean that the existence of those years is a fact that needs backing up? It's likely the case that Wiki references are used for both backup and further reading.

Re: references and external links. Lets turn it inside out. There are references (back up specific fact) and there is further reading material. You seem to be saying that external links can be used for one (futher reading material) but not the other (references). Why is that?

Re: Citation templates, ... The following markup (with "?" replacing both kinds of brackets) produces equivalent results. The 1st being an external reference, the second being a cite.

*Console Unit (?http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/650/650_ph01.html IBM 650?)
*??cite web
 | title = Console Unit IBM 650
 | url = http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/650/650_ph01.html
 ??

But MacGyver is correct, this is really a link to further reading material, not a citation. Which is what a Misplaced Pages reference is. I'm learning(?), lets try a better question:

Why are Wiki links to futher reading material backing up a specfic fact allowed in context while external links to further reading material backing up a specific fact are required to be out of context. At first glance this seems a rule to bias/favor/promote Misplaced Pages over providing the best service to the reader. (in the example above, the fact being backed up is that a component of the computer was the Console Unit - one component in a list of components).

thanks again for your time with this- I'm sure there are other things you'd rather be doing. 69.106.254.246 17:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Bill Conti

There seems to be an article called Bill Conti but it does not appear when requested. However if you look at the history page and click on the latest version, you can see it. How do you get it back from limbo? JMcC 09:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Just purge it. It will be ok -- Lost 09:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

How to post an article

Hi, How do I post an article using Misplaced Pages. Also how do i edit an article..Am new to Misplaced Pages Your Help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Yasin.

See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article. -- Lost 09:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• WP:AFC has a great new wizard interface with a lot of information. To create new articles, you either need to use AFC, or create an account. If you already did, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) so we know who's asking questions. - Mgm| 10:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Search box

after i search for anything,why does it appear again in the search box?can i remove it?202.63.116.149 10:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)aaa

• That is a feature of your browser, similar to the one that keeps old Google searches in its memory. Try WP:VFAQ. I think that includes the answer to your question. - Mgm| 12:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

post ume screening exercise

how do get eportal

• I'm sorry, but I suspect English is not your first language. I don't understand what you are asking, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with Misplaced Pages itself. Try the reference desk. If it is about Misplaced Pages, perhaps you're looking for Portal:Browse. - Mgm| 12:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Question about picture license

I have a picture that I put up on the Misplaced Pages entry about Seth Swirsky that was deleted by Geni. I would like to put it back up, but want to make sure that I have the correct license on it (I'm assuming that's why it was removed before). I had it marked as an affiliated shareworks 2.5 license. The picture is a picture that Seth, personally, took of his Gold Record that he got for a song that he wrote that went to number one. Thank you. Jheditorials 13:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC) jheditorials

Who owns the copyright to the picture? If Seth took the picture then I'd assume he has the copyright. If so, he needs to release it here under a free license like GFDL or creative commons -- Lost 13:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I would assume since Seth took the picture that he has the copyright. Thanks! I'll try that. Jheditorials 13:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC) jheditorials

Strange access problem with one article

I found a problem accessing the Relational aggression article. I can't view this one particular article, unless I'm logged in. Very strange. --Eric R. Meyers (Ermeyers) (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is happening quite frequenly lately. Please purge the page and it will be ok -- Lost 14:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Missing photographs

Sir I had edited a page and put up some photographs that were taken by me and I had put them up for anyone to use them.

The photographs were there for some days but then after a few more days I find them missing from the page but the article is there.

I wanted to know why did this happen, did I make some mistake in puting them up.

For reference here is the URL where the photo is missing

http://en.wikipedia.org/Yamuna_Bank_Road

TARUN KUSHWAHA 14:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

From the edit summary in the article history, it looks like the image was deleted, and someone then removed the link from the article. I couldn't find a deletion lgo entry for the file, though, so that's about the best I can offer. It's possible there was a problem with the image itself, or with the licensing when it was uploaded. Please read the image use policy for information on that. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• That link is here. Its reason for deletion was CSD I4 ("lack of licensing"). You should say where an image came from and apply a suitable copyright tag. - Mgm| 15:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Links in lead and main article

I'm just wondering whether a concept wikilinked in an article's introduction should be linked again when it first occurs in the main article? It seems logical that it should, as there may be quite a gap between the two and the user's interest in the link may be piqued by the more in depth coverage. Don't know if there's any general policy on this. Cheers — SteveRwanda 15:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, when there's such a gap like you mentioned, link it again. If it's say less than a screen away from each other, don't link. - Mgm| 15:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

headings and sub-headings

What is the proper use of headings and sub-headings? If there is no heading, are all headings "headings" or "sub-headings"?

Outlook 18:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Outlook

There are many advantages to having headings or sections. One big advantage is that many people can edit different sections in one go without causing edit conflicts. For more details please see Help:Section -- Lost 18:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

my deported husban

my husban was deported 8 years ago to mexico and 3 years ago he reentered the usa with out concent and was cought by the ins and he only wonted to see his 5 children after so many years but they dont care they stilll took him and charged him with unlawfull entery to the usa and he did 2 years in jail and then was deported again our children are growing up with out a dad and i dont know what to do so he can come back to the usa.]]]18:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)66.255.198.220

Kindly contact the legal authorities. This is an encyclopedia and we do not offer legal opinion -- Lost 18:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Mileage

How far is Columbus, Georgia from Nashville, Tennessee?

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 18:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

adding references at the end of the article

how do i add a reference, ie footnote, at the end of an article?

There are three ways to do it on wikipedia. They are all explained at WP:CITE -- Lost 18:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Template creation

Simply, how do I create a template for Misplaced Pages? Thank you. Wiki-newbie 18:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see Help:Template -- Lost 18:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Very confused about adding a photo

I recently looked at the page about the Westbury White Horse, and was slightly disappointed to see that there was no picture. As I have a photograph that I took of it, I wanted to add it into the article. I wasn't sure how to do so, so I looked at the FAQs. I am still none the wiser about how to add my photo, and am very confused indeed about all the copyright details. As it is a photograph that I took myself, are there any copyright problems I will need to sort before I add it? - Megan

You will need to do it in three steps

• Create an acccount
• Look for Upload file in the side bar below the search box. when you click that, there are instructions that you will need to follow to upload the file. You can release the image under GFDL since you are the copyright owner.
• Link it to the article in question. See Misplaced Pages:Image tutorial for that -- Lost 19:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

change user name

How do I change my user name? Kim

Please see Misplaced Pages:Changing username -- Lost 19:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

copyright

I believe most of the text on "active learning" page is plagiarized from Charles C. Bonwell and James A. Eison's "Active Learning: Creating Excitement in the Classroom" at http://www.ntlf.com/html/lib/bib/91-9dig.htm.

Your explanation of what to do if copyright infringement is suspected is far too complicated.

• Someone claimed that "The original version of this article is from this public domain site." while in fact there's copyright notices all over the site with no mention of the public domain at all. I think this needs to be deleted unless someone can come up with some permission notice or something. - Mgm| 20:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I just stubbed it, removing all of the sections that appeared to be taken from the original article (which I concur has copyright notices and "all rights reserved" notices all over the place). I'll leave it for rebuilding from there. It's been a copyvio for over two years... shocking. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Brazilian boleros

i was told that there is a dog that hunts pumas in the jungle of brazil.i can't fina any information or pictures on the animal. i was wonderin if you knew what i was talking about or the real name of the animal?72.128.45.208 22:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Chris Hernandez

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

user page

hi, i just want to know how to get on other peoples talkpages so that i can make comments on their page?

Just click on their username; once your reach their userpage, look for the talk page tab on top. Otherwise Misplaced Pages:Popups are a good tool to give you lots of options when you mouse over a username or article name. -- Lost 02:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Blocking IP blocks without accounts

The page Misplaced Pages:Vandalism goes into detail about warning vandals, but I don't see how that's useful with an unregistered user who changes IP address, almost always in the same IP block. To be specific, we're getting vandalisms from 58.160.185.* at the Alexander Downer page. (And also one vandalism from 203.5.217.3 which is probably his workplace). How do I proceed to request the appropriate blocking? Rocksong 00:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

It is possible to do a "range block". If a series of IPs is indulging in similar vandalism the entire series can be blocked. Just report them at WP:AIV after reaching warning them sufficiently -- Lost 02:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

How do you warn an IP address that keeps changing? There are 4 different IP addresses. Should I warn all them all? Rocksong 02:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Just place a notice that this is probably the same IP as xxxx and it has engaged in similar vandalism (give a link to the vandalism). Once they have done it many times, report them to AIV -- Lost 02:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be pedantic, but "just place a notice" where? I think I'll give the 4 IP's in question a "final warning", then request a range block at WP:AIV if any of them persists. Rocksong 03:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I meant to place a notice on each of the IP's talk pages. -- Lost 03:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Irac

How CanI Get Iformation On The Ziggartgat In Irac olan r

Please try asking the reference desk in a clearer manner. This help desk is for answering queries about wikipediia only. -- Lost 02:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You mean "Information on the Ziggurat in Iraq"? Try Ziggurat. Wooty 02:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Problem with seeing new content

I'm working on the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Seth_Swirsky. When I look at it using Firefox, I see the updates. When I look at it using IE or Safari, I don't see the updates (even if I clear the cache and restart the browser). When I look at the "edit this page" version of the page, it shows all the correct updated material. Any idea how to fix the problem of people not being able to see the new updated version? (To check to see if you are seeing the updated version, it has three external links. The old version only has two.)

Thanks, Jheditorials 03:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC) jheditorials

Please purge the page. The problem should go away -- Lost 04:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

an old harley davidson motorcycle frame

hello , my name is joe and ive got an old harley frame that was given to my by a friend years ago , well i havent had much luck finding out what type make or model this frame is , id realy like to find out what it is so i can built it , its got alot of sentimental value to me . i have managed to find the identifaction numbers on the front and rear motor mounts . please contact me if you think you can help me with this, thank you.

                                                         sincerly, joe

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps.--24.20.69.240 03:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

rational number is group under addition

the set of rational numbers (gcd(a,b)=1) whose denominator are odd is group under addition?(include zero). Also, the set of rational number with denominators equal to 1, 2, 3 is group under addition?

Have you tried the Mathematics section of Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Misplaced Pages. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. -- Lost 05:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

How do you deal with problem users

I found a user that created an account just to vandalize My User Page with a personal attack. How can they be taken care of?

Thanks! Gbcue 05:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked that user as vandalism only account and deleted your userpage per your request. If in the future sockpuppets are created to vandalize your userpage you can request it to be protected at WP:RFPP. --WinHunter 06:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

size of the text

hi, how do i change the size of the text on wikipedia, the text is too small to read comfortably.

thanks

This will be a setting on your browser. On Internet Explorer, go via the View|Text Size menus, and pick a larger text size. (No doubt other users will tell you how to do it on other browsers; if you tell us which browser you use, it will increase your chance of getting a relevant answer.) --ais523 08:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Untitled question from User:Lcharlebois

I want to use an image (Mithras tauroctone with stars beneath cape) for cover art but need a 300dpi image. The one I copied from your site I found by searching google mithraeum marino italy is only 72dpi. Can you send me a 300 dpi imagw?

(email removed to prevent spam)

The image appears to originally have been uploaded to the English Misplaced Pages (although it is in the process of being moved to the Wikimedia Commons); if you view its image description page, you can see that it is under a public domain licence (so you can reuse it without legal problems), and was uploaded originally by User:Wetman. Misplaced Pages itself doesn't have a higher-resolution version of this image; if you wish to contact User:Wetman to ask them if they have a higher-resolution version, visit User talk:Wetman and leave a message there. --ais523 10:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

plyers who are ready to play

dear sir, iam a player agent ihave been healping may teams.first of all iwas a coach in brazil and now iam player agent .i some times used the blacks because i can see some potentials in them but they dont have any one to sponser them. most of them are skillful and no how to handle ball.ihave been watching your match and i think i can help the team to acheive it goal.i made it possible for some players to make it througth in to some europian clubs .if you are interested contact me on (email removed) no payment untill the players work with them for 6month and are accepted.

I think you have the wrong site altogether. This is an encyclopedia and we dont play any matches here even though we may write about them -- Lost 14:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Numbers in image url

What is the purpose of the numbers /#/##/ in the url of images, for example: /4/f5/ or /3/14/ ? Shinobu 14:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's to spread the load amongst the various image servers. I know from experience that no matter which numbers you enter there, the image works. You may get a more detailed or more correct response at WP:VPT. --ais523 14:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Copied the question there. Shinobu 18:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Untitled question from Legion of angels

The article about Jeffery Lundgren and the Kirtland murders doesn't have a picture of him. Here is a picture of him up to date from the Ohio DRC site. He's due for execution on Oct. 30th 2006. Ironic for a 'self known prophet'. http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx

(email removed to prevent spam)

Unfortunately, that picture has no copyright information, and therefore would not be licensed for use on Misplaced Pages. If you can find the copyright information for the picture, post back here and we can check whether it's appropriate for use (a public domain licence is the only licence that we would accept that it's likely to be licensed under). --ais523 14:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

'infobox' thingy

How does one do the 'infobox' thingy at the bottom of some pages like the one at Naruto? I want to, uh, expand the one at The Adventures of Tintin but I have no idea how to. I've tried searching the Help pages but have no idea which category it falls under. -Jellyfisho 15:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

They are basically templates that are linked to the articles. For the Tintin template, go to Template:Tintin books and edit it. -- Lost 15:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict; this means that I wrote my reply before seeing Lost's) First, that's a navigation box, not an infobox. The boxes are templates, which appear on more than one page and so are edited separately from the pages. If you go onto the edit screen and scroll down right to the bottom (past the box of special characters), you will see a list of templates used on the page; click on the one you think is the navbox ({{Tintin}} is the one used at the bottom of The Adventures of Tintin (template names are normally written {{like this}} because that's the way you place them in articles)). The template can be edited just like any other page. Note that template wikimarkup tends to be complicated; one good way to make a large navbox is to copy one you like and change the targets of the links. --ais523 15:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks alot! -Jellyfisho 15:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverting question (edit Summary)

In the Help:Reverting section the following is stated:

• When typing the edit summary, useful information is to Wikilink the contributions of the user you are reverting.

In the edit summary text - Reverted edits by 00.00.00.00 (talk) to last version by Username

The results in the history - Reverted edits by 00.00.00.00 (talk) to last version by Username

Is there an easy way to put the Special:contributions link in the Edit Summary, or is it best done manually?

I tried to copy/paste one time, and it ended up attributing the edit to the IP address, rather than me...

I use Mac OSX if that makes any difference...

VikÞor ] 16:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I recommend Misplaced Pages:Popups. Though you could also use Misplaced Pages:Vandalproof. Both these tools enable an automatic edit summary and much more -- Lost 18:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Downloading Misplaced Pages

Is it possible to download all of the current Misplaced Pages for offline viewing?

You can download database dumps of all Wikimedia projects (including Misplaced Pages) at http://download.wikimedia.org/. See meta:Data dumps for documentation on the provided data formats. RexNL 17:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict; this means I wrote this reply without seeing RexNL's) Sort of, but it's a bit complicated, partly because Misplaced Pages is so large, partly because of the copyright situation, and partly because of the way it's stored. Misplaced Pages:Database dump contains the information you need about this (the database dumps aren't quite 'current', they're a few weeks old; the latest is http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 (dated August 17 as of today), but it's 1.5GB in size even when compressed, because Misplaced Pages contains 6,933,380 articles). Just downloading the dumps isn't enough, though; you need the right software to be able to read them (they're in bzip2-compressed XML). --ais523 17:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Question

Could someone please tell me what a "User Page" is? Thank you 65.137.124.106 18:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please go through Misplaced Pages:User page. -- Lost 18:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. However, I'm still confused because the 'user page" link you gave is about what I would call a "personal page". But there is another type of "user page" in Misplaced Pages, for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Aiden/Jesus

which is an article about Jesus, and as far as I can tell contains no personal information about its author. In fact there are several such articles in the category "Jesus". They are called "user pages" but are actually articles about Jesus with no information about who wrote them. This is why I asked the question in the first place, because I didn't understand how these pages originated.

Thank you

That's called a user subpage. Information about them is available in the above linked page. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 19:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That is called a user subpage. Normally editors use user subpages for various purposes. They may want to create an article in their user subpage and then once it is ready move it to main space. Or they may like to write essays on the user subpage. Unless they use their subpage for something that is contrary to wikipedia policies, its ok to use the user subpage as an extension of the user page. In this the author seems to be developing the article which is ok or he may want to keep this for records in his subpage which is also ok -- Lost 19:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for the replies. But I'm still puzzled. Why are these "user subpage" articles about Jesus part of the main Misplaced Pages category about Jesus? Are they meant ot be alternatives to the main article? Also, If the author "is developing the article" or "may want to keep this for records in his subpage" again why is it in a "main space" Misplaced Pages category? I still don't understand. Thank you 65.137.124.106 19:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The user forgot to <nowiki> the category. WilyD 20:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Since there are nine of these extra "user subpage" articles in the Misplaced Pages category on Jesus, does this mean that all nine of these users forgot to "nowiki"? Thank you

• Yes, article categories shouldn't go in user subpages so people should use <nowiki> to make sure the category coding doesn't work. Unfortunately it does happen, it's an easy mistake to make. - Mgm| 20:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Masukippa

I have no idea how I can improve this article without removing most of it. For some reason, people insist on adding speculation, saying that it might evolve from Weepinbell. I would say this is patently untrue (the only connecting factor I can see being that they are both carnivorous plants), and so I keep removing it; however some would say this is not consistent with the fact I allow the speculation on biting moves to remain, and they'd be right. The speculation on biting moves strikes me as more useful in the article, and removing all the speculation on the thing would leave me with an almost-empty page. What should I do? (PS, I'm not putting this on the talk page as almost nobody looks at talk pages.) Vitriol 20:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Speculation (or original research) is not allowed on wikipedia. Statements, specially dubious ones, must be cited using reliable sources. In case its a content dispute, there are many ways of reslving disputes. Just follow them in the order mentioned on the link -- Lost 20:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The mess on CSS (disambig)

Long story short, some guy edited the CSS disambig page into a real article and then, another editor moved the page to the specific article (Cyclic Steam Simulation), and now we're stuck with the history of old "CSS" disambig on the other article. For details, see User talk:Seglea#Your edits to CSS (disambig)). What should be done about this? -- intgr 21:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Move it back, revert to the disambig version and tell the editor who made the original edit to make it at the correct location. - Mgm| 22:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Which I've done now. - Mgm| 22:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

RE:requesting ricky steamboat's e-mail address

to whom it may concern,may ihave ricky steamboat's e-mail adress?thanks clarence cheatom.

• Try the external links in the Ricky Steamboat article. We're an encyclopedia and email adresses are not the type of information we record. - Mgm| 22:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Stub Template Help

i'm not sure how to do it. ] 22:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• You can do a lot with stub templates. What do you want to do? Anyway, try taking a look at WP:STUB and follow a few links.- Mgm| 23:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Finding an article on a recent disaster

Any tips on how to find an article on a recent train crash in Germany? The news item is here. But the name of the Misplaced Pages article (if it exists) is not obvious. I am thinking of loking on Wikinews to see if they have a link back to here, and I have tried searching, but can't remember when the various search indices (Misplaced Pages, Google, etc) get updated. Can anyone help? Carcharoth 23:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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