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81.104.12.193
Both pages indef semi-protected. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning 81.104.12.193
All edits revolve around the removal of the Irish name for the Northern Irish settlements of Lisburn and Hillsborough. These names are included per agreement at Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Other_names with the names themselves verified to the official body for this topic at and supplementary at . These removals qualify as Troubles related as the Irish language is a strong bone of contention between loyalists and republicans, something recently in the press quite a lot.
The following three other IP's appear to be the same user but possibly from a different machine they don't have regular access too: Special:Contributions/86.153.244.5, Special:Contributions/82.7.125.216 and Special:Contributions/82.132.225.167, which combine for another 6 removals of the Irish name from the two articles. Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, 14 Mar 2017 by @Nfitz:.
@Daithidebarra: did their utmost to get the IP to engage in discussion as evident from their requests on the IP's talk page and the discussion initiated at Talk:Hillsborough,_County_Down#Irish_Language_name_for_area_known_in_English_as_.22Hillsborough.22_and_Request_for_Discussion, where the IP was explained in detail why their removal was wrong and why the Irish form of the places are included. Semi page protection would be pointless unless it was for a prolonged period of time as the editor is willing wait weeks or months before returning to redo their removal of the information. The same for an initial block as the editor may not return for a while in which time the block will have elapsed before it could even attempt to encourage them to rethink their behaviour. Also considering the IP has been editing since their appearance with a POV slant, and that over the past few months their edits only appear to be do with the unreasonable removal of the Irish names for Lisburn and Hillsborough and they are completely unwilling to partake in discussion over it I would say they are not contributing to Misplaced Pages in a meaningful way and a long-term block of the IP(s) should be considered.
User_talk:81.104.12.193#Arbitration_Committee_referral
Discussion concerning 81.104.12.193Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by 81.104.12.193Statement by Mabuska@Black Kite:, what is PC1? I'm happy with whatever works best to stop the disruptive edits. Mabuska 14:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning 81.104.12.193
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Ihardlythinkso
User:Ihardlythinkso is indefinitely topic-banned from post-1932 American Politics, broadly construed. This sanction may be brought here for reconsideration after six months. GoldenRing (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Ihardlythinkso
"Misplaced Pages editors are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other editors; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited."
The diffs speak for themselves. This editor has once again ramped up the personal attacks and general battleground behaviour. The latest attacks directed at me include a ridiculous accusation of stalking after I reverted his reversion of what I considered a good edit. Of course, before accusing me of stalking, he reverted again.- MrX 21:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning IhardlythinksoStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by IhardlythinksoWhat do you want a response on? The Donald Trump page is left open to disparaging remarks about the bio subject's character; that page needs to be patrolled better by admins. It's hypocrisy or bias to stomp down on "equal time" remarks about his rival. (And nothing I posted was any worse than available RSs about the character of that person, proof is Jeanine Pirro's opening statement here.) The WP is already liberally biased and I'm seldom on the Donald Trump article Talk especially because of it. Notice editors like Anythingyouwant are ostracized there and nitpicked unendingly until chased away. MrX is part of that effort. He takes a front seat to bias that article, including elimination of me through lecture, reversion, stalking, and insult. (The hypocrisy of recently informing me that as editor I'm "insignificant" and "Good day!" followed by opening this case.) There is no doubt in my mind WP is overrun w/ liberal bias, even the Remembrance Project is laced with coloring the founder with ties and motivations connected somehow to Hitler. As far as battlegrounding with any of this bias, that is absurd, there is too much of it and it has gone on for too long and is too pervasive. No one rational would spend their time in attempt to NPOV it back to respectability for an encyclopedia. And I have no interest at that article except to peek once in awhile, and if I make a post about something it is becauase the absurdity & bias is so rampant, a comment saying the King has No Clothes was called for. So pick on me, go ahead. I do not really give a damn. It isn't about me, it is about the blatant bias that is and has been already there. Be proud. I am not. And would never recommend any friends of family to read WP political articles. I've already seen enough and discussed enough w/ people offline about this to know everything I've said is true. So I don't give a damn about your power to ban me from that article or even political articles. The editor with agenda are those that bias it. Look at my edit history to see if I have improved political articles and if so how. I do not add bias but I might revert it. At the Pruitt lede I reverted a new claim that Pruitt "intends to dismantle the EPA", even though it was not a summary of anything near that in the article, and the refs posted to support the contention lead with an opinion piece. The statement is equivalent to putting mind-reading in Misplaced Pages's voice, supported by op-ed. Blatant bias. When I specified that I reverted on those bases, MrX reverted me with only "it was a good edit". Wow. Do not blame me for the absurd bias of articles and the majority of liberal NPOV warriors out to denegrate Trump and anything associated with him. I know the hatred is there in MSM, and Misplaced Pages is a sort of MSM, also dominated by liberal POV. Now one of those warriors is out for blood. And I don't give a care if you give it too him, because as mentioned the status of things is already too-far gone, and I've never ever been a part of any generealized effort to reverse it, I have more realistic things to do w/ my time. But obviously this is very important to MrX and others who support the liberal bias, they outnumber any of the opposers like Anythingyouwant. (Who along with me was accused of "disruption" and "this must be stopped" simply from taking the position in discussion that if it is mentioned Trump did not win a majority of the popular vote, that his implied or stated main opponent didn't either. Somehow, the logic of that is impossible to see, or takes excruciating effort to see, as per comments at that Talk. Give me a break.) BTW, what was it I was supposed to respond to specifically? Another thing, the previous ban of me on the Donald Trump article was bogus and unfair (par for the course, good job Bish, I went to your Talk to complain about something else besides the ban you supported, and another user follows me to your Talk to harass me, a user whose biggest objection is that I added a blockquote to a quote greater than 40 words per MoS, and that I changed a piped link from an article specifically about history of women's rights in U.S., to an article about feminism in the U.S., which was more what the relevant article topic was about, and somehow I get blocked at her Talk when objecting to the user harassing me there). The article stated that Trump in the Hollywood tape referred to his assults against women, synonymous to admission of having committed crimes against them, when he never made any such admission, so why is WP stating so if MSM biased RSs exist that like/want to say so? (The answer is, because the editors dominating the article are just as biased and smear-enthusiastic as the MSM.) I did the right thing to protect a living BLP subject from such trashy statements, and what did I get? Banned. Good one. (And now use that ban as further evidence that I need another ban? Oh good one. That's so impressive! Not.) --IHTS (talk) 00:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by (username)Result concerning Ihardlythinkso
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SPECIFICO
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- JFG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:13, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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- SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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WP:ARBAPDS / 1RR violation
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 01:42, 10 May 2017 first revert (of this edit)
- 19:41, 10 May 2017 second revert (of this edit)
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Warned in May 2016 by Coffee, December 2016 by Sagecandor and January 2017 by Octoberwoodland. Participated in numerous WP:AE threads. Routinely threatens other editors of sanctions (which recently resulted in a custom sanction to prevent disruption).
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- In her reply below, SPECIFICO alleges that I also violated 1RR today, although none of the two cited edits are reverts. Making unfounded accusations is an unfortunate habit of this editor:
- User talk:JFG/Archive Drama#DS violation
- User talk:JFG/Archive Drama#1 RR violation at Russian
- User talk:JFG/Archive Drama#!RR Violation -- please self-undo
- User talk:JFG/Archive Drama#DS Violation at Russians
- User talk:Darouet#1 RR Violation at Russian Interference
- User talk:Thucydides411#!RR Violation at Russian Interference
- User talk:Thucydides411#Russia Talk Page Archive
- User talk:Thucydides411#DS Violation
- User talk:Guccisamsclub/Archive 1#Your recent edit at Russian Interference
- User talk:Guccisamsclub/Archive 2#Jeffrey Carr
- User talk:K.e.coffman/Archive/2017/April#1RR violation Russian interference
- I am asking admins to take into account this pattern of disruptive behaviour which contributes to a poor editing climate on articles which are contentious enough on their face. — JFG 00:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning SPECIFICO
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Statement by SPECIFICO
Entirely my error, however I believe that @MrX: subsequently made the same edit as my second one after JFG reinstated his preferred version thereby making it unnecessary for me to self-revert. I will be more careful to check the edit history hereafter. I noticed my error when I saw JFG's own second revert here, after this one here less than an hour earlier. However, unlike JFG I chose not to open a complaint since, like my mistake, his second revert is now moot. SPECIFICO talk 23:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Darouet
I routinely disagree with SPECIFICO on content issues at this article, and have been upset by their many warnings / threats of sanctions against editors, myself included, which are typically made without evidence. However, this is a single simple infraction. I don't think it's worthwhile to "catch" someone on a one-off like this: it will just worsen the editing atmosphere. I'd recommend that the issue be resolved on the talk page. -Darouet (talk) 23:36, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by MrX
I agree with Darouet. Best practice is to give an editor an opportunity to self-revert before reporting them, unless of course there is a pattern of edit warring.- MrX 23:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Result concerning SPECIFICO
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- The only thing that gives me pause here is the history; on the specifics of this incident, and given the statements above, I'm inclined to take no action on this. GoldenRing (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Agree w/ GoldenRing above, with the proviso that I don't like SPECIFICO going to JFG's page over and over with challenges about revert rules. If you think there's a violation, bring it here. Thankfully, that shouldn't continue. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
No More Mr Nice Guy
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Request concerning No More Mr Nice Guy
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Oncenawhile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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- No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA and Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3 :
Per notice at top of Talk:Balfour Declaration:
- "All articles related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, broadly construed, are under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period)"
- "Consensus required: Editors are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit."
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 02:39, 9 January 2017 reverts to version first added in this series of edits from September 2016 by User:Epson Salts. I objected to this edit immediately on talk , but there was no response, and I did not revert. After editing the article body on this topic over a period of weeks, I then conformed the lead text here
- 17:29, 25 March 2017 I did not report this, because I had only just become aware of the relatively new sanction myself (see ) This was discussed at , where the editor stated he would not discuss on talk unless others join. I did not revert (I have not touched the text since the mid-March diff linked above)
- 00:48, 11 May 2017 Re-reverted after the text was removed in this edit by another user. No discussion on talk.
- 01:08, 11 May 2017 Same material re-added 20 minutes later. Still no discussion on talk.
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Discussion concerning No More Mr Nice Guy
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Statement by No More Mr Nice Guy
The material has been there since at least September 2016. My edits are the "reverted edit" one needs consensus to "restore" in the requirement Oncenawhile quoed above. If anything, Rjensen is the one who violated the requirement when he redid his edit which I reverted (edit , revert , restore edit without consensus ), but the issue seems to have been resolved (except insofar as Oncenawhile thinks he can weaponise it, apparently). No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Kingsindian
I think this request is a bit premature. The article has been changed significantly since the lead was written: the lead would need to be rewritten anyway, and this point can then be addressed. It's not worth fighting over this matter now, per WP:DEADLINE. Since I think that the ARBPIA rule (currently at ARCA) is idiotic and counterproductive, I would definitely not want any "prosecution" under the rule. The dispute is still manageable. That said, I would prefer that NMMNG self-revert and (a) either propose an acceptable wording, or at least reply to my comments here or (b) simply wait till a new lead is written. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 10:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Shrike
The second edit by NNMG is exempt from revert count as it reverted the violation of consensus clause so 1RR and no violation of consensus clause.--Shrike (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Still I don't understand why only NNMG is reported other people broke the rule too--Shrike (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Zero0000
To editor Shrike: You are citing the rules incorrectly. The arbcom ruling allows reverts to enforce the General Prohibition, not reverts to enforce the consensus clause. Zero 13:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Result concerning No More Mr Nice Guy
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
Problematics
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- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Capitals00 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Problematics (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- WP:ARBIND : (page is under 1RR restriction)
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Continuously blanking the section and content about Pakistan despite consensus on talk page as well as the recent page move discussion, in which he opposed the present article name.
- 8 May - This is revert of
- 10 May - 11:57
- 11 May - 12:02
This is violation of WP:1RR, even if he is waiting at least 24 hours 1 minute to make another revert. He is only editor to revert to his preferred version.
What's more suspicious is, that he is an WP:SPA, who registered the account on Apr 21, 2017 to edit these articles, however he has are clear WP:CIR issues. It has been impossible to make him agree and other editors are in favor of the version he continues to revert. He has misrepresented the admin Amakuru's comments, despite he told him "for now it does appear to me that the consensus view is against you". But he is not getting it, no matter how much others tell him. Capitals00 (talk) 12:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Obviously I consider it as 1RR violation. Looks like Problematics is misrepresenting my edits more than that and he is forgetting that he violated WP:3RR on this article before it came under 1RR restriction. Capitals00 (talk) 14:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 3 May
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Discussion concerning Problematics
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Statement by Problematics
The above statements are misrepresentative of the actual events. Firstly, the article's scope is disputed, the Admin had confirmed that. It was in that background that I reverted this. And I was justified to do so by WP:NOCON. I explained myself on the talkpage before reverting. After that me and other users were having a discussion and this discussion is still ongoing. Not just me but User:Mar4d and User:Nadirali also lodged opinions on the talkpage in favour of retaining the article's old scope. ] 2. User:Capitals00 then proceeded to falsely claim consensus (which he did not have as I explained here) and revert me. Nevertheless I did not revert User:Capitals00 because of 1RR on the page and even he has accepted I did not violate 1RR (by reverting WP:NOCON within 24 hours)). I feel this claim was filed in bad faith. It should also be known that this user was engaged in an edit war on the page in question, violated 3RR and was accused by another user on the article's talkpage of POV-editing. Problematics (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Kautilya3
This is a content dispute, albeit a pretty complicated one. It doesn't belong here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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Result concerning Problematics
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