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Autogynephilia in Women.

Has anyone read Charles Moser's paper claiming that autogynephilia occurs in women? "To test the possibility that natal women also experience autogynephilia, an Autogynephilia Scale for Women (ASW) was created from items used to categorize MTFs as autogynephilic in other studies. A questionnaire that included the ASW was distributed to a sample of 51 professional women employed at an urban hospital; 29 completed questionnaires were returned for analysis. By the common definition of ever having erotic arousal to the thought or image of oneself as a woman, 93% of the respondents would be classified as autogynephilic. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591032

If this is true does this not completely discredit Blanchard and Bailey? 75.84.159.117 (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The unregistered user has also asked the same question at Talk:Feminine_essence_concept_of_transsexuality#Autogynephilia_in_Women.. Perhaps one location is sufficient. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps not. It concerns both articles and perhaps many more, but different aspects. Since you watch both so very closely you can oversee, making sure there is no duplication of discussion. Perhaps cross posting by link relevant to this books article. 75.84.159.117 (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The question was valid , if it is peer reviewed should it not be included in the controversy section on the book. The entire premise of this theory was that having erotic arousal to the thought or image of oneself as a woman was unique only to these MTF's. No study was ever done on women, men or FTM's to this point. 93% of the regular women being tested coming out autogynephilic is an amazing blow against the entire theory and needs to be included. This information is from 2011, why is it not included?76.93.64.21 (talk) 21:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I think the point stands as a counter point to the books conclusions. A new section should be created citing Moser's published article demonstrating the alleged" affliction occurs in women. Are there any disagreements with this ? 24.24.142.155 (talk) 11:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

MTF but no FTM

There is absolutely nothing about females to males like Chaz Bono. Bailey focused entirely on male to female transsexuals and gays so why use the term "transsexuals" when it really means exclusively male to female ? I'm amazed no one has mentioned it.

Since there is no response , does anyone have an objection to pointing out clearly that Bailey is only talking about the FTM only? And if so please clearly explain why. Consensus ? 76.93.23.246 (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I have no particular objection to saying that the parts of the book that deal with transsexuality are about people assigned a male gender at birth, but I thought that it was already pretty clear, from its use of words like "transwomen" (or even from the title). WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


"Bailey says that some of his critics were motivated by a desire to suppress discussion of the book's ideas about autogynephilia theory on transsexuals." How is that clear ? Baileys research was entirely about MTF. There is no research at all about females to male. No comparison of the claimed erotisized fetishistic nature he was examining. Saying "transwoman" once in a while doesn't really qualify as clarity. 76.93.23.246 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)



No further discussion ? 76.93.23.246 (talk) 01:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Conclusion without source

This is a bias and unsourced statement. "Two of the transsexual people in Bailey's book, two people who mistakenly thought . . . ", It creates conclusions without proof. It should read "Two transsexual women believed they were the basis for the book . . ." then cite your source claiming they weren't. The article is bias. 142.11.96.183 (talk) 13:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

There are four people there:
  • two who were actually in the book, and
  • two who were not in the book, but wrongly believed they were.
The paragraph is already amply cited to support this claim. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry but, that is not true. They were not "transsexual people", they were transsexual women. This book has absolutely no females to males within the book at all. It is specifically and only about males to females. There is no source at all. The reference (36) you claim as a source says nothing about "wrongly" or "mistakenly" or any other bias statement of the sort.
" Wilson, Robin. "Transsexual 'Subjects' Complain About Professor's Research Methods." The Chronicle of Higher Education 25 July 2003, Vol. 49, Issue 46. "The book contains numerous observations and reports of interviews with me", C. Anjelica Kieltyka, one of the transsexual women, wrote in a letter this month to C. Bradley Moore, Northwestern's vice president for research. She added: "I did not receive, nor was I asked to sign, an informed-consent document."
Can we have another editor, one less apparently bias and one sided examine this problem ? Your dismissive tone and obvious misinterpretation of sourcing isn't constructive. 172.248.218.48 (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Can we get another editor to make a call on this ? 172.248.218.48 (talk) 03:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't really care whether greater detail is provided, but I do object to your implicit claim that women are not people. I believe that all trans women are people. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I made was no such claim. This book does not deal with any group other than male to female transsexuals. To imply that it is somehow discussing the general transsexual population is false and misleading as it creates the illusion of fairness where there is none. 172.248.218.48 (talk) 19:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
You apparently didn't mean it that way, but when I see "They are not _____ people, they are _____ women" (or children, or Americans, or students, or whatever) I rather naturally assume that the author actually intends to say that women (or whatever subgroup the author is talking about) "are not people" rather than intending to say something like, "These people are specifically trans women, not every possible type of trans person". WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what the point is you are trying to make. It is an absurd assumption to believe it was discussing anything but the books having discussed MTF transsexuals only. 172.248.218.48 (talk) 10:07, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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The Man Who Would be Queen

The piece clearly violates the policy of a neutral point of view. It is strongly slanted in favor of Bailey and against his critics. The slant is obvious, which may make it less dangerous in encouraging the enemies of queers. But some readers are naive, and need the policy of neutrality to be enforced.

Deirdre McCloskey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.229.185.221 (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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