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Welcome!

Hello, Hit bull, win steak, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Okay, now that was weird. --Cyde Weys 21:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Personally, I thought it was very sweet of me. -Hit bull, win steak 13:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion For Article

You proposed deletion for the article 11978571669969891796072783721689098736458938142546425857555362864628009582789845319680000000000000000 (number), and I am not sure why.

In the article, it is mentioned why the number is notable (that it is the first factorial number above one google). Although the article is short, it still has content.

Please let me know your feelings on this subject. Thank you.

Wdemchick 14:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

withdrawing AfD nominations

I saw your comment on the Brenda Freese deletion discussion. I'd like to withdraw it, but I don't know how. Can you help me? --Kchase02 18:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

May I remove the AfD tag, or does an admin need to approve that?--Kchase02 18:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thingy stuff.

Really? Gosh, things have changed (I think). I'll remember next time. - Greatgavini 19:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

A fellow Jack Vance fan

Hi, still very much getting used to how this durn thing works. Thanks very much for your edit on Dar Sai. I must be taking this seriously, I even eBayed myself a fresh copy of The Killing Machine as mine succumbed to damp years ago. I've a question on the Dar Sai page if you'd like to check it out. Captain Pedant 15:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar notice

I've awarded you this Surreal barnstar for having a really cool username. Stifle (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll second this. I haven't laughed at a username in a while, so this is sweet. Keep up the good work! --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Srry

Srry 4 the stuff i said... i waz a little p.o. that day... it just wasn't a very good one... nothin' went my way... well, anyway, i'm srry, please accept my apology. Philster 21:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Philber 22 p.s. you've got an... unusual name... it's cool, just... yah, you know.

Newgrounds List Deleted

• Excellent work and arguments on the List of Newgrounds Groups AFD. I'm quite glad we got that perpetually cruft-riddled article off of Misplaced Pages. My compliments. Wickethewok 19:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's RfA

Thanks!

Hiya, I'm a wikipedia editing n00b, and I wanted to thank you for moving my page... I was figuring out how to do it myself, and then found that you already had. Thanks for the help :) Emmyceru 20:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Suraj1

User:Suraj1 is dead. All hail the admins! - CobaltBlueTony 20:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• And there was much rejoicing. -Hit bull, win steak 20:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Durham?

The steak winning, that is. Derex 04:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Had some good times at the games. But, sadly, long ago for me. All nostalgic now. Derex 17:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Under a month

Hi,

Given how dim-witted I usually am, I'm happy that I caught sight of your username as quickly as I did. Suffice it to say that the moniker gave me pause, and a big chuckle! Thanks! :) Xoloz 00:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC) (Moo back at ya!)

Re:User:Craiky333

Well, the deleted pages contained various rather nasty insults and other nonsense. This, combined with the attack content added to articles about football players (Ruud van Nistelrooy, Didier Drogba) led me to my decision to block the account. - Mike Rosoft 14:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Monkey Kettle

Hi there,

Thanks for having a look at the Monkey Kettle entry I created this afternoon. Sorry if it doesn't seem like it has enough Interest (I think that might be the reason), or if it seemed like a Vanity Entry - I was just browsing through the list of UK Literary Magazines, and came across several magazines similar in size and popularity to ours, so thought I would try adding an entry for our own magazine, along the basis of "well, if they're on there, presumably we should be on there". Is that not appropriate?

Or do I need to add more info to the entry? Cheers,

Matthewmt 15:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)x

Oh right - well, I didn't actually add that myself, I only noticed for the first time today, and all I did was change the spelling of my name, cos whoever added it got it wrong. I'll wipe my name off forthwith! ;-) So it wasn't you that put the Monkey Kettle entry up for deletion?

Thanks - am slowly starting to get to grips with this!

Matthewmt 15:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Matthewmt

Cheers - it looks like Friday is not a fan of something called "cruft" which I guess the article as it stands could be classed as. I'll have a look in my archives and see what else I can add to reduce the "cruftness". Thanks again.

Matthewmt 15:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Matthewmt

That would seem to be what those other mags have done. Cheers, I'll try that.

Matthewmt 15:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Matthewmt

WP:AN/I

You're probably right about Maury; if Jimbo wanted to reveal that he wears women's underwear, though, Jerry would be the way to go... :) Joe 19:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

RFC

Hi. Thanks for informing me about that : I probably wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Morwen - Talk 15:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

RFCU

No, you did it fine. As a checkuser clerk, Essjay wants us to be impartial and not look like we are making decisions or rulings on cases; however if I see a missing piece of information that might be useful to a case I will often add it. Thatcher131 17:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I did however remove your comment for the reason indicated in the edit summary. Checkuser requests should not deteriorate into pissing contests between accusers and acusees. (Trust me, no one will be fooled.) Thatcher131 21:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact, if you want to pursue this immediately (without waiting for the check) you could move for the RFC to be dismissed, as it is clear that single purpose accounts (polite name for meat puppets) are to be treated as single accounts just like sockpuppets (WP:SOCK). So the RFC was certainly certified in bad faith, and the mediation was probably also carried out in bad faith since, by sometimes no logging in at all, he/they gave the impression of being at least 3 people with that view. (In fact, someone with a Pacbell IP address has been pushing since July 2005 to include Amber's boyfriends in Amber Benson, against the wishes of a group of IP addresses trying to take it out.) Thatcher131 21:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

well, the mediation case has a mediator. For the RFC, I'm not really sure. Read around the instruction page and see if it mentions anyone responsible for keeping an eye out. You should also tell Morwen, he would probably be the best person to make a motion for closure. Thatcher131 22:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Mackensen's reply about not giving out IP addresses, if you look at Cuthbert11's first edit (to an AfD) and read the rest of the AfD, you will find a remark from a Pacbell IP that is signed Cuthbert11. However, I'm not sure how you would use the information, since IPs change and should only be given short term blocks. IMO, any SoCal IP that acts like Cuthbert can be treated like Cuthbert, even without certified proof. Thatcher131 17:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on the Amber Benson mediation

Thanks for the note. I have decided to suspend the mediation, to see how the RFCU comes up and to give the parties a time out. I also decided to strike all personal attacks on the page and my hands are still covered in blood! BrownHornet21 02:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Linking categories

If you want to link a category use ] :Image: also works for linking an image. Kotepho 00:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Looking around nervously...

If I disappear in the next few days, it is good to know someone will be able to give the cops a heads-up. ;) Best wishes, and tell my mother I loved her, Xoloz 00:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review for Arbor View High School

Please be aware that this discussion has closed and is now being reviewed at Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2006_June_29#Arbor View High School. Silensor 22:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Erik carter

You tagged the above article as a speedy under CSD A7 and rightly so. i've deleted it. i've also noticed that you have already appraised the creator of that article that it may be deleted. it is a good thing to let them know as it helps them in understanding the system here - unfortunately very few speedy taggers do this. Good to see u do this, keep up the good work. --Gurubrahma 14:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sourcing

Thanks for the quick turnaround on that source. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you call the police, colloquially?

Popo, 5-0, fuzz? --NEMT 17:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Fairbank

Thank you for expanding the Fairbank Memorial Park article, Moo! Vivelequebeclibre 23:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

And thanks for the note regarding Cellpreference. When I get chance later today, I will ask for this action to be reviewed on the noticeboard. Proto///type 06:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for the kind words. I think I'll hold off on running again for a while; I have JS and that works extremely well. PS: nice username! — getcrunk what?! 12:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Rescue from Deletion Barnstar

I noticed your great contributions tonight. I'm giving you this rescue from deletion barnstar for your nice save on Arbor View High School. Thanks for stepping in and doing the work that I had promised to do (but was to lazy to actually act on). Have a great day! Regards, Alphachimp 06:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Re; Oakville123

Ha, thanks. I've extended his block to 48 hours. --Pilotguy 17:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

My deletion of Shem booth

hi there Hit bull, win steak. Due to the fact that nobody notified of the commentary at WP:ANI on my deletion of this article, I managed to miss the post as the headline didn't mention me specifically - I was unable to respond to the claims of the user before it went dead. There is a long response I posted to the user in question on my own page - but in short, the claim to notability that was present in his autobio was that he was a PhD student. AFAIK, I have seen random PhD students speedily deleted before and so, I wrote that comment in the deletion summary to make clearer the a7 reasoning. As for his claims that I had many angry messages about my deletions, well that is true, but they were about expired prods and a repost of Kai Wong, so I had to reiterate that I have not being roguely deleting stuff, just in case me might have misled anyone. Thankyou, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hello Hit bull, win steak, and thank you for your support at my Request for Adminship, which succeeded with an overwhelming final count of (105/2/0). I was very pleased with the outpouring of kind words from the community that has now entrusted me with these tools, from the classroom, the lesson in human psychology and the international resource known as Misplaced Pages. The 💕. Please feel free to leave me plenty of requests, monitor my actions (through the admin desk on my userpage) and, if you find yourself in the mood, listen to some of what I do in real life. In any case, keep up the great work and have a fabulous day. Grandmasterka 06:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA

Hi,

Just so you know, you voted twice in support. I have stricken the second one for you. No worries -- I make that mistake all the time! :) Best wishes, Xoloz 18:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Grateful for your attribution of the unsigned edit on my page.--Taxwoman 11:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Haha

I wondered if you actually got it. Thanks again for your edits, and no worries =D. Regards, Alphachimp 23:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

RFA?

Looking at your contributions, I think that you would be a good administrator. Are you interested in this? If so, I'd be glad to start working on a RFA nomination for you. -Hit bull, win steak 17:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

While the suggestion is quite flattering, it is most certainly too early for me to consider being an administrator quite yet. I feel like I've just recently gotten my bearings ;) Additionally, I'm about to move out for college so it's going to be really hectic very soon and I'm not sure if I'll be able to have an internet service lined up. So basically, right now would be really bad timing for me. Thanks for the thought though :) --SeizureDog 21:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Darryn Lyons

Your excellent improvements to Darryn Lyons did manage to sway my vote. Good job! --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 22:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Despite the fact AfD isn't a vote; you also have my thanks. Computerjoe's talk 19:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Hey Hit bull, I just wanted to say thanks again for helping me out with this misguided and confusing AfD way back when. It may not have seemed like you did much, but it was quite helpful to me and I often remember it when I'm helping out a helpless newbie. Thank you!--Kchase T 04:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

(Replying here, as per your statement on your userpage). Thanks for your kind words. You've developed into a good editor, and I'm glad I was able to help. -Hit bull, win steak 19:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, again. I just saw it in my watchlist. Cheers!--Kchase T 19:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

No wikilayering

I never reqposted anything after I was made aware it is copyrighted. This is the problem with El_C delete of the history page cause we now have no record of time line. I first noticed the article is gone and then recreated it, only later seeing the accusations of copy vio. Zeq 14:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. As long as you don't do it again, now that you understand the copyright issues, then we shouldn't have any further problems. -Hit bull, win steak 14:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

sure. Zeq 17:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

I was wondering why, within your first few edits, you could participate in AfDs and RfCs, and welcome yourself. Are you a quick learner, or had you been editing anonymously for a while? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a reply on your talk page. -Hit bull, win steak 21:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG I WILL HAVE TO BLOCK YOU INDEFINITELY AND I WILL BE GREETED BY THE COMMUNITY AS A HERO. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh. -Hit bull, win steak 21:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Kudos for your user name

• Ok, I admit, I kept reading it as "Hit bull, win streak". I'm thinking to myself, "What the heck? Is bull some kind of a baseball term I never heard of?" Of course, I realize I was having selective lysdexia. So I figured I would pass along my LOL and a gratuitious :) for your efforts. — MrDolomite | Talk 21:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoops!

Fixed now. 1ne 16:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for coming to my defense with regards to the recent complaint levied against me by Quadzilla99 on the admin noticeboard. I've spend a fair bit of time cleaning up some of the pages started by and edited by this user, however he feels that many of my edits and requests for sources are a form of harassment. Again, thanks. Yankees76 14:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

References

On the admin thread you noted:

"I have to say that missing citation tags don't seem unreasonable to me, since the article does not include any reliable sources, just references to Apple-produced documents."

What is unreliable about Apple-produced documents? Many of my articles use the company's own documentation (manuals), and this is the case for the vast majority of the articles on software that I can find.

Is this actually a problem? If so, can you point to a policy on this? I looked over CITE and ref pages, and I can't see anything that seems to suggest this is a bad ref.

Maury 14:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Some of the statements in the AppleShare article conform to this standard (such as system requirements and release dates), while others do not (the section on the Advanced Technology Group, the re-use of code within Sherlock, etc.).

Ok, these certainly apply. Now here's the problem: I was sitting there when Steve Cisler, of ATG, gave the demo of Rosebud in 1992, and before I was laid off and the admin in question deleted it all, I had personal e-mail from him stating that AppleSearch was built from Rosebud.

So these are facts, and they are true. Is there some sort of guideline for using direct personal evidence? Maury 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, more questions. So WHY can't one use your own personal experience as a ref on a 3rd party demo? I'm not sure I understand the logic there. The basic chain of logic is "I saw Steve say this is AppleSearch". So what is the (potential) problem with this? That I am incorrect? It would appear that simply publishing that statement doesn't do anything to correct that problem. But as you point out, the book in question directly supports the statements -- in fact it seems the author saw the same demo I did.

And I have to describe it too, we were at what was basically an all-DOS show about BBSs (remember those?) and up comes this demo. The room was packed, overflowing into the hallway. Up comes the Rosebud demo, and you could (literally) hear the gasps of awe. Really, gasps. Standing ovation at the end (well, some of us were standing to begin with...). And then they release AppleSearch, which was about as cool as watching paint dry. *sigh* Maury 15:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

---

More guidance needed. I recently added the ref you found (thanks!) and removed one of the cite needed tags. Now it looks like I'm involved in a revert war with Tom over whether or not that source also covers the other (randomly inserted) cites in the same paragraph.

So two questions:

1. is there official policy, or even guidelines, on when a cite is required, as opposed to a footnote? Even Tom agrees that the statements in the article are covered in the footnotes. So is there any obligation to add in-lines? I only hesitate because in this particular case the tags were added seemingly at random by someone I believe is completely unfamiliar with the topic in question (although that may be a ruse, who knows). Some of them make sense, but others are silly, and still others examples were not tagged when even I think they should have been. So is there any obligation on my part, or anyone else, to fill these in?issue

1. is there any guidance on whether or not an editor can remove a cite needed tag?

In this particular case one of the tags is on a release date being "about 1991". Even if this statement were untrue, which it isn't, that error would not materially effect the article itself. So should I ignore it, as I am inclined to do?

I find it difficult to believe that a cite needed tag is a one-way operation.

Maury 22:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

RFA thanks

RfA message

		My RfA video message
		Stephen B Streater 08:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Teke's RfA thanks

Thank you for your support of my RfA, which has passed with a final tally of 76/1/1. With this overwhelming show of support and approval I am honored to serve Misplaced Pages in the task charged to me and as outlined in my nomination. Happy editing to you! Teke 17:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Fairbank Memorial Park

I just noticed this. Great job! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 03:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Misplaced Pages. With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you. (Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp 01:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bull Durham

I commend you on coming up with an inventive handle. Now all you need is a picture of the Bull Durham bull on your user page. d:) Wahkeenah 00:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

This one, for example. Yes, I should re-scan it to make a better photo. This was just a first try. d:) Wahkeenah 02:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I done did it. Wahkeenah 01:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Soapy the Chicken

Not sure how I missed that one, but it's been dealt with. Thanks. -- Steel 20:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

hi hit bull

i'm really sorry... i don't think i'd be able to help out on that Asma article right now (suffice to say i know nothing about her!). though i just wanted to say... interesting name! :) ITAQALLAH 18:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

oops

sorry about that large delete on the 2006 senate page. it was accidental. i was trying to move text around. thanks for putting it back.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.214.29 (talk • contribs)

• Not a problem, don't worry about it. I've accidentally done the same thing on other pages myself. -Hit bull, win steak 22:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

DRV

Would you please look at my proposal re 911tRtT? Thanks, — Xiutwel (talk) 08:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reminder

You removed the prod from Michael Oher last week, and indicated in the edit summary you could improve it. I thought I'd better bring it your attention as another editor has re-added the prod. Catchpole 20:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)