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NuclearUmpf (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Admitted, according to the clerk Requests for checkuser here of being a sockpuppet for User:Zer0faults. Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/NuclearUmpf for details of the Arbcom, etc. Travb (talk) 17:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Um no I didnt, I admitted to using zer0faults previously adn not violating anything in WP:SOCK nor my Arbcom enforcement as the Arbcom clerk pointed out to you. Stop misrepresenting me. Further do not say that you wont file a complaint then go ahead and file on hopnig I wont find out to defend myself, its quite dishonest. --NuclearUmpf 17:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So what Arbcom decision did I break? --NuclearUmpf 17:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We will let the admins decide the issues, it is now out of our hands. I will let you have the last word on this User:Zer0faults. Sincerely, Travb (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You are asking for an enforcement of nothing? You have to say what needs to be enforced. I come here to edit adn your wikistalknig me is getting out of hand, I created a new name to get away from yuo constantly attempting to ally people against me and you still follow me around. You vote on AfD's that I start under this name, the only AfD vote you had in like 20+ days oddly enough and then wonder why I started a new name. I have not broken any Arbcom ruling not Wiki policy and I get this continued harrassment. You can look under my userpage to see my contributions, I don't need this aggravation cause he is bitter that a movie article he made is getting deleted when DrV finishes. As Thatcher said "arbitration is also not supposed to be a club to beat you over the head with indefinitely" so if you are not here stating I broke anything in my Arbcom decision then stop harrassing me. --NuclearUmpf 17:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Having an undeclared sockpuppet while under probation is wrong. It means you have an account that isn't subject to the decision, because no one associates the account with the probation. If that wasn't your intention, you should have revealed it, otherwise it was evasion. Dmcdevit·t 20:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that it is revealed do you think further sanctions are warranted for the evasion? Thatcher131 20:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It says directly on the zer0faults page that any Admin or Arbcom member can ask for the ID and it will be provided:

I have left this username to edit under a new one. I am keeping an eye on my Arbcom ruling and while I do not agree with the decision I will however abide by it. I will not turn over this username to anyone but an admin with reasonable cause supported by a request by Arbcom, and then I expect them not to make it public. I will not vote twice and have no plans to edit any of my previous controversial articles. Peave love and Wikiness. I really liked this page and you all will be missed.

What I wanted to prevent by doing it this way was people like Travb following me around again, which he did in fact do, and then went on to message people off Misplaced Pages that I had disputes with. So there isnt any evasion when all someone had to do was ask from the start.

Here is another great example as to why I left the name behind and only asked admins or arbcom to ask for it. I think its getting to the point where I will need to have my new name hidden if it comes to more trolling on my talk page. The sad part is that this user is basically asking a dumb question cause zer0 already went under the RFCU thumb voluntarily and proved he was not rex (I / he).

And another example I am now asking an admin or Arbcom member to allow me to have a hidden username that only Arbcom knows of.

And another . --NuclearUmpf 03:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Response to NuclearUmpf There is no general provision for hiding a new identity except from certain arbitrators or admins. There are only 14 arbitrators, and of 1000 or so admins probably only a dozen or so have particular interest in you or your types of articles (some admins can recognize Lightbringer socks on sight, for example, but not me). The only way to hold you to your probation is for you to continue to use the original account or for you to publically disclose your name change. Dmcdevit is right in that creating this new account was in reality an attempt to evade your probation even if such was not your intent. No action is needed at this time, but you need to pick one account and stick with it. Thatcher131 03:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Response to Travb Your recent comments on NuclearUmpf's user talk page could be seen as an attempt to provoke a reaction (in other words, trolling, although that word is overused). I would like you to read the top of this page, particularly where it says "Most editors under ArbCom sanction are neither trolls nor vandals and should be treated with the same respect as any other editor. We should still Assume Good Faith. Arbitration Committee decisions are designed to be coercive, not punitive." I'd like you to confine your comments to the talk pages of any articles you both edit and to discuss the substance of each others' edits, not the personalities behind them. (This, of course, applies to everyone on Misplaced Pages all the time.) If NuclearUmpf edits in a way that appears to violate his probation, you can make a new complaint here. (I am aware that he must have edited in a similar enough way to be detected, however, he is still allowed to edit, and he is allowed to oppose other users so long as he does it in accordance with commonly accepted standards of civility, consensus, and so on.) Thatcher131 03:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

thank you for your comments Thatcher131. Can I correct you on one small issue, if you don't mind? I have never commented on NuclearUmpf's talk page. I haven't commented on NuclearUmpf/Zer0faults talk page since around the time he started deleting my comments.Misplaced Pages:Talk_pages#Etiquette

I'd like you to confine your comments to the talk pages of any articles you both edit and to discuss the substance of each others' edits, not the personalities behind them.

That is a great idea. The only page we have in common is the Alleged terrorism page. Unfortunatly, I will have to continue to defend myself if user Zer0faults reports me on ANI again, and here of course. I have never edited any of this articles that he has been involved in, I made sure not too. I have voted in administrative votes/discussions and in AfD's he has been involved in. We both have followed each other around. The stark and only difference is I have never put an article up for AfD that Zer0faults wrote. I hope we can put this all behind us. I want too, but the subject continues to come up. Unfortunatly, it is in my best interst to watch Zer0faults edits. I don't want to be ambushed by another ANI etc. by Zer0faults. Again, I agree with you. I have been guilty of explaining "personalities behind articles", but since I was temporarily booted, then unbooted less than an hour later, for an unrelated incident, I have been incredibly civil. Anyway, sorry to drag you into this.

I have to agree with Dmcdevit and Thatcher131. Although your name changed User:NuclearUmpf, your behavior didn't. Why do so many people write so many mean things to you on your user pages? Why did you have 6 admins sanction you? It is because of your behavior. You can blame me for revealing your sockpuppet, to arguably "evade your probation", but I am not reponsible for the strongly negative feelings that quite a lot of wikiusers have against you.

As I wrote before:

I have learned in life that the problems I have with other people follow me throughout my life. I can move, but my personality flaws move with me. If I have a problem with person x, I will have the same problem with person y.

I have also have found that when I have problems with a person, and dislike a person for some reason, usually most everyone else feels the same way.

Zerofaults, you can shoot the messengers, or you can change your behavior. At this point, shooting the messenger will eventually get you booted indefinently. So that leaves truly only one option, doesn't it? Based on my past experience with you, you will opt for the shoot the messenger option, sigh.

Sorry to break your rule "both edit and to discuss the substance of each others' edits, not the personalities behind them", User talk:Thatcher131. I have no excuse. Sorry. I figured this would be a good farwell speech. Hopefully it is in fact a farewell speech.

I will let Zer0faults have the last word (again), and unless he provokes this yet again, move on.Travb (talk) 05:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

All because the people at WP:OR said you were wrong ... Oddly you said you never edited something I edited, yet you commented on the AfD I started right after I asked the people at WP:OR to take a look at the allegations page, did we forget that? I have given dif's of this user stalking my edits and attempting to ralley people to harass and bother me. You know what keep sending them my way because I will start reporting them and you from now on. I will continue to edit Misplaced Pages and laugh at the fact that the article will never be renamed and WP:OR will prevail. I am done playing this childish game.

I want to clear something up, I put Travb's article up for deletion he then followed me around and stalked my contrib list for the next week, voted against an AfD I started without giving any explanation, and began contacting anyone I disagreed with off wiki such as GeoSwan, the difs are above to prove this. My final message to Travb is that all his wikidrama will not change the fact that WP:OR is a policy and I will continue to ask you to follow it, yes dont shoot the messenger indeed.

PS. Reverse psychology may work on three year olds but not on adults, try tell a judge that in a court of law and enjoy the laughter that follows. --NuclearUmpf 10:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

(Travb, I may have gotten you mixed up with RyanF, who was posting to my talk page last night. Sorry about that.)

It sounds like you both should let the community speak for you. If the consensus of uninvolved editors at a neutral forum (such as AFD or WT:OR) is with you, that is sufficient rebuke; if consensus is against you, it doesn't really matter who started the conversation.

You know what? It's a beautiful clear dawn where I am right now. Every day is a new day, so I'm going to slap a closed sign on this discussion and ask everyone to move on. Good luck. Thatcher131 11:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archived report. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

User:Hipi Zhdripi et al

Hipi Zhdripi (talk · contribs) is under an Arbitration Committee injunction not to make disruptive edits in Kosovo or related pages. The notice of injunction is here.

Since the injunction came into force, it has repeatedly been violated by Hipi Zhdripi using anonymous IP addresses starting 172.* (dynamic IPs at his ISP) - see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kosovo/Evidence#Editors involved after start of Arbitration. His violations of the injunction are becoming increasingly frequent (at least daily now), and in addition a number of other mostly anonymous users (nationalists on both sides) have disrupted and vandalised the article repeatedly. Assistance would be appreciated in monitoring the article during the ongoing arbitration.

Reported by: ChrisO 23:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hipi Zhdripi blocked for 24 hours as it is clear the edits were his . Thatcher131 06:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Intangible

Intangible (talk · contribs) - case: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Intangible.

Could someone have a look at the recent edits at Vlaams Belang and Bloed-Bodem-Eer en Trouw, especially the latter. I feel I'm being drawn into an edit war with Intangible again. In the latter article, he keeps removing a paragraph linking the neo nazi organisation with the Vlaams Belang, very loosely based indeed on WP:V. Thanks. Please have a word with him.

, and . (You'll find my two reverts inbetween those three.) --LucVerhelst 18:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Verhelst, what is your problem? Here you accuse me of sockpuppetry , here you accuse me of tendentious edits . This is ridiculous. My edits were not tendentious, I provided an edit rational in all cases (and some on the talk page). You have no consensus for your rv . It's a shame you should be blaming me for tendentious editing. Intangible 18:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't acuse you of being or using a sockpuppet, I was discussing the possibility that you would return to Misplaced Pages after the arbcom decision as a sockpuppet, and how the arbcom decision could be inforced in that case.
• You might have added the diff where I provided an explanation for calling your edits tendentious : .

--LucVerhelst 21:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please have a friendly word with him ? Please ? , , , here he seems to have realised he couldn't go on on the first track, deciding to try something new : , --LucVerhelst 21:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

From WP:PROB "Striking out at users on probation is strongly discouraged." It seems you now already have struck out on me on more than three occassions, the latest being . This is really uncalled for Mr. Verhelst, and I hope an administrator will have a word with you, because this is tiresome. Intangible 08:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

People that disagree with you on the subject of an article are not necessarily striking at you personally, you know. Or do you mean the reference to your ArbCom case ? I think I am fully entitled to point out to you in what way you are -in my opinion- violating the ArbCom decision/your probation. --LucVerhelst 09:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

One more : --LucVerhelst 10:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

And these maybe on the BBET article, and on the Neo-Nazism article --LucVerhelst 10:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but these edits were necessary to make sure no false authority is given to the view of this journalist. There is enough conspiracist thinking going around at Misplaced Pages. Cas Mudde, a well-known political science professor at the University of Antwerpen, who studies neo-nazi groups in West Europe, had never heard of BBET before, but somehow this journalist knows all! Intangible 16:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This article of 3 March 2006 already mentioned BBET. And This article from 14 April 2006. And this article of 17 May 2006. I wonder where you got the information that Cas Mudde never heard of BBET. --LucVerhelst 22:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

. Intangible 11:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Intangible is again engaging in disruptive behavior concerning the BBET (and the relevant article & apparently also in Neo-Nazism). Before the arrests following the terrorist plans of BBET, the group was well known by ALL far right specialists, although most thought it was nothing more than a review and a group of neo-nazi teenagers. The police searches found military grade weapons, bombs and assassination plots, which make of it more than a simple "teenagers cult". He is deleting information, and changing content, claiming — against all of the Belgian press — that Manuel Abramowicz is not a "specialist of the far right". Please see fr:Manuel Abramowicz for credentials, as well as fr:ResistanceS for information on the website (which uses lots of scholars, see the list — even if you don't speak French you will see the links to the Universities in question). Intangible claims to know better than the Belgian press about the relevancy of various factors. This is a breach of Misplaced Pages:No Original Research and he is arguing just for the sake of arguing. Enough! Tazmaniacs 14:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect:

• The link I provided above (in Dutch) is to one of these "far right specialists" Cas Mudde. You can check Google Scholar and see his many peer reviewed publications and citations to his work. Mudde had never heard of BBET before. He also says: "I cannot directly see how any terrorist campagne can be executed by any of such groups." I have nothing more to add to your averse writing Mr. Tazmaniacs. Intangible 18:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Your link dates from 8 September 2006. I provided three articles mentioning BBET in March, April and May. They're articles from one of the Belgian quality papers. I really don't understand how professor Mudde could have overlooked them, being focused on the far right that much.

Actually, I must admit that I never heard of professor Mudde before you mentioned him. That's a bit strange, since I'm quite interested in politics, and he's a professor at the university in my home town.--LucVerhelst 19:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

FIY, Intangible also seems to be involved in Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Neo-Fascism. --LucVerhelst 08:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Will314159 is the reason why mediation is being sought. Please do not make suggestive comments on things you clearly have no idea about. Intangible 12:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I assumed that the people the information was meant for are wise enough to evaluate this. I was a bit reluctant to mention the mediation case, but thought it was best to mention it here anyway, making the work lighter for the administrators.--LucVerhelst 14:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack

I feel I have been personally attacked by Intangible at and . I left a {{npa2}} template on his talk page. --LucVerhelst 20:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

And here. --LucVerhelst 20:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

And here. --LucVerhelst 14:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

--LucVerhelst 15:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Today I left the {{npa3}} template on his talk page, now I see he archived his entire talk page. Is this appropriate ? --LucVerhelst 22:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, there are two schools of thought on that. There are people who read the user page guidelines and say what you do with your talk page is no big deal, and there are poeple who read the vandalism policies that say that removing valid warnnings from one's own talk page is vandalism. (There was even an edit war recently over what the policy should be, if you can believe that.) I tend to think that it's not necessary to treat warnings like {npa} as some kind of scarlet letter. He obviously saw it if he archived it, and if it ever becomes an issue its right there in the page history so he can never say he wasn't warned.

I'm going to look into the further particulars of your situation tonight, but right now I have to be offline for about 4 hours. Thatcher131 22:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Thatcher131. A warning need not stay on a talk page after it is read. Admins need to look at the history when giving warning and blocking anyway. --FloNight 13:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Trolling

I'm starting to get the feeling that Intangible is now showing behaviour that could constitute trolling. Especially when looking at Talk:Bloed, Bodem, Eer en Trouw, or this edit. Could someone look into this aspect, and confirm or deny my feeling ? Thank you. --LucVerhelst 20:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC) Another example.--LucVerhelst 08:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Response

I don't see anything worth taking action for yet. Intangible's calling some of your comments "nonsense" is personal, and a mild personal attack. But the two remedies available are to block him (per the usual blocking policy), or to ban him from the articles in question (per the arbitration decision). These comments wouldn't deserve a block from another user and I'm not convinced they should in this case. Also, repeatedly tagging experienced users with {npa} templates is often viewed as not a very nice thing to do, and you certainly don't need to edit war over their removal. A few nice words is often enough, and if not, then at least you've got nothing negative on your account. Otherwise, the article talk page comments look like two people with a content dispute who have stopped listening to each other. I don't yet see any trolling.

An article ban is a blunt instrument and I'm also not sure at this time that it is warranted. Let me explain why. Although arbitration decisions deal with user behavior, I have looked into the content dispute underlying this situation. There seems to be an effort to link the Belgian political party BBET with an American professor from a fringe white supremacist movement. This is based on a French language report that in turn is drawn from sources including the professor's remarks published in an obscure 24 page 3-times a year white supremacist newsletter. The newsletter is not online but the article is copied on a blog and on BBET's web site. Technically, WP:RS policy stands behind the newspaper. The allegations that the newspaper mistranslated the professor's remarks are poorly supported since the blog and BBET site they are cached on could have been altered. No one has produced a scan of a paper copy of the newsletter that could definitively impeach the newspaper. If such a copy were produced, it would not mean the newsletter was an RS, but it would cast strong doubt on the La Libre story.

However, I question the propriety of including the claim at all, even if it is sourced per policy. This is a classic example of attempting to prove guilt by association. I'm not sure why it is necessary to try and associate a Belgian political party with a fringe American to discredit it; would we include in an article on the US Democratic Party the fact that some party officials may have been visited by a fringe French or Belgian politician who was so obscure that the visit wasn't written about for two years? Surely there are sufficient Belgian sources to write an encyclopedia article about the activities of a Belgian political party in Belgium without having to rely on guilt by association through a single questioned newspaper article. I would strongly advice you to knock off the guilt-by-association unless you have more evidence of significant contacts between BBET and American white supremacists.

Regarding Abromowitz, I wonder about a "journalist" founding an advocacy web site. American journalists aren't generally allowed to be members of advocacy groups, much less be founders. You need to be very careful in selecting sources that are reporting, not advocacy (for example, newspaper articles, but not editorials) and a reporter who is also an advocate presents a real problem.

Intangible has been sanctioned for engaging "in tendentious editing which minimizes the neo-fascist tendencies of parties." But this case is a poor example of this and does not yet (in my opinion) rise to the level of a ban. Develop better sources, and avoid guilt by association. Things BBET said or did are vastly more powerful than who they have associated with. I didn't really want to analyze the content dispute but I did; hopefully this will prove helpful to any other admin who reviews the situation. Thatcher131 04:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

• Note on the side : BBET isn't a political party, it's a small neo nazi grouping.
• Aside from that, I largely agree with your response. --LucVerhelst 12:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The issue is indeed not about BBET being a neo nazi group, it is about alleged ties of BBET to a mainstream political party (VB), which do not exist. Intangible 14:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification from both of you. It seems to me like the currently available evidence for a connection has some problems. In any case, edit warring over it is not the solution. If you can't find stronger evidence, you can try a request for comment, third opinion, or mediation. If there is a strong consensus one way or the other after some additional dispute resolution processes, and the article is still disrupted, there would be a stronger case for intervention. Thatcher131 14:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with Intangible. The issue is not about alleged ties with the VB, the issue is about the way Intangible thinks he can edit. He simply refuses to discuss the content of the matter. --LucVerhelst 15:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks like you both have discussed the content issue so much that you are no longer paying attention to each other and are just repeating old arguments. You think the LaLibre story is a reliable source and his argument about mistranslation is original research. He thinks the English language version of Griffin's comments proves the newspaper story is based on a mistranslation. My thoughts on the matter aren't important, as arbitration is about user conduct, not content. I do not at this time see this as one-sided disruption, but two people being equally stubborn. Please engage in one of the dispute resolution mechanisms I described above. Thatcher131 15:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that about everybody who has had to deal in the past with Intangible has stopped listening to him. This is why Cberlet has made a Rfa against him, and why he is on "parole". This explains why Luc Verhelst, whose used to dealing diplomaticall with people he disagree with, is having troubles communicating with Intangible. Intangible has decredibilized him in the eyes of 99% of the people here. I don't know if it's possible to have a fresh start (I'd like it too: I don't like the idea of banning someone forever because of some mistakes), but he certainly needs one if he wants to be able to edit in a confortable environment. Now, concerning the issue of the debate itself, BBET is not a party, but a fringe neofascist group. In this sense, it is not an attempt to smear by association to quote La Libre Belgique on its connections with the US revisionist professor, but a demonstration of the international links of neofascism. Any scholar who studies neo-fascism knows that, as fringe far-left group (trotskyists, etc), they can survive only by maintaining international connections. Thus, it is an important thing to point out. Second, alleged links between BBET & Vlaams Belang (as between French skinheads and the Front National) can be found in many newspaper articles and scholars' studies. For the simple reason that skinheads are used as "order service" during demonstrations of far-right, more "respectable" organizations. Last, Thatcher31's remarks concerning journalism & activism is perfectly valid... in the US, as he has pointed out. In Europe, advocacy journalism is very common, and it is actually only under the influence of Anglo-Saxon press that some have started advocating "neutral journalism" (such as Le Monde). But, to the contrary of the States, this is certainly not the norm in Europe. If you take French newspapers, apart of Le Monde which has positionned itself as an "objective, non-partisan" newspaper (which of course has been questionned; e.g. it supported Edouard Balladur during the 1995 presidential elections), Libération conceived itself as a left-wing newspaper, Le Figaro as an openly conservative newspaper (very good on international matters, but very partisan on national matters), and, of course, L'Humanité which used to be the Communist party's newspaper. Take Italy: all newspapers were organs of political parties. Etc. Tazmaniacs 20:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask yourself why User:Jvb and User:1652186 have stopped editing the Vlaams Belang article. Intangible 22:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

User:1652186 has stopped editing on Misplaced Pages altogether. User:Jvb took quite a long wikibreak.

I don't know why User:Jvb left on wikibreak, I always assumed he just changed user names.

The (real) reason User:1652186 left to me becomes clear with this diff: "this pretty much summarizes everything I've tried to show about Belgium in the past few months". I believe User:1652186 was trying to use Misplaced Pages as a forum for his beliefs, and got frustrated when he discovered that not everyone agreed with his viewpoints. --LucVerhelst 11:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Belien

Please check out this diff, with this comment : "removed per http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/515, anything cochez writes about Belien is pretty much bull". He removes content, that is based on articles from one of the country's quality newspapers, and refers for his removal to a web log. How am I supposed to react to this ? --LucVerhelst 15:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, he removed three sources citing a weblog, it seems. I can't read dutch. Ask him to explain on the talk page why each of those sources fails WP:V, since he has cited it himself in the BBET talk page. Thatcher131 15:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I did it, and he replied: "I did not remove these sources based on WP:V.". --LucVerhelst 15:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to edit the article for you. You need to engage him in a good faith discussion on the talk page. If he doesn't have good reason to remove the comments, put them back. If he acts disruptively and won't explain his edits, report it here again or to the administrators noticeboard. On BBET you both had good points and you both stopped listening to each other. Don't get into that pattern again. Thatcher131 16:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Note

• See WP:RFAR#Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Intangible (encore). Intangible 15:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
• Btw, if people are going to accuse me of "removing sourced material" than what about this edit: ? Intangible 13:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We talked about this on the talk page Talk:Vlaams Belang#Pro Flandria. I believe WP:NPOV#Undue weight was appropriate here (and I even proved it with a newspaper reference).--LucVerhelst 14:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

You didn't prove anything. The organization had its views published in the main newspapers of Belgium, De Tijd and De Standaard (they were not as you simply called them "letters to the editor"), and I can easily provide 10+ other news articles of these two papers in which the organization is mentioned. Intangible 15:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• I want it also to be known that User:LucVerhelst is direct political opponent of the Vlaams Belang, competing against them in the 2006 Belgian municipal elections. So it is hard for me to WP:AGF on his part. Intangible 13:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We talked about this in your ArbCom case, where you repeatedly suggested to get me involved. My quote : "I already revealed my personal political stance on 17 Dec 2005 : . If there is doubt about the neutrality of my edits, I would welcome very much any example." The arbitrators decided not to look into my case, and you did not provide any example. Furthermore, I am making it clear to anyone what my affiliation is : see my userpage. --LucVerhelst 14:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I suggested to get you involved?! Intangible 15:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Arthur Ellis

• The remedies for the ArbComm decision concerning Warren Kinsella were that Arthur Ellis was banned from the Warren Kinsella and related pages, with the exception of the talk page for Mark Bourrie. He is also to limit himself to one account.

• 209.217.84.167 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), an IP consistent with Ellis' past usage, edited the Bourrie entry here, removing reference to the Kinsella lawsuit.

• That the IP 209.217.84.167 is in fact Arthur Ellis is shown by this diff, where Ellis signs the IP's edits as his own. Bucketsofg✐ 18:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

IP blocked 24 hours, Arthur Ellis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked for 12 hours, since he is involved in another open arbitration. Thatcher131 19:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was blocked for 24 hoursArthur Ellis 23:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I set the block on your username for 12 hours, partly because there have been so many IP addresses associated with you edits in the past. If you were blocked for the full 24 hours, it must have been due to the IP block. I'll update the block log at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Warren Kinsella to reflect what actually occurred. Even though my attempt to take it easy on you in view of the other open case failed, 24 hours was appropriate to the violation. Thatcher131 23:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I only use one IP, so a 24-hour IP block is a 24-hour user name block. Are you trying to entice me to use more than one IP? That just wouldn't be right! Arthur Ellis 02:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker

In the Encyclopaedia Metallum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), the user Deathrocker keeps on reverting the page. He's under parole, was blocked for one day, and already reverted the page a few times after his bloc expired. Pretty much anything other users do to change his edits he calls vandalism, so all his reverts are legit, because he's fixing vandalism! The discussions with him are very long and fruitless, and I've tried all ways to reach a consensus with him (See the discussion page, last topic "A new start"), I've tried to edit the page including a mix of his edits and mine, but he always chooses to "fix vandalism" and revert the page. Thanks. Evenfiel 13:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I warned him on his talk page that this is not simple vandalism, but a content dispute over how much the article should focus on the exclusion of one particular band. As a content dispute, he is expected to negotiate in good faith, and seek outside help such as a third opinion or request for comment if necessary, but not to simply revert others' edits. If he reverts again, I will block him. Thatcher131 14:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll also RFC. Thanks. Evenfiel 14:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

It's always a good idea to get a wider consensus for edits that may be controversial. Good luck. Thatcher131 14:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thatcher, check out the last few reverts by Deathrocker. According to him "we're trying to keep the zeppelin information short in order to avoid dispute.", meaning that he can have seven sources in the Led Zeppelin discussion, while the other side can only have two. Evenfiel 16:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Since you settled on your compromise wording regarding Led Zepplin, Deathrocker has reverted twice to a version with only two sources instead of 4.

• 19:16 29th
• 10:59 30th

Deathrocker is limited to 2 reverts per week, so that's it for the next six days. He should probably think about negotiation to reduce the number of his own sources in kind, ask for request for comment or third opinion, or just accept the inclusion of extra sources. Reverting is not endorsed as a method of editing. Thatcher131 03:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Tonycdp

The Arbitration Committee has found User:Tonycdp conducting personal attacks against User:Asterion in Spanish (can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Kosovo/Workshop#Personal_attack_by_Tonycdp). He is being found disruptive by the ArbCom (User:Dmcdevit, User:Fred_Bauder, User:The_Epopt, User:Jayjg and User:Jdforrester) at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Kosovo/Proposed_decision#Tonycdp_is_disruptive. I will now quote the decision of the ArbCom that was approved by the ArbCom on 14 September 2006: For the duration of this case, any of the named parties may be banned by an uninvolved administrator from Kosovo or related pages for disruptive edits. Tonycdp is a party in the Arbitration over the Kosovo article (see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Kosovo#Involved_parties). He has made articles called Southern North Kosovo and West Kosovo and according to this diff disrupted the Misplaced Pages violating Misplaced Pages:Don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. I will now quote User:Consumed_Crustacean from User_talk:Tonycdp#WP:POINT: ..you may be placed on a ban from Kosovo and related articles while the arbitration case is underway. Consider that ban now active, thanks to these edits of yours. It will be lifted once the case is over, and whatever decision they make will take its place. If you create or edit any articles related to Kosovo, you will be blocked (by myself or another administrator) from editing the Misplaced Pages for some period of time. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC) He was thus banned from Kosovo-related articles on 29 September 2006 and the Arbitration on Kosovo still lasts. However, he violated the ban, editing Kosovo in 09:44, 3 October 2006. Then he edited Dardania (Europe) in 10:17, 3 October 2006 (which is a part of the History of Kosovo series). And then he edited Priština (capital city of Kosovo) in 10:20, 3 October 2006. I do not know if this can be applied to talk pages, but he has edited Talk:Kosovo in 09:51, 3 October 2006, 10:06, 3 October 2006, 10:26, 3 October 2006 and 15:40, 3 October 2006. According to the instructions of the administrator who banned him (User:Consumed_Crustacean) - he is to be blocked if he violates the ban, which he did. --PaxEquilibrium 19:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

admin Consumed Crustacean| blocked Tonycdp (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for 48 hours for violating his article ban. Thatcher131 11:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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