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Hello and welcome to groupuscule's talk page.

How many people use this account?

I ask because I've noticed you using the plural "we" and "us" on multiple occasions when discussing various issues. Could you shed some light on that? Thargor Orlando (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

What a bad faith question! I see Groupuscule using "we" and "us" when referring to himself as a member of various Misplaced Pages editors who are looking at the same thing. It's normal English, normal behavior.

If you have any serious concerns about Groupuscule's editing behavior you can file a WP:RFCU. Your own behavior here might become a discussion item. Binksternet (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I figured, instead of just running to whatever noticeboard is around, I would ask and see if it could be sorted out. You know, not jumping to conclusions. Something you could use a lesson in, for the record. And be sure that, in the event I do escalate it further, I will let groupuscule know. Thargor Orlando (talk) 18:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Groupuscule has described her/himself elsewhere as a dolphin brain controlling a human body to explain the "we" (which G regularly uses). FWIW, I'd chalk it up to running gag rather than account abuse. -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I like that template. That's...weird. Where? Thargor Orlando (talk) 13:59, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a handy one. I don't specifically remember where the comment was at this point (Maybe on 13th amendment or Thaddeus Stevens); you could search G's user contributions in the Talk space if you're interested in running it down. I've worked with G on several articles, though, and I'd be surprised if they turn out to be a joint account; their contributions are consistent in style, interests, major strengths (terrific research) and minor weaknesses (typos, repeated words, etc.). -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Groupuscule, is your continued use of "we" dolphin brain or something else? Thargor Orlando (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm really tired of being harassed on my talk page because I contest the GMO industry's talking points. Are you concerned that I'm pulling the ol' "reverse sock puppet"? We'll use whatever pronouns she wants, thank you very much. groupuscule (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

No one's harassing you. Multiple use of accounts is not allowed is all, and part of the reason why is because, if multiple people are using an account, it's impossible to keep a consistent conversation going. Is it a yes or no? Thargor Orlando (talk) 16:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't owe you an answer. Are you having trouble understanding my position on the statements you advocate? Does it seem inconsistent to you? You—and those marching in lockstep with you on the GMO issue—are harassing me, and other users who disagree with your perspective. Kindly excuse yourself from my talk page. groupuscule (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Precious

countering systemic bias
Thank you for quality articles on cybernetics and civil rights, letting us know the Poor People's Campaign and the Year of Africa, for countering systemic bias, for inventive reviews, - a horn proclaims that you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Ooooh herzlichen dank!! Congratulations yourselves for bringing F.K. to the main page. We love/are "Up in the Gallery". your groupuscule (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 534th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were recipient no. 534 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

yes, I also remember F.K. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Four years now, and a K reminder on the Main page, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

apropos of everything

and nothing. enjoy petrarchan47คุก 19:12, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Attention: WikiProject African diaspora participants

Hello fellow project participants. Not sure how many users are still active as normal Misplaced Pages editors but felt the need to attempt to get a gauge on who can be called on for help with articles falling under the umbrella of the African diaspora project. According to the project's article table there are over six thousand articles related to the African diaspora; there's not a hundred at FA/GA grade and there's over twelve hundred that are unassessed. With Misplaced Pages being one of the major information reference points in the world today we should consider this unacceptable. Much work needs to be done on the rating of the importance of articles as well. With more communication amongst participants and a dedication to addressing the articles on the to-do list I believe we can make this WikiProject one of the most well organized and thorough on the site. If you are interested in collaborative work with some of your fellow project members, have certain expertise on any particular subjects, ideals on/about the WikiProject, etc. simply drop your name under the "Project revision" section I've created on the project's talk page and state your intentions and main points of interest in our WikiProject and we can attempt to move forward from there. Hoping to hear from everyone soon! WikiGuy86 (talk) 03:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Sources of information about mythology

The "funny piece" you referred to at Tiamat seems to be either egregiously outdated, totally misinformed, or perhaps even outright satirical. I have actually been doing a great deal of research on the origins of Greek mythology and all of his proposed etymologies in the introduction are completely off the mark. The etymologies proposed by Plato are, needless to say, not taken seriously by modern scholarship. If you are curious for some real theories about mythology origins, here are a few sources I have been using that I highly recommend:

Chadwick, John (1976). The Mycenaean World. New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-29037-1. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Mallory, James P.; Adams, Douglas Q. (2006). Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World. London: Oxford University Press.

Puhvel, Jaan (1987). Comparative Mythology. Baltimore, Maryland: John Hopkins University Press. ISBN 0-8018-3938-6.

West, Martin Litchfield (2007). Indo-European Poetry and Myth (PDF). Oxford, England: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-928075-9.

They will not tell you anything about Tiamat, but they contain a great deal of good information if you are interested in Greek mythology (not to mention other Indo-European mythologies). If you are curious about Sumerian mythology, the best source I can recommend to you is this one:

Kramer, Samuel Noah (1961). Sumerian Mythology: A Study of Spiritual and Literary Achievement in the Third Millennium B.C.: Revised Edition. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN 0-8122-1047-6.

Kramer may be slightly outdated at times, but he is still, to my knowledge, the foremost authority on all things ancient Sumer. I would also recommend this book:

Wolkstein, Diane; Kramer, Samuel Noah (1983). Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth: Her Stories and Hymns from Sumer. New York City, New York: Harper&Row Publishers. ISBN 0-06-090854-8. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

Wolkstein's knowledge about Sumer is rather questionable at times and she seems to take a rather over-the-time mystical approach towards the stories, but the translations of the Sumerian texts are good and the fact that Kramer is the coauthor gives the book a considerable degree of credence. I would also recommend this website. It is run by Oxford University and provides transliterations and translations of all the major Sumerian works of literature:

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/

These last three sources are the only ones listed here directly dealing with Mesopotamian myth, but I suspect you probably already saw all of them listed in the bibliography for Inanna when you reviewed it. For general information on ancient Sumer, I would recommend:

Kramer, Samuel Noah. The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1963. ISBN 0-226-45238-7.

Unfortunately, since I cannot read cuneiform myself, I cannot really help you on that front. You are on your own when it comes to that. --Katolophyromai (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

It's satirical; the author (whose invocation of Plato is totally fanciful, as far as I can tell) is trying to show how easy it is to construct a false etymology out of whole cloth. I think he does it pretty cleverly though.

Thanks for the recommendations! I have History Begins at Sumer but I'm guessing that the works you mention here are a little more serious. I will check these out ASAP.

On the topic of mythological origins have you ever come across Black Athena (expanding on the mentions in Herodotus that Greek religion derives mostly from Egypt), and if so what's your opinion of it? groupuscule (talk) 00:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

I have heard of Black Athena. Its central claims (such as the idea that Athena was based off the Egyptian goddess Neith) have been largely debunked by modern scholars. Nonetheless, it is partially correct in pointing out the unacknowledged role that Near Eastern civilizations played in the development of Greek culture. If you are interested in how Near Eastern cultures influenced Greek culture, I highly recommend M. L. West's The East Face of Helicon: West Asiatic Elements in Greek Poetry and Myth, which is a spectacular work of scholarship examining the frequently downplayed contributions of Near Eastern cultures and their influences on Greek literature and mythology. It is often considered West's magnum opus and is truly a worthwhile read. Some of its conclusions are still controversial, but many of them have become accepted. --Katolophyromai (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Chumbawamba

Hi,

I noticed that you thanked me for an edit on Amnesia (Chumbawamba song), and was wondering if you'd be interested in joining WikiProject Chumbawamba. At the moment, it's basically just me, but I've been hoping to find any other editors who are interested in the topic. If you don't want to join, that's fine; I just wanted to make you aware of the project if you're interested. —12:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for joining! And great joke, by the way. —Anotheronewiki (talk) 12:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear Another One, thank you so much for the kind personal invitation! How can I do otherwise than accept this unique opportunity to instantly double the membership of a worthy wikiproject?

(When do we get cool userboxes with chumba iconography?)

I don't usually focus on music articles but I will try to make some contributions to Chumbawumbiana. And thanks again to you for all the work you've done. groupuscule (talk) 12:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you again! And I'll get to work on those userboxes; I've already finished the first one; here it is: Template:Tubthumping What do you think? (I'll try to get to work on some more interesting ones later!) —Anotheronewiki (talk) 13:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Haha, perfect. groupuscule (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Deacons for Defense

Thanks for your encouragement on this article. I've also made additions to related articles Frederick Douglass Kirkpatrick, Jonesboro, Louisiana, Bogalusa, Louisiana, and Robert "Bob" Hicks House; and to T. Gillis Nutter. Am planning an article on Robert "Bob" Hicks and others of these local LA activists.Parkwells (talk) 16:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic! Admirable research and writing. Looking at your contribs I see you have been on a real tear. Is there any way you would like me to help? groupuscule (talk) 17:23, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit on African Americans

Thanks for replying to my edit on African Americans. Can I suggest that the statistics go in the genetics section as you stated with a subsection to explain the genetic makings of African Americans? Sarahann26125 (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, I think I can integrate those studies with the material that's already present under "Genome-wide studies". Maybe I can also use the source you cited on the talk page. groupuscule (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Peer review request for George Town, Penang

Hey there. I was wondering if you could help out in the peer review on George Town, Penang. I would like some third-party feedback as this article has been vastly improved and I want to see if it can be pushed to GA status.

Thanks. Vnonymous 22:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

It would be my pleasure. I may even be able to work on it tonight. groupuscule (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Really appreciate your help on this. Vnonymous 04:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Taxila

I appreciate your mediation efforts on the Taxila page. I've left the evidence you asked for. If you find it convincing, please undo the last edit by Captain00, who changed the page while asserting that Taxila is not a settlement, but is instead only an ancient site. Please note that Ancient Taxila already has a page. I'd change it myself, but capt.a.haddock reported me for a "edit-war" after he reverted literally dozens of my edits, and so I cannot do so. Willard84 (talk)

Notability (music)

Thanks for your notice. Did you send it 7 June? That debate ended badly and embarrassingly for me. I've cut my editing way back, and try to stay out of controversies, though another has just arisen. The result of the YouTube notoriety discussion it was part of shows that, at its worst, Misplaced Pages is a consensus debating society in which groupthink can easily shout down any idea that disturbs it. Interestingly, I discovered that my idea was empirically wrong. People who already have notoriety dominate YouTube hit/clicks, and the artist who I thought might deserve notoriety has pitiful numbers, by comparison. But none of my interlocutors were empirical enough to look it up. Tapered (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Tapered (past tense of taper? or inverted red tape ... perhaps suggested by your red link...) Yes, I just sent that "thank you" because I enjoyed the reference to payola. As it happens, Wiki-payola is a recurring area of concern for me. Yes, in some parts of this website it seems hard to get along. Meanwhile other parts feel like ghost towns.

All in all the music notability discussion was a little funny (to me as an uninvolved reader) but didn't seem to go anywhere. Personally I don't have a strong sense that YouTube celebs need Misplaced Pages articles, but I try to keep my mouth shut (fingers immobile) on these topics, as I do regarding the need for such articles as Area Codes (song), Mitt Romney dog incident, Engagement announcement dress of Catherine Middleton, etc., ad nauseam. groupuscule (talk) 23:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Taxila page

Hello, there's currently a discussion at Taxila talk page to determine consensus for changing that page to Ancient Taxila, and another for Taxila (modern). Please take a minute to include your input. Thanks!Willard84 (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Willard, what is the need to move the main article at Taxila now that you have created Taxila (modern)? A disambiguation page seems unnecessary considering the circumstances. groupuscule (talk) 05:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Rhacotis

Hello! Your submission of Rhacotis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. There is a link to Heliopolis, a disambiguation page, that needs to be fixed, and QPQ needs to be done. Daß Wölf 21:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the review; I have resolved the ambiguity of Heliopolis and hope to complete my review soon. (I think my comments escaped the nominator's notice; I was not so considerate as to leave a talk page message.) Please let me know if you have other ideas about how else the article could be improved. Cheers, groupuscule (talk) 05:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort put into making that page, it was quite interesting! Just ping me when you're done with your review and we'll wrap this up. Daß Wölf 13:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK Owusu Afriyie Akoto

Thanks for the dyk review of Template:Did you know nominations/Owusu Afriyie Akoto. I have made some edits so please go through and offer your opinion. Thanks.CrossTemple Jay 15:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

reviewing

Hi I am new to Misplaced Pages, so forgive me if this is not the correct place to ask for help. I recently created an article for David Benac, but it needs reviewing. Any help would certainly be appreciated. It is wonderful that you offer your time. Thanks Nicool9 (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)Nicool9

Astronomica FAN

Hi Groupuscule, I hope you're doing well! I just submitted the Astronomica article for FAN here. Since you provided a very thorough peer-review of it, I was hoping that you might be able to drop by and leave a few comments/suggestions? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 15:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

OK, I think it looks great, and I went there to say so. I was going to object to the new translation of ignorantissimus omnium viventium but having seen Seadowns's explanation I can understand the rationale. Basically I'm running out of things to complain about. groupuscule (talk) 02:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Hi, groupuscule. I want to award you this barnstar for going out of your way with the recent DYK review of Eugenio Minvielle Lagos. Thank you your responsiveness and contributions, your work is an example for all of us! I hope we cross paths again in the future. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:39, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I enjoyed meeting you also. Do you sometimes work on translations between en.wikipedia and es.wikipedia? groupuscule (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

• Rarely. I'm pretty busy finishing a series/topic on a major Mexican crime group. And once I'm done with that, I'll move on to the next one and so forth. When I used to do articles out of the blue, I would often translate them to Spanish. However, I didn't have a fun experience with some members of the community over there, so I'm almost fully retired from Spanish Misplaced Pages right now. Finishing what I want to write here will probably take me years. Ideally, after that, I would translate everything into Spanish (the main reason why I write in English is because it can be easily translated to many other languages, including Spanish, by other editors). MX (✉ • ✎) 15:50, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

N-D du Taur

Well, Groupuscule, I looked at the stuff you linked for me about consolidating references, and my eyes glazed over about three points in. It occurs to me that there's nothing to stop you from improving the article by taking care of that since you're clearly more tech savvy than me. What do you think? Awien (talk) 12:43, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Awien, I will happily take a crack at it, sometime over the weekend. groupuscule (talk) 16:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Génial! Awien (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for ABC (Cuba)

On 2 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article ABC (Cuba), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a middle-class terrorist organization known as el ABC successfully lobbied for two cabinet positions in the 1933 provisional government of Cuba? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/ABC (Cuba). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ABC (Cuba)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGUF2jBWdg For your enjoyment... Gandydancer (talk) 16:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Monsanto public relations activities for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Monsanto public relations activities is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Monsanto public relations activities until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring on Sockpuppet_(Internet)

I noticed you're attempting to edit war content back in at Sockpuppet_(Internet). Please remember that edit warring is a violation of WP:EW policy, especially since one of the expectations of the 1RR restriction discussed at ArbCom you've been alerted to is that editors are not supposed to WP:GAME the restriction by reverting their own new content back in without discussion after it was initially removed. Please undo your revert as you are already on extremely thin ice in this topic. This is as much additional warning as I'm going to give as you've been around enough to know better. Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC)