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Personal attack

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

Regarding this diff summary of yours:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AKoenraad_Elst&diff=81201566&oldid=81199663

Hkelkar 13:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think now it is time to end this little joke. YOU made personnal attacks by accusing me of unsubstantied things. BTW, I'm still waiting your quotations. TwoHorned 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Show me which of my statements were "personal attacks". All my comments were on content, not contributor. Per the rule of WP:NPA that is not a personal attack. You explicitly called me a "bozo". That's an attack against me. You persisted even after I warned you. I give you one chance to apologize before I report you.Hkelkar 15:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is your personnal attack, as it appeared in :

"By mentioning "neoconservative", his political leanings, instead of the details of his qualifications, you are making a false characterization of Pipes. His political beliefs are separate from his scholastic abilities.If you continue to violate WP:BLP in this manner and make the "neocon" anti-semitic canard (you actually mean "Jew", right?) against Pipes then it is grounds for reporting in BLP noticebaard.Hkelkar 12:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)"

-1 This attack is false, not based on any content (you still haven't substantiated this stupid and pathetic accusation).

-2 This attack is pure forgery, total invention and not based on any content : it is an extremely grave accusation, unjustified. Saying that Pipes is a neoconservative first instead of a scholar is not quite a proof of antisemistism, and Misplaced Pages introduces Pipes exactly like that.

-3 Your pityfull "warning" is not very impressive: not only you won't get any excuse from me, but I'm still waiting the quotations I asked. Given the gravity of your accusation, you'd be better of answering, believe me. TwoHorned 17:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Suggesting an anti-semitic bias on your part is not a personal attack. I did not call you an "anti-semite".A person can have an unconscious anti-semitic bias and not be an anti-semite. An anti-semite is a person who has a conscious bias against Jews.It is posible for a non-bigot to have a bigoted bias through media exposure, propaganda exposure (there is a LOT of anti-semitic propaganda on the internet, launched by Neo-Nazis, Palestinians,other Muslims, leftist liberals ie New anti-Semitism etc.) and cultural connections. I did not make a disparaging statement against you. You, however, addressed me in the pejorative, a clear personal attack. You continue to be incivil in your posts. If you persist, I will take this to ANB.

What quotations are you talking about exactly? Please elaborate.Hkelkar 18:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

What quotations ? Refer to my claim on . Suggesting anti-semitic bias IS personal attack, referred to under the term Accusatory comments in the Misplaced Pages definition of personal attacks. Your nauseating explanations using subconsciousness have no value: you can accuse everyone of everything without any proof with such concepts. I repeat: you'd be better of answering my demand in , since what you have done against me is not just personal attack, but something that can go much farther. TwoHorned 18:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

You made the statement "neocon" in the header of the article talk page Talk:Koenraad Elst#Controversies about Elst's links with the neocons and the extreme right, as well as several times in the conversation. The term "neocon" is a pejorative for neoconservatives generally regarded as an insult and with connotations of an ethnic slur as, historically, anti-semites have used it to make accusations of neoconservatism being "dominated by Jews", "controlled by Jews" or "espousing dual loyalty to Israel" etc. They try to justify this by using the fact that the founder of the neoconservative political institution, Irving Kristol, was Jewish and neoconservatism is a foreign policy matter in the USA.That, together with the traditional anti-semitic canard of "dual loyalty" leads the accusations to an appearence of credibility in left wing circles.Bear in mind that even critics of neoconservatism on wikipedia do not use this pejorative to refer to them, Thus, I was concerned as to whether your obvious opposition to neoconservatism and you (falsely) associating it with the far right was the result of a mainstream political opinion bolstered by falsifications and rhetoric (which is a poor use of wikipedia discussion pages, but not against wikipedia policy) or a hidden anti-semitic bias (which would be a very serious matter). There are ways to establish the background behind your opinions and, if it turns out that you do not, point of fact, have an anti-semitic bias but are merely ignorant of the truth concerning the neoconservative movement, then I will apologize to you.Hkelkar 20:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This is becoming more and more hilarious. Your try to wash out your insults is nothing that pure forgery. The term "neocon" is nothing else but an abbreviation of "neoconservative", used in a pejorative way, that may be, but in a usual political sense only, and it is not intended to be particularly anti-semitic. If you try to tag everyone one earth that used the term "neocon" as an antisemite, then, well, you've got quite some wok to do. It is, on the contrary, your obsession to insult people that do not share your views as "anti-semitic" that is quite revealing about your psychological bias. Everywhere in the mainstream media, and also in Misplaced Pages discussions, the term neocon is used by people that oppose to the neoconservative movement. And these people, you know, may be perfectly aware and as learned as you pretend to be about the political and ideological warfare concerning the neoconservatives. I don't give a damn about your apologies and you will never get any apology from me. But again, I am still waiting your precise quotations from me proving that I said anything about the neocons and the jews. Come' on, I'm still waiting, but I will not wait for too long. TwoHorned 20:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)