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NITOUR building

Hi Rochelimit, Thanks for your attention. The source is the lost Fermont-Cuypers archive I did discover recently. I am writing a book now about the the works of Ed.Cuypers and Fermont-Cuypers between 1897-1927 in Indonesia and the works of the Fermont-Cuypers office realised between 1927-1957. The name of the building is not Singerbuilding but NITOUR. The opening was indeed in 1938. Others sources: Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad 27 juli 1934 Best Regards, Obbe Norbruis Amsterdam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obbe h. norbruis (talk • contribs) 16:16, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Rochelimit. Let's continue the conversation here. You can reply here and I can reply as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
There is a slight problem in the page which would require a merge of history and then a move. It will take some time to fix though as I need to first look at how to do the histmerge and move and then request an admin to do it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:22, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, would be nice to be helped on moving the page Wayang Kulit Indonesia into its proper name, just Wayang kulit. I'm planning to synchronize the page with the id.wiki article for wayang kulit, which is readily available.--Rochelimit (talk) 09:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks! So happy with the kind words :) @Insertcleverphrasehere: --Rochelimit (talk) 17:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: "ask someone else to do it"

When I wrote this, I didn't mean for you to get your friends off-wiki to come and help you copy-edit, which it seems quite likely you did given that three new accounts showed up and started proof-reading your work within 24 hours of me writing that edit summary. (This is also suspect, but took place before that edit summary so is probably unrelated.)

Please use on-wiki means like the Guild of Copy Editors, as it is more transparent; asking off-wiki friends and relatives to help you with on-wiki problems gives the appearance of meat-puppetry and is generally discouraged by the community. If you were only using English Misplaced Pages for WAM and were only trying to hit the four-article postcard mark that would be one thing (full disclosure: this was exactly what I did last year on French Misplaced Pages; I asked my mother, a French teacher, to look over my work, but explicitly told her not to edit the articles directly), but if you are trying to get the "prize" for the most articles created, and give the impression of engaging in off-wiki canvassing to do it, that can be problematic.

I'm messaging you here rather than opening an SPI because I genuinely believe this was a good-faith misunderstanding, and would appreciate your recognizing that this is not a personal attack or the like, but sincere advice (I say this because roughly 30% of the time I offer such advice it gets taken the wrong way).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: I didn't ask three "friends" to proof read. Just ask them, have no idea who they are but they're certainly very helpful (I better thank them now). Maybe they appear because of your tags(?) so I thank you for your reminders. After all the spirit of Misplaced Pages is to improve a work together in a good, proactive, friendly, and helping community. I truly appreciate all your reviews, although some of your words can be a little hurtful (yes I read them). A little kinder words should do the trick (and should certainly help reduce that roughly 30% of yours)--Rochelimit (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Them appearing on the articles because I tagged the articles would make sense, if they had prior edit histories and were regular Misplaced Pages copy editors, but they aren't. They are all brand new accounts -- so new that as of my writing the above they didn't even have user talk pages. I'll take your word that you don't know them, but I will not apologize for being suspicious because ... well, most good-faith Wikipedians would be given the suspicious circumstances.
I apologize if my words were hurtful. The reason parameters in my maintenance tags were meant, as something to appear in Misplaced Pages's voice in the main space, to be as neutral as possible, so I guess you're talking about edit summaries? Don't blank maintenance tags and you can avoid people reverting you with edit summaries like "Stop it". I have no idea what you mean by "should certainly help reduce that roughly 30% of yours".
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
You are allowed to be suspicious. However I recommend to have good faith because those assumptions of "3 friends" or "ask someone else", plus making that assumption as a title in my talkpage, what the..!? *head smack.--Rochelimit (talk) 04:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, assuming the above is a good-faith misunderstanding and not your deliberately feigning ignorance for whatever reason, your English is apparently not as good as I initially thought. The title of this thread is a quotation from my edit summary, and what I meant was that even though I had told you to "ask someone else" to do the copy-editing, I had meant for you to ask someone else on-wiki. There's no "assumption" of bad faith here -- I ask you to find someone else to do the copy-editing, and then within 24 hours three separate new accounts mysteriously show up and start working on your articles: most Wikipedians who notice somehing like that would immediately open an SPI, but I actually took the friendlier approach of asking you directly and taking your word for it when you said it was just a string of bizarre coincidences. Note that even though I said I am willing to take your qord for it in the spirit of camaraderie, most CU-enabled users would readily accept a request to check if you and those other four accounts geolocate to the same region if I presented the above evidence to them, so if I were you I wouldn't push my patience with sarcastic attacks like the above. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: Oh, since your grammar is much better. Maybe you could help me please? :) --Rochelimit (talk) 03:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I might as well ask you why aren't helping me do better than you in the WAM editathon.
Your being from an Asian country gives you an inherent advantage when it comes to shoehorning articles about your own culture into the WAM parameters, with my only advantage being that I'm a native English speaker. Would I be right in assuming none of your articles would qualify if you submitted them in your native language? The requirements that articles be properly copyedited and not be machine-translated assume people will do what you are doing and write articles on their own cultures in foreign languages, so I have no problem with what you are doing in theory, but you've got to be willing to do the leg-work yourself.
It's clear that, unlike some editors, you are at least capable of doing said leg-work, since most of the grammatical/spelling/other errors I've noticed are things you got right elsewhere. So your not doing so makes it really look like you are sacrificing quality (even the minimal quality standards of the WAM rules) in favour of quantity, which gives you an unfair advantage over those of us who aim for both.
All that being said, I'd be happy to copy-edit your articles once the editathon has ended and it no longer runs counter to my interests to fix them.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I asked because seems like you have the time and speed (since you are able to investigate history of others' articles and all) unlike me who is really busy with my 8-to-6 routine like seriously busy these days plus have to slowly switch to English mode at night to wrote articles, but noted.--Rochelimit (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't have that much free time. I set aside a certain amount of time to building Misplaced Pages, and preemptively girded myself for spending more time on it this month because of WAM. And regardless of the month I'd much rather spend my time writing articles than dealing with drahms like this, so I would like to politely ask you, one more time, to stop removing maintenance templates (or the "reason=" parameters thereof) and stop submitting articles to WAM that contain very obvious grammatical errors that you clearly know are grammatical errors and only made them because you were rushing and being sloppy. As I said above, I'll happily help you fix the problems with the articles once I don't have to worry about my copy-editing work inadvertently helping you steal the top spot in the WAM rankings from me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Noted and noted.--Rochelimit (talk) 06:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

blacks

they arent human — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:586:200:8F97:D97B:27EF:F1D0:8295 (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Rochelimit, could you explain why you restored the above racist trolling? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Dr. Tajuddin Millatmal

Dr Tajuddin Millatmal was born in Nangarhar, Afghanistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amins s (talk • contribs) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yOU ARE THE STUPID pERSON I HAVE EVR MET — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.72.2 (talk) 21:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

WHY I DIE

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tava mama

tau galva sparde manes ten nebuvo as teve suradau ir supisau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.57.170.171 (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, how are you? Per ], "See also" comes above "References", perhaps you may have a look. Please let me know if you have question(s). --Tito Dutta (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Very clear. Thanks for explaining!--Rochelimit (talk) 05:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Verifiability

Hey, I was just looking over a few of your articles, and I noticed some serious problems with Ayudha katti, including text lifted straight from an antique collector's website, and said content falsely attributed to a different source.

Now, the former problem is generally treated as the more serious on Misplaced Pages (it can lead to whole articles being deleted), and definitely needs to be addressed, but it's the latter that I'm a little more concerned about here. I've encountered a lot of new editors who have trouble grasping that it is problematic to attribute content to the wrong source as long as it can be attributed to some source, so I came here to ask you if you understand this principle.

Do you?

Additionally, the only reason I was able to identify this problem was because this one article happens to be heavily reliant on a free online source that was linked to from the article, but most of the articles I've read are based on offline sources to which I don't have access, and many of them are in Dutch (a language in which I am not proficient enough to falsify encyclopedic content) or Indonesian (a language about which I know nothing). Providing accurate translations of factual claims from foreign-language sources is not a copyright violation if you cite those sources (they own the words, but you are not stealing their words), but if you cite the wrong sources, as you did here, that is a problem. I would ask that you go back and check that your offline sources actually verify the content attributed to them inline, rather than most of the content being in some way verified by at least one of the sources cited somewhere in the article.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning. I'll check it in 13 hours time, Monday's coming.--Rochelimit (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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First sockpuppetry accusation wth

I feel so upset. This is not the Misplaced Pages I know. This is tackling each other in an uncollaborative manner. This is a bad faith. Misplaced Pages should all about collaborative improvement of articles, and not about pinpointing and highlghting mistakes.--Rochelimit (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what the second half of the above is referring to, but for what it's worth, I said you were either socking or getting meatpuppets to help you get the top spot in the WAM editathon. This is the same thing I said three weeks ago, so whatever it is it's not your first (that would have been when I did the same thing last month).
All that said, can you give me any hints on who you think might be trying to set you up? I don't think you would have created more sock accounts while the SPI was open; you'd need to be a complete moron to do that. On this talk page I see one racist troll, one troll who showed up just to insult you, and two or three more posting apparently nonsense messages, one in a language your user page doesn't imply you know.
Any idea who they might be?
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)