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Talk Page Archive 1: September 17th to December 31st 2005

Talk Page Archive 2: January 1st to April 30th 2006

Re: Abraham Lincoln

Actually, most of what I entered the RFC for focussed on the Talk: page. Take a look at Talk:Abraham Lincoln/archive3 and you'll see what I was talking about. And by the way, the instructions for article RFCs say explicitly not to sign them, for some reason or another. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 12:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Guess who

I looked at the change you pointed out and it doesn't look like it was a Johnski sock. --Gene_poole 03:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh!

Yeah, I spend much more time here (especially on the Ido Misplaced Pages and Wiktionary) than on Dave's. One of the reasons why I like it here is that if something is missing in one language I can usually find it in another. You'll note though that a lot of the languages are related to each other - basic Swedish and Danish knowledge pretty much comes along with Norwegian, and I get a 2 rating in Esperanto even though I've never studied it because Ido is a reformed version of it and you can make out 80% of one from knowing the other. What's your username on Dave's? Mithridates 14:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Oregon election, 2005

Hi David,

Thanks for your update.

I think it's important to keep the wiki page an accurate record of what happened, so I will revert or modify some of your changes.

The page is dated 2006, and thus encompasses both May and November elections. In several years, I'd like it to be a resource for people to look back at, and see the progression of events. I am not sure I know the best way to do that, but I'll take a shot. I'm hoping you have more thoughts to contribute! Now is when it gets fun.

-Pete 10:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:WPOR - Politicians

Thanks for being a part of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Oregon - it's so awesome to have so many people on board (especially a fellow politics aficionado).

One thing I think you might be able to do is to help us transition our pictures from fair use images to pictures with free licenses, such as the GFDL or an appropriate Creative Commons license. I've noticed that most all of the pictures of Oregon politicians are fair use promotional photos, and this will ding us when we attempt to improve those articles to Featured Article status.

Can you work on obtaining good free pictures? You can either take these photos yourself or you can find pictures and ask the copyright holder if they'll agree to license them under the GFDL or a Creative Commons license. It's important to keep in mind Misplaced Pages doesn't accept non-commercial or educational use only pictures. You can see a full list of options at WP:ICT. the iBook of the Revolution 20:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Dominion of Melchizedek

Hello again. The article has just been unprotected. Let's see how long it takes Johnski to find out :-) --Centauri 22:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I think what you're doing is good - after all, they keep going on about people not quoting things properly, so the more detail we can include about the frauds they've conducted the better. --Gene_poole 12:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I see what you mean. I'll keep an eye out. --Centauri 22:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like he's at it again. --Centauri 23:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Danger Will Robinson! He's definitely back - Today he used his Whatsupdoc sock to vandalise List of micronations. Notice his sneaky DOM comment on the talk page as well. --Centauri 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerning User:217.180.78.33

Thanks for the warning, but I take personal attacks and the like in stride (comes with being on RC-patrol and implementing blocks), and there is always someone on the lookout for vandalism. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar 13:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Re:2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

Thanks for the intervention on the page. I recently posted about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Clarification_on_NPOV

The page needs admin attention, needs cool down and needs intervention. Is ridiculous indeed!

--Cerejota 13:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit Warring 2006 Arab-Isreal Conflict

Please note that I have put a comment on the talk page. I'm not taking anyone side, but am sick of seeing the edit war. The page has already been semi-protected. If this edit war continues I will ask an admin for full protection of the page. You guys need to discuss stuff on the talk page and start following the rules of Misplaced Pages. Davidpdx 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not part of any edit war, and have only made a couple of minor grammatical corrections to the page. Please check who you send warnings to before blanket-issuing them to anyone who edits a page. — Nicholas (reply) @ 14:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case,why were you readding information that was getting deleted. Yes, you did not have very many edits,but you were and are part of a content war going on in the article I mentioned. Therefore it does have relevency. Davidpdx 14:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I assert that I am unaware of any edit war going on, nor do I know what information I added that "was getting deleted". I just added some < small> tags to the casualty list on the right, and corrected a few errors in the page's English. I didn't add any new content, because have no new content to add! — Nicholas (reply) @ 14:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Iran POV

Because I haven't read the entire article yet or looked at the history, I can't really tell you whether the edit is POV or not. What I can tell you is that all claims should be based on verifiable sources and properly cited. The claim that the IP address removed was not cited. In addition, this might also be of interest. Thanks for the note! Flcelloguy (A note?) 14:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh What?

Excuse me, but who are you to tell me to stop? I have seen continuous violations of Misplaced Pages regulations on this article, as I have been following it since the beginning of the conflict. My ongoing attempts to make this an informational, NPOV and encyclopedic article have been met by constant vandalism. I have remained neutral despite my nationality (Israeli), and have edited parts of the article which were clearly pro-Israeli as well. It is a well known fact that there is constant vandalism on this article (unfortunately, mostly by anti-Israeli/anti-Jewish writers). Please go attack the vandals, instead of those who actually try to contribute. Thank you. Tweekerd 14:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I can attest that while the page is in a sorry state, this user is misrepresenting his/her actions and edits, and is indeed a major contributor to the loss of quality and POV status of the page. Furthermore, I cannot possibly belive this user is making a claim as to the origin of vandalic activity "being mostly by anti-Israeli/anti-Jewish writers". You cannot verify either way, althought I can say that there have been egrerious and batant vandalisms by both sides of the POV.--Cerejota 14:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Galbijim Wiki

Hello there...umm what's "Dave's ESL"? I searched for it on Google and it turned up something totally unrelated so perhaps that's not it (or maybe that site is related but I still don't know what it is) -- KittySaturn 06:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know him, I just saw his message on the notice board ^_^ -- KittySaturn 09:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

david wu

new discussion on david wu Talk:David Wu--Bonafide.hustla 07:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Just posted a comment on David Wu's talkpage in the middle of my vacation Also can you please take a look at User:Jiang userpage and talkpage. The images show he is deeply anti-Taiwanese and pro-Chinese invasion against Taiwan. (Note one of them says Taiwan=shame) It kinda explains his motives. (not making assumptions here) but his edits speak for themselves. Thanks--Bonafide.hustla 02:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Some are in Chinese but the Taiwan=shame image on his "talkpage" is very conspicuous and it is in English. The image on his userpage says Dalai Lama owns slave, which is also in English, it's in smaller letters tho. Also I think this comment by Jiang ] is very unhelpful.(he will haunt wiki forever?? what's his motives?? I know it's prolly a joke but wow, we're trying to get serious work done)--Bonafide.hustla 02:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

sure sounds good.--Bonafide.hustla 03:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

NOticed your comment on Alec's page. I'm willing to support the edit with no nationality mentioned since my only motive is to maintain NPOV. I don't know about Jiang though. And he's an admin, but you can try.--Bonafide.hustla 06:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

As of now, I think we should delete all ethnicity categories and contents altogether. It doesn't matter anyway. Yup, Jiang definitely is an admin. If you want to file a complaint, that's great. He's been doing a lot of pov stuff for a very long time.--Bonafide.hustla 07:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for editing. And you can file a commplaint against Jiang, I got your back.--Bonafide.hustla 07:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I for one don't much care what's on a page while a NPOV dispute is ongoing, so long as the NPOV tag there to alert readers to the fact that the page is under construction. Both, neither, either one-- it doesn't much matter. I just put the new "both" version up there because it was the most convenient way to show it to everyone. But go visit the talk page-- I've got questions for you --Alecmconroy 07:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

LOl, I can barely think right now 'cause I'm so tired and I'm suppose to be on break. But anyway, I guess I just gotta check out the edit Alec made tomorrow or later. If it's specific enough (ie describing the complicating situation of Wu's ethnicity) then I'll have to live with it 'cause I mean wiki is an encyclopedia so presenting info. in a way that is unbiased is the most important element, if Alec achieved that, I'm thrilled. As for Jiang, I really don't think he's gonna promise not to mess with the article. Even if he does, this article is only one out of like 100 articles he is active on. Miraculously, on the same subject, so the issue is still there. I doubt if you'll have time to look into ALL that tho. But anyway, even if he does agree, I still think you should file a complaint that details his abuse of admin power.--Bonafide.hustla 08:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Elizabeth Furse

I noticed that the article I created on former U.S. Congresswoman Elizabeth Furse is listed in the "Articles to Expand" section of your User Page. I was wondering if you would be willing to provide suggestions on what needs to be expanded in the article. --TommyBoy 03:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for following up with me. I just happened to notice her inclusion in your list by way of the "what links here" tab in the article. --TommyBoy 05:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Email address

You should go to "My Preferences" and add your email address, so that people can contact you through email, as in cases like this where they want to ask you things unrelated to Misplaced Pages. Things like: I noticed you edited the Dave Frohmeyer pages-- would I be correct in assuming you were a Duck? --Alecmconroy 08:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that. I'm just really protective of my email address. And heck no I'm a Viking. I just like editing Oregon political stuff. Davidpdx 08:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:David Wu

If you can't contribute something to this conversation please don't post on this talk page. What you are doing could be considered trolling and is disruptive. I've asked you once to stop, if you persist I will be reporting you to an admin. Davidpdx 00:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Davidpdx, how is my comment on Talk:David Wu considered "trolling" and "disruptive"? What Bonafide.hustla (talk · contribs) is claiming is clearly original research on his part and it is not allowed. And for the record, Bonafide.hustla (talk · contribs) has been mass POV pushing on many Taiwan/China articles. See all his contributions for evidence. I am clearly trying to contribute positively on Talk:David Wu. Please don't label opinions you don't agree with as "trolling" and "disruptive". Please reply here, I would like to hear your reasoning on this. Thanks. --RevolverOcelotX 01:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You are only out to accuse him of things that he is clearly not doing including using origional research when he clearly isn't. Your commments have been disruptive and have not contributed anything to what has transpired on the talk page. If you want to contribute something then fine. In addition, looking at your talk page, you have also been accused of POV pushing and banned for your behavior so you have little room to talk. As I said, if you continue I'll have a discussion with an admin. Discussion closed. Davidpdx 01:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, I really don't think we're making so much compromise by going with the current version since Jiang shows no indication/make no promise of leaving the article alone even though all others did on the ground that Jiang makes a promise. My guess is he'll revert it back again once you leave wikipedia (unless you never leave). Btw are you gonna file an abuse of admin power against Jiang? Since his attitude on that talkpage was clearly biased.--Bonafide.hustla 04:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

user page

Do you want me to do to your user page what you have done to mine? Whatsupdoc 02:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like an empty threat to me. Davidpdx 08:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Whatsupdoc vandal

You're on my watchlist. Surely the above threat is enough to get him hard-banned? --Centauri 08:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Blue Oregon etc.

Hi David, thanks for saying hello. Looks like you've been doing some good Wiki work - I'm especially intrigued by your project to document important ballot measures, and will try to assist with that. I bet BlueOregon and Misplaced Pages are a good way to stay in touch while away from Oregon?

-Pete 18:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wu

I remember that campaign well, and generally agree with your summation. I'll try to keep an eye on it. -Pete 05:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Good job revert those edits-- yeah, that's pretty straightfoward POV pushing. I'll try to keep a watch on the page in case there are further problem, but don't hesistate to tap me on the shoulder if a sustained dispute arises. In the mean time, keep up the good work. :) --Alecmconroy 07:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Assistance

Hi there. I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at Bell Witch. I'm having some difficulties with an editor who is trying to remove and/or aggressively devalue the only known skeptical analysis of this supposed "paranormal" phenomenon; basically it's a not-very-subtle attempt at insidious vandalism. A reasoned external opinion would be valued at this point. --Centauri 12:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I wish I could, but at this point I can't. I've scaled back the amount of time I spend on Misplaced Pages lately. The other thing is I know pretty much nil about that kind of a subject. For now, I hang around to watch the DoM article and a bunch of other political articles having to do with Oregon. Davidpdx 14:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. The fight against POV-pushers is a long and exhausting one :-) --Centauri 20:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ron Saxton

I think you were confused about my edit summary. I actually didn't remove the link, I added it back after someone else removed it. I wrote "rv, removing link" but I should have written "rv removed link". Sorry about that. --Liface 15:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Response

Dear Sir:

First of all, thank you for all you have done for Misplaced Pages; however, please do not give me a dissertation on how I can use this resource. I respect your work on the site, but having a link to a bias website about Saxton is not appropriate! Especially, when Kulongoski’s page has no such link. I believe you are fair 90% of the time, but I also believe that you lean left. I am going to be the counter of that. I wish that I had the time to put into Misplaced Pages that you do, but unfortunately I do not. I will stop taking the Saxton Watch off, but only out of respect to you. I am not some right-wing nut job, in fact I am registered (I), but you should take it off for your own good. It is unfair to him.

G

User:Galmiche

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User blanking userpage and political talk pages. --Liface 23:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Ron Saxton.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Ron Saxton.gif. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Misplaced Pages because of copyright law (see Misplaced Pages's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Misplaced Pages are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Jkelly 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

But we don't know who the copyright holder and licensing is for Image:Saxtonprimary2006.jpg either. There's no reason to think it is the work of the U.S. federal government. Jkelly 16:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

We need to know who owns the copyright on the images we republish. If it was the work of the federal government, it would be in the public domain, but there is no reason to believe that this photograph is a federal government work. Copyright might belong to the state government, it might belong to the subject of the photograph, or it might belong to the photographer who has licensed its use on the original website only. This is the kind of thing we need to know. Jkelly 17:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Expanding

Hey David!

I am relatively new to the Misplaced Pages World and I am interested in expanding some of the articles you have worked on. What are the priorities?

Election

Hello David,

I see you've given several vote recommendations, but I'm not among them. ;-) Out of curiosity, is there any specific reason? If not, would you mind taking a look at my election platform and telling me what you think? Thanks,--Eloquence* 07:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Bill Sizemore.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Bill Sizemore.gif. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Misplaced Pages because of copyright law (see Misplaced Pages's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Misplaced Pages are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}. If you have not already done so, please also include the source of the image. In many cases this will be the website where you found it.

Please specify the copyright information and source on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. 24.20.69.240 06:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Yo how's it going? You might remember me from the David Wu content dispute. Anyway, I was wondering if you can help me take appropriate action against admin User:Jiang (remember the guy whose talkpage has an image that says Taiwan=shame) who had again made a series of edits violating the NPOV policy on wikipedia. Thanks a lot.--Bonafide.hustla 05:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

BH, no I didn't unfortunately. Things here have gotten really hairy. My father-in-law is in the hospital and there is concern about North Korea's nuclear test. I essentially decided to just let it go since the article ended up citing him as both Taiwanese and Chinese. If he makes any push to change it, then I'd change my mind really fast though. Davidpdx 08:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

DoM

I've sprotected the page per the arbcom ruling. Mikkalai is an established editor and a good guy. I don't really pay much attention to categories, but I expect he has a rational basis for his change. If there are concerns, I'm sure you guys can work them out pretty easily. Tom Harrison 02:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

You call it "whitewashing" which is a joke to me, what I did , but I call what you are doing, "brainwashing". Hope you have a good day. 207.47.122.10 05:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)