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I believe I have shortened this down enough to put it back on the main page. I removed everything that didn't make any sense, didn't seem to fit with the topic, was redundent, or not NPOV. Much of this page makes no sense without the context of the original page, so we should work to get it merged. I tried to keep the spirit of the original work, but if the author ever does return to the scene of the crime, he may want to add back in a revised version of some of what I removed. Some of it seemed like it might be salvagable, but I didn't know where to begin. --captainManacles

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I have nominated this article for deletion although I can't create that page. The reason is because this article blatantly violates WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR. There is no credible mainstream scientific view either.59.92.56.83 04:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

These researches in Ayurveda have been done in the India. The Ayurveda science is belongs to India, so Westerners can not understand the soul of Ayurveda. There is many research programmes are being conducted in the best research centers in India about Ayurveda. Even recently Bhabha Atomic Energy Center, Bombay, India conducted research on TRIPHALA, which is an Ayurvedic medicines used since centuries, concluding that the medicine is well effective in diminishing of the cancer cells.

Ok, we'll let those claims stand for now, in the hope that it can be referenced in the future. I'm removing the whole bit on Electro-Tridosha-Graph. It's obvious that it's original research (see WP:NOR). A google search gives 5 results (violates WP:V), and the guy who claims to have invented it also added it to this article59.92.39.252 08:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Electro-tridosha-graphy technology information

Why the information regarding the Electro-tridosha-graphy is removed from the Research and Innovation page. The fact is that this is a high level technology, which is quantify the status of the Ayurvedic principles, which are round about over two hundred. By radial pulse examination the Tridohsa is very difficult to assess and can not be measured the persistence inside the body. Apart from the Tridosha, the technology quantify the Tridosha bhed, Sapta Dhatu, Malas, Oajas,Agni, Prakrati and many more. It also diagnose the diseases and a very cheap alternative of the whole body scanning.

The technologies are always useful for the entire world and for the sick huminity. The sick huminity will be after all take the benefits of the technology for hunderd thousands years to come in future.

user:Debbe 20 September 2006

If you would like to add this back into the article, what is required are sourced edits (everything must be cited from reliable newspapers, newspaper websites and/or peer-reviewed journals per WP:Reliable Sources). Look at the Triphala section, for instance, and how I cited newspapers and even a medical journal that PROVES that Triphala works. If you can do that for ETG, then great.Hkelkar 22:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• kindly brows the Ayurveda page section "Parial bibliography", in which the references of the news magazines and news paper is given. The newspaper and magazines have published the articles about ETG in Hindi Language. When new page of research and innovation is formed, before that the new page was with the main Ayurveda page and the ETG technology was on the main page for many months. The references are given at that time.

user:Debbe 22 September, 2006

These sources given are not credible and fail verifiability. (See WP:V). Further, Electro-tridosha-graphy is non-notable and not practised in hospitals. It also has no scientific standing, and has not been indepentely verified. It is also clearly original research (see WP:NOR). Please see Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Electro-tridosha-graphy 59.92.82.53 09:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Notble refs need to be provided like I did on Triphala.Hkelkar 16:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that notable and credible refs can be provided like the ones for triphala. I think that ETG is original research and should be removed on sight.59.92.53.159

Are you think that all the research work should be done in USA and western countries? The research work in relation to Ayurveda will be in India and where you expect for. Are you like that Ayurveda research work should be performed in any foreign land? The Electro-tridosha-graphy technology is purely Indian and Invented by an Indian Ayurvedic Physician Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai,MD, Cardiologist of Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh, India. The fact about the ETG research should be accepted by all. Unfortunetly westerners fail to understand the calibers of the Indians and they can not able to digest the research work, which was erliest think to be impossible. The Impossible is possible now. For your information, the Electro-tridosha-graphy Technology is undertaken by the Indian Government's proper agencies related to the development of the Ayurveda. If you accept it, well and good, if you discard it, you are lossing valuable information. It dose not matter whether the information about ETG will be existed on the Ayurveda pages or not. It is upto the learned editors. Regarding information removal from the main pages, the importancy of the Electrotridoshagraphy, will not minimises and will be always in better and greater position.

Debbe 01 October 2006

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll say it again. The bit on Electro-tridosha-graphy technology is original research, and must be excluded by wikipedia policy(WP:NOR). There is no credible or notable source (WP:RS) for Electro-tridosha-graphy technology and it has no scientific standing whatsoever. Please do not include this so called "technology" as it is against policy.59.92.47.124 14:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

English translation: Article published in Hindi Language, The Moral weekly newspaper, Kanpur, India : An Ayurvedic Invention - Electro-tridosha-graphy

The Indian system of medicine is considered to be about 5000 years old medical science. The complete Ayurveda is based on the basic principles like Tridosha, Tridosha-bhed, Sapta-Dhatu, Mala, Oaj, Agnibal etc.

To quantify the status of these principles, stages of Dosha presence in human body, radial pulse examination is the only way, which is known Nari Pareekshan . Pulse examnination is dependent upon the qualification and experience of the Ayurvedic physician. The process of Pulse examination and their results are experienced and concieved by the brain and mind, depending upon the capacity of the Ayurvedic physician, but cannot be seen physically.

How Ayurvedic physician accepts the state of the presence of the Tridosha, Tridosha-bheda,Sapta Dhatus, Mala etc himself and how they estimate the intesity of the dosha-dhatu-mala and how they express the intesity of these principles, this is not possible in evidence form. For example in modern medical science, as they talks of the "Evidence Based Medicine", i.e. Xrays,CT scan, MRI,ECG,Pathological examinations.

In the history of Ayurveda, probably this is the first time happens that after the invention of the Electrotridoshagraphy machine, with this technology all the basic principles of the Ayurveda is produced successfully in the evidenced based form.

It is believed that with the invention of this technology, Ayurveda, the Indian System of Medicine will proove its scientificity. The Ayurveda will be more scientific. The technology will open new doors for research in the field of the Ayurveda, Ayurveda basic principles, Ayurveda philosophy, Maulik Siddhanta and new innumerable concept in the Ayurveda research. At modern time, Ayurveda have a scientific tool and scientific approach with this technology.

Utility of the Technology

1- The ETG technology scans the whole body. It detects the most sick parts to the lesser sick parts of the human body. The technology is very cheap. The expences of the single examination is worth Rs. 10/=IC US dollar]

2- So many diseases / disease conditions are not tracable from Xrays, Ultrasound, Scans and other Pathological examinations. ETG traces these complaints.

3- Monitoring of the sick persons health are easily possible. The effects of the treatment, the effects of the medicines, the effects of the managements can be examined and monitered.

4- This technology is for the use of all medical sciences practitioners, physicians practicing in their diciplines i.e. Modern western medical practitioners, Yoga , naturecure, Unani, acupuncturist etc etc. The technology is very easy and simple and can be performed anywhere, any place, any time, any condition, in clinic, in hospital, in home. The technology is very easy and no need of any prior medications and preparations.

The technology is invented by Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai,Kanak Polytherapy Clinic and research center, 67/70, Bhusatoli Road, Kanpur.

Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai is showing the location of Pitta dosha for recording the tracings and Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai is showing the trace records with the Electro-tridosha-graphy machine including computer softwares]

English translation: article published in "The Moral" weekly newspaper: New invention in Ayurveda world : Reader's curiosity increases on Electro-tridosha-Graphy technology

Many curious reader's reactions about the invention of Electrotridoshagram technology have been recieved after the publication of the article in the 09 August 2005 issue. The curious readers have asked several questions regarding the ETG technology, which are common, uncommon, serious and very serious.

1- The development of the ETG technology came in existence slowly and gradually by the continuous efforts since 10 years to the present state.

2-The scientific presentation of this technology have been successfully done before the high level expert committee set up by the Department of Ayurveda , Ministry of Health and Family Welafre, Government of India, New Delhi on 23 December 2004.

3- The Institution set-up by the Government of India for Grass root innovation recognition, National Innovation Foundation, Ahamdabad, India accredited the technology as " extraordinary combination of Ayurevda and modern scientific technology", believing with the fact that the technology will be foolproof for the dianosis of the ailments.

4- The ETG technology is selected as competition entry for Asian Innovation Award 2005, Singapore and international "Global Entrepolis Singapore Award 2005.The competion is organised by the famous Hongkong newspaper The Wall Street Journal with Do-Jones inc.

Reply of some questions

Readers of The Moral is questioning that ETG technology is useful for the all practitioners and all physicians Modern western medicine practitioners, Ayurvedicians,Hakims, Naturopaths, Accupuncturist etc. can use the technique. On the other side the technology is specifically for the use of the Ayurveda and quantify Maulik siddhanta of Ayurveda and propagated that the technique is useful for the Ayurveda, there is controversy in the statements? Which two statement are correct?

In reply of the question, it is better to say that both the statements are correct. For recording the tracings, the whole body is divided in the 21 sectors mainly and few sectors in options, which are known additional sectors. In fact in this technology the modernisation is included and at one side the data obtained is analysed in view of Modern western medicine, at the other side the data is analysed in view of Ayurveda Dosha-dooshya-mala-oaj. Thus the Ayuveda physician have advatages of the disease dagnosis in both way.

The body is a single unit. The body cannot divided into the separate parts. The technology gives the indication of the Physiological basis of the diseases Pathological basis of the diseases Metabolic basis of diseases Psychological basis of diseases. All the four divisions are represented to Ayurveda.Which quantify the status of the seven doshas, 15 doshas kinds, Seven dhatus, three Malas, two oajas, four Agni etc etc.

For example, if in the tracings of the Vata and Pitta, the B wave is 4 e.v.,Ras dhatu is below 50 percent, Mans Dhatu is 160 percent, Pureesh, Mootra and Swed is below 50 percent, Oaj and complete Oaj are less than normal level. In ETG B wave signifies the Saman Vata and Ranjak Pitta.

This details signify the diagnosis according to Ayurveda is "Yakrat janit Vata-Paittik shotha" or "Vata-paittik yakrat shotha" and in the view of Allopathy Modern western medicine the disease condition will be "Hepatic Oedematous condition" or "Hepatic Edema."

One photograph, Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai is showing the paper stripe of the trace record with the ETG machine Letter of the reply from R.K. PRASAD, Private secretary to the President of India, july 4, 2005 to Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai, Kanak Polytherapy Clinic and Research Center, 67/70, Bhusatoli Road, Kanpur-208001]

English translation: article published in The Moral weekly newspaper: New invention in the Ayurveda world : Possibility of the testing of Ayurvedic Bhasma and Mercury-sulphur combination medicines by Electro-tridosha-gram technology

The Ayurvedic Research is being published since last two issues of The Moral newspaper. A large number of the readers of the newspaper from the different states all over India welcommed the research work done by Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai of Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh. Many questions were asked for.

1- The research work is carried with the financial help from the patients and donations from the patient's family and the admirer of the Ayurveda. Therefore it is decided by the inventor Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai that the Electrotridoshagram technology should be dedicated to the entire community of the patients, all over the globe. Dr. D.B.Bajpai is dedicating his entire ETG research work to the patients.

2- This is known to be all concerned to Ayurveda that in future Ayurveda should be ready to face the possible challenges standed by the Modern Western Medicine. The target is straightly towards the Ayurveda.Foreign Multinational companies are in mal-practices to sell their products in India. They are using mal-tactices to sell their products by hooks and crooks. These multinationals directly or indirectly is advertising that Ayurvedic medicines are containing toxic materials and herbs and those will use these medicines, they will be poisoned and their body parts will hurt by using these Ayurvedic medicines. By using Ayurvedic Bhasma and Mercury-sulphur based medicines causes to fail kidney and liver and many Vital Parts of the body is affected. This type of the news published and broadcasted by the media, now a days the American, British, Canadian, German, Francicy governemt banned on the use of Ayurvedic medicines in their respective countries.

This is a direct attack to defame, on the 5000 years old timely developped Indian system of medicine, Ayurveda and an insult of the Indian traditional medical system. The foreigners why forget that the development in the Modern western medicine is not very old and the progress which have in the Allopathy that is 40 and 50 years old. In Indian during the regime of Britishers, the overall British families taking the treatment of the Ayurveda which was provided to them by the King and Nawabs of the respective states by their Rajvaidya. At that time there is no complaints done by any Britishers to failure of Kidney or Liver damages.Years and years Britishers uses theses medicines. Why this propaganda against the Ayurveda is at this time?

3- However a famous Ayurvedic Medicine Arogyavardhini Bati has been tested by the Electrotridosha graphy technology on human body. In this Vati medicine the Mercury, sulphur, herbs , minerals, metals are used for the preparation. The medicine is tested on the patients of Hepatitis, Enlargement of Liver, Swelling of Liver, Gall Bladder inflammation and time to time monitored their health conditions. After testing this medicine on the human body, no side effects or adverse effects are not observed and patient safely got cure. All the body parts did not shown any abnormality.

4- The technology is not yet Patented, so that the details will be provided to the readers with limitations.

Analysis of some tracings

The tracings are collected from the Pitta-sthan. All patients operated their Gall-bladder.

the tracing is of the 40 years old lady, who operated her Gallbladder four years before. Ther trace line are not regular and in zigzag lines. D wave is not clear,A wave is absent, B wave is not upto the normal limit, C wave is turned sharply and Z wave is downward. The type of trace pattern shows swelling of the Liver. The Lady is suffering from Jaundice and Liver function is not normal. Downward Z wave is seen those patients who have operated their Gallbladder.

the tracing is the record of a 46 years old lady from Right sided pitta-sthan. The gallbladder is operated few years before. D wave is not normal, awaves are not WNL. Z wave is downward. The trace pattern shows swelling in Liver with operated bladder.

the trace record is of 55 years old lady. The gallbladder is operated. The pathophysiology of the Liver is present. Due to pathophysiology of liver, patient is suffering from the swelling of the wholebody but it is much more from epigastrium upto the both lower limbs. In ETG Z wave is significate the LOCHAK PITTA. The lady is weak eyesight and using spectacles. She is having ophthalmic problems and the white part of the eye is pale in color.

three Pitta-sthan tracings pattern with introductory lines Publication of the Letter: ref: NIF/P42UP31A0056, Dated: November, 02, 2004 to Dr. Desh Bandhu Bajpai, Kanak Polytherapy Clinic and Research Center, 67-70, Bhusatoli Road, Kanpur-208001, Uttar Pradesh, Phone no: 0512-2367773 from National Co-ordinator, National Innovation Foundation,Bunglow No. 1, Sattelite complex, Jodhapur Tekra, Premchand Nagar Road,Ahmedabad-380015, Gujarat, India, Phone: 91-79-2673 2095/2456 Fax:91-79-2673 1900 www.nifindia.org E-mail:info@nifindia.org]