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Towaco, New Jersey
Hello, this message is in regard to one of your recent edits. I reverted this addition because the information contained, and linked to, an address. I do not believe such material is permitted per WP:DOB. Akerans (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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(The?) Bronx
Hi Froid, You've wandered into a long-standing/winded ongoing debate about whether the article should be The Bronx or the Bronx. RFC on the talk page going on right now. You're other edits were great, but I think its best if you hold off changing The to the until the debate gets resolved. They may all need to be reverted, because IMHO, The will prevail. Bellagio99 (talk) 01:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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November 2010
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Self harm. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Jdrewitt (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Self-harm
Please listen to other people and stop readding the same section. Several usernames have reverted your edits, and one of them may block you for edit warring, even it's in good faith. Go to Talk:Self-harm and discuss with them why it's important to include pop culture references about self-harm. --John KB (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Formatting of disambiguation pages
Hello. I've reverted your edits to Apple (disambiguation), per WP:MOSDAB. --Mepolypse (talk) 08:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The Willy Wonka Candy Company and Laffy Taffy
You added sections of "in popular culture" references to these articles, yet both were unsourced and the entries didn't do much to improve an encyclopedic understanding of the articles' subjects, so I removed them. If you want to write about how a subject has been received by the media you should find some reliable sources that discuss the subject's reception and add a summary of this into the article, citing the source as a reference. Just listing everytime the subject has made an appearance in the media is original research and creates a cleanup headache down the line. ThemFromSpace 23:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
January 2011
Hello, I saw that you have been linking some common words. Please review WP:OVERLINK to see what links are of value. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps interested
Hi, you might be interested in checking out this article that I suggested and ErrantX started. Schenecker double murders.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
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Touhou Wiki
Just a heads up, but the touhou wiki has moved to http://touhouwiki.net . More info here: -- Master Bigode (Talk) (Contribs) 20:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Alphabetization on disambiguation pages
From a glance at your contributions, it appears you may be under the impression that disambiguation pages are supposed to be alphabetized as a rule. They're not. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
I came here to give you the same message: please do not alphabetize dab pages. The entries should usually be in order of importance, or in some other topical order (such as by birth year for people with the same name). It would be helpful if you would go through your contribution history and undo every edit where you have alphabetized dab pages.--Srleffler (talk) 03:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Oftentimes the content on the disambiguation pages is RANDOMLY ordered, with no discernible logical or order of importance. In such cases, Misplaced Pages appears to be unprofessional and sloppy! Such content should be ordered in some discernible, logical fashion, with a schema that is neither tacit nor random. You'll note that the work I did improves rather than detracts from the "dab" pages I edited. Froid 10:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, disambiguation pages are often sloppy and random, but not always. Many have been organized by people in accordance with the MOS's suggested logical criteria, and you appear to make no distinction in those cases, disrupting the logical and sanctioned order of entries in order to apply an order that is, at best, only modestly more usable than randomization. I disagree that your work is an improvement, at least in many cases, and I will feel free to revert such edits (that detract from the page) as long as they contradict the MOS guidelines. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- An example of your alphabetizing a page to make it less logical. Did you really find it so logically incoherent that a) the Substances section was near the top of the page because users who search for "lime" are probably more likely to be looking for the common building material than Limé, a French community of 187 people that isn't even called Lime? and b) that in the Substances section, it makes more sense to list the generic term first, followed by the more specific terms, rather than listing two specific terms and then the generic term and then another specific term? Perhaps you wouldn't be so convinced that alphabetization is the absolute optimum ordering system if you ever bothered to look at what systems were already in use. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Your condesending tone is less than professional, uncollegial, and unwarranted. So take a chill pill. If you'll note, the top of the "dab" page includes a contents table/index, which allows users to easily find the contents of interest. You haven't convinced me that my work hasn't improved the pages I've edited. On the other hand, you've done nothing to dispel the impression that many have about the less than favorable temperament of many Wikipedians. Froid 14:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- I would probably have used a friendlier tone if I'd been less cynical about the likelihood that you would re-consider your methods (or if you'd acknowledged my comment when I posted it a month ago). You're not a newbie; you've made thousands of edits in the last month alone, most of which seem to be doing the exact same thing. In my experience, people who edit like that tend to pay very little heed to suggestions that they change their patterns, no matter how courteously those suggestions are presented. Your lack of response to two concrete examples of how your editing style is irrational and damaging is strong enough affirmation of me that trying to discuss it with you is pointless. You like to alphabetize pages; you've rationalized in your head that this is a good thing; you're not going to discuss reasons that it may not be a good thing; if I come across a page that you've alphabetized or otherwise edited and I want to re-order it in order to improve it and bring it in line with guidelines, I'll feel free to do that. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Again with the 'tude! Methinks part of your issue is the need to feel validated. Froid 15:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Disorder in an encyclopedia, as I stated earlier, is unprofessional and sloppy. So if you choose to order things other than chronologically or alphabetically, it would be good to make explicit what the order is so users can easily find what they're seeking and so the order does NOT appear to be sloppy and random. Froid 15:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- The MOS, as I linked in my original comment, explicitly lays out the guidelines for ordering entries on a page. These guidelines are designed to make the most likely targets -- the topics that have dedicated articles and are most similar to the disambiguated term -- the most visible. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be searching for a town called Lime than a town called Limé; therefore, we put the town called Lime at the top. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be looking for a general discussion of the building material referred to as lime than for a specific variant such as hydraulic lime; therefore, we put the generic material at the top. If you disagree, then you should go to the MOS talk page and propose changing the guidelines to advise simply sorting everything alphabetically. (Also, you can continue making contrived remarks attempting to get my goat if you want, but I suggest you aim for something not quite so random. Yeah, my comment that I'm resigned to your ignoring me and continuing to make bad edits and I'll just fix them if I feel like it -- I sure am just begging you to validate me, aren't I? For your own sake I really hope you're not oblivious to the hypocrisy in making remarks like that one as you berate me for being rude and condescending.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- I hope my comments haven't deterred you from participating in Misplaced Pages. That was not my intention. Theoldsparkle (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your recent note. Would you please read my post of August 7 on Srleffler's User Talk page (here)? Froid 15:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- I hope my comments haven't deterred you from participating in Misplaced Pages. That was not my intention. Theoldsparkle (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- The MOS, as I linked in my original comment, explicitly lays out the guidelines for ordering entries on a page. These guidelines are designed to make the most likely targets -- the topics that have dedicated articles and are most similar to the disambiguated term -- the most visible. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be searching for a town called Lime than a town called Limé; therefore, we put the town called Lime at the top. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be looking for a general discussion of the building material referred to as lime than for a specific variant such as hydraulic lime; therefore, we put the generic material at the top. If you disagree, then you should go to the MOS talk page and propose changing the guidelines to advise simply sorting everything alphabetically. (Also, you can continue making contrived remarks attempting to get my goat if you want, but I suggest you aim for something not quite so random. Yeah, my comment that I'm resigned to your ignoring me and continuing to make bad edits and I'll just fix them if I feel like it -- I sure am just begging you to validate me, aren't I? For your own sake I really hope you're not oblivious to the hypocrisy in making remarks like that one as you berate me for being rude and condescending.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Disorder in an encyclopedia, as I stated earlier, is unprofessional and sloppy. So if you choose to order things other than chronologically or alphabetically, it would be good to make explicit what the order is so users can easily find what they're seeking and so the order does NOT appear to be sloppy and random. Froid 15:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Again with the 'tude! Methinks part of your issue is the need to feel validated. Froid 15:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- I would probably have used a friendlier tone if I'd been less cynical about the likelihood that you would re-consider your methods (or if you'd acknowledged my comment when I posted it a month ago). You're not a newbie; you've made thousands of edits in the last month alone, most of which seem to be doing the exact same thing. In my experience, people who edit like that tend to pay very little heed to suggestions that they change their patterns, no matter how courteously those suggestions are presented. Your lack of response to two concrete examples of how your editing style is irrational and damaging is strong enough affirmation of me that trying to discuss it with you is pointless. You like to alphabetize pages; you've rationalized in your head that this is a good thing; you're not going to discuss reasons that it may not be a good thing; if I come across a page that you've alphabetized or otherwise edited and I want to re-order it in order to improve it and bring it in line with guidelines, I'll feel free to do that. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Froid, even if the ordering on a page is random, alphabetization is not appropriate. The guidelines specify how entries on dab pages should be ordered. Your edits do not comply with this specification. Either put pages into the correct order, or leave the ordering alone. Do not arbitrarily alphabetize dab pages.--Srleffler (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Removal of red links from dab pages
Entries on dab pages are allowed to have two links if the primary one is red. In this case you removed the link to the title of a film (which was a red link). The red link is there because an article may eventually be created on that film. If this seems unlikely, then the whole entry should be deleted. See MOS:DABRL for info on red links on dab pages, and note that MOS:DABENTRY says "Each entry should have exactly one navigable (blue) link" (emphasis mine). An entry can have two links, as long as one of them is nonworking (red). The red link has to be to a viable article title.
Sorry to be raising another issue with you while the previous one is still being discussed. I'm not trying to pick on you. It's just that editors who enjoy doing large numbers of technical clean-up edits (e.g. to dab pages) can do a lot of damage very quickly if they are not aware of all the guidelines.--Srleffler (talk) 05:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, do I know you?
Hi,
Are you also under the name Kaigon sometimes? (other applications)
regards, CK Karcih (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
- Hello CK. No, I'm not. Best wishes, Froid. Froid 21:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A little advice
Hi. Just a reminder: if you're going to be adding information about people's ex-wives and divorces and such, you really should try to cite some sources. See WP:BLP. Thanks. Zagalejo^^^ 03:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Help with My Page
Hi. I am a student at Clemson University, and for my English class we have an assignment to edit a wikipedia page. I am working on National Outdoor Leadership School's wikipedia page. From the changes that I have made so far, could you give me suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcxc1234 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Merge discussion for BOHICA
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Page Six in "See Also" section of Page 6
Hi there,
I removed your link to Page Six in the "see also" section of Page 6. The "See also" section is normally used for listing related articles likely to be of relevance or interest to the article that precedes it.
The NY Post "Page Six" column/magazine is unrelated (i.e. it only required mentioning to clarify any potential confusion over the similar name), so a disambiguation "hatnote" is more appropriate. (There was already one in the article, so I left it in place).
Hope this helps, Ubcule (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Jon Roberts in Hollywood
I have reverted your edit adding Jon Roberts as a notable resident of Hollywood, Florida because the article about Jon Roberts has no mention of Hollywood, and the citation you placed on the entry was to an advertisement for his book. Please provide a reliable source for Jon Roberts' residency in Hollywood if you want to add him again. -- Donald Albury 20:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- Followed Donald Albury's good advice!
July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Misplaced Pages pages
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Spoilers in episode lists?
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Suicides in bridge articles
Greetings. While I appreciate the effort and research done on suicides, they are not appropriate for these articles. Copy-cat suicides can happen just to be included in such lists, and we really don't need that. From my point of view, no suicides are significant, except to their family and friends, and no names should be included. If people want to die this way, we can mention that fact, and maybe what's being done to make it harder to do, but going beyond that is not a good idea. My opinion only. - Denimadept (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, Denimadept - While those names have been publicly documented (e.g., in the citations I provided), publishing them in Misplaced Pages is an issue I certainly won't press, as I don't want to contribute in any way to encouraging copycats or to glorifying suicides. I agree with you, however, that it's a good idea to mention suicide-prevention efforts. I also think it's important to provide information or links within suicide bridge articles about how painful it is to die by jumping/falling off a bridge, as many news reports (as in the case of Tyler Clementi) merely cite drowning, bruising and blunt injuries (a practice which euphemizes the gory details and does nothing to dissuade potential jumpers). To whit, here's an excerpt and associated citation from Suicide_of_Tyler_Clementi#Suicide: "The medical examiner's autopsy report cites drowning as the cause of death, and notes blunt impact injuries to his torso." In response, I added to the following article to the Tyler Clementi article's External links section: John Koopman, Chronicle Staff Writer (2 November 2005). "No easy death: Suicide by bridge (Part 4 of a 7-part series)". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 29 July 2012.
{{cite news}}: More than one of|website=and|journal=specified (help) - Froid 10:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, Denimadept - While those names have been publicly documented (e.g., in the citations I provided), publishing them in Misplaced Pages is an issue I certainly won't press, as I don't want to contribute in any way to encouraging copycats or to glorifying suicides. I agree with you, however, that it's a good idea to mention suicide-prevention efforts. I also think it's important to provide information or links within suicide bridge articles about how painful it is to die by jumping/falling off a bridge, as many news reports (as in the case of Tyler Clementi) merely cite drowning, bruising and blunt injuries (a practice which euphemizes the gory details and does nothing to dissuade potential jumpers). To whit, here's an excerpt and associated citation from Suicide_of_Tyler_Clementi#Suicide: "The medical examiner's autopsy report cites drowning as the cause of death, and notes blunt impact injuries to his torso." In response, I added to the following article to the Tyler Clementi article's External links section: John Koopman, Chronicle Staff Writer (2 November 2005). "No easy death: Suicide by bridge (Part 4 of a 7-part series)". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 29 July 2012.
- There is more discussion in Talk:The Bridge (2006 film). I returned Gene-section googletranslated it from es-wiki, before noticing it has been there earlier; that i find out from redirect of Gene Sprague. I feel Gene-section is important part of the article. Have anyone heard of copycats making their leape same way asking someone to film it?--RicHard-59 (talk) 09:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, Richard - Regarding your copycats inquiry: I am unaware of any such exact case. However, two somewhat-related instances have been publicized. One (I can't recall where I read about it) is the case of a professional Hollywood stunt man, who jumped from the bridge in connection with a feature film that scripted that action. The other instance, posted at Golden_Gate_Bridge#Suicides, was a really stupid stunt on the part of Windsor High School student Luhe "Otter" Vilagomez, who on March 10, 2011 sought to impress his schoolmates by jumping on a dare. Fortunately, he survived and fared better than most jumpers, including those who've survived. Also fortunately, police have recommended imposing criminal charges for that stunt. TO DO LIST: find out what charges were actually imposed and include that info in the article. - Froid 10:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- I understand the names are in the cited sources. I'm glad we agree on this. It's one thing for a newspaper to document a death for one day, just after it happened, but given that WP keeps such stuff up for an indefinite time, I'm glad we can agree to leave it out. If people want the details, they're welcome to check the cites. :-/ The more substantial "suicides" section at the GGB article seems appropriate. I'm not a big fan of such, but I don't have to be: it's part of reality and these people didn't ask me for permission. - Denimadept (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
References
- "NJ Gov. Wonders How Rutgers 'Spies' Can Sleep at Night After Tyler Clementi's Suicide". ABC World News with Diane Sawyer. abcnews.go.com. September 30, 2010. Retrieved 29 July 2012.
{{cite news}}: Unknown parameter|authors=ignored (help) - Preuitt, Lori (March 10, 2011). "Student Survives Jump From Golden Gate Bridge". NBC Bay Area. NBC Bay Area. Retrieved March 10, 2011.
- Tom Leonard (14 March 2011). "Teenager jumps 220ft off Golden Gate Bridge suicide spot for dare and LIVES". Daily Mail/Mail Online. Retrieved 29 July 2012.
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Typo check needed
Hi. Can you check my typo in the article Whole Country is Red. Im sure the text i wrote has errors. -RicHard-59 (talk) 20:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, Richard - The Misplaced Pages article you posted too closely replicates the wording of the "Top 13" article, and needs a rewrite to summarize the material in your own words. - Froid 07:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
People associated with Anne Frank
My sincere compliments on your editing work on "People Associated With Anne Frank". Bravo! I did make one grammatical correction to "Hannelore Klein". Melos Antropon (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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- Fixed 'em all! Froid 04:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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Accidental blanking?
Hello. With this edit, I had noticed that you had removed most of the page content. Was this an accident, or did you intend to remove the material? Thanks. 2602:304:59B8:1C79:9904:6C8D:6C7D:459F (talk) 02:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sheesh! Thanks for the heads-up. That was a huge error on my part; not even sure how that happened. I've restored the inadvertently deleted content.
Rick Grimes as an everyman
Normally I revert uncited examples in everyman immediately, given that most additions are drive-bys. I haven't done that in this case but I feel I must insist that examples be cited. Mangoe (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
- Done! I noticed the the Jim Halpert example was uncited as well, so I added a citation for that entry, too. Additionally, I performed some cleanup on the page (e.g., I properly formatted the bare url for the Stan Marsh entry).
- Thanks. I get so tired of people who don't understand the concept adding any character who isn't a complete weirdo. Mangoe (talk) 01:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your work on United States Army Corps of Engineers
Hi Froid. Thanks for contributing to United States Army Corps of Engineers. I feel that such a significant agency should be portrayed to higher standards through the proper use of citations of third-party sources than it is. Anything you can do to help would be welcome! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 21:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed! Just posted citations for the Pentagon and Manhattan Project. Froid 22:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Noble Savage
Hi Froid,
Your section on the Noble Savage Today is entirely without references. I think I understand what you are trying to say, namely that the motion pictures you list arguably depict tribal or primitive people in an idealized or "unrealistic" way, but you need to back up your statements with citations from a reliable source, otherwise it comes off as a mere opinion of yours and is not encyclopedic in tone or content. Thanks. Mballen (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- Mballen - Click that article's "View history" tab, and you'll see that I edited the article's preexisting content but did not provide said content. My only contribution, besides copyediting, was to add a link under "See also/Cultural examples" that directs readers to Perspective that contributed to Hells Angels' use as security for some 1960s rock concerts. That section documents that fact that Ken Kesey referred to the Hell's Angels as "noble savages", explains his rationale, and provides a credible citation. - Froid 22:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- My sincere apologies and thanks for the clarification. I've forgotten how to add needs citation tag, actually, or would have done so! 173.77.77.172 (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC) Mballen (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, Froid, I had a look at the citation from James Miller and found that, so far as I can see, it was he and not Ken Kesey who used the word "noble savages" to describe the Hells Angels and I therefore changed the article to reflect this. It is interesting that rock critic Miller happens also to be a professor of political science who wrote a book about Rousseau, accusing Rousseau of being a precursor to totalitarian democracy and even Stalinism. Therefore, I would conclude he was not a neutral observer but that in using the epithet "noble savage" had an ax to grind. Best. Mballen (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
- Also, thanks for the heads' up about how to insert citation needed. Very useful.
Broken City
Hi, Froid. I don't think it is necessary to recap Allen's career in Broken City's "Production" section. I do understand the partial relevance of mentioning what similar stuff he has directed before. Maybe we could do a "Notes" section like American Beauty (film) has? Erik (talk | contribs) 00:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
character's
Hi Froid, can you please explain how "character's" is correct and not simply "character". The sentence "Sarah Wayne Callies is still credited among the main cast, despite her character's being killed off" doesn't seem right. I've re-read it a bunch of times, and it seems wrong. For example, "Sarah Wayne Callies' character is killed of" is correct, but surely "Sarah Wayne Callies character's is killed of" is not. Why would "character" need an 's when it's referring to one character, not multiple. I'm genuinely confused, and I really want to know why that is correct. It'd be great if you could explain it. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Drovethrughosts - The rule is: use the possessive case before gerunds (words ending with -ing). See rules 12 and 13 at GrammarBook.com: Apostrophes Froid 22:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, those examples make perfect sense. But do you not agree the sentence still doesn't sound right at all? Or is it just me? While repeating the sentence back to myself another hundred times, I figured it makes sense when in future tense, "her character's being killed off", as in "her character is being killed of" but her character was/has been killed off. Am I on to something or am I still in the wrong? Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Drovethrughosts - The explanations for your thinking the corrected sentence doesn't sound right are:
- You're only newly acquainted with the grammar rule that sentence obeys, so you haven't yet developed a reliable ear for the proper usage, and
- The rule is commonly broken, both orally and in writing, so you've become accustomed to such violations.
- I'm glad you followed up on this issue, because we Misplaced Pages editors should take care to avoid making grammatical errors as well as correct those we find.
- Best wishes, Froid 00:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Any chance the word "being" can be replaced with "been" in that sentence (and still be grammatically correct, it has to be). To me, that sounds perfectly correct and won't drive me nuts everytime I read that sentence, lol. I feel there's a tense problem (been -> being) with that sentence, and that's what fucking me up, no? Thanks again. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the use of "being" is incorrect. The sentence should read "the character's having been killed off", so I've made that correction. Thanks for pointing it out. Froid 16:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Wait, can it just say "despite her character has been killed off"? That sounds perfectly right. Thanks for dealing with me over just a minor thing (and probably slightly annoyed), ha. Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Drovethrughosts - Your proposed replacement phrase, "Despite her character has been killed off", is sooooo incorrect; ouch! The sentence as currently written is grammatically correct; please don't change it.
- Wait, can it just say "despite her character has been killed off"? That sounds perfectly right. Thanks for dealing with me over just a minor thing (and probably slightly annoyed), ha. Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the use of "being" is incorrect. The sentence should read "the character's having been killed off", so I've made that correction. Thanks for pointing it out. Froid 16:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Any chance the word "being" can be replaced with "been" in that sentence (and still be grammatically correct, it has to be). To me, that sounds perfectly correct and won't drive me nuts everytime I read that sentence, lol. I feel there's a tense problem (been -> being) with that sentence, and that's what fucking me up, no? Thanks again. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Drovethrughosts - The explanations for your thinking the corrected sentence doesn't sound right are:
- Okay, those examples make perfect sense. But do you not agree the sentence still doesn't sound right at all? Or is it just me? While repeating the sentence back to myself another hundred times, I figured it makes sense when in future tense, "her character's being killed off", as in "her character is being killed of" but her character was/has been killed off. Am I on to something or am I still in the wrong? Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- You've already acknowledged that you're unfamiliar with the rule of grammar that applies in this instance and, consequently, applying that rule here doesn't sound right to you. May I respectfully suggest, then, that the appropriate next step is NOT to mangle the sentence to make yourself feel comfortable, but rather for you to either: (1) give yourself time to become comfortable with the grammatically correct sentence construction , or (2) let this issue go and move on. Best wishes, Froid 17:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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About your TWD notice
Hi Froid! I didn't change "Shumpert" to "bowman", I did the exact opposite. Maybe an unregistered user changed it. I believe this is all a misunderstanding. Thanks for you work in the TWD pages though. Jal11497 (talk) 07:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Your signature
Hello, your signature does not contain a link to either your user or talk page, which makes it non-standard. To fix this, go into your preferences and uncheck the box that says "Treat the above as wiki markup ...". Graham87 11:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. I've made the change. The preview indicates it did the trick. Froid (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yep, that's it. It's fine now. Sorry about the duplicate message. Graham87 07:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Max Jacobson
I see you have made recent additions to the article. The page numbers for the book you cite are missing. If you know the page numbers, please add them in. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 12:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, Kierzek: I linked an online article that isn't paginated; I did, however, provide the url. Cheers, Froid (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Okay. Kierzek (talk) 12:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Invitation to a Wicnic in Gainesville on Saturday, June 22nd
Greetings!
Seeing that you've edited the article on Gainesville on Misplaced Pages, I'm inviting to the North Central Florida 2013 Great American Wiknic that will be on Saturday June 22, 2013, commencing at 1:00 pm, ten blocks north of UF campus in Gainesville,.
If you're able and inclined to come, please RSVP at at this URL.
Type to you later, Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
- RSVP'd June 1 Froid (talk) 17:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Your edit to everyman
I'm sorry to have to revert your edit, but it has no citation and it seems to me, looking at the movie's article, to be a questionable analysis of the character. Fields's stock drunk character is its own type. But at any rate, this article has been plagued with people putting in uncited examples, so I've had to be very hard-nosed about removing them. If you can come up with a citations, you are obviously welcome to re-add this example. Mangoe (talk) 13:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Undid the revert and added a parenthetical comment and multiple citations with quotations noting Fields' "Everyman" characters in several talking pictures. Froid (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Books and Bytes: The Misplaced Pages Library Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
Greetings Misplaced Pages Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Misplaced Pages Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...
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Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.
New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??
New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges
News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY
Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions
New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration
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The Misplaced Pages Library's Books and Bytes newsletter (#2)
Welcome to the second issue of The Misplaced Pages Library's Books & Bytes newsletter! Read on for updates about what is going on at the intersection of Misplaced Pages and the library world.
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Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue
Volume 1 Issue 3, December/January 2013
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Happy New Year, and welcome to a special double issue of Books & Bytes. We've included a retrospective on the changes and progress TWL has seen over the last year, the results of the survey TWL participants completed in December, some of our plans for the future, a second interview with a Wiki Love Libraries coordinator, and more. Here's to 2014 being a year of expansion and innovation for TWL!
The Misplaced Pages Library completed the first 6 months of its Individual Engagement grant last week. Here's where we are and what we've done:
- Increased access to sources: 1500 editors signed up for 3700 free accounts, individually worth over $500,000, with usage increases of 400-600%
- Deep networking: Built relationships with Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, Cochrane, LexisNexis, EBSCO, New York Times, and OCLC
- New pilot projects: Started the Misplaced Pages Visiting Scholar project to empower university-affiliated Misplaced Pages researchers
- Developed community: Created portal connecting 250 newsletter recipients, 30 library members, 3 volunteer coordinators, and 2 part-time contractors
- Tech scoped: Spec'd out a reference tool for linking to full-text sources and established a basis for OAuth integration
- Broad outreach: Wrote a feature article for Library Journal's The Digital Shift; presenting at the American Library Association annual meeting
Books & Bytes, Issue 4
Volume 1, Issue 4, February 2014
News for February from your Misplaced Pages Library.
Donations drive: news on TWL's partnership efforts with publishers
Open Access: Feature from Ocaasi on the intersection of the library and the open access movement
American Library Association Midwinter Conference: TWL attended this year in Philadelphia
Royal Society Opens Access To Journals: The UK's venerable Royal Society will give the public (and Wikipedians) full access to two of their journal titles for two days on March 4th and 5th
Going Global: TWL starts work on pilot projects in other language Wikipedias
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Pullman porter article
Thanks so much for your excellent copy edit of the article! I will fix the citations you asked for, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting for the "out of date" tag. I wrote the article and I've searched the web for any information I could find and included it. What were you suggesting for updates? Gandydancer (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Gandydancer:
- Thanks for the kind feedback! The section of the article I labeled "outdated" indicated that two men were SCHEDULED to speak at the museum's 50th anniversary; since that date has past, the section needs updating to indicate whether or not they ACTUALLY spoke. Would you please edit that section to indicate whether they ACTUALLY did it or not?
- FYI, my great uncle was a Pullman porter, so for me that article is especially interesting and important. Thank you for writing and maintaining it! Froid (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- Of course I was aware that it would have been good to follow up that information but I've never been able to find a follow up. In my experience this is not unusual, I run into the problem all the time. I reworded the information and hope that you do not replace the tag. I could have removed the men's names, but I have so much respect for these men who faced so much discrimination and yet somehow endured. I like the idea of having the "power" of adding their name to wikipedia--it is one of the few joys that an editor gets around this place. :) I did it in my Gandy dancer article as well. Where was your great uncle living when He was a porter? Was he black? Gandydancer (talk) 23:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi again, Gandydancer,
- Love your wiki handle! Are you a current or former railroad worker?
- I see what you mean about finding updated info about actual attendees and won't re-post the "outdated" tag. Instead, I posted references providing further info about the two former Pullman porters who were scheduled to speak at the anniversary event.
- Yes, my great uncle was black. He's originally from Virginia, but I'm unsure where he was living at the time he became a Pullman porter (and therefore what city/state he'd have listed in the registry). I look forward to learning much more from my folks.
- What a great find for the article! Again, you have been a great help in both your info hunting and your edits. I do the best I can, but I really am not at all gifted when it comes to writing.
- No, I didn't work on the railroads. I am retired--I was an RN. But I actually did sleep in a berth when I was little, perhaps four years old. It was during the war years and my dad had been shipped out and "Mama" took us on the train to live in our family home in Northern Minnesota while he was gone.
- A black uncle! Not too many white people can say that! Yes, do learn everything you can from your parents. Information that is not written down has a way of getting lost forever.
- I'm going to use some of the new info you found in the article so please check back later and see if I've left more work for you. ;) Gandydancer (talk) 23:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Gandydancer,
- Wish I'd written down what Mom told me about my Pullman porter uncle, or requested more details sooner, as she now can't remember. Fortunately, we're having a family reunion this summer, so I'll ask around then.
- RE: "A black uncle! Not too many white people can say that!" Why do you think I'm white?
- RE: "I'm going to use some of the new info you found in the article so please check back later and see if I've left more work for you. ;)" - It's fun collaborating on an article in this way! - Cheers, Froid (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Why do I think you're white? Well, I did wonder...but in my experience a lot of people here do not like to offer any personal information. It's something I don't understand as I'm not that way at all. Now I'm feeling a little embarrassed about it all... Gandydancer (talk) 02:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- No need for embarrassment, friend. - Froid (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
- Why do I think you're white? Well, I did wonder...but in my experience a lot of people here do not like to offer any personal information. It's something I don't understand as I'm not that way at all. Now I'm feeling a little embarrassed about it all... Gandydancer (talk) 02:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Books & Bytes - Issue 5
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Books & Bytes
Issue 5, March 2014
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs)
- New Visiting Scholar positions
- TWL Branch on Arabic Misplaced Pages, microgrants program
- Australian articles get a link to librarians
- Spotlight: "7 Reasons Librarians Should Edit Misplaced Pages"
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OER inquiry
Hi Froid, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Don't tag...
...fix it. Drive-by tagging simply leaves the work for other people to do, it's much more collegial (and efficient) if you actually fix the problem instead. BMK (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- There's no prohibition against noting cn's and unreferenced articles, pages, and sections. Moreover, both noting the need for references and contributing said references contribute to improving Misplaced Pages. Sometimes I do fix the problem (which cleans up work the original contributor left undone); at other times while reading an article that I see needs citations or better references, I indicate that need, but I may be focused on another agenda or have limited time to chase down references, in which cases it would be INEFFICIENT for me to switch gears to go on a reference hunt. In still other instances, I might be reading Misplaced Pages on a device (such as my phone or ereader) that permits me to note the need for references but is ill-equipped to search for and/or type them in. Whatever the case - whether I hunt down and fix a reference or not - it would be irresponsible to notice the need for references yet not indicate that finding. Froid (talk) 03:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Also, I see you have reverted my notes indicating the need for references. You appear to be unfamiliar with the rules for using references - one cannot merely state facts without providing supporting evidence. If you dislike providing such evidence, don't just remove the tags; let someone else provide such support. And please read one or more of the following guides for citing references, found at such links as these:
- Misplaced Pages:Citation_needed
- Template:Unreferenced_section
- https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+cite+references&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
- I'm going to replace my good faith and well-founded edits. Let's not get into an edit war; if you dislike my notations, then please call in a mediator. Froid (talk) 03:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- I've requested input from a third party to help resolve this: see Misplaced Pages:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Bryant_Park. Froid (talk) 03:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, 9 years here and 145K+ edits means that I'm "unfamiliar" with referencing. Stop being so fucking lazy and fix a problem when you see it. And stop tagging "the sky is blue" facts. BMK (talk) 04:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- I've expanded my request for intervention (regarding your reactions to my tags pointing out unreferenced and underreferenced content) to now also include attention to your disruptive and uncivil (category 1a 1b, 1c, and 1d) behavior. As per Misplaced Pages guidelines, I'll tag your user talk page accordingly. Froid (talk) 08:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, 9 years here and 145K+ edits means that I'm "unfamiliar" with referencing. Stop being so fucking lazy and fix a problem when you see it. And stop tagging "the sky is blue" facts. BMK (talk) 04:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Help please
Hi there Froid, would you please take a look at the first two paragraphs under the "Later events" section of the Emmett Till article where I just made a few changes? It's a GA and I'd like to get it right. It's mostly the placement of commas that concerns me, but any other needed tweaks would be appreciated. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Gandydancer. Done! Hope all's well. Best wishes, Froid (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
The Misplaced Pages Library: New Account Coordinators Needed
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Commas
Hello, thanks for your edit to How to Win Friends and Influence People. However, I've removed the commas you added to the article because I find them quite clunky; perhaps it's an English variant issue. Graham87 15:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
- Hi User talk:Graham87, I appreciate your letting me know, but I've reverted your reversion. The commas are not an "English variant" (i.e., style) issue but rather a basic punctuation/ issue; without them, the article is grammatically incorrect. In case you feel strongly about this matter, I don't want either of us to provoke an edit war and have opened a discussion on the matter at Talk:How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People#Commas_debate. Froid (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Digital rights management
Hi Froid,
I have rmeoved a section you added to this article as there was potential for it to be legally contentious. As the information is hosted in the Unied States linking to websites that provide advice and assistance with removing DRM protection as mentioned earlier in the article may fall foul of the following. In 1998, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) was passed in the United States to impose criminal penalties on those who make available technologies whose primary purpose and function are to circumvent content protection technologies. I feel that the information may still be able to be included without the link itself but as it was your edit you may want the opportunity to reword the section. If you want me to readd it with the potentially problematic bit removed just drop me a message. Amortias (T)(C) 09:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 8
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Books & Bytes
Issue 8, August-September2014
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), Sadads (talk · contribs)
- TWL now a Wikimedia Foundation program, moves on from grant status
- Four new donations, including large DeGruyter parntership, pilot with Elsevier
- New TWL coordinators, Wikimania news, new library platform discussions, Wiki Loves Libraries update, and more
- Spotlight: "Traveling Through History" - an editor talks about his experiences with a TWL newspaper archive, Newspapers.com
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Art+Feminism | Train the Trainers
Art+Feminism | Train the Trainers
- Monday, October 27, 2014 from 6:30 PM to 8:30 PM
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Art+Feminism is pleased to announce Train the Trainers, a series of workshops in advance of the second annual international Art+Feminism Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon. We will provide tutorials for both the beginner Wikipedian and the more experienced editor. Learn the best practices on writing entries that stick and how to facilitate the empowerment of your community. The first workshop will take place on October 27, 2014 from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at The Graduate Center of The City University of New York. Women, women-identified and male allies welcomed. Experienced editors please talk on the meet up page to help co-facilitate. Light refreshments will be served.
Hope to see you there! --Failedprojects (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
New Misplaced Pages Library Accounts Now Available (November 2014)
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Decline reason:
The IP address you're using has been blocked, because it acts like a proxy server. While we could grant you IP Block Exemption, this would only be done if there was an actual need for you to edit from this IP address. PhilKnight (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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首里城
Hi. I reverted your edits on Shuri Castle because you made disruptive edits. I will readd the italics to the game titles. And why did you add a literature section and then removed it? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hello and Happy 2015,
"Disruptive edits"? Yikes! That sounds serious, and akin to vandalism. I certainly didn't think my good faith edits were disruptive. I'd be grateful if you would please explain why you found my edits disruptive.
I removed the literature section I'd added because I was editing while using my cellphone. I wanted to postpone that work until I was at my computer, from which I could more easily find a more precise citation. I'll hold off on adding that section, pending your reply. - Froid (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Froid: This edit was disruptive, as it made half of the top paragraph run off the page. You just made small wikicode mistakes that could have large effects. The "literature" and "games" section are a little unnecessary because of how small the "in popular culture" section is, but the book you were adding was fine and should be readded. Happy new year! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 17:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 9
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Books & Bytes
Issue 9, November-December 2014
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), Sadads (talk · contribs)
- New donations, including real-paper-and-everything books, e-books, science journal databases, and more
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HELP WANTED: Good copy editor needed
Hi there Froid, I have (mostly) written an article, Lake City, Colorado, and I'm looking for a copy editor. I'm almost done and I'd sure like some feedback about it if you have any, and a copy edit. Are you interested and have the time? Gandydancer (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Hello Gandydancer, Happy 2015! I made some copyedits, and added some details and references to your very interesting article. Cheers, Froid (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the fine edit. I hope that I did not hurt your feelings, but I cut back some of the Alferd Packer stuff since he has his own article. Hope all is well with you. Do you have time to do more copy editing? It would be good to have someone go through the Ebola in Africa article that I have worked on. We had a good copy editor for awhile but after the first talk page squawk (not about her work--just something she could not resist) she left and never came back. We have one editor that takes care of some things, but he does not improve phrasing the way she did and you do. Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 23:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Re: Boss (TV series)
Thanks for your work on this article. I loved this show. Would be a great article to promote to GA status one day (and certainly easier than articles for shows which had many more seasons). Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'm sorry the show's creator declined the offer to complete the story via a film. Froid (talk) 00:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Me too. I thought that would have been a great opportunity to tie up some loose ends. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
The Borgias
"my change was valid and more appropriate than what you wrote; fyi - you do not own the article." My change was equally if not more valid, it undid a mistake you made and a hyphen was not inappropriate (it being one of those "differences between British English and American English" thingies). To suggest that I might think I "own" an article I had never looked at before and will never look at again is laughable. For your outstanding edit summary, and your careful editing - which you partially undid yourself, literally one minute later - you are my drongo of the day for 5 February 2015. Congratulations, there is no prize. YSSYguy (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Namecalling? Someone needs a time out.
Organizing content
Content is typically organized in medical articles per WP:MEDMOS Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Edit summaries
Hello Froid, and thanks for your contributions. Please remember it makes it easier everyone to watch pages and collaborate if you use edit summaries. Thanks in advance for considering that. One question: what's with the first and last changes in this edit? Eric 14:43, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 10
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Sunday March 22: Misplaced Pages Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference
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Books and Bytes - Issue 11
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HM Prison Bedford and Bedford Hills Correctional Facility for Women
Hi, I'm sorry but I've reverted your edit again. It's tricky to fit everything into the edit summary so I thought I would start up a discussion with you. Basically, the see also section of an article should be for related subjects, not similar or ambiguous article titles. I don't think there's any confusion between a prison called Bedford and one called Bedford Hills, but if you think there is, it's better to use {{distinguish}} at the top of the article, instead of placing a link in a "see also" section. I don't think someone looking for Bedford Hills will end up at the HMP Bedford article, but do you? Thanks. –anemoneprojectors– 13:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 12
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Easter eggs in the Ellis Peters articles
Froid If you look at the histories of the articles on the Ellis Peters novels featuring Cadfael, you will see that other editors undid what you insist on doing, calling what you did an "Easter egg." I think that means that real title of the link is obscured by using only part of it, leading to a surprise for the person following the link. I am not willing to believe that you have checked every page in English language Misplaced Pages that links to those controversial 'year in literature' pages for the format of the link, and clearly you have not looked at the edit history of the articles you recently altered. I agreed to do the link the way the higher level editors described, and they let the link to the 'year in literature' page remain in the article, which seems a fair bargain. The year in literature pages have improved a bit over the years, including more events across the world. Their first reaction was to delete the link altogether. I am not one for edit wars, nor for name calling about links or about commas and italics. I hope you can find the edit history, and see that you are reversing the reversal, and stop making the change in these articles, as you did in The Leper of Saint Giles and other novels in the Cadfael series. --Prairieplant (talk) 06:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- The "Ellis Peters cabal" can call it what they like, but they've isolated themselves into an iconoclastic bubble. Misplaced Pages has been specifically engineered to permit/encourage such so-called "Easter egg" links which are among other purposes, meant to be used in the way I did in the edits to which you are referring. Froid (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Froid The Ellis Peters cabal? Do you have a list of names of editors who belong to that group? There are many editors for those articles, I think. When I added my bits to those articles, I was still pretty new to Misplaced Pages editing, and happy to learn from others how to contribute in a useful way. Some of the editors were very good writers, able to teach a lot with a timely edit. I failed to detect a cabal. And of course, I am still learning how to contribute in a useful way. Is this Easter egg thing discussed somewhere on Misplaced Pages? Besides the corrections I was asked to make, or course. --Prairieplant (talk) 03:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- You're kidding, right? I call it a "cabal", somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because the editors of those pages have decided they dislike the accepted Misplaced Pages practices of typing publication/release dates in parentheses or of linking those dates to larger pages. Hence, my use of the term to describe the coordinated efforts of multiple practitioners, to achieve a common goal. I'm surprised I have to explain this.
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David Chase Vox article retraction
Hi. Here Chase denies what Vox said: http://www.vulture.com/2014/08/david-chase-statement-response-to-tony-soprano-didnt-die.html . Even at the end of the Vox article, there is the mandatory mention of a retraction by Vox themselves, with a link to this: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/27/6076621/david-chase-responds-to-our-sopranos-piece . The Vox article has been criticized as a sensationalist fabrication meant to attract views, it does disservice to readers to know about it, as it may confuse them about Chase's overall stance towards the finale. We must not post journalist's lies to give them any undeserved attention. If Chase denies it, the article loses its legitimacy as being correct or notable. I hope you'll agree with me and change your mind about mentioning the Vox article. Even mentioning it and then its retraction would be confusing to readers, I think. The liars do not deserve any attention. TheBearPaw (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your prompt response and for the citations! Though I thoroughly understand your point of view, I disagree. Rationale: you and I are having a private discussion about this matter, yet many others are not privy to the retractions. Moreover, it's possible Chase said - sarcastically, and out of frustration to shut her up - exactly what the reporter printed, and later regretted doing so when it made it into print without the retraction he would likely have voiced in that same meeting. Whatever the truth is, the article is publicly available, its existence should be noted, and (I believe) so should Chase's rebuttal. Froid (talk) 06:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
RE: Fear the Walking Dead
Thanks for your work on this article. I posted some sources on the talk page about the pilot episode, if you have any interest in working on Pilot (Fear the Walking Dead). Either way, thanks again! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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Saw your gnoming at Comanche (horse), our paths have crossed occasionally, and I've long wanted to ask you if you know there is a Froid, Montana? Montanabw 20:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Gee, thanks, Montanabw. I didn't know that, but after reading your message, I read (and groomed) the article! Interesting, tiny town. Though I love to ski and ice skate, I'd never move anywhere named "Cold" (in any language). I like warm weather too much. Heh! Froid (talk) 22:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- I actually have not been there, but I know a couple people who lived there (past tense). Montanabw 22:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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Please stop that
I've just reverted the inappropriate formatting at Poisoned candy myths again. Please read WP:ELCITE. WP:Citation templates do not belong in the ==External links== section. Correct formatting is typically similar to at Some Website, without the authors, dates, publisher, or other details that would be desirable or even essential in a cited source.
Also, there's no |date= parameter in the {{snopes}} template, so adding it was pointless. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hello,
Articles listed but not external links are "Further reading", should be formatted as articles, and should not be placed in external links, so I'm putting them there. It's not inappropriate to date (or accessdate) links from websites, including Snopes, as web pages may change materially between the time they're posted and the time Misplaced Pages users read them. Froid (talk) 11:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
You might look in on
… the R&D intensity article, where I did a review and citation improvement today. It still desperately needs updating by an economist, but it is more easily followed up upon, since the source links are now current. Cheers. Le Prof 50.240.131.212 (talk) 19:01, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
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If it's Jake Heke, then the family is the Heke's. Snori (talk) 04:56, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Indeed. Snori (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, please see my amendment to your edit there. Graham87 07:12, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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- If you were going to use it at all it would be the UK spelling of "instalment" as she is a British author. But "book" is much better here. PamD 08:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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Books and Bytes - Issue 14
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I've reverted your edits - in my view, the previous version presented the information in a much better format. But, I'm sure I and other editors will be happy to discuss your changes if you want to make a case on the article talk page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Your latest comments seem a little harsh. I thought we'd resolved our differences...? Anyway, I've responded. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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Citation changes in Newark article
Your recent edit to the article for Newark, New Jersey made several changes to citations, none of which were either necessary or appropriate. Per WP:CITEVAR, the citation style used in the article should be consistent and shouldn't be changed arbitrarily. Alansohn (talk) 14:04, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with the importance of consistency. However, in my view, it's important not only for references (which rather than being maintained in the state they are in, should ALL be changed to conform with Misplaced Pages's style guidelines as well as copyedited to correct errors), but for grammar/mechanics, encyclopaediac ordering of contents (e.g., alphabetically, chronologically, or in accordance with some other appropriate scheme when applicable), and other issues competent editors attend to, as well. The changes I made (which you inappropriately reverted) addressed the aforementioned issues I cited and, as such, were appropriate and needed, not arbitrary. Since you appear to be inordinately proprietary about the article, I suggest you redirect the time and energy you're investing in guarding its status quo - which is counterproductive, iconoclastic, uncollegial, unprofessional, and not at all user-friendly (as you're obstructing efforts to improve the article) - into addressing the many elements of the article which require improvement.
- I also suggest that you adopt another approach to working on this collaborative project that is Misplaced Pages. Your talk page indicates you have had similar clashes with other editors and have been cited multiple times for edit warring, but you don't appear to have reformed your behavior. As you've wasted my time by reverting my edits and have ignored my earlier advice to seek third-party intervention, if you disagree with them, I've now joined the ranks of editors who have cited you for edit warring, as noted on your talk page. Froid (talk) 05:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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Misplaced Pages rules and regulations
Misplaced Pages has a series of rules and regulations that are to guide our editing activity. One of them is WP:CITEVAR, which states "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. As with spelling differences, it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page."
You may also want to read WP:BRD, which makes clear that once you've been bold and been reverted, you need to start discussion to obtain consensus for the changes you seek to make
I'm not sure that you are fully aware of how Misplaced Pages works and the fact that your report on WP:3RRN was improperly formatted and thus rejected raises deep and fundamental questions of competence. While I do enjoy the claim that my edits are "iconoclastic", you wold be well served to step back and start over with the edits to the article for Newark, New Jersey, which have been reverted to the status quo ante, per WP:BRD.
I encourage you to start observing Misplaced Pages guidelines that specify leaving citation styles unchanged. I look forward to your attempts to discuss these issues in a collegial manner on the article's talk page and obtaining consensus before making changes not backed by policy. Alansohn (talk) 04:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
- Firstly, you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you state you look forward to attempts to discuss matters in a collegial manner on the article's talk page; on the other, you (erroneously and uncollegially) impugn my competence. Additionally, since you raise the matter of competence, I point to the fact that I am not interested in imposing my personal style of citations, but rather the style dictated by Misplaced Pages's own style guidelines, for which reference/citation templates were created for a reason, and without my input. All editors would do well to invest time learning and applying those, rather than clinging to and guarding attempts to update another style they adopted, which differs from the style Wikipedians invested talent and effort to encourage use of by creating a template to make its use user-friendly.Froid (talk) 03:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Books & Bytes - Issue 17
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Issue 17, April-May 2016
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Louise Brooks
Very much like Misplaced Pages, "goog grammar" is a consensus issue, not a scientific absolute, especially when as you did in your edit to this article, you changed the tense of the material. Clearly you believe your version is superior, and clearly I disagree, so you edit is disputed, and the way we settle that here is not by using the Argument from Authority, but by a consensus discussion on the article talk page. So, please, do not revert again, I have restored the article to the status quo ante as required by WP:BRD. Your Bold edit has been Reverted, and now you get to Discuss on the article talk page, why you believe your version is superior and I am a complete dumkopf. BMK (talk) 02:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Talk:Louise Brooks#Grammar is the place to go. BMK (talk) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Defensive, much? I hope not, and I choose to assume that tone you adopted is lighter than it comes across as. BTW, I am unfamiliar with "goog grammar" but extremely well-versed in the rules and application of standard American English grammar and mechanics.Froid (talk) 03:15, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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There's inline comments, a ping of you on the talk page and a common way forward. Please could you take note of them, and use the talk page. I've reverted your edits until then due to these issues, and look forward to discussing there. Widefox; talk 07:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
"Copyediting" at Fort Bridger and elsewhere
Please see these brief, but partial, attempts to repair some of the minor damage your recent edits to this article have caused. As noted here and previously, most of the changes you make are merely subjective tweaks, not corrections, improvements or genuine copyedits, and some of them introduce new, outright errors. There is no need, for example, to reorder terms into alphabetical order, or to refactor phrasing like this. These are neither grammatical or even stylistic errors. N-HH talk/edits 21:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- RE: "As noted here and previously, most of the changes you make are merely subjective tweaks, not corrections, improvements or genuine copyedits, and some of them introduce new, outright errors." Regarding the first point, I did make one typo and omit the closing > on a reference. Thanks for finding and pointing those out; I've fixed them. However, regarding the second point, I find it very disappointing, even sad, that you and others seem to mistake as stylistic, subjective, and/or valueless changes that actually repair or improve poor grammar or mechanics, and that you use "copyediting" and a patronizing, melodramatically world-weary tone in your post to underscore your disdain for my copyedits. Many copyediting and grammar-mechanics skills are reiterated (and for some students) taught for the first time in the old standardized test prep for English/Reading - e.g., for the ACT/SAT, as this one and these - and many of the corrections I've made are to remedy commonly made errors such as those addressed in those programs. When errors are commonly made, many people (apparently, including you and numerous other Wikipedians) are so used to seeing/hearing them that they don't recognize the familiar usage/constructions as errors, and therefore, the need to correct them. However, that's no justification for Wikipedians who do recognize such errors to allow them to stand. Again, I'll fix the errors I inadvertently made (apologies for those!). Froid (talk) 00:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- RE: "There is no need, for example, to reorder terms into alphabetical order," - The article Donner Party indicates, "The Donner Party (sometimes called the Donner-Reed Party) was a group of American pioneers led by George Donner and James F. Reed", so it's appropriate to reference the two groups in that order. Moreover, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, for goodness' sake, and as such, should present lists of items in a logical, easily justifiable/discernible order, whether chronologically, alphabetically, in descending/ascending quantitative order, or in whatever sequence makes sense in context. In cases when the ordering or reason for it is not easily discernible, then it should be made explicit.
- RE: "There is no need, for example, to refactor phrasing like this - see my post above, about commonly made errors in grammar/mechanics, which many Wikipedians don't recognize as errors.Froid (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you have still offered no specific evidence that much of what you change relates to actual stylistic, let alone grammatical, errors. Others have also disagreed with you, and your repeated response is to say "Yes, you see people doing this, but they're all just wrong. Luckily I know better". You'll have to do a bit more than that. Has it occurred to you that people don't think they are errors precisely because they are not? How about asking directly for someone else's opinion or citing a grammar authority that directly agrees with you on the specific points in question, rather than pointing vaguely to the entirety of one? By contrast, while berating everone else for their supposed errors, you happily insist on your right to impose minority stylings such as "an hotel" (I never said it was wrong, just archaic and less common in 2016, assuming it was deliberate, which it is now clear it was). As for fixing errors, you knee-jerk reverted one of my repairing edits, before then putting it right yourself. Now that's either incredibly petty or shows you're not thinking about what you're doing properly. This might help explain the weary tone. As for patronising, that goes both ways. N-HH talk/edits 08:40, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- ps: on the specific point of a vs an hotel, please see this, which entirely corroborates what I have said. As I said, it's not an outright error, but it's pretty close to one these days. It's definitely more of an error than the things you often change and mark as corrections. That link is also the kind of specific evidence that it would be good, as noted, if you could provide for some of your assertions, eg about "X entered the competition, winning first prize" being a faulty type of construction which is better rendered as "X entered the competition; they won first prize", which I suspect most readers would in fact find more stilted. N-HH talk/edits 09:57, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- RE: "There is no need, for example, to refactor phrasing like this - see my post above, about commonly made errors in grammar/mechanics, which many Wikipedians don't recognize as errors.Froid (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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Copyediting, again
Just to be clear, I have occasionally looked in on your edits since this edit, claiming to be a grammar improvement, appeared on a page I keep an eye on. Of course, in fact, it broke the grammar of that sentence. As noted above, this happens quite often. For example, this recent edit has introduced several errors – i) "as well as continued", ii) "From 1984-2008" and iii) "On 1981" – when there were no actual problems that needed solving anyway. This edit, on the same page, in its zeal to (needlessly) alphabetise every list, missed the point that the Roots Band were Etta James's backing band, and split them apart, as well as adding a link to an unrelated group. One only has to look as well at the number of bot notifications on your talk page relating to reference, linking etc errors.
Aside from such errors, many other changes are simply neutral or dubious, hence arguably not worth making at all: why, for example, change "consists of" to "comprises"? Why move "in 19XX" to the start of every sentence? Why move every reference to a film being made "in 19XX" to brackets after the name of the film? What is exactly wrong with use of the -ing present participle (which as noted elsewhere, is not the same as a gerund)? None of this is "copyediting" or "grammar/spelling correction". I have tried to point certain things out to you a couple of times now, but you just ignore advice and carry on regardless. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life checking up on things like this, let along sorting them out for you, but a little more care and more openness to people who disagree with you about more subjective grammar matters wouldn't go amiss. N-HH talk/edits 09:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- OK, and now there's this one. I'll drop this now, as I don't want this to be seen as, or felt as, excessive scrutiny, but if an editor is constantly introducing errors into pages (alongside often redundant changes) while purportedly copyediting, that's a problem which other editors are entitled to keep an eye on and flag up. I repeat my last sentence from my previous comment, and will leave it up to others from now on to pick up and deal with the mistakes that keep coming. N-HH talk/edits 15:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- You wrote: "I don't want this to be seen as, or felt as, excessive scrutiny". Too late, according to various sections of Misplaced Pages:Harassment.
- I'll not waste a lot of time here, for various reasons, so I'll make but a few points:
- I've set bots to notify me of whatever errors bots can notify me of so I can correct them. I don't always delete bot notices after I've acted on them, nor is it required that I do so.
- In some other instances, I review pages I've previously edited, in order to quality control my work. If you or another editor beats me to the punch, so be it. Unfortunately, though, I've seen instances where your "editing" reintroduces errors, "throws the baby out with the bathwater", or flat out reflects you either don't grasp, don't appreciate, or don't give a flying hoot about certain grammar/mechanics/syntax/style/copyediting conventions that warrant certain edits. *Moreover, you've repeatedly expressed disdain for my efforts to logically order items (whether alphabetically, chronologically, or according to other valid schema); that's surprising, since Misplaced Pages has guidelines calling for that. Why don't you look those guidelines up?
- Since, below, you indicated you didn't do so, I've posted the link here, for your convenience and edification: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Lists#Organization
- Despite your implication in an earlier post, it's neither necessary or appropriate to expect another editor to define or post a link to a grammar/style/syntax/mechanics rule every time they make an edit of that kind.
- While I am open to and often comply with constructive feedback, suggestions, and even mentoring, your off-putting tone and approach, from your first post on my Talk Page, reflect the very culture and atmosphere Misplaced Pages is trying to correct.
- Since you've flat out stated that my edits bear oversight, and it's not inconceivable that you'll enlist other editors to join in, don't forget to also note the thank you's/kudos I've received for my work or the documentation on my Talk Page of amiably resolved debates and collegial work. Also, don't overlook the fact that numerous editors have such a poor grasp of written English and/or of the need to properly organize or cite their work that there might be higher "crimes" worth investing time/energy/snarkiness on than mine.
Froid (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- I have engaged you politely and reasonably, but you just shrug everything off, or declare yourself to be right about grammar and style issues when you often are not, such as re "an hotel" and re gerunds/participles. You also reverted one of my unambigious corrections to your work, before making exactly the same correction yourself, which, as noted, is incredibly petty. And I have only of course pressed you for explicit justifications on points of dispute, not demanded them for every change you make (in most cases, when asked, you never try, and even when you do, the things you cite do not back up your assertions). As for WP rules, there is no guideline I am aware of that requires alphabetisation, and WP:Harassment explicitly only applies to behaviour that has the "aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor", which, as noted, is not my intent (nor is it my intent to "enlist" anyone else to do anything). It also, pertinently, says: "Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) ... correcting related problems on multiple articles". Finally, I am aware of the terrible phrasing and unambiguous style errors that appear on many WP pages, and some of what you do indeed helps improve it. But given the extent of such problems, you can hardly be surprised that someone might be slightly concerned about edits that claim to be about copyediting and correcting errors, but are in fact as often as not making dubious and unnecessary changes to content which is currently perfectly OK. Worse, they often make it less readable or even introduce outright errors into it where there were none before. That, surely, is compounding the problem as much as it is solving it. N-HH talk/edits 20:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
3 August 2016 reply to N-HH's posts, which have become harassing
Dear N-HH:
- For the record, as I've already stated above, despite my solid confidence in my grasp of grammar/usage/mechanics/copyediting/style/formatting skills in the "real world" (given my education, training, professional experience, relevant test scores) and within Misplaced Pages, I'm neither omniscient (especially when it comes to some arcane rules) nor infallible, and I make typos, and I know/acknowledge this. Therefore: I have set up bot alerts to help me detect and correct my errors, I sometimes (though not always) backtrack to review my past work and make any necessary improvements, and I'm aware other editors might either beat me to the punch or might make improvements or corrections to my work that the bots and I don't catch. I also have benefited from and appreciate some direct communications from other editors that I'll classify as "collegial", "mentoring", or "informative" in a constructive way. I think you perceive your posts to me as falling in those veins. (I wish they did, but many of them don't.)
- Also for the record, it doesn't offend me in any way when other editors beat me to the punch to correct errors I've inadvertently made but have either neither corrected yet nor detected. In fact, I'm sorry about introducing errors (when, in fact, they are errors) and glad when actual errors - whichever Wikipedian makes them - get corrected, whoever corrects them. The whole point of all of Misplaced Pages editors' efforts in this community should ultimately be to improve Misplaced Pages, n'est ce pas?
- It's only comments from other editors who either don't assume good faith, or who don't care about good faith and instead communicate offensively (for whatever reason), that grate. However, any editor who becomes insulting, irate, a bully, a stalker, or an harasser (yes, I know you object to that construction, but it's grammatically correct and its use is subjective), crosses a line both rationally and according to Misplaced Pages's rules of civility, and is not serving the greater good/ultimate goal.
- Even in such instance, though, I take pains to bear in mind the greater good (which should supersede individual agendas/motives/ego, etc.) and the reality that time spent editing Misplaced Pages should be enjoyable, self-improving (e.g., by exposing one to new knowledge and skills), and/or designed to promote the greater good. Otherwise, why bother, since editing Misplaced Pages is optional, pro bono, and for must of us, accomplished using aliases and therefore doesn't confer any real-life "credentialing" effects. With those caveats in mind, there's never any reason to engage in power struggles or to attack/harass/belittle other editors, nor to suffer such affronts.
- As I've also stated, you and some other editors who have objected to some of my edits are not infallible, either, and you have sometimes made edits, reversions, or objections to my contributions which, on your part, have been in various cases (whether purposefully or not) inappropriate, incorrect, subjective, indicative of low standards (e.g., when you disdain edits you deem "minor"), and/or reflective of agendas that don't result in the best outcome for Misplaced Pages.
- I urge you to see your interactions with me from another point of view. My suggestion, first take a time out. Then, objectively reread all of your posts to/about me, made both on my User Talk Page and before that, on the article(s) that incited your "tracking" of me, and don't overlook your tone/approach from your very first engagements with/about me. Then reconsider your opening statement in the post to which I'm currently responding and fathom why I reiterate: your behavior, tone, and series of posts about/to me reflect you are more than "slightly concerned". I also urge you to then review Misplaced Pages: Harrassment and see how it applies to your behavior, which whether intentional or not, has the effects that article warns against.
- That's a pity, since Misplaced Pages's admonition and the statement posted atop my User Talk Page urge editors to assume good faith. As a corollary, I submit, any edits/contributions/corrections/interactions in the Misplaced Pages community should be made in good faith, too.
- Contrary to what you believe, I adhere to those good faith principles and motivations, and I cannot control, nor do I much trouble myself about others' projections on me of the contrary. That is, until others delve into harassing behavior, as I reiterate you are demonstrating (wittingly or not), your protestations notwithstanding.
Neither petty nor a knee-jerk reaction
- In case I didn't address this point earlier, but you've reiterated it in your last post, so it's important to you: my reversion the edit session you cite was neither petty nor a knee-jerk reaction as you claim. Your misreading of the situation indicates misreading and/or projection on your part. Rather, my actions in that instance reflect my concern that you not "throw the baby out with the bathwater" (as often happens) and instead to revert the valid corrections I agree were warranted, while maintaining other (also valid) edits that I didn't want to have to track down and remake. Stop. Consider. Do some perspective-taking.
How interesting - and worse, unfortunate - your reaction to that interaction expresses only your concern with being reverted and your indignation (or worse), fueled by your misunderstanding of my motive, than with consideration of what really was at play and (a more appropriate sense of) pleasure or satisfaction that the errors you're referring to were ultimately corrected, and the greater good (improving Misplaced Pages) served. I realize this may read as snarky, and so I apologize in advance, as that is not my intention. Rather, it is an observation that bears consideration.
Links to Misplaced Pages pages I urge you to read, in response to your comments to me/edits of my work
- Excerpt from my earlier post: "Moreover, you've repeatedly expressed disdain for my efforts to logically order items (whether alphabetically, chronologically, or according to other valid schema); that's surprising, since Misplaced Pages has guidelines calling for that. Why don't you look those guidelines up?"
- Your reply to that: "As for WP rules, there is no guideline I am aware of that requires alphabetisation"
- Surprising. For your convenience and edification, see: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Lists#Organization (that entire article is worth reading). Also regarding ordering, see, for examle: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Works_or_publications.
- Your reply to that: "As for WP rules, there is no guideline I am aware of that requires alphabetisation"
- Your following statements are inaccurate:
"And I have only of course pressed you for explicit justifications on points of dispute, not demanded them for every change you make (in most cases, when asked, you never try, and even when you do, the things you cite do not back up your assertions)."
and
"as often as not making dubious and unnecessary changes to content which is currently perfectly OK. Worse, they often make it less readable or even introduce outright errors into it where there were none before."
But who has time or patience to engage in wikilawyering? Correction: I' have neither time nor patience for it. I will, however, share some articles that explain some principles I follow when editing (that you seem unaware of or disdain), e.g.:
- Excerpt from my earlier post: "Moreover, you've repeatedly expressed disdain for my efforts to logically order items (whether alphabetically, chronologically, or according to other valid schema); that's surprising, since Misplaced Pages has guidelines calling for that. Why don't you look those guidelines up?"
- Your reply to that: "As for WP rules, there is no guideline I am aware of that requires alphabetisation"
- Surprising. For your convenience and edification, see: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Lists#Organization (that entire article is worth reading). Also regarding ordering, see, for examle: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Works_or_publications.
- Your reply to that: "As for WP rules, there is no guideline I am aware of that requires alphabetisation"
Bigger picture, forward-looking thoughts
- All that said, here's what I wholeheartedly believe: Misplaced Pages should require every editor, no exception (in other words, including us) to take, to periodically retake, and to demonstrate mastery of Misplaced Pages-sponsored, graded seminars designed to ensure all Wikipedians have a common mastery and understanding of important Misplaced Pages-sanctioned rules of grammar/mechanics/usage/style/formatting, AND of rules of conduct, of engagement, and of conflict resolution within the Misplaced Pages community.
- Additionally, Misplaced Pages sorely needs to fix the valid concerns - many of which are in play in our current dialogue and interactions - e.g., those detailed in: Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Editorial_process (see all section, including Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Consensus_and_the_.22hive_mind.22) and Academic_studies_about_Wikipedia#Power_plays.
Last words (I hope)
I welcome constructive, collegially-toned interactions from editors (including you) who share the above-mentioned "greater goal", and whose communications are enlightening, informative, or otherwise positive/constructive, and which are non-harassing. Point of fact: You've made/documented numerous points and have, in multiple instances, repeated yourself. Point of fact: I've read them and replied. Point of fact: Neither of us will benefit, and I don't welcome, further posts from you that beat that dead horse and would constitute (further) Misplaced Pages:Harassment (despite your contention that your posts are not harassing).
More points of fact: You edit and care about the quality of Misplaced Pages. So do I. Neither of us wants to either be or to be viewed as a troll, stalker, harasser, or other type of Wikipedian who causes harm or destruction, despite the fact that we both sometimes make some inadvertent errors that need to be corrected, either by us or - as we hope to avoid - by others. (See User:Froid.) Obviously, we share some common ground.
Let's move on from there. Froid (talk) 12:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
- As seen, for example in the Janis Joplin article and others I've edited in the past few days, NHH is still "stalking" me, racing to find and correct any errors I might make before I can correct them myself, and - and here's the issue worth noting - in the process is making snide comments in the edit summaries, which constitute Misplaced Pages:Harrassment. NHH needs a time out, and perhaps, an intervention. A review of his/her User Talk pages indicates multiple others have complained and admonished NHH about incivility and other similar behavior with others, and it might be necessary for an administrator to monitor NHH's behavior. Froid (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
As noted, I don't want to get bogged down in long, back-and-forth discussions about all this, nor is it my intention to harrass any user. The problem is with the quality of some of your edits and your apparent confusion about certain principles of grammar, despite your assertions that what you are doing is "copyediting" or "grammar correction", as well as your persistent refusal, in the face of observations by several other editors, to accept that you might be at all in error (which, as noted, is the cause of my slight exasperation with this situation). Sometimes you declare a rule, and one form of phrasing therefore wrong, when in fact both are acceptable; other times you declare a rule that supposedly favours what is in fact an incorrect form. There is of course also the slightly separate point about the regular introduction of obvious errors into what was previously clean text due to lack of self-proofing. I'll bullet-point the main recurring issues, some of which have been discussed elsewhere, and privide some links for you.
- Alphabetisation: you linked above to the MOS guidance. But this is clearly about lists, not running prose, and also allows for other logic to come into play re ordering. Alphabetisation is neither obligatory nor often the best way to order material. For disambiguation pages specifically, please see WP:DABORDER, which explicitly says the "most common meanings may be placed at the top". Others have raised this exact point with you on this talk page.
- Possessive form: I see you are now in dispute with another editor (User:DrKay) about s' vs s's. The fact is that both are acceptable in the real world, and indeed in the MOS here. What matters is consistency in an article.
- Double possessive: You seem to think this is compulsory (and not using it an error). It is not. Equally, no, it is not always wrong – indeed sometimes it is necessary for clarity – but it is often deprecated in formal writing and often unnecessary. I explained this to you here. Here is a discussion of the topic.
- Participles: you seem to have an aversion to the use of the -ing form of the present participle, including in adverbial and adjectival phrases, possibly because you confuse it with use as a gerund/noun; hence why you also have argued that "X led to Y doing Z" requires an apostrope and that "X did Y, doing it better than Z" is ungrammatical. Neither is the case. Here's a link on this.
- As well as: this again relates (in part) to participles. Yes, it can sometimes substitute for "and", but it does not do so universally, or require exactly the same grammar around it. "X does Y as well as doing Z" is the standard, idiomatic form; "X does Y as well as does Z" is incorrect. "W does X, Y and Z" cannot be replaced by "W does X, Y as well as Z"; only by "W does X and Y, as well as Z". On the first point, please see this and this.
- A/an: with words that start with "h", such as "hotel" or "historic", "a" rather than "an" is usually preferred these days. I already pointed this out to you a while back, but I see you are still switching to "an". Here is the link again. And FWIW, your claim that you had to revert my correction of a separate typo of yours on that page, as I had thrown "the baby out with the bathwater" and lost other, legitimate changes, is simply untrue. As I said, I made that correction on its own. You then reverted it, again on its own.
- Years: As also previously noted, as far as I am aware, there is no rule of grammar or style that requires the universal changing of "X did Y in 1983" to "In 1983, X did Y" (indeed it leads to rather repetitive structure; and sometimes the emphasis needs to be different). Nor am I aware of any WP style guidance that requires "the 1983 film X", or "the film X was released in 1983" to always be changed to "the film X (1983)".
- As a final, one-off point, re adding Elizabeth Warren to the Indian disambiguation page. I will revert this addition again. This is a disambiguation page, to direct readers to different pages which uses the term in question, not to list every context in which it might be used. Warren's page does not open by saying she is "also known as the Indian"; nor is there page "Indian (Trump insult)". Absent either of this, it should not be there. This page does not, and should not, list every person who has been described as such by someone else.
If you wish to complain about me harrassing you, feel free. I am more than happy to have each of our actions put under scrutiny. Equally, if you want further discussion about any of the above points, please post a note at WT:MOS and get a third opinion. N-HH talk/edits 11:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
reaction to N-HH's post of 11:03 7 August 2016 (UTC)
N-HH's communications and behavior constitute Misplaced Pages:Harrassment. Both common sense and Misplaced Pages's advisement for handling such behavior advise against engaging perpetrators of same, so I will not reply to his/her last post. Nonetheless, this is MY talk page, and I am posting the following:
- N-HH has made multiple inaccurate claims and protestations, including the most recent (shared below), which his/her behavior - e.g., as documented by his/her posts on this User Talk page and on his/her stalking of me online and commentary in his/her edit summaries - are either disingenuous or reflect deep denial:
"I don't want to get bogged down in long, back-and-forth discussions about all this, nor is it my intention to harrass any user."
- As this page reflects:
- N-HH keeps repeating him/herself and pushing his/her "case" on this page and has ignored my requests to stop doing so, which compounds behavior that already constitutes Misplaced Pages:Harrassment
- N-HH seems hell-bent on engaging in additional behaviors that constitute Misplaced Pages:Harrassment (e.g., following MY edits specifically and handling them in the manners I've described in my previous posts), e.g., stalking/hounding/Misplaced Pages:Harrassment/wikilawyering
- N-HH his obviously ignored my suggestion (posted in a previous post) to reframe the situation and move forward in a more positive, productive manner
- N-HH's communications on this user's talk page, in edit summaries when "editing" or reverting my work, and on multiple articles' talk pages is frequently uncivil, condescending, denigrating, insulting, and (as previously noted) repetitive, and constitutes Misplaced Pages:Harrassment
- N-HH lacks the level of mastery of grammar/usage/mechanics/copyediting/Wikipedia guidelines/styles/rules s/he thinks s/he possesses (e.g., see N-HH's comments above which reflect unawareness of conciseness, parallelism, etc.), frequently demonstrates that s/he embraces (and tries to impose on others) the use of commonly made errors, and tries to impose on others the use of his/her subjective preferences when there's more than one approach.
- Because of N-HH's less-than-complete mastery, s/he has on multiple occasions reverted valid edits/contributions as well as overlooked/denigrated the legitimacy/value of valid changes/contributions
- N-HH seems unaware or unconcerned that his/her manner of communicating and his/her behaviors are not only inappropriate and violate Misplaced Pages's guidelines, but that s/he comes across as laughable in those instances when her "corrections" or reversions are incorrect yet accompanied by haughty/derisive commentary that is inaccurate or reflects ignorance
- N-HH is highly negative and selective, honing in on data that support his/her worldview and agenda, e.g.,
- N-HH looks for the existence of or relative proportion of errors, completing ignoring the existence of or relative proportion of valid edits/contributions
- N-HH focuses exclusively on rules/guidelines/options/incidents that support his/her point of view even when aware of other applicable rules/guidelines/options/incidents that don't
- N-HH doesn't seem to distinguish between disagreements between editors (reflected in edit summaries or on talk pages) that are part of the normal/useful give-and-take associated with editing this community enterprise and frequently occur between editors, versus those (like N-HH's) that are dysfunctional/inappropriate. Nor does N-HH seem interested in how any other disagreements are handled/resolved other than those which might support his/her negative agenda.
- N-HH completely ignores positive posts on this user's talk page that belie his/her negative filter about this editor, such as thank you's, tortes, requests for assistance, invitations to participate in editing other pages/projects, and the like
- Posts on N-HH's user talk page, on this talk page, and on other Misplaced Pages pages (e.g., where administrative actions are being discussed) document that:
- N-HH has exhibited and been called out for/reviewed/admonished by other Misplaced Pages editors, admins, or admin bodies for multiple instances of similar behavior on other occasions, with other Wikipedians. So N-HH's pattern of behavior and communication style, in question here, are neither unique nor new.
- The above-mentioned remedy-seeking actions seem to have had very little, if any, reformatory impact on N-HH's behavior or communication style, which I reiterate in my case, constitutes Misplaced Pages:Harrassment
- N-HH frequently expresses an undue (and unwarranted) sense of superiority, an inflated sense of his/her competence, outright derision for the competence of others who disagree with him/her (whether such others are correct or not), an inappropriate and dysfunctional need for power/control, and propensities for obsessive-compulsive/punitive/stalking/hounding/wikilawyering/harrassment
Froid (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- And you haven't addressed a single one of the substantive issues raised above, but are just throwing around insults now. I note previously you accuse me of repeating myself – but that is of course because you don't respond to points and don't modify your beliefs when the evidence is presented to you. I wouldn't have to keep coming back to this if you did, and yet it is all my fault? Please. Indeed, you are still reverting me here, despite the evidence I presented above about the idiomatic verb form usually found with "as well as". As for my "sense of superiority" and "inflated sense .. of competence", I have provided direct and focused third-party evidence for every single one of my assertions relating to your edits and points of dispute, and, on top of that, suggested you seek the views of other WP editors at the MOS page in respect of them. Yes, that is because I am confident I am right, but at the same time, I am not asking you to just take my word for it. By contrast, you simply assert you know best about various grammar "rules", and accuse everyone else of lack of competence and making errors, without providing any similar evidence about what they might have got wrong, and without anyone else backing you up. Indeed, as noted, plenty of other WP editors have already disagreed with you about the same things I disagree with you about. As it happens, if actual evidence was presented to me that I might be wrong about something, and other editors were patiently trying to explain why, I would at least stop to think for a second, and either respond to their criticism/evidence in a bid to rebut it or accept I might have been wrong. I'm not a fan of going to ANI or other project pages to moan about other editors, preferring to try reason first, but please don't let me stop you if you think my attempts at reasoning with you (and other editors in the past) – in the face of your (and their) obtuseness – constitute harrassment. I will not respond further here, whether you choose to make more constructive points or to continue ranting, which I am sure you will be pleased to hear. N-HH talk/edits 17:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Further evidence....
Looking in the notices on my user talk page at the last three actions N-HH made today, before I made this post, and for example, at the following excerpt from N-HH's most recent statement on this talk page...
"And you haven't addressed a single one of the substantive issues raised above, but are just throwing around insults now. I note previously you accuse me of repeating myself – but that is of course because you don't respond to points and don't modify your beliefs when the evidence is presented to you. I wouldn't have to keep coming back to this if you did, and yet it is all my fault?
...further evidences what appears to be, on N-HH's part, deep-seated:
- Need to be acknowledged
- Insistence on being "right" and' on having that acknowledged
- Control/power issues
- Persistent Misplaced Pages:Ownership of content, at least when it comes to my edits/posts
- Propensity to engage in bludgeoning and the types of disruptive editing described in Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Consequences_of_harassment
- Misplaced Pages:WikiHate
- Overbearing sense of ownership and authority
- Obsessive-compulsive/stalking/hounding/wikilawyering/Misplaced Pages:Harrassment propensities
- Denigration of others who disagree with him/her, even when such others have been supported, in the past, by other editors and admin reviews of N-HH's misbehavior - e.g., "I'm not a fan of going to ANI or other project pages to moan about other editors, preferring to try reason first, but please don't let me stop you if you think my attempts at reasoning with you (and other editors in the past) – in the face of your (and their) obtuseness – constitute harrassment."
- Lack of regard for civility
- Need to have the last word, though I hope s/he honors this insultingly-worded proclamation: "I will not respond further here, whether you choose to make more constructive points or to continue ranting"
- However, even if s/he does cease and desist on this page, his continued stalking/hounding/Misplaced Pages:Harrassment of me on other pages bears addressing, so I've sought assistance from Misplaced Pages's admins
Froid (talk) 17:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Heh, that decision to run off to ANI didn't work out too well or you, did it? For someone with your number of edits, it's amazing what a grammatical nightmare you are. Thank god someone like N-HH is doing the lords work here. 83.143.240.13 (talk) 12:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Dunno, didn't read the ANI decision yet. And the anonymity/tone/word choice/overall content of your post don't merit more energy/attention than I've already wasted posting this response. Froid (talk) 02:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- P.S. Second thought: if your post is any indicator of the maturity/grammatical competency/civility/professionalism/objectivity level of those participating in the ANI action, then thanks for the heads-up and drastic lowering of my expectations. Thanks, also, for the chuckle induced by the irony of how grammatically-challenged your swipe at my grammatical competency is. If this forum weren't online, then I'd pass you a tissue to wipe the foam off your mouth. Froid (talk) 11:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Dunno, didn't read the ANI decision yet. And the anonymity/tone/word choice/overall content of your post don't merit more energy/attention than I've already wasted posting this response. Froid (talk) 02:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
WikiProject Wildfire
Hello! I have recently started a new WikiProject and am trying to recruit new members. The project, WikiProject Wildfire, focuses on articles that relate to wildfires. There is a lot of work that needs to be done. From updating templates, to classifying and improving articles. Any level of commitment is welcome! If you care to just add some input on the founding of the new project, awesome. If you would like to take an active role in editing articles, that is awesome as well! Knowledge of wildfires is NOT a prerequisite for joining the project. In fact, it would be great to have some members of the project who are NOT fire-buffs. That way we make sure that articles aren't just written by and for people in the fire community. If this is something you have any interest in, I would love to have you join the project! Please feel free to join the discussion or leave me a message on my talk page. (Note that you are receiving this message from me because I saw you made multiple edits on a wildfire related page, specifically Griffith Park Fire. Not just spamming you at random.) Hope you have a great day! Zackmann08 (/What I been doing) 22:17, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- So happy to have you aboard the project! One thing I would love your assistance with right off the bat is the main project page. It is still a WIP and needs more information added. If you have any thoughts please add them. Is there anything in particular related to the project you are particularly interested in? --Zackmann08 (/What I been doing) 17:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask any of the project coordinators or any other experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome, and we are looking forward to seeing you around! Anotherclown (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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Care to explain in what way this is ""Fixing style/layout errors".--KTo288 (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- The article's history page indicates you've already made whatever changes you deemed were necessary, so I'll leave it at that. Froid (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- I'll take that as a mea culpa for a misleading edit history then.--KTo288 (talk) 22:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- If the edit history seemed misleading, that certainly was not intentional! As I stated, you seem to have already made whatever changes you deemed were necessary, and I'll leave it at that.Froid (talk) 22:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- I'll take that as a mea culpa for a misleading edit history then.--KTo288 (talk) 22:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- The article's history page indicates you've already made whatever changes you deemed were necessary, so I'll leave it at that. Froid (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Books & Bytes - Issue 18
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Issue 18, June–July 2016
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The Last Question at Hayden Planetarium
On 9 August 2015 you edited The Last Question from "It played at the Hayden Planetarium in the Boston Museum of Science and..." to:
It subsequently played, as well, at the:
- Hayden Planetarium in New York City
- Boston Museum of Science in Massachusetts
- etc.
I agree with you that it's easier to read the list of planetariums in list form rather than all in one paragraph. However, did you have any information that TLQ played at the Hayden Planetarium in New York City, as opposed to the Charles Hayden Planetarium at the Boston Museum of Science? There are actually two planetariums called Hayden, in New York and Boston, and I haven't been able to find which one TLQ played at. Lee Choquette (talk) 02:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Sun October 16: CommonsLab / Open House NY Photo Contest + Hackathon
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Books and Bytes - Issue 19
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Issue 19, September–October 2016
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- New and expanded donations - Foreign Affairs, Open Edition, and many more
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Saturday November 12: Women in Science Edit-a-thon @ NY Academy of Sciences (plus Sunday Indigenous People's Justice event)
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New York City government and public libraries
I have challenged the material you've added in your edit from March, and I intend on reverting it as it pertains to the public libraries in New York City. While they may have "public" in their name, they are private entities. A good example of this would be a charter school: it has a government charter, it receives government funding, it provides services to the public, but alas it is still private. int21h (talk · contribs · email) 04:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Saturday December 3: Contemporary Chinese Art Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim
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Carrie Fisher
Not trying to start an edit war. A lot of your grammar and style changes were not optimal, some were pretty awkward, there was even some POV added. Please see WP:BRD if you are not familiar. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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Sunday January 15: Misplaced Pages Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference
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Books and Bytes - Issue 20
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Books & Bytes
Issue 20, November-December 2016
by Nikkimaria (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs), Samwalton9 (talk · contribs)
- Partner resource expansions
- New search tool for finding TWL resources
- #1lib1ref 2017
- Wikidata Visiting Scholar
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AD reshuffle
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February 15: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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- Thank you for finding this source. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
It seems you broke the HTML code with your edit, causing a line break where there shouldnt be one. Please try again, and hoefully this time it will look better.
- I agree with needed change and already fixed it, before reading this. I respectfully add:
- Please sign your posts, in the future;
- Please link to the article in Q or indicate its title, in the future (I'm assuming you are referring to Blood Diamond but shouldn't have to assume);
- Note: Not trying to be argumentative here, but stating objective facts - it would have been more collaborative and efficient, and less wasteful if you had merely removed the inadvertently added carriage return/line break rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater with your reversion and then leaving this message.
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March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:
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- creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.
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March 11: Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon @ MoMA (and beyond!)
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Sunday March 26: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel
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Books and Bytes - Issue 21
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Issue 21, January-March 2017
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- #1lib1ref 2017
- Misplaced Pages Library User Group
- Misplaced Pages + Libraries at Wikimedia Conference 2017
- Spotlight: Library Card Platform
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April 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Page fix
Hi User:Froid, can you add some info to Maiorana article please, and the links might have to be removed, I don't want to make mistakes on article, but I'm fair sure you can help, thanks if you can.--Theo Mandela (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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Sunday May 21: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon + global online challenge
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Thanks for noticing !
Thanks for noticing the new article I created on the book The Case for Impeachment ! What do you think of the article ? Sagecandor (talk) 10:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Thursday June 22: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
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Join us for an evening of social Misplaced Pages editing at the Museum of Modern Art Library's third annual Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon, during which we will create, update, and improve Misplaced Pages articles pertaining to LGBT art, culture and history. All are invited, with no specialized knowledge of the subject or Misplaced Pages editing experience required. Themes for this event include art related to HIV/AIDS activism and on LGBTQ artists of the African Diaspora as part of the Black Lunch Table project. Experienced Wikipedians will be on-hand to assist throughout the day. Please bring your laptop and power cord; we will have library resources, WiFi, and a list of suggested topics on hand.
Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC) P.S. Stay tuned / sign up early for our Sunday June 25 Hackathon @ Ace Hotel, the Sunday July 9 Wiknic on Governors Island, and other upcoming events. | |
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Books and Bytes - Issue 22
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Books & Bytes
Issue 22, April-May 2017
- New and expanded research accounts
- Global branches update
- Spotlight: OCLC Partnership
- Bytes in brief
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July 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bradley Cooper. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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Sunday July 9: WikNYC Picnic @ Governors Island
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" on New York City's green and historic Governors Island, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.
We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 11:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC) | |
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July 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
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Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel
| Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel | |
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On the last Sunday of every month, the Boardroom at Ace Hotel New York hosts Action Equals History — a unique opportunity for New Yorkers to learn hands-on in a technology training/workshop session about the mechanics, practices and benefits of Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia projects. This is an opportunity for all to gather, share and work collectively towards a more robust account of history. For this month, we'll focus on Misplaced Pages casual editing, ways to use and develop Wikidata, building better edit-a-thon tools for a variety of different thematic campaigns, and user-testing them with the community. Towards a goal of advancing these tools for wider use with diverse local groups.
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Books and Bytes - Issue 23
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Books & Bytes
Issue 23, June-July 2017
- Library card
- User Group update
- Global branches update
- Spotlight: Combating misinformation, fake news, and censorship
- Bytes in brief
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COPYVIO
Your directly copied from here in this diff. Please fix it ASAP . Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 07:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
- Not sure you're accurately attributing that "lifting" to me, but I'm happy to have fixed it, anyway. I greatly appreciate your quality control work. Cheers. Froid (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
August 30: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
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September 27: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. This month will also feature on our agenda, upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 00:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC) | |
- P.S. On the weekend before the annual meeting, you can join: Action=History @ Ace Hotel (Sunday, September 24, 2017)
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"In popular culture" updates
Hi, I noticed you've updated several articles about the Mexican Drug War and updating them with information about the TV series on El Chapo. Would you mind adding reliable sources to your updates? I understand the information is truthful, but it still requires a citation. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please advise
- is that necessary, given my posts link to the article which is referenced? Froid (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, per WP:CIRCULAR and WP:INLINECITE. If an article cites something, the source should be there, not in another page. Please go back and re-add sources for the updates you made. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Unknown parameters
Hi, Froid. When you change the reference style from this to this, keep unknown parameters in mind. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yikes, you're absolutely right. Fixed. Froid (talk) 06:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. You didn't just fix the references, though. You reverted my changes as well. I'm not fond of single-sentence paragraphs, and, per MOS:Paragraphs, they should generally be avoided. Stating that Poundstone is asexual at the end of the Personal life section just seems like an afterthought piece. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election
Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Sunday October 15: Misplaced Pages @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition
| Sunday October 15: Misplaced Pages @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition | |
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 This event is the concluding "upload party" to the Misplaced Pages @ Open House New York Weekend photo scavenger hunt, and an accompanying Wikimedia Commons tutorial and multimedia hackathon, Learn how to work with your photos to illustrate New York City articles! Note that this is part of the larger Open House New York Weekend activities on Saturday and Sunday, when sites normally closed to the public are open for public visits and photography. If you can, bring your camera/photos to the event, and a laptop if you'd like to engage in adding photos to articles. But this is not necessary. For photos from last year's event, see the OHNY campaign 2016 on Wikimedia Commons.
Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:33, 11 October 2017 (UTC) | |
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October 18: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
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Books and Bytes - Issue 24
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Books & Bytes
Issue 24, August-September 2017
- User Group update
- Global branches update
- Star Coordinator Award - last quarter's star coordinator: User:Csisc
- Wikimania Birds of a Feather session roundup
- Spotlight: Wiki Loves Archives
- Bytes in brief
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November 2017
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Kidnapped (TV series). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted.
- If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. You have been repeatedly warned about introducing errors, or making unconstructive edits, under the guise of copyediting. N-HH warned you about this numerous times, and you were also advised of same at the ANI you opened which almost boomeranged on you. Continuing to edit in this way is disruptive, and it will result in a block. Grandpallama (talk) 16:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon (Nov 19) and global online Misplaced Pages Asian Art Month (Nov 1-30)
| Sunday November 19, 10:30 am - 4:00pm: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon | |
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 The Misplaced Pages Asian Month Edit-a-thon @ The Met will be the Metropolitan Museum of Art's second edit-a-thon, hosted on Sunday November 19, 2017 in the Bonnie Sacerdote Classroom, Ruth and Harold D. Uris Center for Education (81st Street entrance) at The Met Fifth Avenue in New York City. Following the first Met edit-a-thon in May 2017, the museum is excited to work with Misplaced Pages Asian Month for the potential to seed new articles about Asian artworks, artwork types, and art traditions, from any part of Asia. These can be illustrated with thousands of its recently-released images of public domain artworks available for Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Commons from the museum’s collection spanning 5,000 years of art. The event is an opportunity for Wikimedia communities to engage The Met's diverse Asian collections onsite and remotely.
Attendees should bring their own laptops and power cords. Light snacks, drinks and cake will be provided. We also welcome remote participation for the global online Misplaced Pages Asian Art Month, running November 1-30. Thanks, and hope to see you at the museum, and/or as part of the online Misplaced Pages Asian Month contest!--Pharos (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC) | |
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November 15: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC @ NYU ITP
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) ~~~~~ P.S. You are also invited to Misplaced Pages Asian Month Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on Sunday November 19! | |
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ArbCom 2017 election voter message
Hello, Froid. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
December 13: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
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Books and Bytes - Issue 25
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Books & Bytes
Issue 25, October – November 2017
- OAWiki & #1Lib1Ref
- User Group update
- Global branches update
- Spotlight: Research libraries and Wikimedia
- Bytes in brief
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User group for Military Historians
Greetings,
"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Misplaced Pages. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Misplaced Pages Military Historians.
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Sunday January 14: Misplaced Pages Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference
| Sunday January 14: Misplaced Pages Day NYC 2018 | |
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 You are invited to join us at Ace Hotel for Misplaced Pages Day NYC 2018, a Misplaced Pages celebration and mini-conference as part of the project's global 16th birthday festivities. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with keynotes, plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions. And there will be cake. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC) | |
This Sunday! Misplaced Pages Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference (updated speakers + schedule)
| Sunday January 14: Misplaced Pages Day NYC 2018 | |
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 Part of Misplaced Pages's global 17th birthday celebration, Misplaced Pages Day NYC 2018 at Ace Hotel will include a mini-conference of scheduled panels as well as unconference style talks and discussions proposed by attendees on the day of the event. We are very excited to announce speakers such as Jason Scott (Internet Archive), Jackie Koerner (Visiting Scholar, Wiki Ed), and Andrew Lih (Wikimedia DC), as well as a fantastic line-up of panels that highlight projects and issues of relevance to the Wikimedia NYC community. See Misplaced Pages Day NYC 2018 speakers + schedule And there will be cake. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.
We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 02:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC) | |
Books and Bytes - Issue 26
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Books & Bytes
Issue 26, December – January 2018
- #1Lib1Ref
- User Group update
- Global branches update
- Spotlight: What can we glean from OCLC’s experience with library staff learning Misplaced Pages?
- Bytes in brief
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Category:Wikipedians who like Black Mirror
Hey! I saw that you edited the article Black Mirror and thought maybe you would be interested in this new user category I created?-🐦Do☭torWho42 (⭐) 11:01 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks
February 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!
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Damage to Windows 7 article
Hello. 
It has come to my attention that unfortunately, you damaged Windows 7 article. Normally, it's okay; damage happens during bona fide editing. But... you were doing something that you weren't supposed to do in the first place.
- Starting 2014 {{Cite web}} and {{Cite news}} no longer have any semantic difference whatsoever. {{Cite news}} has some extra parameters, but other than that, changing one to another is a total waste of time and resource.
|work=and|website=are equivalent. There is absolutely no difference between them.
I am not overly concerned with what you do with your own time (waste it or use it well), but the damage was concerning.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 06:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure what you meant by "damaged"; please explain (minus the officiousness, insults, and passive-aggressive misuse of the Kiss-Kick-Kiss structure), and I'll fix actual damage (if any). FYI, pairing "cite web" with "website" always italicizes the website name, pairing "cite news" with "work", or "newspaper", or "magazine" always italicizes the news outlet's name; but other pairings do not consistently italicize the second term's name, and, consequently, news outlets whose names should be italicized (e.g., The New York Times) often aren't, therefore resulting in bona fide formatting errors. Additionally, it bears pointing out, "publisher" is not synonymous with a website or news outlet, and including a publisher's name in a citation does mean either a website's name (in "cite web" instances) or news outlet's name (in "cite news" instances) should not also be included. Therefore, what I did is actually "bona fide editing", and is neither "something wasn't supposed to do in the first place", nor a "total waste of time of time and resource".Froid (talk) 08:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Everything you wrote under "FYI" prefix is pre-2014 and outdated. Now, both {{Cite web}} and {{Cite news}} accept
|work=(a.k.a.|website=and|newspaper=) in equal capacity. Since 2014, CS1 requires all works, regardless of medium, to be italicized. It means you can give|website=to {{Cite news}} and cite a paper magazine with it! The syntax would be funny to a human, but indifferent for a machine. Here is the proof:- Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite web}},
|work=) - Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite web}},
|website=) - Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite web}},
|newspaper=) - Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite news}},
|work=) - Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite news}},
|website=) - Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite news}},
|newspaper=)
- Smith, John (1 January 2019). "A page". Example.com. ACME. (with {{Cite web}},
- Everything you wrote under "FYI" prefix is pre-2014 and outdated. Now, both {{Cite web}} and {{Cite news}} accept
- Everytghing you wrote after "Additionally" is correct! I am glad you know them. And yet, please look at revision 828016840:
- You have changed "
|publisher=BetaNews, Inc. |work=BetaNews" into "|website=BetaNews, Inc.", which is contrary to what you wrote. (It was correct before your edit but "|work=BetaNews" is also okay.) - Next, you changed "
|publisher=Microsoft" into "|website=Microsoft", which is more wrong. The perfect version is: "|work=News Center |publisher=Microsoft". (Or "|website=News Center |publisher=Microsoft". As I said before, no difference.) - In the subsequent line, there are a lot of instances in which you changed "cite web" into "cite news". This is neither good nor bad. It has zero impact.
Hence, the waste of the time (which is totally yours)but you ended up changing "<ref name=thurrottfaq>{{cite web" into "<ref name=thurrottfaq>{{cite webnews". This one is not okay. So, when you go chaning "Cite web" into "Cite news", if do it well, you didn't do anything positive and if you don't do it well, you have done damage.
- You have changed "
- Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 13:50, 28 February 2018 (UTC)- Update: I said it is your business whether you waste time doing inconsequential edits like changing
|work=to|website=. I was wrong. ArbCom blocks people who do stuff like this. Read about it in MOS:STABILITY's fineprint. —Codename Lisa (talk) 13:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Update: I said it is your business whether you waste time doing inconsequential edits like changing
- Everytghing you wrote after "Additionally" is correct! I am glad you know them. And yet, please look at revision 828016840: