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References to use. Erik (talk | contrib) 22:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

What specific content are you proposing to add from these? Or are you just aggregating some sources for other editors to use in developing proposals? VictorD7 (talk) 18:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm just listing references that could potentially be used here. I find that over time, references can be harder to find if one does not know what to look for. It's easier to list them as they appear. I'm doing the same thing with Wolf Totem (film); see Talk:Wolf Totem (film)#References to use. Erik (talk | contrib) 18:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
In that case, do you mind if I add some to the list, starting with these (added below)? VictorD7 (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
hmm, i thought WMD and theblaze were both blacklisted... -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources for CinemaScore

The sources being referenced for this rating by Cinemascore don't meet Misplaced Pages's reliability and verifiability standards. For the same reasoning we don't include sources that link back to Misplaced Pages, these sources are even worse because they don't link to anything at all. Furthermore, from Cinemascore's own website: "If you can't find your movie, it was not polled by CinemaScore." The tags should not be removed until reliable and verifiable sources can substantiate the claim or the claim is removed, as per Misplaced Pages policy.Scoobydunk (talk) 07:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Upon further research, it appears the claim originated from Deadline Hollywood and no sources are supplied or given to verify the information. Clearly the Cinemascore was never actually published or released.Scoobydunk (talk) 07:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I was going to say to keep it until we can validate it further, but I couldn't find CinemaScore grades for D'Souza's other films either, either on the CinemaScore website or elsewhere online. A little surprised there was no refutation from CinemaScore about this one, especially with a bold "A+" grade claim. Here is the diff in case more information ever comes out. Erik (talk | contrib) 13:14, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Scoobydunk, reviewing TheWrap, it says, "Audiences loved the film, giving it a rare 'A+' CinemaScore, and 92 percent gave it a 'definite recommend' in exit polls." The second part makes me question taking out the content since it is a rather specific detail. It does not seem likely that CinemaScore never polled audiences, more that for whatever reason, the film is omitted from their database. Perhaps we could re-include the content but leave it out of the lead section and have the Film School Rejects commentary to pose the question? I may try to message journalists who reported on the grade to see if they can investigate the matter at all. Erik (talk | contrib) 00:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Actually, to add on, the article states later on, "The audience was split nearly evenly in terms of gender but skewed older, with 69 percent over the age of 55. They were mainly Caucasian (93 percent) and 82 percent of those polled described themselves as 'very or somewhat religious.'" This is the kind of demographic detail that CinemaScore provides. I'm even more keen to re-include it since there is less and less doubt that the information is dubious. Erik (talk | contrib) 00:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Erik,I appreciate you taking my concerns seriously. How about we adjust the sentence to say "According to Cinemascore exit polling, audiences gave the film an A+ rating, though the score doesn't appear on the Cinemascore website." Then we can put both sources. I'm also fine with dumping the "though the score doesn't appear on the Cinemascore website." though I prefer it. My main concern is that the article doesn't infer the comparison to movies that are actually listed on Cinemascore with an A+ rating since this only seems to be based on exit polling. For whatever reason, the polling didn't make it to the official website and didn't receive an official score from Cinemascore. At least, there's no evidence that it did. Let me know what you think.Scoobydunk (talk) 06:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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