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I-Ban request

Sigh ...

Thanks for trying, We hope. Unfortunately the admin you approached has demonstrated in the past that any attack made on me is acceptable - this was despite it being known the IP was a blocked troll who was crowing and admitting to it off-wiki. I note that the instruction is that you are expected to be apologizing to him (the other user) for the (your) comments, yet the other user is not even reprimanded let alone expected to apologise. This is simply an encouragement for the user to continue with his behaviour - but I guess that is now the way of Misplaced Pages? SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Sagaciousphil, We hope: If you want to talk about this and discuss your thoughts and input with me, my door is completely open and I would like to do so and try and help in any way. Just start a new discussion on my talk page - let's talk. ~Oshwah~ 09:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I actually thought one of my main points was made above? The last time I tried to discuss on your talk page it was pointless, wasn't it? Why is this any likely to be different? Still nothing done regarding the other user? No, I thought not. Thanks but I have content to write, which no doubt after I've spent a lot of time, money and effort to produce a drive-by will arrive to insist an IB be added. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

It's done. I will "apologize" to the editor when Hades freezes over and all his deceased friends and relatives pop up and begin ice skating. I participated in the conversation with him AFTER his "hypocrisy" and "attack dog against me whilst Cassianto's on his best behaviour".removed attacks on OTHERS asked admin help. Then I was told replying to him at AN re: an earlier issue was "stalking" him, trying to "pull a stunt" to "silence the opposition" by the PA removals. The "attack dog" question brought the following response from him The reply was a personal attack that focused on the contributor (me), rather than the substance of my arguments, but you knew that." I responded to this with "BULLSHIT!", When he remarked, my reply was "Merely following your lead." The discussion stopped being civil when his "attack dog" remarks were made. I am not the one who began the PAs, so there's nothing to apologize for.

I went into this trying to stop the abuse and it happens every time User:Cassianto participates in a box discussion. The other editor "magically" appears and participates in this way. It's happened more times than coincidence allows. He accuses others of pulling stunts and gaslighting against the opposition, but apparently it's perfectly fine with him to pop up and begin insulting on a regular basis in those discuaaions. I have no further content to create-text or visual because I won't continue working here. We hope (talk) 11:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see this has driven you away, We hope, but can understand and share your frustration. It's interesting to note that in this comment while discussing PAs etc the admin is admitting to being selective as to who should be reprimanded - I guess that's again endorsing he feels I can be targeted? SagaciousPhil - Chat 06:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The admin help was closed saying the help desired wasn't noted. ;) I certainly would have rather spent my time doing something else, but did not like the PAs coming from this editor; they were no surprise given past discussions. I now find that my time is better spent away from Misplaced Pages. Let's see-70%+ of your time here is spent in mainspace, Close to 80% of my time here was spent on content creation. The editor who called you an "attack dog" has spent just under 33% of his time in mainspace editing. It can't be the amount of time you spend here or where you spend it that's the deciding factor here. Let's try again for an explanation since you continue to work here. user:Oshwah We hope (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! I just saw that you pinged me in your response here. How can I help? Also, to briefly try and explain: The edit I looked into was this one that Jcc made that you removed part of the content from. I also noted and commented on the responses you made in return. I didn't comment on your follow-up messages to imply that I wasn't going to help you further, but you must understand that when you start responding to personal attacks and incivility with the same thing back that it only makes the situation worse, never better. I understand that you were frustrated - I really do, but I have to make sure that when looking into issues that I address all problematic edits and behaviors, not just the ones that the reporting user mentions. I didn't get farther than this due to your reply on my talk page. What would you like to do? What would you like me to do? ~Oshwah~ 17:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps user:Sagaciousphil has some requests since he/she was called an "attack dog". I was only told I was stalking the editor, "pulling a stunt" to try to "silence the opposition" and "gaslighting", who didn't decide he'd received a PA until AFTER the removal of his PA and my request for help. Bringing user: Cassianto into this for his thoughts because it seems to me that every time he's discussing infoboxes, he's promptly "joined" by the editor in question. We hope (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi We hope. I noticed your user page. I do not think it conforms with Misplaced Pages:ARBINFOBOX; I think it is perfectly fine to have reasoned opposition to the universal use of infoboxes but I think this is taking it too far. Would you mind changing it? --John (talk) 07:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes-it's been that way since 2016, so funny you're concerned about it now. I want it as is. We hope (talk) 12:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

That's unfortunate. What would you like to do next? John (talk) 13:20, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Leave after ArbCom is done; not naive enough to put any more work into this place. We hope (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Well of course you are welcome to leave any time. In the meantime though I don't think you can have this on your user page. --John (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Does this mean that Callenecc was wrong when he protected it in September 2016? We hope (talk) 13:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I've no idea. I'd prefer if you removed it. If you won't remove it, I will. If I remove it and you restore it, I'll take it to the community and see if there is a consensus for sanctions under Misplaced Pages:ARBINFOBOX. See what you think. --John (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

John, there's nothing wrong with that user page and if you edit it against the wishes of the user, I will revert you myself. WP:ARBINFOBOX pertains to article space info boxes. fish&karate 12:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Block

You have been blocked for 24 hours, as explained at the WP:AN discussion. Fram (talk) 14:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Contest toolkit image

Hi, can you or Megalibrarygirl make me an image of a toolbox and some sort of contest theme all in one as a sort of logo to go in the top right of Misplaced Pages:Contests/Toolkit?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:56, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

A page you started (Renee Harris (producer)) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Renee Harris (producer), We hope!

Misplaced Pages editor Cwmhiraeth just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

A very comprehensive article, but rather overladen with unnecessary detail. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

To reply, leave a comment on Cwmhiraeth's talk page.

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Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions closed

An arbitration case regarding civility in infobox discussions has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Any uninvolved administrator may apply infobox probation as a discretionary sanction. See the full decision for details of infobox probation.
2. Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes.
3. Cassianto is indefinitely placed on infobox probation.
4. The Arbitration Committee recommends that well-publicized community discussions be held to address whether to adopt a policy or guideline addressing what factors should weigh in favor of or against including an infobox in a given article and how those factors should be weighted.
5. All editors are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions about infoboxes, and to not turn discussions about a single article's infobox into a discussion about infoboxes in general.
6. For canvassing editors to this case, Volvlogia (talk · contribs) is admonished. They are warned that any further instances of canvassing related to arbitration processes will likely result in sanctions.

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions closed

For the arbitration committee, GoldenRing (talk) 08:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments

After repeated harassment by an editor who brought a complaint to the Committee, I hid my e-mail and asked for an I-Ban. When it appeared I would have no official help with the problem, I realized the solution to this harassment was to leave. I made the edit linked in the previous sentence and signed out on 25 January.

The 25 January edit was my last time on site until now. It's surprising to see a case I was never notified about was ended. My talk page history shows no notice of the case given, so as a party to the case, I was never notified that there would be one.

The case I was party to but never notified of placed Cassianto under infobox probation. While there is language providing for the addition of an infobox, there are no provisions to allow the editor to deal with the unwanted addition of an infobox on articles he/she has created/improved/expanded. This holds true for anyone who may be placed under this restriction.

Discretionary sanctions have been added; this has brought out the "Wild Wild West" in some people perhaps selectively applying the templates. Some of the dust seems to have settled with one of the editors becoming inactive thereafter.

All of this can lead to some possible scenarios. One is the idea that if an editor doesn't write or improve articles, no one can then demand a box be placed on them. Many editors have spent considerable time and effort on given articles, especially those which have been taken to FA or GA status. If an editor is hounded repeatedly about a box, the editor may decide to say to hell with article X. This editor may stop curating or maintaining these articles, doing necessary work like fixing dead links, etc. Given time and inattention, the article's quality may degrade and in the case of GA and FA works, may lead to their delisting. The editor may opt to end the frustration by leaving Misplaced Pages. None of these philosophies improve the encyclopedia by any means, but they do keep the peace that appears to be so sought after.

I also see that Dr. Blofeld has retired as a result of a declined case request which began here as "Dr. Blofeld's old copyright violations".

By no matter of means do the festivities end here. Another editor who requested deletion of a user page she began has it overruled by someone else; there is a marathon of moving it back and forth from user space to main space. When a previously non-controversial edit can earn one a talk page template and the constant concern of inadvertently being blocked or banned, your good faith text contributions can get you taken through the mud, when an editor's deletion requests are overruled by the self-appointed Wiki Police who were apparently watching your edits or there likely would have been no knowledge of your G-7, as well as the previous harassment and being a party but not notified there was a case to close, I can find no reason to continue trying to work here. I was here just short of eight years and have never been taken to either ANI or AN for my actions. I can live nicely without Misplaced Pages; I can't live with it given its present state. There appears to be the matter of a long-standing COI I am aware of but cannot post due to the possibility of outing. If the Committee has interest, I can e-mail the information as I see I will not need to re-open my e-mail to do so. We hope (talk) 12:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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