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R9tgokunks

R9tgokunks is now fully aware of the editing restrictions existing in this area and is expected to edit accordingly. --NeilN 04:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning R9tgokunks User who is submitting this request for enforcement Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested R9tgokunks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#General 1RR restriction Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 06:13, 31 March 2018 - original authorship. 06:18, 31 March 2018 - revert 1. 04:27, 1 April 2018 - revert 2. Please note the edit summary "Reverted test edit." which I have a hard time to AGF. 10:14, 1 April 2018 - request to self revert on user talk page. 21:27, 1 April 2018 - response by user on talk page - rejecting the request to self revert, calling it " incredibly inappropriate and amounts to WP:WIKIHOUNDING". The sequence above has two forbidden reverts per ARBPIA 1RR - the first an "original authorship" violation (which is, perhaps, a finer policy point), the second is a plain simple revert - a straight up violation, coupled with a problematical edit summary. There are also decorum/civility issues with the response. Yigael Yadin - a Haganah military leader and chief of staff of the IDF (active 1932-52 - through much of the early conflict) is clearly ARBPIA related. Also relevant, a prior 1RR incident. The 1RR may not be sanctionable as done immediately prior to the DS alert, however the user's response to the DS alert and request to self-revert are relevant regarding decorum and civility (and would fall under the DS regime as it is after the alert): 03:28, 28 March 2018 - revert1. 01:38, 29 March 2018 - revert2. 18:01, 29 March 2018 - revert3. 18:09, 29 March 2018 - request to self revert. 20:27, 29 March 2018 - response by user my talk page - rejecting the request and among other statements calling this "ridiculous and misleading" and "threatening". If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) 18:08, 29 March 2018 - DS alert. Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Additional comments by editor filing complaint As I was accused of wiki hounding (even though my interaction with this user has been quite limited) and since this is relevant to the nature of the edits here, I got to these articles following a NPOV/n post by R9tgokunks. I was particularly concerned by this diff in which Haifa was incorrectly described as Palestinian territories (it was part of Mandatory Palestine - however never part of the West Bank or Gaza!), which R9tgokunks described as non-neutral (saying that the redaction of Palestinian territories was incorrect). This led me into some of these pages (e.g. Ireland–Israel relations). As the 1RR restriction was applied directly by the Arbitration Committee it is not subject to the special awareness criteria for page-level sanctions. In any event, the user was amply notified by a request on their talk-page. RE R9tgokunks stmt below: I did not remove the information from the article, I challenged whether this technicality (who (and when) was in control of Jerusalem in 1917 (I will note Jerusalem was not in the lede - just "Ottoman born" - a phrase I believe isn't used on Misplaced Pages (or for the most part elsewhere) to describe people born in Ottoman Palestine)) was lede worthy, and whether a one sentence lede should highlight this aspect. I did not modify the infobox or category (which probably technically (though arguable given the dissolving state of affairs) was a correct cat for a few months). Had R9tgokunks responded in a more civil manner (even if still uncivil) or asked me why I had made this request on their TP - I would have gladly explained. However as I was told my request was inappropriate and tantamount to wikihounding and previously told this was threatening (to which I responded civilly ) - I felt that I was highly unwelcome on R9tgokunks's talk page - it seems my friendly request was treated as harassment - and that further posts there would be seen in the same light. Mediation was not required for a clear redline 1rr.Icewhiz (talk) 04:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC) RE RE - regarding the claims below (which seem to be WP:NPA) - per the editor interaction tool our interaction has been quite minimal, and had been prompted by the NPOV/n noticeboard discussion (which is intended to get un-involved editors involved). Calling a DS alert, and 2 polite requests to self-revert following 1RR issues - as "It feels like intense intimidation and bullying" is an issue in and of itself.Icewhiz (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested notified Discussion concerning R9tgokunks Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by R9tgokunks It is highly inappropriate and misleading that user is trying to bring up numerous edits I made BEFORE being privy to sanctions on the two articles. This whole thing stems from there there were not being notices of sanctions on the articles when I edited them. I was also mostly unaware/unclear on sanctions to articles on the A-I conflict. I am still unclear why they apply to Ireland-Israel relations, the first one I was warned about. I also had no idea the closeness of Yigael Yadin to the A-I conflict/sanctions. 1. After being warned of 1RR for Ireland-Israel relations, I STOPPED editing. (TP warning) 2. I also STOPPED editing at Yigael Yadin after it's warning. (TP warning) I have not edited Israel-related articles since then; 2 days ago; and Icewhiz has not taken part in discussion on my TP that was started yesterday, where @Bellezzasolo: has been attempting to mediate. Icewhiz also claims to have had "minimal interaction" with me. This is false. In the past week he has reverted at least 4 of my edits on at least 3 articles (1, 2, 3) & commented on post I made to NPOV noticeboard and ANI, as well as leaving 3 TP messages and filing this report. It was accused in private emails to myself from 2 other users who saw my ANI post that they believe user has a history of wikihounding, and POV-based editing, so I backed off and decided not to deal with the user as much as I could, aside from my talk page. (I have tried to make all afforementioned edits to these articles per this incident in which an IP made clearly biased edits. After this, Icewhiz seemed to patrol my edits on Israel topics, which I felt was intimidating. I complained about this at above ANI post, but retracted complaint within 1-2 hours, right after recieving the emails.) I'm Jewish, but my goal was/is truth/removing POV and adding facts. For instance, Cakerzing reverted this because IP was making other disruptions. But I did research and found IP was right. I amendened it, and Icewhiz somehow disagreed, which removed a fact from the article. I reverted & assumed it was a "test" per WP:Assumegoodfaith, which I have increasingly tried hard to do with this user. I did not look into the subject of the article so I didn't know Yadin was closely associated with the conflict. All I looked to do was include the fact that he was born in the Ottoman Empire. Also, I felt that the first instance of warning me for my reversions of the IP + Icewhiz's addition of the unencyclopedic WP:WEASELWORD "alleged" here was unwarranted. My additional rationale was that the content dealt with had nothing explicitly to do with the A-I conflict, but Israel-Ireland. I assumed user was initially giving a false warning. It wasnt until my second complaint about User, after the edits that other users started to actually clarify to me more in depth, and that I was able to fully understand the sanctions rulings more clearly. I have not edited on those articles since then out of trying to adhere to this, but also out of lack of wanting confrontation and fear that User will try to continue to to incorrectly single out my edits as malicious. Now I will be avoiding the content pretty much entirely. I didn't understand fully at first, but now that it has been clarified to me, I assume 1RR on any article on Israel per the feedback & sanctions, which I have ceased editing as of 2 days ago. R9tgokunks ✡ 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Re:Icewhiz comment 1.The claim that he did not remove info is false per this edit. 2.After the constant reversions, following of my edits, and the messages to my talk page, it was hard to assume good faith. It feels like intense intimidation and bullying, especially after the emails I got about him. Statement by Bellezzasolo I've been trying to mediate this dispute on R9tgokunks' talk page. My understanding of the issue is a disagreement on the meaning of this amendment. Icewhiz understands it as not appertaining to restrictions directly imposed by ARBCOM, R9tgokunks is expecting an edit notice on pages under sanctions. Per WP:ACDS#Authorisation, my understanding of this amendment is that an edit notice must be placed, however that is only my personal interpretation- clearly there is some confusion on the matter. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 11:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Capitals00 Reverting constructive edit as "test edit", is clearly misleading. Capitals00 (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Cbs527 It doesn't appear this is a enforceable offense. There shouldn't be any confusion - Arab-Israeli conflict-related pages fall under standard discretionary sanctions. "Palestine-Israel articles - Standard discretionary sanctions". The 1RR restriction stated in the complaint was an amendment to this sanction. Per Arbcom motion enacted January 15, 2018, Editors who ignore or breach page restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator provided that, at the time the editor ignored or breached a page restriction: 1. The editor was aware of discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict, and 2. There was an edit notice (ds/editnotice) on the restricted page which specified the page restriction. There was not a (ds/editnotice) on the page at the time of the 1RR violation which is required before sanctions can be issued. WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts clearly states in addition to editor receiving an alert "There are additional requirements in place when sanctioning editors for breaching page restrictions." The "additional requirements" links to the requirement for the (ds/editnotice) WP:AC/DS#Page restrictions. @GoldenRing: Thank you for for the clarification. CBS527 23:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning R9tgokunks This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. I've dropped a note at the editor's TP, but I'll repeat some of it here. Editnotices are required when an admin places page restrictions on a specific page using the authorisation of discretionary sanctions. 1RR on Palestinian-Israeli conflict topics is not that sort of restriction and no editnotice is required. While the text at ARBPIA3 has lost the "without warning" qualification, this editor has been warned repeatedly and is not accepting that they are at fault; I'd suggest a 48-hour block. GoldenRing (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC) @Cbs527: See my comment above. The 1RR restriction on ARBPIA topics is not a "page restriction" as is meant in that amendment, though I think we're going to have to take up with the committee the amount of confusion this is causing. GoldenRing (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Agree with User:GoldenRing. The Arbcom-imposed 1RR applies to all articles in the topic area: "Each editor is limited to one revert per page per 24 hours on any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." In practice, when enforcing this it is worthwhile being sure that the user knows about the 1RR. From what people are saying above, the user was aware of the 1RR. ~~Though R9tgokunks has not yet reponded at AE~~ They have stated on their talk page 'there are no mentions on those articles of sanctions'. By those articles he must be referring to Yigael Yadin. Since Yadin served as the chief of staff of the Israeli army and was a high official in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the page would easily fall under Arbcom's definition of being 'reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict'. EdJohnston (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Updated my comment to reflect that R9tgokunks has now responded at AE. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Note that I have removed replies by R9tgokunks in nearly every section of this report but his own. Per the big red notice at the top of this page, statements must be made in your own section. GoldenRing (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC) There are two sets of reverts presented. Contrary to what Icewhiz seems to state, the second set of reverts on Ireland–Israel relations is not a 1RR incident even if R9tgokunks had been alerted. Their first two reverts were reverting an IP and are therefore exempt as they were (unknowingly) enforcing the General Prohibition. The first set of reverts did violate ARBPIA3 but it's easy to see why that mistake was made, given the content. I also note that R9tgokunks did not re-revert after being reverted later the same day. I suggest this report will serve as a wake up call and R9tgokunks is now fully aware of how careful they have be when editing in this area, even with the absence of article/talk page notices. I recommend no block be levied but if one is still felt required by fellow admins that it be no more than 48 hours. --NeilN 21:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC) If there's no objection forthcoming, I will be closing this with "R9tgokunks is now fully aware of the editing restrictions existing in this area and is expected to edit accordingly." --NeilN 13:45, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

R9tgokunks is now fully aware of the editing restrictions existing in this area and is expected to edit accordingly. --NeilN 04:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning R9tgokunks

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: R9tgokunks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#General 1RR restriction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

06:13, 31 March 2018 - original authorship.
06:18, 31 March 2018 - revert 1.
04:27, 1 April 2018 - revert 2. Please note the edit summary "Reverted test edit." which I have a hard time to AGF.
10:14, 1 April 2018 - request to self revert on user talk page.
21:27, 1 April 2018 - response by user on talk page - rejecting the request to self revert, calling it " incredibly inappropriate and amounts to WP:WIKIHOUNDING".

The sequence above has two forbidden reverts per ARBPIA 1RR - the first an "original authorship" violation (which is, perhaps, a finer policy point), the second is a plain simple revert - a straight up violation, coupled with a problematical edit summary. There are also decorum/civility issues with the response. Yigael Yadin - a Haganah military leader and chief of staff of the IDF (active 1932-52 - through much of the early conflict) is clearly ARBPIA related.

Also relevant, a prior 1RR incident. The 1RR may not be sanctionable as done immediately prior to the DS alert, however the user's response to the DS alert and request to self-revert are relevant regarding decorum and civility (and would fall under the DS regime as it is after the alert):

03:28, 28 March 2018 - revert1.
01:38, 29 March 2018 - revert2.
18:01, 29 March 2018 - revert3.
18:09, 29 March 2018 - request to self revert.
20:27, 29 March 2018 - response by user my talk page - rejecting the request and among other statements calling this "ridiculous and misleading" and "threatening".

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

18:08, 29 March 2018 - DS alert.

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

As I was accused of wiki hounding (even though my interaction with this user has been quite limited) and since this is relevant to the nature of the edits here, I got to these articles following a NPOV/n post by R9tgokunks. I was particularly concerned by this diff in which Haifa was incorrectly described as Palestinian territories (it was part of Mandatory Palestine - however never part of the West Bank or Gaza!), which R9tgokunks described as non-neutral (saying that the redaction of Palestinian territories was incorrect). This led me into some of these pages (e.g. Ireland–Israel relations).

As the 1RR restriction was applied directly by the Arbitration Committee it is not subject to the special awareness criteria for page-level sanctions. In any event, the user was amply notified by a request on their talk-page.

RE R9tgokunks stmt below:

I did not remove the information from the article, I challenged whether this technicality (who (and when) was in control of Jerusalem in 1917 (I will note Jerusalem was not in the lede - just "Ottoman born" - a phrase I believe isn't used on Misplaced Pages (or for the most part elsewhere) to describe people born in Ottoman Palestine)) was lede worthy, and whether a one sentence lede should highlight this aspect. I did not modify the infobox or category (which probably technically (though arguable given the dissolving state of affairs) was a correct cat for a few months).
Had R9tgokunks responded in a more civil manner (even if still uncivil) or asked me why I had made this request on their TP - I would have gladly explained. However as I was told my request was inappropriate and tantamount to wikihounding and previously told this was threatening (to which I responded civilly ) - I felt that I was highly unwelcome on R9tgokunks's talk page - it seems my friendly request was treated as harassment - and that further posts there would be seen in the same light. Mediation was not required for a clear redline 1rr.Icewhiz (talk) 04:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

RE RE - regarding the claims below (which seem to be WP:NPA) - per the editor interaction tool our interaction has been quite minimal, and had been prompted by the NPOV/n noticeboard discussion (which is intended to get un-involved editors involved). Calling a DS alert, and 2 polite requests to self-revert following 1RR issues - as "It feels like intense intimidation and bullying" is an issue in and of itself.Icewhiz (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

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Discussion concerning R9tgokunks

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Statement by R9tgokunks

It is highly inappropriate and misleading that user is trying to bring up numerous edits I made BEFORE being privy to sanctions on the two articles. This whole thing stems from there there were not being notices of sanctions on the articles when I edited them. I was also mostly unaware/unclear on sanctions to articles on the A-I conflict. I am still unclear why they apply to Ireland-Israel relations, the first one I was warned about. I also had no idea the closeness of Yigael Yadin to the A-I conflict/sanctions.

1. After being warned of 1RR for Ireland-Israel relations, I STOPPED editing. (TP warning)

2. I also STOPPED editing at Yigael Yadin after it's warning. (TP warning)

I have not edited Israel-related articles since then; 2 days ago; and Icewhiz has not taken part in discussion on my TP that was started yesterday, where @Bellezzasolo: has been attempting to mediate. Icewhiz also claims to have had "minimal interaction" with me. This is false. In the past week he has reverted at least 4 of my edits on at least 3 articles (1, 2, 3) & commented on post I made to NPOV noticeboard and ANI, as well as leaving 3 TP messages and filing this report. It was accused in private emails to myself from 2 other users who saw my ANI post that they believe user has a history of wikihounding, and POV-based editing, so I backed off and decided not to deal with the user as much as I could, aside from my talk page. (I have tried to make all afforementioned edits to these articles per this incident in which an IP made clearly biased edits. After this, Icewhiz seemed to patrol my edits on Israel topics, which I felt was intimidating. I complained about this at above ANI post, but retracted complaint within 1-2 hours, right after recieving the emails.)

I'm Jewish, but my goal was/is truth/removing POV and adding facts. For instance, Cakerzing reverted this because IP was making other disruptions. But I did research and found IP was right. I amendened it, and Icewhiz somehow disagreed, which removed a fact from the article. I reverted & assumed it was a "test" per WP:Assumegoodfaith, which I have increasingly tried hard to do with this user. I did not look into the subject of the article so I didn't know Yadin was closely associated with the conflict. All I looked to do was include the fact that he was born in the Ottoman Empire. Also, I felt that the first instance of warning me for my reversions of the IP + Icewhiz's addition of the unencyclopedic WP:WEASELWORD "alleged" here was unwarranted. My additional rationale was that the content dealt with had nothing explicitly to do with the A-I conflict, but Israel-Ireland. I assumed user was initially giving a false warning.

It wasnt until my second complaint about User, after the edits that other users started to actually clarify to me more in depth, and that I was able to fully understand the sanctions rulings more clearly. I have not edited on those articles since then out of trying to adhere to this, but also out of lack of wanting confrontation and fear that User will try to continue to to incorrectly single out my edits as malicious. Now I will be avoiding the content pretty much entirely. I didn't understand fully at first, but now that it has been clarified to me, I assume 1RR on any article on Israel per the feedback & sanctions, which I have ceased editing as of 2 days ago. R9tgokunks ✡ 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Re:Icewhiz comment

1.The claim that he did not remove info is false per this edit.

2.After the constant reversions, following of my edits, and the messages to my talk page, it was hard to assume good faith. It feels like intense intimidation and bullying, especially after the emails I got about him.

Statement by Bellezzasolo

I've been trying to mediate this dispute on R9tgokunks' talk page. My understanding of the issue is a disagreement on the meaning of this amendment. Icewhiz understands it as not appertaining to restrictions directly imposed by ARBCOM, R9tgokunks is expecting an edit notice on pages under sanctions. Per WP:ACDS#Authorisation, my understanding of this amendment is that an edit notice must be placed, however that is only my personal interpretation- clearly there is some confusion on the matter. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 11:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Capitals00

Reverting constructive edit as "test edit", is clearly misleading. Capitals00 (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Cbs527

It doesn't appear this is a enforceable offense. There shouldn't be any confusion - Arab-Israeli conflict-related pages fall under standard discretionary sanctions. "Palestine-Israel articles - Standard discretionary sanctions". The 1RR restriction stated in the complaint was an amendment to this sanction.

Per Arbcom motion enacted January 15, 2018,

Editors who ignore or breach page restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator provided that, at the time the editor ignored or breached a page restriction:

1. The editor was aware of discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict, and

2. There was an edit notice (ds/editnotice) on the restricted page which specified the page restriction.

There was not a (ds/editnotice) on the page at the time of the 1RR violation which is required before sanctions can be issued. WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts clearly states in addition to editor receiving an alert "There are additional requirements in place when sanctioning editors for breaching page restrictions." The "additional requirements" links to the requirement for the (ds/editnotice) WP:AC/DS#Page restrictions.

@GoldenRing: Thank you for for the clarification. CBS527 23:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning R9tgokunks

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I've dropped a note at the editor's TP, but I'll repeat some of it here. Editnotices are required when an admin places page restrictions on a specific page using the authorisation of discretionary sanctions. 1RR on Palestinian-Israeli conflict topics is not that sort of restriction and no editnotice is required. While the text at ARBPIA3 has lost the "without warning" qualification, this editor has been warned repeatedly and is not accepting that they are at fault; I'd suggest a 48-hour block. GoldenRing (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cbs527: See my comment above. The 1RR restriction on ARBPIA topics is not a "page restriction" as is meant in that amendment, though I think we're going to have to take up with the committee the amount of confusion this is causing. GoldenRing (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Agree with User:GoldenRing. The Arbcom-imposed 1RR applies to all articles in the topic area: "Each editor is limited to one revert per page per 24 hours on any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." In practice, when enforcing this it is worthwhile being sure that the user knows about the 1RR. From what people are saying above, the user *was* aware of the 1RR. ~~Though R9tgokunks has not yet reponded at AE~~ They have stated on their talk page 'there are no mentions on those articles of sanctions'. By those articles he must be referring to Yigael Yadin. Since Yadin served as the chief of staff of the Israeli army and was a high official in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the page would easily fall under Arbcom's definition of being 'reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict'. EdJohnston (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Updated my comment to reflect that R9tgokunks has now responded at AE. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Note that I have removed replies by R9tgokunks in nearly every section of this report but his own. Per the big red notice at the top of this page, statements must be made in your own section. GoldenRing (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
There are two sets of reverts presented. Contrary to what Icewhiz seems to state, the second set of reverts on Ireland–Israel relations is not a 1RR incident even if R9tgokunks had been alerted. Their first two reverts were reverting an IP and are therefore exempt as they were (unknowingly) enforcing the General Prohibition. The first set of reverts did violate ARBPIA3 but it's easy to see why that mistake was made, given the content. I also note that R9tgokunks did not re-revert after being reverted later the same day. I suggest this report will serve as a wake up call and R9tgokunks is now fully aware of how careful they have be when editing in this area, even with the absence of article/talk page notices. I recommend no block be levied but if one is still felt required by fellow admins that it be no more than 48 hours. --NeilN 21:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

If there's no objection forthcoming, I will be closing this with "R9tgokunks is now fully aware of the editing restrictions existing in this area and is expected to edit accordingly." --NeilN 13:45, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Nishidani

No action taken. I remind Nishidani and יניב הורון to keep calm and remember that talk pages are not to be used as a forum for one's general views about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its actors. Sandstein 11:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Nishidani User who is submitting this request for enforcement No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Nishidani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, specifically Decorum and Editors reminded. Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 20:50, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below 22:33, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 12 May 2009 Indef topic banned in the first Arbcom PIA ruling. ...Dozens of visits to this board... 7 Oct 2016 Warned about incivility 1 June 2017 Topic banned for one month due to personal attacks If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above. Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above. Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict. See above. Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months. See above. Additional comments by editor filing complaint Nishidani received an indef topic ban in the first Arbcom PIA ruling for "repeated and extensive edit-warring, as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith". A couple of years later the topic ban was lifted, under the assumption future such behavior will be dealt with on this board. See . Since then he has been reported here literally dozens of times for the exact same behavior. In the first diff above, he tells an editor he is "spout nonsense" which is a clear personal attack. He then goes on to say that the other editor is a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" by a "elephantine wastrel sponger", based solely on the other editor's nationality, personalizing their dispute. By the way, does BLP apply to editors? If yes I'd say calling someone the beneficiary of misappropriated funds is probably a BLP violation as well. In the second diff he says an editor has a "conflict of interest" because of his nationality, and he can't judge if the other editor is acting neutrally based on this alleged conflict of interest and then goes on to say that Zionism is "all about" "Israel's right to be uniquely exempt from standard norms or judgements" as the motivation for other editors' arguments. A longer topic ban than last time (less than a year ago) seem to be appropriate. @Bishonen, that's an interesting interpretation. So who do you think he was referring to as "beneficiaries" "playing the meme" "before audiences that acrually study the facts" in this context? Who are the "audiences that study the facts" in the context of him explaining what "the facts" are? It's pretty obvious he was taking a dig at the Israeli editor he was discussing with because of his interlocutor's nationality. Is that allowed? Ynhockey was not acting as an admin, so whether he's supposed to be a tender blossom or not is irrelevant. No comment on what "Zionism is all about" after identifying two opposing editors by their Israeli nationality? Perhaps you don't hear the dog-whistles because you don't know much about this topic area, as you said. Here's another one from an article that popped into my watchlist - I see the inevitable POV eraser Shrike has just struck again, without a rational thought. I assume calling someone a "POV peddler""POV eraser" who acts "without a rational thought" by someone with multiple topic bans and warnings for this kind of behavior would be frowned upon? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)corrected quotation errorNo More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC) @Dan Murphy, only problem is that he wasn't responding to that, he was responding to this. You can tell not only by the indentation, but also by how he mimics the other editor's language, the argument that was "copy and pasted" was that the protests are a cover for terrorist attacks, and then he focused on the money issue. All direct responses to the post I mentioned as part of this complaint, not the one you posted below. I thought this was obvious but apparently not. I hope the admins who commented below are reading this and will reconsider. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC) @Lankiveil, FWIW I have no problem deferring this until Nishidani returns to editing and/or makes what he considers a complete response to the complaint, as long as nobody argues any relevant information became "stale" from the delay. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC) ~~@GoldenRing:, I'm sorry, but your analysis is flawed. The sequence of events is as follows (see: )~~ Nishidani starts off with a couple of paragraphs of SOAP about Israel and massacres etc, but includes two valid points, 1. Hamas' motivation and 2. the general economic situation in Gaza. יניב הורון responded that how Hamas uses its funds is relevant to the economic situation in Gaza, and also showed a source with another POV about Hamas' motivation (which is easy to source from any Israeli newspaper). He wasn't using the talk page as a FORUM but responding directly to points raised by another editor. Nishidani immediately personalized the whole thing (as he often does when someone disagrees with him) with "you spout nonsense" and "Israel's beneficiaries of this misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" while going on a rant about "elephantine wastrel sponger in the room" and "the PA quisling government in the West Bank", none of which is in a way even remotely connected to improving the article. Nishidani, a very experienced editor, has been warned and sanction multiple times for this exact sort of behavior. יניב הורון has been around for a couple of months but managed not to personalize anything or go off-topic. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2018 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Nishidani Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Nishidani I am bedridden with a fractured vertebra (I can get a nephew to scan the hospital docs if scepticism prevails) and will be so till May2. If Bishonen's close reading is not convincing nor my insisting my words be Unhockey are fair since it is a specific instance of a general rule I won't ask for a postponement until I can argue my defense. My point is, no admin who lives in one of two countries that are in bitter ethnic dispute should intervene in any way, especially over names, where edit-warring occurs, in such a way that gives the appearance of partisanship. Nothing personal. I will always view that as improper whatever the conflict area. I only noticed this because I asked my niece to check my internet page today, and I am writing it on her tablet, in my bedroom, which is not in sending mode except upstairs in my study where I hopre my wife can take this, and press the right tabs (she is computer-illiterate) Please don't take the above as a sympathy pitch. and no enmity if admins think I stepped overboard. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Huldra Removed as an admin action – discussion about content not pertinent to this thread about user conduct. Sandstein* 16:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)* Statement by Sir Joseph Nishidani has been warned time and time again that his uncivil posts are not tolerated here, yet he continues. He makes a statement about an admin, and others merely for being pro-Israel, or Israeli or whatever, as if that means they can't edit here, yet does he do the same for admin Zero? There are plenty of people on "his side" of the debate that edit in a polite and civil manner. We don't need someone stoking the flames with almost all of their posts in the area. He has also been warned that his behavior needs to stop and I do think action should be taken. Sir Joseph 02:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC) "An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher stanbdards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral." This alone warrants some sort of action. It has no place on Misplaced Pages. Sir Joseph 03:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC) I would read the archives of prior AE actions, especially the comments by GoldenRing and The Wordsmith. The civil issue is something that is routinely mentioned and needs to be addressed. In this area especially, civility is not just one of the five pillars but an actionable item. Result concerning Nishidani This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Those are pretty aggressive posts by Nishidani, but I can't see that they're personal attacks. "Spouting nonsense" is not; it's if anything an attack on the comment by the user he's replying to (User:יניב הורון), a retort to it, utilising the same wording as יניב הורון did, which was also aggressive. If you will, יניב הורון's post was an attack on Hamas, Nishidani's was a responsive attack on Israel. I don't see it as personal. No More Mr Nice Guy's conclusion that Nishidani is specifically calling the other editor a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" is a far reach IMO. It's technically possible to tease that out of the diff, but it's unconvincing for all that. The second diff, with Nishidani's statement that Ynhockey has a conflict of interest, is more concerning IMO. OTOH, Ynhockey is an admin, Nishidani was speaking to/of them as an admin, and discussing their editing in relation to their adminship. This comes out particularly in Nishidani's next post, which No More Mr Nice Guy has not linked to above: An Israeli editor is like anyone else. An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher standards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral. No More Mr Nice Guy's account of the conflict of interest accusation seems a little simplified. Anyway, admins aren't supposed to be tender blossoms, that kind of thing is all in the day's work for them. And Ynhockey seems to live up to my idea of admins; they have been back to the page later, but have ignored the conflict of interest thing. Good idea, cool admin. I'm coming to this from a position of ignorance, possibly to the point of naivety: I don't edit in the area, I don't study it, I don't know much about it. But of course even I know it's one of the world's hottest troublespots, which is reflected in the heat generated in articles like 2018 Land Day incidents and their talkpages. I don't like to see what looks like people going over these talkpages with a magnifying glass looking for personal attacks. I don't mean to offend you, No More Mr Nice Guy; I don't mean you actually did that; just that the effect looks like it. I assure you I'd say the same if similar thinly supported accusations were levelled at someone on the other side of the conflict. Bishonen \| talk 19:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC). Reply to No More Mr Nice Guy (see also my talkpage: if you want more discussion with me, please take it there): I assumed Nishidani was talking about IDF and Shin Bet and the Debka file. But you may be right that he was referring to Misplaced Pages editors copying the Debka file. I may well not be the best at dog whistles in this field. BTW, about your next paragraph — not sure whether you are still talking to me there — but just in case, where does your "POV peddler" come from? Read the original wording again — you just quoted it — and please also have more respect for the original syntax of the sentence. Chopping it off at the comma misrepresents the meaning. Bishonen \| talk 20:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC). No action warranted based on currently provided diffs. --NeilN 20:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Waiting on a statement by Nishidani. Sandstein 16:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Hm, on the one hand, Nishidani does have a record of this kind of problem, but on the other hand, this is some very mild stuff, if personal attacks at all. It is mostly about content and general I/P politics, which should be avoided per WP:NOTFORUM, but, again, not a big issue. I don't think that this rises to the level of requiring sanctions, even though it is not exemplary conduct. Sandstein 20:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC) I don't think that this is a BLP problem, but I also don't want to give the impression that the sort of aggressive battleground behaviour from Nishidani shown in the 31 March edits is in any way acceptable. That being said, I don't want to sanction an editor who is unable to defend themselves owing to health issues, so I would much prefer to defer this until they are able to commit fully again to editing and responding to this report. Lankiveil 03:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC). While I do sympathise, I'm reluctant to let this blow over because of someone's health issues. I agree with Lankiveil that the aggression & battlegroundy actions are not acceptable - but I don't think it was only coming from one side, either. A fair chunk of that thread is a big, battlegroundy violation of NOTFORUM from several editors & I do think Nishidani was mostly reacting in kind (I'm thinking of comments like this). While Nishidani's previous warnings, sanctions etc mean they should be particularly aware of the consequences of such things, I'd still be reluctant to see one side sanctioned as though it was all their fault. Trouts all 'round is my inclination here, I think. GoldenRing (talk) 13:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC) @GoldenRing: I agree with you (and disagree with Lankiveil; I see no need to do this over later, as I don't think Nishidani was posting more unacceptably than the other lot). But your diff is to a move to a non-capitalized version with a harmless edit summary by Ser Amantio di Nicolao. Did you mean to link to something else? Bishonen \| talk 13:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC). Erm, yes, sorry, this. Not sure what happened there. GoldenRing (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC) @GoldenRing: Yes, I concur that while Nishidani is clearly at fault here, they're not the only ones at fault. But if there are actionable problems with battleground conduct with editors on the "other" side of this dispute, they can be raised as separate AE discussions. I don't see that they should have any bearing on this particular issue. Lankiveil 01:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC). @Lankiveil: I know it's becoming more common, but I'm not a fan of this, "If there are other editors at fault, they can be dealt with in another report, if anyone can be bothered to bring it," approach to AE. We are not here as some sort of judicial body constrained by the evidence brought before it; we're here to contain disruption. The big red notice at the top of the page says, If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it. Refusing to look at the whole situation only encourages editors to bring speculative complaints here in the hope that they can remove opponents from a debate; too often, editors who are the subject of a complaint are told that if they have grievances against the editor bringing the complaint, they should file a new complaint - and are then promptly blocked for a week (or words to that general effect). By the time their block expires, the whole thing has blown over and any evidence they could bring in a complaint will be stale - any anyway, any complaint will be labelled tit-for-tat, no matter how much merit it has. We should look at the whole situation around a complaint. GoldenRing (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC) @GoldenRing: Do you intend to take action here? If not, I think we should close this with no action, perhaps with a reminder to all editors involved that talk pages are not to be used as a forum for one's general views about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its actors. Sandstein 10:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: I think a reminder or a warning is the best outcome here - feel free. GoldenRing (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

No action taken. I remind Nishidani and יניב הורון to keep calm and remember that talk pages are not to be used as a forum for one's general views about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its actors. Sandstein 11:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Nishidani

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Nishidani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, specifically Decorum and Editors reminded.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

20:50, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below
22:33, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

12 May 2009 Indef topic banned in the first Arbcom PIA ruling.
...Dozens of visits to this board...
7 Oct 2016 Warned about incivility
1 June 2017 Topic banned for one month due to personal attacks

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict. See above.
Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months. See above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Nishidani received an indef topic ban in the first Arbcom PIA ruling for "repeated and extensive edit-warring, as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith". A couple of years later the topic ban was lifted, under the assumption future such behavior will be dealt with on this board. See . Since then he has been reported here literally dozens of times for the exact same behavior.

In the first diff above, he tells an editor he is "spout nonsense" which is a clear personal attack. He then goes on to say that the other editor is a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" by a "elephantine wastrel sponger", based solely on the other editor's nationality, personalizing their dispute. By the way, does BLP apply to editors? If yes I'd say calling someone the beneficiary of misappropriated funds is probably a BLP violation as well.

In the second diff he says an editor has a "conflict of interest" because of his nationality, and he can't judge if the other editor is acting neutrally based on this alleged conflict of interest and then goes on to say that Zionism is "all about" "Israel's right to be uniquely exempt from standard norms or judgements" as the motivation for other editors' arguments.

A longer topic ban than last time (less than a year ago) seem to be appropriate.

@Bishonen, that's an interesting interpretation. So who do you think he was referring to as "beneficiaries" "playing the meme" "before audiences that acrually study the facts" in this context? Who are the "audiences that study the facts" in the context of him explaining what "the facts" are? It's pretty obvious he was taking a dig at the Israeli editor he was discussing with because of his interlocutor's nationality. Is that allowed?
Ynhockey was not acting as an admin, so whether he's supposed to be a tender blossom or not is irrelevant. No comment on what "Zionism is all about" after identifying two opposing editors by their Israeli nationality? Perhaps you don't hear the dog-whistles because you don't know much about this topic area, as you said.

Here's another one from an article that popped into my watchlist - I see the inevitable POV eraser Shrike has just struck again, without a rational thought. I assume calling someone a "POV peddler""POV eraser" who acts "without a rational thought" by someone with multiple topic bans and warnings for this kind of behavior would be frowned upon? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)corrected quotation errorNo More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dan Murphy, only problem is that he wasn't responding to that, he was responding to this. You can tell not only by the indentation, but also by how he mimics the other editor's language, the argument that was "copy and pasted" was that the protests are a cover for terrorist attacks, and then he focused on the money issue. All direct responses to the post I mentioned as part of this complaint, not the one you posted below. I thought this was obvious but apparently not. I hope the admins who commented below are reading this and will reconsider. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lankiveil, FWIW I have no problem deferring this until Nishidani returns to editing and/or makes what he considers a complete response to the complaint, as long as nobody argues any relevant information became "stale" from the delay. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

~~@GoldenRing:, I'm sorry, but your analysis is flawed. The sequence of events is as follows (see: )~~

Nishidani starts off with a couple of paragraphs of SOAP about Israel and massacres etc, but includes two valid points, 1. Hamas' motivation and 2. the general economic situation in Gaza.

יניב הורון responded that how Hamas uses its funds is relevant to the economic situation in Gaza, and also showed a source with another POV about Hamas' motivation (which is easy to source from any Israeli newspaper). He wasn't using the talk page as a FORUM but responding directly to points raised by another editor.

Nishidani immediately personalized the whole thing (as he often does when someone disagrees with him) with "you spout nonsense" and "Israel's beneficiaries of this misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" while going on a rant about "elephantine wastrel sponger in the room" and "the PA quisling government in the West Bank", none of which is in a way even remotely connected to improving the article.

Nishidani, a very experienced editor, has been warned and sanction multiple times for this exact sort of behavior. יניב הורון has been around for a couple of months but managed not to personalize anything or go off-topic. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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Statement by Nishidani

I am bedridden with a fractured vertebra (I can get a nephew to scan the hospital docs if scepticism prevails) and will be so till May2. If Bishonen's close reading is not convincing nor my insisting my words be Unhockey are fair since it is a specific instance of a general rule I won't ask for a postponement until I can argue my defense. My point is, no admin who lives in one of two countries that are in bitter ethnic dispute should intervene in any way, especially over names, where edit-warring occurs, in such a way that gives the appearance of partisanship. Nothing personal. I will always view that as improper whatever the conflict area. I only noticed this because I asked my niece to check my internet page today, and I am writing it on her tablet, in my bedroom, which is not in sending mode except upstairs in my study where I hopre my wife can take this, and press the right tabs (she is computer-illiterate) Please don't take the above as a sympathy pitch. and no enmity if admins think I stepped overboard. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Huldra

Removed as an admin action – discussion about content not pertinent to this thread about user conduct. Sandstein 16:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Sir Joseph

Nishidani has been warned time and time again that his uncivil posts are not tolerated here, yet he continues. He makes a statement about an admin, and others merely for being pro-Israel, or Israeli or whatever, as if that means they can't edit here, yet does he do the same for admin Zero? There are plenty of people on "his side" of the debate that edit in a polite and civil manner. We don't need someone stoking the flames with almost all of their posts in the area. He has also been warned that his behavior needs to stop and I do think action should be taken. Sir Joseph 02:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

"An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher stanbdards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral." This alone warrants some sort of action. It has no place on Misplaced Pages. Sir Joseph 03:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I would read the archives of prior AE actions, especially the comments by GoldenRing and The Wordsmith. The civil issue is something that is routinely mentioned and needs to be addressed. In this area especially, civility is not just one of the five pillars but an actionable item.

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Those are pretty aggressive posts by Nishidani, but I can't see that they're personal attacks. "Spouting nonsense" is not; it's if anything an attack on the comment by the user he's replying to (User:יניב הורון), a retort to it, utilising the same wording as יניב הורון did, which was also aggressive. If you will, יניב הורון's post was an attack on Hamas, Nishidani's was a responsive attack on Israel. I don't see it as personal. No More Mr Nice Guy's conclusion that Nishidani is specifically calling the other editor a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" is a far reach IMO. It's technically possible to tease that out of the diff, but it's unconvincing for all that. The second diff, with Nishidani's statement that Ynhockey has a conflict of interest, is more concerning IMO. OTOH, Ynhockey is an admin, Nishidani was speaking to/of them as an admin, and discussing their editing in relation to their adminship. This comes out particularly in Nishidani's next post, which No More Mr Nice Guy has not linked to above: An Israeli editor is like anyone else. An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher standards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral. No More Mr Nice Guy's account of the conflict of interest accusation seems a little simplified. Anyway, admins aren't supposed to be tender blossoms, that kind of thing is all in the day's work for them. And Ynhockey seems to live up to my idea of admins; they have been back to the page later, but have ignored the conflict of interest thing. Good idea, cool admin.

I'm coming to this from a position of ignorance, possibly to the point of naivety: I don't edit in the area, I don't study it, I don't know much about it. But of course even I know it's one of the world's hottest troublespots, which is reflected in the heat generated in articles like 2018 Land Day incidents and their talkpages. I don't like to see what looks like people going over these talkpages with a magnifying glass looking for personal attacks. I don't mean to offend you, No More Mr Nice Guy; I don't mean you actually did that; just that the effect looks like it. I assure you I'd say the same if similar thinly supported accusations were levelled at someone on the other side of the conflict. Bishonen | talk 19:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC).
Reply to No More Mr Nice Guy (see also my talkpage: if you want more discussion with me, please take it there): I assumed Nishidani was talking about IDF and Shin Bet and the Debka file. But you may be right that he was referring to Misplaced Pages editors copying the Debka file. I may well not be the best at dog whistles in this field. BTW, about your next paragraph — not sure whether you are still talking to me there — but just in case, where does your "POV peddler" come from? Read the original wording again — you just quoted it — and please also have more respect for the original syntax of the sentence. Chopping it off at the comma misrepresents the meaning. Bishonen | talk 20:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC).

No action warranted based on currently provided diffs. --NeilN 20:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Waiting on a statement by Nishidani. Sandstein 16:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Hm, on the one hand, Nishidani does have a record of this kind of problem, but on the other hand, this is some very mild stuff, if personal attacks at all. It is mostly about content and general I/P politics, which should be avoided per WP:NOTFORUM, but, again, not a big issue. I don't think that this rises to the level of requiring sanctions, even though it is not exemplary conduct. Sandstein 20:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that this is a BLP problem, but I also don't want to give the impression that the sort of aggressive battleground behaviour from Nishidani shown in the 31 March edits is in any way acceptable. That being said, I don't want to sanction an editor who is unable to defend themselves owing to health issues, so I would much prefer to defer this until they are able to commit fully again to editing and responding to this report. Lankiveil 03:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC).

While I do sympathise, I'm reluctant to let this blow over because of someone's health issues. I agree with Lankiveil that the aggression & battlegroundy actions are not acceptable - but I don't think it was only coming from one side, either. A fair chunk of that thread is a big, battlegroundy violation of NOTFORUM from several editors & I do think Nishidani was mostly reacting in kind (I'm thinking of comments like this). While Nishidani's previous warnings, sanctions etc mean they should be particularly aware of the consequences of such things, I'd still be reluctant to see one side sanctioned as though it was all their fault. Trouts all 'round is my inclination here, I think. GoldenRing (talk) 13:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@GoldenRing: I agree with you (and disagree with Lankiveil; I see no need to do this over later, as I don't think Nishidani was posting more unacceptably than the other lot). But your diff is to a move to a non-capitalized version with a harmless edit summary by Ser Amantio di Nicolao. Did you mean to link to something else? Bishonen | talk 13:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC).

Erm, yes, sorry, this. Not sure what happened there. GoldenRing (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@GoldenRing: Yes, I concur that while Nishidani is clearly at fault here, they're not the only ones at fault. But if there are actionable problems with battleground conduct with editors on the "other" side of this dispute, they can be raised as separate AE discussions. I don't see that they should have any bearing on this particular issue. Lankiveil 01:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC).

@Lankiveil: I know it's becoming more common, but I'm not a fan of this, "If there are other editors at fault, they can be dealt with in another report, if anyone can be bothered to bring it," approach to AE. We are not here as some sort of judicial body constrained by the evidence brought before it; we're here to contain disruption. The big red notice at the top of the page says, If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it. Refusing to look at the whole situation only encourages editors to bring speculative complaints here in the hope that they can remove opponents from a debate; too often, editors who are the subject of a complaint are told that if they have grievances against the editor bringing the complaint, they should file a new complaint - and are then promptly blocked for a week (or words to that general effect). By the time their block expires, the whole thing has blown over and any evidence they could bring in a complaint will be stale - any anyway, any complaint will be labelled tit-for-tat, no matter how much merit it has. We should look at the whole situation around a complaint. GoldenRing (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@GoldenRing: Do you intend to take action here? If not, I think we should close this with no action, perhaps with a reminder to all editors involved that talk pages are not to be used as a forum for one's general views about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its actors. Sandstein 10:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: I think a reminder or a warning is the best outcome here - feel free. GoldenRing (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Niteshift36

No violation. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Niteshift36 User who is submitting this request for enforcement Cinteotl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Niteshift36 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun_control#Discretionary_sanctions : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 11:23 5 April 2018 Personal attack, failure to work toward agreement 11:19, 5 April 2018 Incivility, failure to work toward agreement 14:25, 4 April 2018 Ignoring a reasonable question. I asked 3 times if he could provide a reliable source. He evaded the question, failing to work toward agreement. If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 00:11 26 February 2018, see also log 20521221 Additional comments by editor filing complaint From what I've read of Niteshift36's behavior, I could argue that he should be permanently topic banned. But let's keep it simple this time: Please give him a slap on the wrist, and tell him to stop chasing away editors with whom he disagrees. Reading Niteshift36's response, it appears he's set on counterpunching without providing the necessary diffs. I'm not going to defend myself against groundless complaints, not am I going to turn this into a boomerang game. So I'll go on record that I will be willing to subject myself to the same sanctions that are placed on Niteshift36 in this matter, irrespective of whether I've done anything wrong. Cinteotl (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Let me clarify that my concerns regarding incivility are secondary to my concerns regarding other more objective violations of WP policies. Update: I asked Niteshift36 a fourth time for a reliable source which ranks the deadliest mass shootings. 12:56 6 April 1918, and finally, he proffered a source (CNN), but not a citation. This might not seem significant, except that CNN does not publish the information in question. In the above diff, when explaining how he/we could add our own rankings (something that should raise alarms about original research), Niteshift36 referred to this CNN article , saying "we could use the CNN listing as the basis to start with." So, there is no doubt that Niteshift36 knows that CNN isn't a source for ranking information, and isn't a responsive answer to my question. The following facts are indisputible: I asked Niteshift36 at least 4 times to provide a reliable source for rankings of the deadliest mass shootings, in support of content he is seeking to include in the Mass shootings in the United States article. He has, to this moment, not not provided a responsive answer. "Misplaced Pages policy is quite clear here: the responsibility for sourcing content rests firmly and entirely with the editor seeking to include it." "One who ignores or refuses to answer good faith questions from other editors." "Does not engage in consensus building...repeatedly disregards other editors' questions or requests for explanations concerning edits or objections to edits". Cinteotl (talk) 21:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC) GoldenRing - Please do me the courtesy of properly citing and explaining any concerns you may have with my conduct, so I have the ability to respond in a meaningful way. Cinteotl (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Usr Notified 02:47 6 April 2018 Discussion concerning Niteshift36 Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Niteshift36 The reporting editor has been intentionally obstructive in this particular article. While he alleges a PA here , Cinteotl has been arguing in another thread that putting things in numerical order is "synth", then favors creating an addition to the table that has us adding numbers. I pointed out the inconsistency in that position. In his second example , he has repeatedly refused to address the simple point that putting numbers in order (or letters in alphabetical order) is not SYNTH. Another editor has even told him that's not an incorrect position, yet he repeatedly makes the same response. Was I getting irritated with it? Yes. Is in "incivility"? Probably not. And I've certainly been working towards a solution. In his third example , Cinteotl engages in a little "not the full story". He posts an exchange from 2 days ago, claiming that it is failing to work towards a solution. What he fails to add is that the next day, a very workable solution was presented . This same editor has cast aspersions about advocacy. In short, some of the exchanges may have been terse, but there's no refusal to work towards a solution. Despite his assertion, I've been involved in a number of discussions that resulted in successful conclusions.Niteshift36 (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Cinteotl, unlike you, I'm not filing a complaint. You really don't have to "defend" the aspersions you cast or the workable solution that was presented , despite the allegation of not trying to work towards one. Since this series of answers happened after this discussion started, it's obvious why they weren't included. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Dr. Fleischman Uninvolved editor here. That's typical Niteshift36 snark, but I don't see any personal attacks or any other actionable conduct. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Niteshift36 This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. I can't see a single thing here rising to the level of enforcement (or even close to it). Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Per Black Kite. To the degree there is anything wrong with that thread, it is evenly spread. GoldenRing (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

No violation. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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Request concerning Niteshift36

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Cinteotl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Niteshift36 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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11:23 5 April 2018 Personal attack, failure to work toward agreement
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14:25, 4 April 2018 Ignoring a reasonable question. I asked 3 times if he could provide a reliable source. He evaded the question, failing to work toward agreement.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

From what I've read of Niteshift36's behavior, I could argue that he should be permanently topic banned. But let's keep it simple this time: Please give him a slap on the wrist, and tell him to stop chasing away editors with whom he disagrees.

Reading Niteshift36's response, it appears he's set on counterpunching without providing the necessary diffs. I'm not going to defend myself against groundless complaints, not am I going to turn this into a boomerang game. So I'll go on record that I will be willing to subject myself to the same sanctions that are placed on Niteshift36 in this matter, irrespective of whether I've done anything wrong. Cinteotl (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Let me clarify that my concerns regarding incivility are secondary to my concerns regarding other more objective violations of WP policies.

Update: I asked Niteshift36 a fourth time for a reliable source which ranks the deadliest mass shootings. 12:56 6 April 1918, and finally, he proffered a source (CNN), but not a citation. This might not seem significant, except that CNN does not publish the information in question. In the above diff, when explaining how he/we could add our own rankings (something that should raise alarms about original research), Niteshift36 referred to this CNN article , saying "we could use the CNN listing as the basis to start with." So, there is no doubt that Niteshift36 knows that CNN isn't a source for ranking information, and isn't a responsive answer to my question.

The following facts are indisputible: I asked Niteshift36 at least 4 times to provide a reliable source for rankings of the deadliest mass shootings, in support of content he is seeking to include in the Mass shootings in the United States article. He has, to this moment, not not provided a responsive answer.

"Misplaced Pages policy is quite clear here: the responsibility for sourcing content rests firmly and entirely with the editor seeking to include it."
"One who ignores or refuses to answer good faith questions from other editors."
"Does not engage in consensus building...repeatedly disregards other editors' questions or requests for explanations concerning edits or objections to edits". Cinteotl (talk) 21:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

GoldenRing - Please do me the courtesy of properly citing and explaining any concerns you may have with my conduct, so I have the ability to respond in a meaningful way. Cinteotl (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Usr Notified 02:47 6 April 2018

Discussion concerning Niteshift36

Statement by Niteshift36

The reporting editor has been intentionally obstructive in this particular article. While he alleges a PA here , Cinteotl has been arguing in another thread that putting things in numerical order is "synth", then favors creating an addition to the table that has us adding numbers. I pointed out the inconsistency in that position. In his second example , he has repeatedly refused to address the simple point that putting numbers in order (or letters in alphabetical order) is not SYNTH. Another editor has even told him that's not an incorrect position, yet he repeatedly makes the same response. Was I getting irritated with it? Yes. Is in "incivility"? Probably not. And I've certainly been working towards a solution. In his third example , Cinteotl engages in a little "not the full story". He posts an exchange from 2 days ago, claiming that it is failing to work towards a solution. What he fails to add is that the next day, a very workable solution was presented . This same editor has cast aspersions about advocacy. In short, some of the exchanges may have been terse, but there's no refusal to work towards a solution. Despite his assertion, I've been involved in a number of discussions that resulted in successful conclusions.Niteshift36 (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Cinteotl, unlike you, I'm not filing a complaint. You really don't have to "defend" the aspersions you cast or the workable solution that was presented , despite the allegation of not trying to work towards one. Since this series of answers happened after this discussion started, it's obvious why they weren't included. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Dr. Fleischman

Uninvolved editor here. That's typical Niteshift36 snark, but I don't see any personal attacks or any other actionable conduct. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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Result concerning Niteshift36

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I can't see a single thing here rising to the level of enforcement (or even close to it). Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Per Black Kite. To the degree there is anything wrong with that thread, it is evenly spread. GoldenRing (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by iantresman

Appeal is declined. There is not a clear and substantial consensus to overturn the sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED). Appealing user iantresman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Iantresman (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Sanction being appealed Topic ban from the subject of "plasma physics and astrophysics", imposed at Iantresman logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2012#Pseudoscience Administrator imposing the sanction Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) Notification of that administrator Statement by iantresman I would like my topic banned to be considered for lifting. Since my ban in 2012: I have had one appeal declined over a year ago, and this is summarised in my deferred appeal in Dec 2017 (described in the "Amendment request: Pseudoscience, Notes to @Newyorkbrad ). I have received no other sanctions from over 4000+ edits I have upheld the 1RR restriction on me, and will continue to do so I have also endured the current 4434 day topic ban without further penalty, despite being on a self-imposed 0RR at the time, thought that I had followed Discretionary sanctions guidance at the time to "adopt Misplaced Pages’s communal approaches" in my editing and discussed the matter on the WT:IRS noticeboard I have made efforts to improve my editing, reaching out to Timotheus Canens for advice , and to the Help Desk,, and the Teahouse (all without success) I am still open to suggestions on how I can improve my editing behavior, should there be a disagreement. Since my time as a Wiki editor I have made over 21,000 edits, of which 96.8% are still live a retention rate that is as good as all but two active members of the Arbitration Committee I appreciate ban avoidance more than most, having endured a 1,515 day Community Ban (given without a single diff in evidence, and with such short deliberation that it contributed to the banning of the Community Sanctions Noticeboard that was instigated by an editor who was described as having misled the community by using multiple socks abusively.) I have also uploaded over 60 files to Misplaced Pages, over 100 images to Commons created over 900 new pages, edited over 4000 pages (on average 5 times each), and have been directly involved in the attainment of 4 good articles (one subsequently reassessed) I am always open to discussion with any editor regarding my editing Notes @Sandstein: I don't know what the reasons were for my ban, as they don't appear to have been stated in the "Result concerning Iantresman". The original poster mentioned (a) Wikilawyering, (b) that I "continued to argue", (c) "no consensus", (d) "Pushing", (e) "civilly POV push this fringe science", (f) "adding a burden on other editors". The banning editor mentioned that "I think the complaint has merit", but it wasn't clear to me whether he was referring to all criticisms, or whether there was something specific. I am happy to "address these concerns", but I don't think you want me to comment on every accusation against me, so your guidance would be appreciated. I would like to contribute to articles on plasma and astronomy which were covered by my topic ban; I have University Certificates in Astronomy, Cosmology and Radio Astronomy from UClan and Jodrell Bank at MU (scans available on request). I also want to contibute to more contentious articles, such as the one on Plasma Cosmology. The evidence suggests I am a good editor in these subjects, eg. I am the top contributor (even after a five year absence) to the article on Plasma Physics Wolf Effect and Pinch (plasma) Birekland Currents Critical ionization velocity, the 3rd top contributor to Dusty Plasma and Plasma Cosmology and the 2nd top contributor to the article on Redshift. --Iantresman (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: Not impressed. I asked you for extra guidance as I could find no such "clear" conclusion, and indicated I was "happy to address these concerns"; I had also solicited advice from other editors, I even mentioned fringe science as one possibility, but was unable to pick it out from any of the other options. --Iantresman (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC) What is disappointing, is that no-one is prepared to work with me, and provide the guidance that I seek. --Iantresman (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2018 (UTC) @Timotheus Canens: My 2007 CSN appeal was not rejected. Admins voted 3-3 (and one abstention) which shows no consensus. There was no "full knowledge" (page Permission Error) of the Mainstream Astronomy account being one of several socks. This is clear from the "Statement of JoshuaZ" who repeats that the user is new. I wonder whether the views of other editors, and the votes would have changed, if this false statement were not perpetuated. And while the CSN discussion was left opened after my community ban, editors who bothered to look noted: (a) "I'm having a hard time finding a single shred of evidence against him here.", and (b) "nor has the evidence in questions of fact been clearly presented.", and later another editor supported my unblocking "on the grounds that the user has apparently done little or nothing wrong," And while you are right in mentioning the AE case that I was cautioned in (and had forgotten), if you recall, I recently asked you if I could edit articles that were also covered by my ban to which you gave tacit approval to the advice here, and then you decided that some subsequent edits in the topic area were the wrong shade of grey. It's no wonder I don't know the rules, but it's not for want of trying to find out from you, and in other places. --Iantresman (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Timotheus Canens I'm not inclined to lift this topic ban. As Sandstein explained, the appeal does not indicate that recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. Given the lengthy history of fringe/pseudoscience-related sanctions here, I'd want to see an exceedingly persuasive demonstration that the concerns leading to the ban will not recur. This appeal falls far short. To the extent that the appeal is based on trouble-free editing, it resembles the October 2012 ARCA request that led to the topic ban being lifted, and we know how that one turned out (note that this topic ban was also reviewed at ARCA immediately after it was imposed). Not that the editing was entirely trouble-free: I recall at least one appeal to me that I declined after finding topic-ban violating edits, and a search of the AE archives showed at least one other instance of topic ban violation for which they were cautioned; while these are relatively minor, the failure to mention them - and the carefully chosen "penalty-free" wording - do not really inspire confidence. In a similar vein, the appeal also contains a rather misleading and incomplete characterization of the CSN discussion that led to the original ban: that discussion was kept open for a substantial period of time after the block took place, and an appeal was rejected by the 2007 arbcom with full knowledge of the identity of the "Mainstream astronomy" account. T. Canens (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1) Statement by (involved editor 2) Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by iantresman Of course iantresman has not indicated that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why; he doesn't think the ban was a good ban in the first place. When he asked for it to be lifted on those grounds, he was told to go away and that what the committee would really like to see is an appeal on the grounds that the ban is not presently necessary, with none of this stuff about contesting the original merit of an ancient sanction. Now he's back with the requested evidence and his appeal is being attacked because... it's too focused on trying to say the ban isn't presently necessary, and doesn't spend enough time addressing the original merit of the ancient sanction. I know there's no overlap between the individual arbs commenting on the two appeals, but iantresman is really getting the runaround here. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC) Result of the appeal by iantresman This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. @Iantresman: Please describe what the reasons for the topic ban were and how you would address these concerns in your future editing in the topic area if the ban is lifted. Please also describe in general terms which articles you want to create or which contributions you intend to make if the ban is lifted. Sandstein 14:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC) I would decline to lift the ban. Iantresman writes that "I don't know what the reasons were for my ban". However, according to the link he provides, it is very clear that the reason was that Iantresman was considered to have been advocating the inclusion of fringe or pseudoscience content in violation of policies and ArbCom decisions applicable to such content. Given that the ban has remained in force without successful appeal for some 6 years, I must assume that these concerns were valid. In this appeal Iantresman does not indicate that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. It therefore appears to me that the ban is still needed to prevent the recurrence of the concerns that led to the ban being imposed in 2012. Sandstein 17:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC) This is starting to languish. I'm inclined to lift the ban on the basis that reimposing it if there is trouble will be very cheap indeed. There's been six years of trouble-free editing; not as high volume as before the ban but still apparently solid and trouble-free work. I would like to hear whether Timotheus Canens agrees first, though. GoldenRing (talk) 11:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Decline per Tony. GoldenRing (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2018 (UTC) I would lean towards provisionally rescinding the ban, under the same conditions outlined by User:GoldenRing. The lack of understanding about why the ban was imposed in the first place is seriously unimpressive, but most of the problematic behaviour seems to have been quite some time ago. If there is any problems around disruptive pseudoscience related edits, it could be re-instated rather quickly and easily. Lankiveil 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC). I agree with Sandstein, and think we should decline to lift this. I am seeing no reason to lift this ban and "it has worked at preventing disruption" is not a good reason to lift it either. Related to the last point, I also find Tim's statement compelling, and I generally trust his judgement on these matters and see no reason why we should go against the sanctioning admin who opposes lifting the appeal at this time.TonyBallioni (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Appeal is declined. There is not a clear and substantial consensus to overturn the sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Appealing user: iantresman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Iantresman (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed: Topic ban from the subject of "plasma physics and astrophysics", imposed at Iantresman logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2012#Pseudoscience

Administrator imposing the sanction: Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

Statement by iantresman

I would like my topic banned to be considered for lifting. Since my ban in 2012:

I have had one appeal declined over a year ago, and this is summarised in my deferred appeal in Dec 2017 (described in the "Amendment request: Pseudoscience, Notes to @Newyorkbrad ).
I have received no other sanctions from over 4000+ edits
I have upheld the 1RR restriction on me, and will continue to do so
I have also endured the current 4434 day topic ban without further penalty, despite being on a self-imposed 0RR at the time, thought that I had followed Discretionary sanctions guidance at the time to "adopt Misplaced Pages’s communal approaches" in my editing and discussed the matter on the WT:IRS noticeboard
I have made efforts to improve my editing, reaching out to Timotheus Canens for advice , and to the Help Desk,, and the Teahouse (all without success)
I am still open to suggestions on how I can improve my editing behavior, should there be a disagreement.

Since my time as a Wiki editor

I have made over 21,000 edits, of which 96.8% are still live a retention rate that is as good as all but two active members of the Arbitration Committee
I appreciate ban avoidance more than most, having endured a 1,515 day Community Ban (given without a single diff in evidence, and with such short deliberation that it contributed to the banning of the Community Sanctions Noticeboard that was instigated by an editor who was described as having misled the community by using multiple socks abusively.)
I have also uploaded over 60 files to Misplaced Pages, over 100 images to Commons created over 900 new pages, edited over 4000 pages (on average 5 times each), and have been directly involved in the attainment of 4 good articles (one subsequently reassessed)
I am always open to discussion with any editor regarding my editing

Notes

@Sandstein: I don't know what the reasons were for my ban, as they don't appear to have been stated in the "Result concerning Iantresman". The original poster mentioned (a) Wikilawyering, (b) that I "continued to argue", (c) "no consensus", (d) "Pushing", (e) "civilly POV push this fringe science", (f) "adding a burden on other editors". The banning editor mentioned that "I think the complaint has merit", but it wasn't clear to me whether he was referring to all criticisms, or whether there was something specific.

I am happy to "address these concerns", but I don't think you want me to comment on every accusation against me, so your guidance would be appreciated.

I would like to contribute to articles on plasma and astronomy which were covered by my topic ban; I have University Certificates in Astronomy, Cosmology and Radio Astronomy from UClan and Jodrell Bank at MU (scans available on request). I also want to contibute to more contentious articles, such as the one on Plasma Cosmology. The evidence suggests I am a good editor in these subjects, eg. I am the top contributor (even after a five year absence) to the article on Plasma Physics Wolf Effect and Pinch (plasma) Birekland Currents Critical ionization velocity, the 3rd top contributor to Dusty Plasma and Plasma Cosmology and the 2nd top contributor to the article on Redshift. --Iantresman (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: Not impressed. I asked you for extra guidance as I could find no such "clear" conclusion, and indicated I was "happy to address these concerns"; I had also solicited advice from other editors, I even mentioned fringe science as one possibility, but was unable to pick it out from any of the other options. --Iantresman (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
What is disappointing, is that no-one is prepared to work with me, and provide the guidance that I seek. --Iantresman (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
@Timotheus Canens:

My 2007 CSN appeal was not rejected. Admins voted 3-3 (and one abstention) which shows no consensus.
There was no "full knowledge" (page Permission Error) of the Mainstream Astronomy account being one of several socks. This is clear from the "Statement of JoshuaZ" who repeats that the user is new. I wonder whether the views of other editors, and the votes would have changed, if this false statement were not perpetuated.
And while the CSN discussion was left opened after my community ban, editors who bothered to look noted: (a) "I'm having a hard time finding a single shred of evidence against him here.", and (b) "nor has the evidence in questions of fact been clearly presented.", and later another editor supported my unblocking "on the grounds that the user has apparently done little or nothing wrong,"
And while you are right in mentioning the AE case that I was cautioned in (and had forgotten), if you recall, I recently asked you if I could edit articles that were also covered by my ban to which you gave tacit approval to the advice here, and then you decided that some subsequent edits in the topic area were the wrong shade of grey. It's no wonder I don't know the rules, but it's not for want of trying to find out from you, and in other places. --Iantresman (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Timotheus Canens

I'm not inclined to lift this topic ban. As Sandstein explained, the appeal does not indicate that recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. Given the lengthy history of fringe/pseudoscience-related sanctions here, I'd want to see an exceedingly persuasive demonstration that the concerns leading to the ban will not recur. This appeal falls far short.

To the extent that the appeal is based on trouble-free editing, it resembles the October 2012 ARCA request that led to the topic ban being lifted, and we know how that one turned out (note that this topic ban was also reviewed at ARCA immediately after it was imposed). Not that the editing was entirely trouble-free: I recall at least one appeal to me that I declined after finding topic-ban violating edits, and a search of the AE archives showed at least one other instance of topic ban violation for which they were cautioned; while these are relatively minor, the failure to mention them - and the carefully chosen "penalty-free" wording - do not really inspire confidence.

In a similar vein, the appeal also contains a rather misleading and incomplete characterization of the CSN discussion that led to the original ban: that discussion was kept open for a substantial period of time after the block took place, and an appeal was rejected by the 2007 arbcom with full knowledge of the identity of the "Mainstream astronomy" account. T. Canens (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by iantresman

Of course iantresman has not indicated that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why; he doesn't think the ban was a good ban in the first place. When he asked for it to be lifted on those grounds, he was told to go away and that what the committee would really like to see is an appeal on the grounds that the ban is not presently necessary, with none of this stuff about contesting the original merit of an ancient sanction. Now he's back with the requested evidence and his appeal is being attacked because... it's too focused on trying to say the ban isn't presently necessary, and doesn't spend enough time addressing the original merit of the ancient sanction. I know there's no overlap between the individual arbs commenting on the two appeals, but iantresman is really getting the runaround here. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by iantresman

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

@Iantresman: Please describe what the reasons for the topic ban were and how you would address these concerns in your future editing in the topic area if the ban is lifted. Please also describe in general terms which articles you want to create or which contributions you intend to make if the ban is lifted. Sandstein 14:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I would decline to lift the ban. Iantresman writes that "I don't know what the reasons were for my ban". However, according to the link he provides, it is very clear that the reason was that Iantresman was considered to have been advocating the inclusion of fringe or pseudoscience content in violation of policies and ArbCom decisions applicable to such content. Given that the ban has remained in force without successful appeal for some 6 years, I must assume that these concerns were valid. In this appeal Iantresman does not indicate that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. It therefore appears to me that the ban is still needed to prevent the recurrence of the concerns that led to the ban being imposed in 2012. Sandstein 17:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

This is starting to languish. I'm inclined to lift the ban on the basis that reimposing it if there is trouble will be very cheap indeed. There's been six years of trouble-free editing; not as high volume as before the ban but still apparently solid and trouble-free work. I would like to hear whether Timotheus Canens agrees first, though. GoldenRing (talk) 11:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Decline per Tony. GoldenRing (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I would lean towards provisionally rescinding the ban, under the same conditions outlined by User:GoldenRing. The lack of understanding about why the ban was imposed in the first place is seriously unimpressive, but most of the problematic behaviour seems to have been quite some time ago. If there is any problems around disruptive pseudoscience related edits, it could be re-instated rather quickly and easily. Lankiveil 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC).
I agree with Sandstein, and think we should decline to lift this. I am seeing no reason to lift this ban and "it has worked at preventing disruption" is not a good reason to lift it either. Related to the last point, I also find Tim's statement compelling, and I generally trust his judgement on these matters and see no reason why we should go against the sanctioning admin who opposes lifting the appeal at this time.TonyBallioni (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

VendixDM

Blocked 72 hours. --NeilN 04:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning VendixDM User who is submitting this request for enforcement יניב הורון (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested VendixDM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBPIA3 : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it User continues to edit-warring in ARBPIA-related articles, despite I explained him many times he is not allowed per 30/500 Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Warned that he is not allowed to edit in ARBPIA per 30/500 Warned again, but he doesn't seem to care Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning VendixDM Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by VendixDM Statement by (username) Result concerning VendixDM This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Blocked 72 hours. --NeilN 04:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning VendixDM

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: יניב הורון (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: VendixDM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA3 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

User continues to edit-warring in ARBPIA-related articles, despite I explained him many times he is not allowed per 30/500

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning VendixDM

Statement by VendixDM

Statement by (username)

Result concerning VendixDM

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Neilen

Neilen is indefinitely topic banned from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Seraphimblade 02:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Neilen User who is submitting this request for enforcement EvergreenFir (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Neilen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBAP2, WP:ARBAPDS Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Peter Strzok (edit \| talk \| history \| protect \| delete \| links \| watch \| logs \| views) 13:24, 7 April 2018 Initial addition 13:32, 7 April 2018 Revert; "info on opening of investigation by strzok" 00:30, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "added RS" 00:52, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "checked the RS and you are correct, fixing the language" Dismissal of James Comey (edit \| talk \| history \| protect \| delete \| links \| watch \| logs \| views) 07:30, 7 April 2018 Initial edit; marked minor. 13:19, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "incorrect: trump was not a target of either the investigation launched in july 2016 which comey oversaw or the mueller probe launched in may 2017" 13:44, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "sorry, just the facts" 00:16, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "quote is right there in the source, stop reverting" 00:48, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "it's mentioned in other places too, including RS" 01:09, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "what is there to take to talk? simply added some minor info about what Comey himself stated - why is this being repeatedly removed?" James Comey (edit \| talk \| history \| protect \| delete \| links \| watch \| logs \| views) 07:09, 7 April 2018 "added rest of statement" 07:21, 7 April 2018 Marked minor; revert. 13:19, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "incorrect: trump was not a target of either the investigation launched in july 2016 which comey oversaw or the mueller probe launched in may 2017" 00:18, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "info is RS stop reverting" 01:08, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "Added RS; cleaned up text, add date of testimony" Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any None If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 13:59, 7 April 2018 Additional comments by editor filing complaint Violating 1RR on multiple pages with DS after being alerted to said DS. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Neilen Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Neilen Apologize for the minor edits. Wasn't doing it on purpose, didn't know I was doing anything wrong. Now that I know what to mark as minor and what not I will be more careful. As far as my other edits not sure what the problem is or why I'm being reported here by Evergreen. Everything I added was in good faith, and also RS. Neilen (talk) 01:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC) NeilN you can check all of my edits to confirm the user below (O3000) is making false claims. Never claimed to know the "truth" about anything. Simply trying to contribute to Misplaced Pages. Not sure why users are complaining about me here, seems to be some sort of witch-hunt atmosphere. Neilen (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Objective3000 I'm involved. Was just about to file this myself. Editor refuses to take to Talk after many requests. Numerous 1RR vios. There are additional vios at James Comey. Editor appears to know the "truth", to which I am not privy. O3000 (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC) If my eyesight is not failing me, the editor has continued this behavior after responding here: And it continues: Neilen, may I make a suggestion that you voluntarily agree to refrain from editing any article under discretionary sanctions for a lengthy period until you are accustomed to the Misplaced Pages guidelines? O3000 (talk) 01:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Valeyard didn't know I was doing anything wrong is rather hard to believe, given the massive "You must not make more than one revert per 24 hours to this article and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." at the top of every edit. TheValeyard (talk) 01:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Neilen This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Given that this is an absolutely crystal clear case and the disruption is still ongoing, I am imposing an indefinite topic ban on Neilen from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Seraphimblade 01:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Neilen is indefinitely topic banned from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Seraphimblade 02:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Neilen

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: EvergreenFir (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Neilen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBAP2, WP:ARBAPDS

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Peter Strzok (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

13:24, 7 April 2018 Initial addition
13:32, 7 April 2018 Revert; "info on opening of investigation by strzok"
00:30, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "added RS"
00:52, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "checked the RS and you are correct, fixing the language"

Dismissal of James Comey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

07:30, 7 April 2018 Initial edit; marked minor.
13:19, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "incorrect: trump was not a target of either the investigation launched in july 2016 which comey oversaw or the mueller probe launched in may 2017"
13:44, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "sorry, just the facts"
00:16, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "quote is right there in the source, stop reverting"
00:48, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "it's mentioned in other places too, including RS"
01:09, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "what is there to take to talk? simply added some minor info about what Comey himself stated - why is this being repeatedly removed?"

James Comey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

07:09, 7 April 2018 "added rest of statement"
07:21, 7 April 2018 Marked minor; revert.
13:19, 7 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "incorrect: trump was not a target of either the investigation launched in july 2016 which comey oversaw or the mueller probe launched in may 2017"
00:18, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "info is RS stop reverting"
01:08, 9 April 2018 Tagged minor; revert. "Added RS; cleaned up text, add date of testimony"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

None

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.
Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 13:59, 7 April 2018

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Violating 1RR on multiple pages with DS after being alerted to said DS.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Neilen

Statement by Neilen

Apologize for the minor edits. Wasn't doing it on purpose, didn't know I was doing anything wrong. Now that I know what to mark as minor and what not I will be more careful. As far as my other edits not sure what the problem is or why I'm being reported here by Evergreen. Everything I added was in good faith, and also RS. Neilen (talk) 01:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

NeilN you can check all of my edits to confirm the user below (O3000) is making false claims. Never claimed to know the "truth" about anything. Simply trying to contribute to Misplaced Pages. Not sure why users are complaining about me here, seems to be some sort of witch-hunt atmosphere. Neilen (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Objective3000

I'm involved. Was just about to file this myself. Editor refuses to take to Talk after many requests. Numerous 1RR vios. There are additional vios at James Comey. Editor appears to know the "truth", to which I am not privy. O3000 (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

If my eyesight is not failing me, the editor has continued this behavior after responding here:

And it continues:

Neilen, may I make a suggestion that you voluntarily agree to refrain from editing any article under discretionary sanctions for a lengthy period until you are accustomed to the Misplaced Pages guidelines? O3000 (talk) 01:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Valeyard

didn't know I was doing anything wrong is rather hard to believe, given the massive "You must not make more than one revert per 24 hours to this article and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." at the top of every edit. TheValeyard (talk) 01:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Neilen

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Given that this is an absolutely crystal clear case and the disruption is still ongoing, I am imposing an indefinite topic ban on Neilen from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Seraphimblade 01:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)