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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by iantresman

Appeal is declined. There is not a clear and substantial consensus to overturn the sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED). Appealing user iantresman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Iantresman (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Sanction being appealed Topic ban from the subject of "plasma physics and astrophysics", imposed at Iantresman logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2012#Pseudoscience Administrator imposing the sanction Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) Notification of that administrator Statement by iantresman I would like my topic banned to be considered for lifting. Since my ban in 2012: I have had one appeal declined over a year ago, and this is summarised in my deferred appeal in Dec 2017 (described in the "Amendment request: Pseudoscience, Notes to @Newyorkbrad ). I have received no other sanctions from over 4000+ edits I have upheld the 1RR restriction on me, and will continue to do so I have also endured the current 4435 day topic ban without further penalty, despite being on a self-imposed 0RR at the time, thought that I had followed Discretionary sanctions guidance at the time to "adopt Misplaced Pages’s communal approaches" in my editing and discussed the matter on the WT:IRS noticeboard I have made efforts to improve my editing, reaching out to Timotheus Canens for advice , and to the Help Desk,, and the Teahouse (all without success) I am still open to suggestions on how I can improve my editing behavior, should there be a disagreement. Since my time as a Wiki editor I have made over 21,000 edits, of which 96.8% are still live a retention rate that is as good as all but two active members of the Arbitration Committee I appreciate ban avoidance more than most, having endured a 1,515 day Community Ban (given without a single diff in evidence, and with such short deliberation that it contributed to the banning of the Community Sanctions Noticeboard that was instigated by an editor who was described as having misled the community by using multiple socks abusively.) I have also uploaded over 60 files to Misplaced Pages, over 100 images to Commons created over 900 new pages, edited over 4000 pages (on average 5 times each), and have been directly involved in the attainment of 4 good articles (one subsequently reassessed) I am always open to discussion with any editor regarding my editing Notes @Sandstein: I don't know what the reasons were for my ban, as they don't appear to have been stated in the "Result concerning Iantresman". The original poster mentioned (a) Wikilawyering, (b) that I "continued to argue", (c) "no consensus", (d) "Pushing", (e) "civilly POV push this fringe science", (f) "adding a burden on other editors". The banning editor mentioned that "I think the complaint has merit", but it wasn't clear to me whether he was referring to all criticisms, or whether there was something specific. I am happy to "address these concerns", but I don't think you want me to comment on every accusation against me, so your guidance would be appreciated. I would like to contribute to articles on plasma and astronomy which were covered by my topic ban; I have University Certificates in Astronomy, Cosmology and Radio Astronomy from UClan and Jodrell Bank at MU (scans available on request). I also want to contibute to more contentious articles, such as the one on Plasma Cosmology. The evidence suggests I am a good editor in these subjects, eg. I am the top contributor (even after a five year absence) to the article on Plasma Physics Wolf Effect and Pinch (plasma) Birekland Currents Critical ionization velocity, the 3rd top contributor to Dusty Plasma and Plasma Cosmology and the 2nd top contributor to the article on Redshift. --Iantresman (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: Not impressed. I asked you for extra guidance as I could find no such "clear" conclusion, and indicated I was "happy to address these concerns"; I had also solicited advice from other editors, I even mentioned fringe science as one possibility, but was unable to pick it out from any of the other options. --Iantresman (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC) What is disappointing, is that no-one is prepared to work with me, and provide the guidance that I seek. --Iantresman (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2018 (UTC) @Timotheus Canens: My 2007 CSN appeal was not rejected. Admins voted 3-3 (and one abstention) which shows no consensus. There was no "full knowledge" (page Permission Error) of the Mainstream Astronomy account being one of several socks. This is clear from the "Statement of JoshuaZ" who repeats that the user is new. I wonder whether the views of other editors, and the votes would have changed, if this false statement were not perpetuated. And while the CSN discussion was left opened after my community ban, editors who bothered to look noted: (a) "I'm having a hard time finding a single shred of evidence against him here.", and (b) "nor has the evidence in questions of fact been clearly presented.", and later another editor supported my unblocking "on the grounds that the user has apparently done little or nothing wrong," And while you are right in mentioning the AE case that I was cautioned in (and had forgotten), if you recall, I recently asked you if I could edit articles that were also covered by my ban to which you gave tacit approval to the advice here, and then you decided that some subsequent edits in the topic area were the wrong shade of grey. It's no wonder I don't know the rules, but it's not for want of trying to find out from you, and in other places. --Iantresman (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Timotheus Canens I'm not inclined to lift this topic ban. As Sandstein explained, the appeal does not indicate that recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. Given the lengthy history of fringe/pseudoscience-related sanctions here, I'd want to see an exceedingly persuasive demonstration that the concerns leading to the ban will not recur. This appeal falls far short. To the extent that the appeal is based on trouble-free editing, it resembles the October 2012 ARCA request that led to the topic ban being lifted, and we know how that one turned out (note that this topic ban was also reviewed at ARCA immediately after it was imposed). Not that the editing was entirely trouble-free: I recall at least one appeal to me that I declined after finding topic-ban violating edits, and a search of the AE archives showed at least one other instance of topic ban violation for which they were cautioned; while these are relatively minor, the failure to mention them - and the carefully chosen "penalty-free" wording - do not really inspire confidence. In a similar vein, the appeal also contains a rather misleading and incomplete characterization of the CSN discussion that led to the original ban: that discussion was kept open for a substantial period of time after the block took place, and an appeal was rejected by the 2007 arbcom with full knowledge of the identity of the "Mainstream astronomy" account. T. Canens (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1) Statement by (involved editor 2) Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by iantresman Of course iantresman has not indicated that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why; he doesn't think the ban was a good ban in the first place. When he asked for it to be lifted on those grounds, he was told to go away and that what the committee would really like to see is an appeal on the grounds that the ban is not presently necessary, with none of this stuff about contesting the original merit of an ancient sanction. Now he's back with the requested evidence and his appeal is being attacked because... it's too focused on trying to say the ban isn't presently necessary, and doesn't spend enough time addressing the original merit of the ancient sanction. I know there's no overlap between the individual arbs commenting on the two appeals, but iantresman is really getting the runaround here. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC) Result of the appeal by iantresman This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. @Iantresman: Please describe what the reasons for the topic ban were and how you would address these concerns in your future editing in the topic area if the ban is lifted. Please also describe in general terms which articles you want to create or which contributions you intend to make if the ban is lifted. Sandstein 14:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC) I would decline to lift the ban. Iantresman writes that "I don't know what the reasons were for my ban". However, according to the link he provides, it is very clear that the reason was that Iantresman was considered to have been advocating the inclusion of fringe or pseudoscience content in violation of policies and ArbCom decisions applicable to such content. Given that the ban has remained in force without successful appeal for some 6 years, I must assume that these concerns were valid. In this appeal Iantresman does not indicate that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. It therefore appears to me that the ban is still needed to prevent the recurrence of the concerns that led to the ban being imposed in 2012. Sandstein 17:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC) This is starting to languish. I'm inclined to lift the ban on the basis that reimposing it if there is trouble will be very cheap indeed. There's been six years of trouble-free editing; not as high volume as before the ban but still apparently solid and trouble-free work. I would like to hear whether Timotheus Canens agrees first, though. GoldenRing (talk) 11:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Decline per Tony. GoldenRing (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2018 (UTC) I would lean towards provisionally rescinding the ban, under the same conditions outlined by User:GoldenRing. The lack of understanding about why the ban was imposed in the first place is seriously unimpressive, but most of the problematic behaviour seems to have been quite some time ago. If there is any problems around disruptive pseudoscience related edits, it could be re-instated rather quickly and easily. Lankiveil 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC). I agree with Sandstein, and think we should decline to lift this. I am seeing no reason to lift this ban and "it has worked at preventing disruption" is not a good reason to lift it either. Related to the last point, I also find Tim's statement compelling, and I generally trust his judgement on these matters and see no reason why we should go against the sanctioning admin who opposes lifting the appeal at this time.TonyBallioni (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Appeal is declined. There is not a clear and substantial consensus to overturn the sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user: iantresman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Iantresman (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed: Topic ban from the subject of "plasma physics and astrophysics", imposed at Iantresman logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2012#Pseudoscience

Administrator imposing the sanction: Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

Statement by iantresman

I would like my topic banned to be considered for lifting. Since my ban in 2012:

I have had one appeal declined over a year ago, and this is summarised in my deferred appeal in Dec 2017 (described in the "Amendment request: Pseudoscience, Notes to @Newyorkbrad ).
I have received no other sanctions from over 4000+ edits
I have upheld the 1RR restriction on me, and will continue to do so
I have also endured the current 4435 day topic ban without further penalty, despite being on a self-imposed 0RR at the time, thought that I had followed Discretionary sanctions guidance at the time to "adopt Misplaced Pages’s communal approaches" in my editing and discussed the matter on the WT:IRS noticeboard
I have made efforts to improve my editing, reaching out to Timotheus Canens for advice , and to the Help Desk,, and the Teahouse (all without success)
I am still open to suggestions on how I can improve my editing behavior, should there be a disagreement.

Since my time as a Wiki editor

I have made over 21,000 edits, of which 96.8% are still live a retention rate that is as good as all but two active members of the Arbitration Committee
I appreciate ban avoidance more than most, having endured a 1,515 day Community Ban (given without a single diff in evidence, and with such short deliberation that it contributed to the banning of the Community Sanctions Noticeboard that was instigated by an editor who was described as having misled the community by using multiple socks abusively.)
I have also uploaded over 60 files to Misplaced Pages, over 100 images to Commons created over 900 new pages, edited over 4000 pages (on average 5 times each), and have been directly involved in the attainment of 4 good articles (one subsequently reassessed)
I am always open to discussion with any editor regarding my editing

Notes

@Sandstein: I don't know what the reasons were for my ban, as they don't appear to have been stated in the "Result concerning Iantresman". The original poster mentioned (a) Wikilawyering, (b) that I "continued to argue", (c) "no consensus", (d) "Pushing", (e) "civilly POV push this fringe science", (f) "adding a burden on other editors". The banning editor mentioned that "I think the complaint has merit", but it wasn't clear to me whether he was referring to all criticisms, or whether there was something specific.

I am happy to "address these concerns", but I don't think you want me to comment on every accusation against me, so your guidance would be appreciated.

I would like to contribute to articles on plasma and astronomy which were covered by my topic ban; I have University Certificates in Astronomy, Cosmology and Radio Astronomy from UClan and Jodrell Bank at MU (scans available on request). I also want to contibute to more contentious articles, such as the one on Plasma Cosmology. The evidence suggests I am a good editor in these subjects, eg. I am the top contributor (even after a five year absence) to the article on Plasma Physics Wolf Effect and Pinch (plasma) Birekland Currents Critical ionization velocity, the 3rd top contributor to Dusty Plasma and Plasma Cosmology and the 2nd top contributor to the article on Redshift. --Iantresman (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: Not impressed. I asked you for extra guidance as I could find no such "clear" conclusion, and indicated I was "happy to address these concerns"; I had also solicited advice from other editors, I even mentioned fringe science as one possibility, but was unable to pick it out from any of the other options. --Iantresman (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
What is disappointing, is that no-one is prepared to work with me, and provide the guidance that I seek. --Iantresman (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
@Timotheus Canens:

My 2007 CSN appeal was not rejected. Admins voted 3-3 (and one abstention) which shows no consensus.
There was no "full knowledge" (page Permission Error) of the Mainstream Astronomy account being one of several socks. This is clear from the "Statement of JoshuaZ" who repeats that the user is new. I wonder whether the views of other editors, and the votes would have changed, if this false statement were not perpetuated.
And while the CSN discussion was left opened after my community ban, editors who bothered to look noted: (a) "I'm having a hard time finding a single shred of evidence against him here.", and (b) "nor has the evidence in questions of fact been clearly presented.", and later another editor supported my unblocking "on the grounds that the user has apparently done little or nothing wrong,"
And while you are right in mentioning the AE case that I was cautioned in (and had forgotten), if you recall, I recently asked you if I could edit articles that were also covered by my ban to which you gave tacit approval to the advice here, and then you decided that some subsequent edits in the topic area were the wrong shade of grey. It's no wonder I don't know the rules, but it's not for want of trying to find out from you, and in other places. --Iantresman (talk) 08:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Timotheus Canens

I'm not inclined to lift this topic ban. As Sandstein explained, the appeal does not indicate that recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. Given the lengthy history of fringe/pseudoscience-related sanctions here, I'd want to see an exceedingly persuasive demonstration that the concerns leading to the ban will not recur. This appeal falls far short.

To the extent that the appeal is based on trouble-free editing, it resembles the October 2012 ARCA request that led to the topic ban being lifted, and we know how that one turned out (note that this topic ban was also reviewed at ARCA immediately after it was imposed). Not that the editing was entirely trouble-free: I recall at least one appeal to me that I declined after finding topic-ban violating edits, and a search of the AE archives showed at least one other instance of topic ban violation for which they were cautioned; while these are relatively minor, the failure to mention them - and the carefully chosen "penalty-free" wording - do not really inspire confidence.

In a similar vein, the appeal also contains a rather misleading and incomplete characterization of the CSN discussion that led to the original ban: that discussion was kept open for a substantial period of time after the block took place, and an appeal was rejected by the 2007 arbcom with full knowledge of the identity of the "Mainstream astronomy" account. T. Canens (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by iantresman

Of course iantresman has not indicated that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why; he doesn't think the ban was a good ban in the first place. When he asked for it to be lifted on those grounds, he was told to go away and that what the committee would really like to see is an appeal on the grounds that the ban is not presently necessary, with none of this stuff about contesting the original merit of an ancient sanction. Now he's back with the requested evidence and his appeal is being attacked because... it's too focused on trying to say the ban isn't presently necessary, and doesn't spend enough time addressing the original merit of the ancient sanction. I know there's no overlap between the individual arbs commenting on the two appeals, but iantresman is really getting the runaround here. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by iantresman

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@Iantresman: Please describe what the reasons for the topic ban were and how you would address these concerns in your future editing in the topic area if the ban is lifted. Please also describe in general terms which articles you want to create or which contributions you intend to make if the ban is lifted. Sandstein 14:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I would decline to lift the ban. Iantresman writes that "I don't know what the reasons were for my ban". However, according to the link he provides, it is very clear that the reason was that Iantresman was considered to have been advocating the inclusion of fringe or pseudoscience content in violation of policies and ArbCom decisions applicable to such content. Given that the ban has remained in force without successful appeal for some 6 years, I must assume that these concerns were valid. In this appeal Iantresman does not indicate that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. It therefore appears to me that the ban is still needed to prevent the recurrence of the concerns that led to the ban being imposed in 2012. Sandstein 17:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

This is starting to languish. I'm inclined to lift the ban on the basis that reimposing it if there is trouble will be very cheap indeed. There's been six years of trouble-free editing; not as high volume as before the ban but still apparently solid and trouble-free work. I would like to hear whether Timotheus Canens agrees first, though. GoldenRing (talk) 11:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Decline per Tony. GoldenRing (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I would lean towards provisionally rescinding the ban, under the same conditions outlined by User:GoldenRing. The lack of understanding about why the ban was imposed in the first place is seriously unimpressive, but most of the problematic behaviour seems to have been quite some time ago. If there is any problems around disruptive pseudoscience related edits, it could be re-instated rather quickly and easily. Lankiveil 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC).
I agree with Sandstein, and think we should decline to lift this. I am seeing no reason to lift this ban and "it has worked at preventing disruption" is not a good reason to lift it either. Related to the last point, I also find Tim's statement compelling, and I generally trust his judgement on these matters and see no reason why we should go against the sanctioning admin who opposes lifting the appeal at this time.TonyBallioni (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Dagduba lokhande

Blocked for one week with a warning that future violations may lead to an indefinite block --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Dagduba lokhande User who is submitting this request for enforcement Capitals00 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Dagduba lokhande (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBPAK : Topic banned from anything related to B. R. Ambedkar (including family members), Buddhism, Caste in India, politics related to Dalits, broadly construed, applicable across the entire English Misplaced Pages, including but not limited to articles, templates, categories, images, user pages, drafts, portals, and their respective topic pages. Diff of the notification of above topic ban, and this action was logged too. Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Clear violation of topic ban from 11 April: Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any a block of 48 hours for violating topic ban. If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Additional comments by editor filing complaint I don't believe that he understands he is topic banned, despite having been told too clearly. Capitals00 (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC) Diff of topic ban notification and log entry added above now. Capitals00 (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC) @RegentsPark and SpacemanSpiff: Given that he edited nearly 45 days after his block on 26 February and he did nothing but violate his topic ban, it seems that one week block won't do anything because whenever Dagduba lokhande returns to Misplaced Pages, he violates his topic ban despite it has been clarified to him very clearly. His talk page messages show he is capable of understanding what is being told to him, yet he continues to intentionally violate topic ban. Just like the recent block on संदेश हिवाळे, I believe Dagduba lokhande should be indeffed too. Capitals00 (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Dagduba lokhande Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Dagduba lokhande Statement by (username) Result concerning Dagduba lokhande This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. Please add the diff with which the topic ban was imposed. Sandstein 16:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC) That would be by @SpacemanSpiff:. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:50, 15 April 2018 (UTC) Looks like a clear violation. Second violation, I suggest 1 week block. --regentspark (comment) 20:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC) This is actually the third set of violations (set because there are always multiples). I let off with a warning the first time. A one week block seems appropriate now.—SpacemanSpiff 06:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC) Agreed that a one-week block is appropriate. Sandstein 15:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Blocked for one week with a warning that future violations may lead to an indefinite block --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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Request concerning Dagduba lokhande

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Capitals00 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Dagduba lokhande (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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WP:ARBPAK : Topic banned from anything related to B. R. Ambedkar (including family members), Buddhism, Caste in India, politics related to Dalits, broadly construed, applicable across the entire English Misplaced Pages, including but not limited to articles, templates, categories, images, user pages, drafts, portals, and their respective topic pages.

Diff of the notification of above topic ban, and this action was logged too.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Clear violation of topic ban from 11 April:

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any: a block of 48 hours for violating topic ban.

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I don't believe that he understands he is topic banned, despite having been told too clearly. Capitals00 (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Diff of topic ban notification and log entry added above now. Capitals00 (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@RegentsPark and SpacemanSpiff: Given that he edited nearly 45 days after his block on 26 February and he did nothing but violate his topic ban, it seems that one week block won't do anything because whenever Dagduba lokhande returns to Misplaced Pages, he violates his topic ban despite it has been clarified to him very clearly. His talk page messages show he is capable of understanding what is being told to him, yet he continues to intentionally violate topic ban. Just like the recent block on संदेश हिवाळे, I believe Dagduba lokhande should be indeffed too. Capitals00 (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please add the diff with which the topic ban was imposed. Sandstein 16:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
That would be by @SpacemanSpiff:. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:50, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Looks like a clear violation. Second violation, I suggest 1 week block. --regentspark (comment) 20:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
This is actually the third set of violations (set because there are always multiples). I let off with a warning the first time. A one week block seems appropriate now.—SpacemanSpiff 06:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Agreed that a one-week block is appropriate. Sandstein 15:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Scjessey

No Action Spartaz 11:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Scjessey User who is submitting this request for enforcement Netoholic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Scjessey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Discretionary sanctions (1932 cutoff) : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835905480 (initial addition of "hate group" by Scjessey) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836208995 (initial addition of "anti-immigrant") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835955264 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835970094 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836162209 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836259284 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=prev&oldid=836267518 (incivility "I'm British, which almost certainly means my English is better than yours. And who gives a fuck about..." https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836399003 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant" and "hate group") https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836399003 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant" and "hate group", removing sources) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=prev&oldid=836719692 (gaming - notifies talk of his revert above, but throws in a warning to others not to transgress DS sanctions) Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 23 December 2017 "blocked 24 hours for not gaining consensus before restoring an edit that was challenged, via reversion, in violation of DS at Presidency of Donald Trump." 2 January 2018 AE log was later striked by blocking admin, no further explanation If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 30 March 2018. Given an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 14 April 2018 Discretionary sanctions notice was placed on the talk page of the affected article on 14 April 2018 Additional comments by editor filing complaint I ran across this edit war somewhat in progress. Several editors were tag-teaming with an aggressive IP user (who has already been blocked), but I identify Scjessey as a particularly aggressive participant who exacerbated the edit war and repeatedly reinserted challenged material. I attempted to quell the situation by adding three additional sources and removing all the contentious language that these sources didn't all agree on, and noted this on the talk page as a way to deescalate the edit war. I also contacted Scjessey on his talk page. After a short break, today Scjessey removed our discussion on his talk page, calling it "BS". He then edited the article to remove the additional sources and restore the contentious labeling. This last revert, in particular since it removes the three additional sources, demonstrates that Scjessey is not interested in presenting this item in a WP:VERIFIABLE nor WP:NPOV manner (aka cherry-picking). His edit summary, claiming to be putting back a "consensus text" demonstrates that he sees consensus not as a process, but as the result of having a simple numbers advantage in an edit war. His follow-up Talk: page comment "It is important that we include this context (emphasis his) demonstrates that he sees this action more as a crusade to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. -- Netoholic @ 18:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC) As to Scjessey's claim below of not knowing this article was under the broad discretionary sanctions which apply to all post-1932 American politics, I find that groundless. His previous report against another user was within that area, and he certainly cannot claim to not be aware as his previous block was within this area also. I reminded him about the discretionary sanctions in our Talk: page conversation also. I think that he is trying to skirt his poor behavior by feigning ignorance is, frankly, insulting to this forum and to anyone involved. He has also just now taken to the article's talk page, seemingly just to notify the other participants in this edit war of this enforcement request. -- Netoholic @ 00:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Added: Starting his statement below with "Sigh" continues the trend of not treating this process with the due care and respect it deserves. Nothing about his statement indicates genuine acknowledgement of the problem and gives me no confidence his actions will change. -- Netoholic @ 00:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @MrX: - the article itself has not special restrictions, but all editors are bound by the general expectations listed under Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors, which include the requirement to comply with Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines. The chief complaints in this request are failure to adhere to policies WP:VERIFIABLE, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, Misplaced Pages:Edit warring, and Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing (RIGHTGREATWRONGS). -- Netoholic @ 00:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Scjessey and MrX (who also participated in this edit war) have asked about "boomeranging". My response is that I have made only 2 changes to the article - one to remove a section of a sentence that contained phrasing which was the direct cause of an active edit war, and the second was to remove the entire line to put the article back to a pre-edit war consensus version prior to its recent inclusion. I am not involved in this edit war in any way other than to see it end. I feel like asking for a "boomerang" on such flimsy reasoning is itself gaming the system, which also goes against Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors. -- Netoholic @ 00:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Scjessey has doubled-down on his claim of lack of awareness, but on 29 March 2018, he removed a standard DS notice from another involved user's talk page which reads "the Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people". He is well aware that any edits in this area are applicable under DS. More gaming and obfuscation. -- Netoholic @ 01:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: - I don't believe its possible for Scjessey to have "recognized that they acted improperly" when he several times in his responses here has lied (laughably, provably) about not knowing this topic was under general discretionary sanctions. Even if you disagree, the only recognition he's given us for his actions is "my bad". Nothing he's said has given any indication that this is unlikely to happen again. -- Netoholic @ 06:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC) SPECIFICO has joined us asking why I "popped up here", but let's instead look at how he did. Scjessey contacted SPECIFICO on his talk page at 10:34, 13 April 2018. SPECIFICO had never before edit this article, but did so at 13:03 and then got involved in the talk page starting at 09:133 14 April. SPECIFICO should have recused himself from the discussion, since he was canvassed, but his involvement on that article and now this AE are the result of WP:Canvassing by Scjessey - another example of poor conduct that Scjessey has exhibited in this topic area. -- Netoholic @ 21:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Bishonen: - While the prior block may or may not be applicable towards escalating action against Scjessey, it is certainly one of many things I've linked here which prove that Scjessey was aware that edits related to Trump are within the general discretionary sanctions provisions. Scjessey noted this himself even as he resumed the edit warring. If you still feel he was unaware, I will be happy to go thru this and more evidence point by point, but I've already provided at least 5 solid instances within the last couple of months that show he must be aware. -- Netoholic @ 02:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Scjessey&diff=836768687&oldid=836716845 Discussion concerning Scjessey Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Scjessey Sigh. To be honest, I did not realize the article in question was under Arbcom restrictions until I noted so here. My bad. I own that, and if administrators believe a sanction is warranted, I will not complain. Prior to that, I made edits consistent with what I believe were appropriate, and I did not violate 3RR (although it is hard to see from the incorrectly formatted diffs above). I explained myself by creating a talk page section (diff) and discussing it with other editors, most of whom agreed with my rationale either explicitly, or in the form of affirming edits to the article. I even checked myself with another editor (diff) to make sure I wasn't on the wrong track. A consensus has formed around this version of the text, with the only dissent coming from the editor with the creative revisionism presented above. I don't have much else to say, other than it wouldn't surprise me if the reporting editor got whacked with the proverbial boomerang. -- Scjessey (talk) 23:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC) @MrX: I noticed it has a little warning template at the top of the talk page that says: "The use of discretionary sanctions has been authorized by the Arbitration Committee for pages related to all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people, including this article. Please consult the awareness criteria and edit carefully." It does not, however, have the "WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES" I would normally look out for. That is why I did not realize until later that the article (or perhaps parts of the article?) was included. I did not think to check the DSLOG. Thank you for giving a better explanation of the circumstances than I could. -- Scjessey (talk) 01:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Netoholic: Just to clarify, the "previous sanction" of mine you highlighted was given to me erroneously, which is why it was struck from the record. Also, it appears I haven't actually violated anything (at least, not to the letter of the policy), but I commend you on your industrious effort to comb through my contributions and look for anything you can bring up here to reinforce your revisionist narrative. I'm still clear as to why you have chosen to go on this fruitless crusade, when surely your best strategy was to start an RfC on the content in question? -- Scjessey (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: You refer to my "substantial edit warring" in your comment below, but I don't believe it is a fair categorization. At no time did I violate WP:3RR. The incorrectly formatted diffs presented by the reporting editor make it difficult to follow, so I present annotated diffs of ALL my reversions over the five day period to that article with dates and times: A pure reversion on April 11, 2018 at 17:33 A partial reversion, updated to address concerns of editor, on April 12, 2018 at 09:39 A pure reversion (because of weird language) on April 13, 2018 at 06:24 A pure reversion on April 13, 2018 at 13:52 A partial reversion on April 16, 2018 at 09:23 Certainly an argument can be made for a violation of WP:1RR, but the article wasn't (and still isn't) under that restriction. -- Scjessey (talk) 10:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by MrX Scjessey has not violated any editing restriction nor is his conduct violative of the principles or finding of the underlying Arbcom case. Contrarily, Netoholic has edited against consensus, and failed to accept a clear consensus established on the talk page. (See recent article history and recent talk page history). Netoholic is the only editor arguing to omit material, against four editors arguing to include it. That is, if you discount the IP sock who uses web host proxies to avoid scrutiny. Boomerang? - Mr X 🖋 23:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC) @Scjessey: The article is not under any editing restrictions. It lacks the required edit notice and is not logged at WP:DSLOG - Mr X 🖋 23:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC) Netoholic, your explanation of how the edits violate the sanction or remedy (not expectations or guidelines), are "reverting to restore challenged material". There is no restriction on reverting to restore challenged material. You're conflating several unrelated things in what appears to be an effort to gain the upper hand in a content dispute.- Mr X 🖋 00:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Scjessey, yes anyone can place a DS notice template on an appropriate article talk page. Only admins can place an article under editing restrictions, and they must follow the process described at WP:AC/DS#sanctions.page and WP:AC/DS#sanctions.log.- Mr X 🖋 02:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by SPECIFICO The edit-warring IP was banned. There's clear consensus in support of Scjessey's edits among the editors on the article and talk page. There were no page restrictions in effect. The accuser, Netoholic has aggressively edited against consensus with absurd justifications that have been patiently refuted by the other editors on the talk page. He then launched into various forms of personal disparagement culminating with this defective AE complaint. Not sure why he even popped up at this, of all articles. As MrX states, a boomerang is in order for this extreme and entirely unjustified escalation against Scjessey. SPECIFICO talk 18:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC) I was not "canvassed" to the article. I was asked neutrally to take a look and I made an edit unrelated to the bit that Netoholic is edit-warring. SPECIFICO talk 00:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC) After it was clear Netoholic was a single editor against a consensus of 6 others, none of the six escalated by preemptively reinstating the consensus content. It was patiently suggested to Netoholic that his best recourse was an RfC. Instead he chose personal attacks, this bogus AE report on a page that had no DS page restriction, and misrepresentation of Scjessey's record and actions. SPECIFICO talk 02:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Scjessey This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. I think that this article is within the scope of US politics discretionary sanctions, and Scjessey was properly aware of those. It's hard not to see Scjessey's conduct here as edit-warring. In that regard the request has merit. (The rest of the complaints about verifiability, undueness etc. are primarily content disputes which AE does not address; the same goes for claims that "Netoholic has edited against consensus".) Considering that Scjessey has recognized that they acted improperly here, and that they have no prior (unstruck) sanctions, I believe that a logged warning against edit-warring would suffice in this case. Sandstein 06:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC) I have to note that I disagree with the assessments below that no action is necessary. This is quite clearly substantial edit-warring by Scjessey, irrespective of whether others have also behaved badly and whether Scjessey has also engaged in constructive discussion. I think that a warning is at the lower bound of the range of appropriate admin reactions here. Sandstein 09:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC) (ec) A few formalities: It's hard to see how this article wouldn't fall under the post-1932 American politics discretionary sanctions; Scjessey is aware of those sanctions, having been sanctioned under them in the past 12 months (though apparently successfully appealed, this still counts for awareness); There are no active page restrictions on this article (no 1RR, consensus required etc). With that out the way, I don't see a case for action here. There has been some edit-warring on the article, and an IP was blocked for it. How CIS is described in the article is fundamentally a content question to be decided by consensus. Scjessey started a discussion at the TP and that appears to be reaching a conclusion. If others are unhappy with that, the next step is to start an RfC and try to attract a wider audience to the discussion (neutrally, of course). GoldenRing (talk) 06:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC) The "previous relevant sanctions" that the OP refers to aren't actually relevant. An admin made a bad block on 23 December 2017, and then after a lot of blowback on ANI realized it was bad and struck it in the AE log, as well as withdrawing it in the block log. It wasn't a question of being "successfully appealed" by Scjessey, as GoldenRing supposes (understandably). The block had more to do with the admin than with Scjessey, and needn't be taken into consideration here. Partly for that reason, I believe Scjessey when he says he wasn't aware the article was under DS. I don't think a sanction, or actually a logged warning either, is warranted. It would be quite ironic if Scjessey got one of those because of a bad old block, which was probably a disagreeable enough experience in itself. Bishonen \| talk 23:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC). I agree with GoldenRing and Bishonen. --NeilN 03:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Also agree with GR and Bishonen. The incivility is never excusable, but it was in response to a fairly patronising comment from an IP. Scjessy is participating in consensus building, appropriately, on the talk page. No actions are necessary. Fish+Karate 08:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Request concerning Scjessey

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Netoholic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Scjessey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Discretionary sanctions (1932 cutoff) :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835905480 (initial addition of "hate group" by Scjessey)
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836208995 (initial addition of "anti-immigrant")

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835955264 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group")
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=835970094 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group")
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836162209 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "hate group")
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836259284 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant")
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=prev&oldid=836267518 (incivility "I'm British, which almost certainly means my English is better than yours. And who gives a fuck about..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836399003 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant" and "hate group")
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=next&oldid=836399003 (Scjessey reverting to restore challenged material "anti-immigrant" and "hate group", removing sources)
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier&diff=prev&oldid=836719692 (gaming - notifies talk of his revert above, but throws in a warning to others not to transgress DS sanctions)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

23 December 2017 "blocked 24 hours for not gaining consensus before restoring an edit that was challenged, via reversion, in violation of DS at Presidency of Donald Trump."
- 2 January 2018 AE log was later striked by blocking admin, no further explanation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 30 March 2018.
Given an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 14 April 2018
Discretionary sanctions notice was placed on the talk page of the affected article on 14 April 2018

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I ran across this edit war somewhat in progress. Several editors were tag-teaming with an aggressive IP user (who has already been blocked), but I identify Scjessey as a particularly aggressive participant who exacerbated the edit war and repeatedly reinserted challenged material. I attempted to quell the situation by adding three additional sources and removing all the contentious language that these sources didn't all agree on, and noted this on the talk page as a way to deescalate the edit war. I also contacted Scjessey on his talk page. After a short break, today Scjessey removed our discussion on his talk page, calling it "BS". He then edited the article to remove the additional sources and restore the contentious labeling. This last revert, in particular since it removes the three additional sources, demonstrates that Scjessey is not interested in presenting this item in a WP:VERIFIABLE nor WP:NPOV manner (aka cherry-picking). His edit summary, claiming to be putting back a "consensus text" demonstrates that he sees consensus not as a process, but as the result of having a simple numbers advantage in an edit war. His follow-up Talk: page comment "It is important that we include this context (emphasis his) demonstrates that he sees this action more as a crusade to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. -- Netoholic @ 18:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

As to Scjessey's claim below of not knowing this article was under the broad discretionary sanctions which apply to all post-1932 American politics, I find that groundless. His previous report against another user was within that area, and he certainly cannot claim to not be aware as his previous block was within this area also. I reminded him about the discretionary sanctions in our Talk: page conversation also. I think that he is trying to skirt his poor behavior by feigning ignorance is, frankly, insulting to this forum and to anyone involved. He has also just now taken to the article's talk page, seemingly just to notify the other participants in this edit war of this enforcement request. -- Netoholic @ 00:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Added: Starting his statement below with "Sigh" continues the trend of not treating this process with the due care and respect it deserves. Nothing about his statement indicates genuine acknowledgement of the problem and gives me no confidence his actions will change. -- Netoholic @ 00:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@MrX: - the article itself has not special restrictions, but all editors are bound by the general expectations listed under Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors, which include the requirement to comply with Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines. The chief complaints in this request are failure to adhere to policies WP:VERIFIABLE, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, Misplaced Pages:Edit warring, and Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing (RIGHTGREATWRONGS). -- Netoholic @ 00:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Scjessey and MrX (who also participated in this edit war) have asked about "boomeranging". My response is that I have made only 2 changes to the article - one to remove a section of a sentence that contained phrasing which was the direct cause of an active edit war, and the second was to remove the entire line to put the article back to a pre-edit war consensus version prior to its recent inclusion. I am not involved in this edit war in any way other than to see it end. I feel like asking for a "boomerang" on such flimsy reasoning is itself gaming the system, which also goes against Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors. -- Netoholic @ 00:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Scjessey has doubled-down on his claim of lack of awareness, but on 29 March 2018, he removed a standard DS notice from another involved user's talk page which reads "the Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people". He is well aware that any edits in this area are applicable under DS. More gaming and obfuscation. -- Netoholic @ 01:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: - I don't believe its possible for Scjessey to have "recognized that they acted improperly" when he several times in his responses here has lied (laughably, provably) about not knowing this topic was under general discretionary sanctions. Even if you disagree, the only recognition he's given us for his actions is "my bad". Nothing he's said has given any indication that this is unlikely to happen again. -- Netoholic @ 06:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

SPECIFICO has joined us asking why I "popped up here", but let's instead look at how he did. Scjessey contacted SPECIFICO on his talk page at 10:34, 13 April 2018. SPECIFICO had never before edit this article, but did so at 13:03 and then got involved in the talk page starting at 09:133 14 April. SPECIFICO should have recused himself from the discussion, since he was canvassed, but his involvement on that article and now this AE are the result of WP:Canvassing by Scjessey - another example of poor conduct that Scjessey has exhibited in this topic area. -- Netoholic @ 21:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bishonen: - While the prior block may or may not be applicable towards escalating action against Scjessey, it is certainly one of many things I've linked here which prove that Scjessey was aware that edits related to Trump are within the general discretionary sanctions provisions. Scjessey noted this himself even as he resumed the edit warring. If you still feel he was unaware, I will be happy to go thru this and more evidence point by point, but I've already provided at least 5 solid instances within the last couple of months that show he must be aware. -- Netoholic @ 02:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Scjessey&diff=836768687&oldid=836716845

Discussion concerning Scjessey

Statement by Scjessey

Sigh. To be honest, I did not realize the article in question was under Arbcom restrictions until I noted so here. My bad. I own that, and if administrators believe a sanction is warranted, I will not complain. Prior to that, I made edits consistent with what I believe were appropriate, and I did not violate 3RR (although it is hard to see from the incorrectly formatted diffs above). I explained myself by creating a talk page section (diff) and discussing it with other editors, most of whom agreed with my rationale either explicitly, or in the form of affirming edits to the article. I even checked myself with another editor (diff) to make sure I wasn't on the wrong track. A consensus has formed around this version of the text, with the only dissent coming from the editor with the creative revisionism presented above. I don't have much else to say, other than it wouldn't surprise me if the reporting editor got whacked with the proverbial boomerang. -- Scjessey (talk) 23:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@MrX: I noticed it has a little warning template at the top of the talk page that says:

"The use of discretionary sanctions has been authorized by the Arbitration Committee for pages related to all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people, including this article. Please consult the awareness criteria and edit carefully."

It does not, however, have the "WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES" I would normally look out for. That is why I did not realize until later that the article (or perhaps parts of the article?) was included. I did not think to check the DSLOG. Thank you for giving a better explanation of the circumstances than I could. -- Scjessey (talk) 01:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Netoholic: Just to clarify, the "previous sanction" of mine you highlighted was given to me erroneously, which is why it was struck from the record. Also, it appears I haven't actually violated anything (at least, not to the letter of the policy), but I commend you on your industrious effort to comb through my contributions and look for anything you can bring up here to reinforce your revisionist narrative. I'm still clear as to why you have chosen to go on this fruitless crusade, when surely your best strategy was to start an RfC on the content in question? -- Scjessey (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: You refer to my "substantial edit warring" in your comment below, but I don't believe it is a fair categorization. At no time did I violate WP:3RR. The incorrectly formatted diffs presented by the reporting editor make it difficult to follow, so I present annotated diffs of ALL my reversions over the five day period to that article with dates and times:

Certainly an argument can be made for a violation of WP:1RR, but the article wasn't (and still isn't) under that restriction. -- Scjessey (talk) 10:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by MrX

Scjessey has not violated any editing restriction nor is his conduct violative of the principles or finding of the underlying Arbcom case. Contrarily, Netoholic has edited against consensus, and failed to accept a clear consensus established on the talk page. (See recent article history and recent talk page history). Netoholic is the only editor arguing to omit material, against four editors arguing to include it. That is, if you discount the IP sock who uses web host proxies to avoid scrutiny.

Boomerang? - Mr X 🖋 23:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Scjessey: The article is not under any editing restrictions. It lacks the required edit notice and is not logged at WP:DSLOG - Mr X 🖋 23:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Netoholic, your explanation of how the edits violate the sanction or remedy (not expectations or guidelines), are "reverting to restore challenged material". There is no restriction on reverting to restore challenged material. You're conflating several unrelated things in what appears to be an effort to gain the upper hand in a content dispute.- Mr X 🖋 00:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Scjessey, yes anyone can place a DS notice template on an appropriate article talk page. Only admins can place an article under editing restrictions, and they must follow the process described at WP:AC/DS#sanctions.page and WP:AC/DS#sanctions.log.- Mr X 🖋 02:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by SPECIFICO

The edit-warring IP was banned. There's clear consensus in support of Scjessey's edits among the editors on the article and talk page. There were no page restrictions in effect. The accuser, Netoholic has aggressively edited against consensus with absurd justifications that have been patiently refuted by the other editors on the talk page. He then launched into various forms of personal disparagement culminating with this defective AE complaint. Not sure why he even popped up at this, of all articles. As MrX states, a boomerang is in order for this extreme and entirely unjustified escalation against Scjessey. SPECIFICO talk 18:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I was not "canvassed" to the article. I was asked neutrally to take a look and I made an edit unrelated to the bit that Netoholic is edit-warring. SPECIFICO talk 00:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

After it was clear Netoholic was a single editor against a consensus of 6 others, none of the six escalated by preemptively reinstating the consensus content. It was patiently suggested to Netoholic that his best recourse was an RfC. Instead he chose personal attacks, this bogus AE report on a page that had no DS page restriction, and misrepresentation of Scjessey's record and actions. SPECIFICO talk 02:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Result concerning Scjessey

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I think that this article is within the scope of US politics discretionary sanctions, and Scjessey was properly aware of those. It's hard not to see Scjessey's conduct here as edit-warring. In that regard the request has merit. (The rest of the complaints about verifiability, undueness etc. are primarily content disputes which AE does not address; the same goes for claims that "Netoholic has edited against consensus".) Considering that Scjessey has recognized that they acted improperly here, and that they have no prior (unstruck) sanctions, I believe that a logged warning against edit-warring would suffice in this case. Sandstein 06:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I have to note that I disagree with the assessments below that no action is necessary. This is quite clearly substantial edit-warring by Scjessey, irrespective of whether others have also behaved badly and whether Scjessey has also engaged in constructive discussion. I think that a warning is at the lower bound of the range of appropriate admin reactions here. Sandstein 09:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

(ec) A few formalities:
- It's hard to see how this article wouldn't fall under the post-1932 American politics discretionary sanctions;
- Scjessey is aware of those sanctions, having been sanctioned under them in the past 12 months (though apparently successfully appealed, this still counts for awareness);
- There are no active page restrictions on this article (no 1RR, consensus required etc).
With that out the way, I don't see a case for action here. There has been some edit-warring on the article, and an IP was blocked for it. How CIS is described in the article is fundamentally a content question to be decided by consensus. Scjessey started a discussion at the TP and that appears to be reaching a conclusion. If others are unhappy with that, the next step is to start an RfC and try to attract a wider audience to the discussion (neutrally, of course). GoldenRing (talk) 06:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The "previous relevant sanctions" that the OP refers to aren't actually relevant. An admin made a bad block on 23 December 2017, and then after a lot of blowback on ANI realized it was bad and struck it in the AE log, as well as withdrawing it in the block log. It wasn't a question of being "successfully appealed" by Scjessey, as GoldenRing supposes (understandably). The block had more to do with the admin than with Scjessey, and needn't be taken into consideration here. Partly for that reason, I believe Scjessey when he says he wasn't aware the article was under DS. I don't think a sanction, or actually a logged warning either, is warranted. It would be quite ironic if Scjessey got one of those because of a bad old block, which was probably a disagreeable enough experience in itself. Bishonen | talk 23:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC).
I agree with GoldenRing and Bishonen. --NeilN 03:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Also agree with GR and Bishonen. The incivility is never excusable, but it was in response to a fairly patronising comment from an IP. Scjessy is participating in consensus building, appropriately, on the talk page. No actions are necessary. Fish+Karate 08:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Js82

Request concerning Js82

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: D4iNa4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:52, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Js82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

POV pushing: ,

Edit warring and depending on edit summaries for discussion:

Personal attacks, incivility, alleging others of assuming bad faith:-

: ignored the question and alleges other editor of "do not like it".
"what I'm seeing here seems to be WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT"
"I'm trying my best to be nice, but do not make the mistake of construing that as some sort of weakness."
"Are you really asking me to spoon-feed you ?".. " you are displaying a remarkable lack of effort & sincerity really."
"propose your text if you have any, rather than making baseless allegations and asking for spoon-feeding, without even having read the sources. Quit WP:OWN."

Despite objections from at least 4 editors towards his version that includes quote farming, he claims "I have not seen any real reason to exclude the quote." This message shows his complete failure to adhere to consensus.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

October 2015, topic banned from all Indian religions which includes Sikhism for 6 months.
October 2016, topic banned from all Sikhism articles for an indefinite period.
September 2017, indeffed for violating topic ban.

Topic ban was removed in February 2018, but with extreme caution that he will "end up in the same situation, this time with no avenue to return", if he engaged in disruption again.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts): Sanctioned before in the area of conflict per above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: Notified.

Discussion concerning Js82

Statement by Js82

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Js82

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