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Infoboxes for Taluks of India

Is there any infobox template which can be used on article page of a taluk or do we use the one that is used for "cities and towns in India"

Also, can someone please make a list of all the India-specific infoboxes and templates and put it on one page and add a link to that page in the Template:Indiaquicklinks box? People who've been around forever might know where to find all thes boxes, but for relatively new people it is a big pain finding the right boxes and templates for articles.

Also, how about providing the link to edit an infobox in the box itself. I have seen it on some boxes but not all boxes. It is not easy for someone to figure the right urls for thes boxes. I feel all infoboxes should mandatorily have the link to edit it. How about making it a policy?

Sarvagnya 19:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hellooo. Anybody here? Sarvagnya 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess nobody answered your question for so long as people are sleeping at that time. :) People here are active duing IST daylight hours. It's a bad idea to create links to templates to correct something for newbies. It's not too difficult for them to learn about templates either. They can always ask. If you go to the edit mode of the page, it's very easy to jump to a template. Why don't you go ahead and create a taluka infobox prototype? =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes.. I agree it might not be such a good idea afterall to make it easy for newbies to edit templates. But I still feel there should atleast be a listing of all relevant templates and infoboxes on one page. As for the taluka infobox, i'd be glad to create one myself, but I have observed that most of the talukas are presently categorised under "cities and towns of India" and use the infoboxes for that. So I dont want to add to any confusion. As it is, in my opinion, the categorisations are a big mess. Thats a different question, will take that up later.

For now, the question remains. What about an infobox for talukas? The reason I ask is I recently created this page, but observed that most(maybe all) the taluk article pages are missing infoboxes. Counterparts from other states like this one are using different templates not to mention they're categorised under cities and towns of india. I hope you get my drift. Thanks and waiting for a reply. Sarvagnya 07:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I second that. And note that the Article for city is different from the article for the District and that is different from the article for the Taluk. Hence We can very well go with a infobox and add to pages that talk about the taluk.  Doctor Bruno Talk 03:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I can help. I think we can merge this into the existing infobox with a type, Taluk. Right now, city, district and state all share the same template. What additional fields do you need for a taluk? Can you list them here? - Ganeshk (talk) 04:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

oops.. sorry. This had fallen off my radar for a while. I got back to it today. Basically the 'extra' fields I can think of is,

• District - district
• Taluk Panchayat(T P) HQ - hq
• T P Leader - Set leader_title(_2/3) as Tahsildar and set leader_name(_2/3) to the person.
• Occupation(??) - Why do we need this?

Feel free to add. Sarvagnya 21:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Most fields are already in the {{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction}}. I marked them next to each one. Why do we need the occupation? I have added a new type called taluk to set a different color for the title. I have updated Sindhanur to show you an example. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Project banner change

The project banner is growing too big with all the new parameters, portals and other information. Talk pages are starting to get too cluttered due to this. I am testing a new layout where all that detail gets hidden except for the quality scale. With a click of a button, an interested viewer can see all the information. I wanted to get an opinion from everyone whether to proceed with this. I have also removed Guidelines and Noticeboard links. I have them linked on the Indian project navigation bar. Here is how it will look, {{User:Ganeshk/sandbox|class=FA|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu}} Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Which WikiProject of India is supporting the article should not be hidden in my opinion, because people could know more about the project by doing so. The article goes to Category:"portalname" portal selected articles, but all the portals do not have the same category for portal. e.g. Portal:Government of India. Could one link for selected articles on this portal be made available on the template? Regards, Shyam 08:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Shyam, Thanks for your comments. I have changed the banner to show the workgroups now. The category name needs to be like that so it is consistent across portals. Do you see any other issues other than the naming itself? The portal sentence was made generic so that it can accept mulitple portals. It's difficult to change it to show a link to selected articles of any single portal. I was thinking of adding a "archive link" in braces after each portal name, but felt that would make the sentence too complicated. I have trimmed the banner even further, removed the portal link (its making the box big), and here it is:

{{User:Ganeshk/sandbox2|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}

I have also added a feature to allow for comments to be added in a sub-page. This will help the editors to understand what the article is lacking and what improvements need to be made.

For comparison, the same parameters in the older version of the banner would have generated:

{{WP India|class=B|importance=Top|portal=yes|cities=yes|group-portal1=Tamil Nadu|group-portal2=Kerala}}

Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 01:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the 2nd one showing the class and workgroup looks good. The rest of the information is not really critical and can be hidden -- Lost 02:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, second one looks better. Could the line stated "For more information, please visit the project page." be removed because the link for project page is same as stated in previous line i.e. WikiProject India. For Portal:Government of India, is it possible to make seperate link similar to Portal:India. Shyam 10:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost, Shyam, Thanks for your comments. I have rephrased the line, to "If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.". It helps recruiting new members. If we do that for GOI, we will have do it for all other portals too, the template gets too complicated. The banner helps categorize the articles as selected. The rest of information can be obtained on the group-portal itself. I am moving the changes to the template now. Thanks again, Ganeshk (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Mall sainthwar/Mall sainthwar rajputs

I prodded it, as I can't verify the term; can somebody more familiar with India look at it and check if it is a hoax or a misspelled but encyclopedic article?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Input very much appreciate at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mall sainthwar, there are users citing non-English sources that we have trouble veryfing.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear, What do you mean to say by non English sources? Do you mean that the facts which don't have citation of an english source, does not exist? My dear hindi is a language which is spoken/understood by 100 million people.. mind you, I repeat 100 million people i.e. almost one sixth of the world population. Shalendra Singh, Gorakhpur, U.P., India

Please see WP:RS#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English. Foreign language sources are acceptable, but English ones are prefferable. Also, since there are for obvious reasons not useful for most of our readers, it would be good if some users proficient in that language could verify that such books exist and contain the mentioned information, in light of this information being non-existant in English sources.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The community Mall- Sainthwar belongs to Hindi Heartland of India. The area has given many and most of Hindi Literature Writers( Peots, Writers, Dramatists, Historians). So History related to this area is available in Hindi. English writing in this area had been a rare existence.

Natinal level english historian has often missed this and many of other communities because they had written National level history and very often missed local and regional historical developments and communities.

Thanks

N P Singh

Government of India Portal is on peer review

Government of India Portal is on peer review of India WikiProject. Please suggest to make it improve on the Peer-review page. Regards, Shyam 11:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main_Page#Obscurity

Our success was being talked about :) Gizza 04:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Quite interesting how well the Indian side of Misplaced Pages has done, but with that in mind, India does have the largest number of English-speakers in the world. Nobleeagle 06:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Kudos to all FA and DYK authors. Great job! - Ganeshk (talk) 06:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Project wishlist

The project wishlist has all the projects red-linked. Could someone explain, why is it so? Shyam 15:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It is because it is a wish-list. They are all yet to be created. We can remove them once they become blue. WikiProject Indian Cuisine is coming soon. (hopefully :)) Regards, Ganeshk (talk)

Thanks, but make sure the project name should be Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India/Cuisine before launching :D, Shyam 16:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Local language map

There is a disagreement on the Talk:India about whether a local language script map is suitable for the demographics section. Additional comments at the article's talk page will really help. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be a big mess? Also, if an area has two or three different languages spoken by the people, does it mean all 2 or 3 scripts will be used? This is, after all, the *English* wikipedia, and maps, images, etc. needs to be in English. Having 4 or 5 names for each small chunk will be a horrible mess. --Ragib 17:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes...It would be lot of mess and there will be disputes of what language is spoken most. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not put the map in another article, perhaps List of national languages of India and link to it from India? --BostonMA 17:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The map is nice, but I agree with Boston MA, that it should illustrate the national langs of India.Bakaman _Bakatalk 19:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is Pondicherry written in the Malayalam script on the map? Also, Andhra is missing a Pradesh in its name. Can these problems be fixed? -- Arvind 22:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Dalitstan-based articles at Catalan wiki

There are a lot of articles at the Catalan wikipedia, based on the entirely fictional website dalitstan.org. These include ca:Hezb-i-Mughalstan, Front d'Allberament de Rajputana (anyone ever heard of the Rajputana Liberation Front?), etc. See ca:Categoria:Partits polítics de l'Índia. --Soman 21:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, now that dalitstan got banned in India, Barcelona seems to be their new hub. HIM is no political party. At best its Anti-Hindu cruft, at worst its akin with SIMI. Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The point is that HIM doesn't, and never did, exist. Its just one of many imaginary outfits whose sole existance is on the dalistan website. --Soman 11:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Need some info

Does anyone know when the last census with caste-based data was taken? I think it was 1931 but I need to be sure before I write an article. Thanks in advance. --Antorjal 17:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hindu temple in Malibu

I have uploaded a lot of pictures of the Malibu Hindu Temple in Calabasas, California. I was thinking to get a FP nom while taking the pics. :) Please do check out and comment. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

This one which has a lunar halo around the top of the tower is great! You have my vote in WP:FPC. -- Sundar 10:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

That was the lone old picture of the lot. I had uploaded it in December 2005. It failed a Indian portal selected picture nom. Did not bother to take it any further. Thanks for your comment though. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Workgroup-level quality statistics

I have added all the sub-groups under WikiProject India to the Version 1.0 project. I updated the project's navigation bar to show the individual group's statistics at the bottom. This helps each group to work individually on the quality, while the quality of the articles in the project overall gets improved too. Please check bottom of the navigation bar of the Kerala project for an example. You should see 1FA and 1A quality articles. Please let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 07:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

To explain a little further, a bot, Mathbot runs through this list of projects and creates statistics and log pages for each project (every night at 3 AM UTC). For example, the following are Kerala-related pages that the bot updates, Kerala articles by quality, Kerala articles by quality statistics, and Kerala articles by quality log. I request work-group members watch list the quality log page, to look out for vandalism. Vandalism would include removing the ratings from talk pages. Such changes will displayed bolded on the log page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Warangal

I was just creating the Warangal Airport article and when I looked at the AAI site it shows the city and airport as being spelled "Warrrangal". The city article uses on one "R". Is the two "R"s an unofficial or alternate spelling? There is nothing in the city article to indicate the use of "rr". Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The official website of the Government of Andhra Pradesh spells it as Warangal.. The National Institute of Technology (the premier institute of the region) also spells it as Warangal. So, one 'R' must be the official spelling. I am not sure about the "rr" spelling. Someone from Andhra must verify that. Google gives many hits for warrangal for it to be a typo. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't have been curious but when the Airports Authority of India used "rr" I was a bit puzzled. I did also notice that there was no redirect from Warrrangal. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu location categorisation

Need comments here. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian Copyright laws

Average awareness level and seriousness about copy right laws is some how missing even amongst Indian wikipedians.Some Indian wikipedian will get caught unaware of his mistake some day and end up in jail.

Please we need to have some good articles in this respect.I have posted one article and is in dire need of support from Indian wikipedians ;please visit Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India/Fair use

Mahitgar 04:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad this has been raised. Some amendments to the Act are due soon. See Copyright website. It would be good if those with the interest can go through the amendments and clauses and comment, since this is currently open to public comment. One possible good thing for wikipedians would be to ensure that there is a clause similar to Work of Government in the US. This means that work done by government servants as part of their daily duties (non-sensitive and which can be obtained through the RTI) and funded by taxpayers is copyright free. Currently there is a 50 yr copyright on government work with some minor escape clauses. Shyamal 04:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That's unlikely to happen. Indian copyright law is based on the philosophy of English copyright law, with its notion of crown copyright for government works, broad copyright protection for works of private authorship, and specific limited exceptions for fair dealing. This is all very different from US law, with its notion of government works belonging in the public domain, and a broad principle of fair use. I don't see us convincing the government - not to mention the legal profession - to accept such a radical change of philosophy. -- Arvind 08:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA notice

I've been thinking on this for a bit and I don't feel its appropriate to list notices of RfAs of Indian editors at INWNB - it is not dignified (in terms of bringing it to attention outside of WP:RFA). Additionally, others could allege (with a level of justification) that there is "networking" going on between Indian editors. I suggest that we remove that RfA column from the collaborations list (that's strange for a start - why is a request for adminship a "collaboration?"). What say? Rama's arrow 02:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

To add, I don't think such a listing would be justified anywhere outside of WP:RFA, so I don't think we should emulate any other notice board or wikiproject. Rama's arrow 02:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It should go. -- Ganeshk (talk) 03:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree too. In fact, this was actually made into an issue in somebody's (whom I'm not able to recall) RfA. -- Sundar 06:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think DaGizza was accused of advertising. I don't mind, because I have RFA Monitoring in my side toolbox to keep up with things, but I believe in my early days it was immensely useful to know whether an Indian user was going for RFA. Most of us haven't simply voted support simply because their Indian (I remember by memory that I voted against User:Sukh). Up to you guys in the end. Nobleeagle 07:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I am all for removing it from collaboration dashboard. Definitely RfA is not a collaboration. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly the point - anyone going for an RfA shouldn't be classified as an Indian or anybody else. Its best to just check WP:RFA and its certainly not a "collaboration." Rama's arrow 11:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Does WP:ER fall into the same rationale? I would think it does, except that its largely harmless - a review is a request for advice, criticism aimed at self-improvement. Rama's arrow 14:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

ER does not fall into it. The rationale will apply to anything that involves voting, WP:RFA, Deletion sorting, WP:RM, WP:FAC, WP:FPC, WP:FLC etc. There is no consensus yet on these. Some people still feel posting on regional noticeboards will result in vote-stacking. -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Those which have to do with editors and not content are, IMO not to be advertised. India-topics articles and their issues are obviously relevant to INWNB. Rama's arrow 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's better not to list WP:RFAs here. People already question such listings as veiled ways of vote-stacking. Recently, just the mere mention of a WP:RM by Ganeshk was marked as such by others, even though that didn't involve any suggestions for how to vote.

Besides, what's the point of listing an RFA here? It is always better to see people being judged by their merits, rather than their regional ties. I personally feel that a complete stranger can judge a person's RFA candidacy better, by looking into contributions, comments, achievements etc. So, perhaps removing the RFA notices from here is a good idea. --Ragib 01:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

As a passing visitor I think it's ok to list such notices at pages were interested users congregate. Sure, there is a chance of 'voting by affiliaton', but there is also a chance of 'voting because one is interested/familiar with the issue but would not know about the vote otherwise'. Given the two and following WP:AGF I prefer to think that such ads will attract the users because of the second reason, not the first.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Categories and Categorisation of India related articles

Hi all,

I recently had a conversation with User:Darwinek about Categories. Find it HERE. If Darwinek is right as he most probably is, I guess we all have a hell of a lot of cleaning up to do on India related articles. Please take a look at the conversation and comment below. Sarvagnya 21:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, User:Darwinek is right. The cycles should be avoided -- a tree structure should be maintained wherever possible. Please see the guidelines on Misplaced Pages:Categorization#Some_general_guidelines: "Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory". While diffusing Category:Universities and colleges in India, I encountered many such cases, and fixed them. utcursch | talk 13:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh

Can someone look at the modern politics section please. It looks in bad shape. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Tamil Nadu peer review

Hi, I have request that the History of Tamil Nadu be peer reviewed. Can you please take a look and offer suggestions for improvement? Thanks - Parthi 10:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Diwali

Happy Diwali and New Year to all! Rama's arrow 15:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I second that! Gizza 06:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Diwali to all! BTW, that's my house's pic to the right. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 15:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy and prosperous Diwali and New Year wishes to all. Shreshth91, That pic is beautiful. -- Ganeshk (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't wish anyone yesterday as I was busy celebrating, so I guess it's a happy belated Diwali to everyone on Wiki! Nobleeagle 01:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Diwali to everybody!--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

A very happy diwali to all from me too. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

From me too! utcursch | talk 10:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Diwali! Effer 20:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The Hindi Reader's Digest, July 1992

The article Why did the chicken cross the road? provides a supposed origin for the joke which is cited to an article in the Hindi-language edition of Reader's Digest (Sarvottam) from July 1992. However, there are several problems with the origin cited. Could someone with access to the relevant magazine issue review the original article and confirm that what the magazine says agrees with what is stated in the Misplaced Pages article? I wonder if the Misplaced Pages editor who added this part of the article may have misunderstood what the magazine article said. Thank you. --Metropolitan90 19:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiprojects and portals

I want to ask how others feel about the new bunch of wikiprojects and portals created. Its obvious that wikiprojects and portals can be created for each Indian state and major city, but I don't think its likely that a healthy rate of activity and results will be sustained - consider the Indian states and districts wikiprojects. Take a look at the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India/Cartography - its made considerable progress but its also a unique topic.

It was absolutely cool how WP India consolidated other India wikiprojects. I suggest it would be better to create projects/portals based on zones and specific subjects like India maps. I also think discretion is need in creating these ventures. Can we issue a formal guideline or discussion? Rama's arrow 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I can also understand the argument that there is a lot of work that can be done per state. But we have to consider the issues of running a wikiproject - its better to have projects on broad topics and work with an all-India perspective. Rama's arrow 00:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we are need of a "Indian culture" WikiProject, which would be an umbrella for many smaller projects. Areas like Indian music, arts, sports (doesn't only pertain to cricket - includes hockey, kabaddi), cuisine, cinema (already have one), clothing and literature are underdeveloped compared to our cities, history and politics. Gizza 00:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No the question was do we need a reorganization of efforts or putting a block on miscellaneous creations of India-related wikiprojects. Rama's arrow 00:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As long as there is interest and participation, we should not restrict creation of these smaller projects. I have seen Australian project have sub-projects at city level. For example, Adelaide. Whatever little the sub-projects do, it is going to help the root project a lot. I am thinking the opposite, if we create a wikiproject for a broad subject like Culture wikiproject, the participation will be minimal. More people will be interested in joining smaller projects like, Dance, Music, Cinema, Sports etc. Just my 2c. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I think you make a very good point. Also, the issue includes portals, which I think require more in terms of limitations. Its not appropriate to create portals that are not of a broad topic - I would happily propose Portal:Hyderabad for deletion because even the lead article is not an FA. I suggest we develop a WP India guideline to replace the portal proposals page which was struck down. Rama's arrow 01:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Your Portal:Hyderabad's deletion nom will fail. :) There is no requirement for a the lead article of a portal to be FA. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Its unlikely to fail because "not even the lead article" is FA. There are no other sizable articles on Hyderabad, so whats the difference between the article itself and the portal? Rama's arrow 01:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

What I said was not in a serious note. I apologize for any offence. Portals can expand on templates such Topics related to Kochi. If we can find so many articles for Kochi, the same should be case for Hyd. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 03:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

What offence? Did you think I was terse, then I apologize. I was merely pointing out that there are no sizable articles, let alone FAs for Hyderabad-related topics, so the deletion nom for the portal would, IMO definitely pass. Somebody has to do something fast about Hyderabad portal's issues. Rama's arrow 04:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I requested Chirags to take a look at it. He was active in getting Hyd to FA some time back. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 04:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you on the Portals. I think interest in them will last for the short term, they will lose their "current-ness" in a few months. For that reason, I feel they should not have information that needs updating regularly. They should simply point to static related content of the subject. That way they are current for ever. If this is followed, we can have unlimited number of portals without depending on anyone to update them. I like the portal process since it gives a reader links to various resources related to the subject. But they got to be static. I also notice a lot of templates (selected article, picture etc) getting created for each portal and they are starting to clutter talk pages. I wasn't for a selected article process at the portal level since the beginning. It's a unnecessary fork of the WP:FA process. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The portals should simply display FA articles related to the subjects continuously (in a loop). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

"...replace the portal proposals page which was struck down..." Can you eloborate? What's this portal proposal? Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

see WP:P/P. Rama's arrow 01:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

On this note, someone should take a look at Portal:Tamil Nadu. Is anyone working on it? The Silent Contributor 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

yes, Portal:Tamil Nadu is in a bad state. In fact, Portal: Goa is also in bad state. Look at the selected biography and quotes sections. Seems to be sort of vandalism but could not be sure! Have left a message to the creator of the portal.--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Lok Sabha constituencies

All the Lok Sabha constituencies have suffix (Lok Sabha Constituency). It should be replaced by (Lok Sabha constituency). Capital "C" should be replaced by small "c", like all the UK Parliament constituencies, Irish constituencies. Please suggest about these moves. We have completed more than 100 constituencies. Shyam 14:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I will see if I can automate these moves using a bot. I will let you know what I find out. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Tip

Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WPIndia_Navigation will help you find out all the changes that happened to the India project and it's sub-projects. You can find this link on the top of the navigation bar as part of "(e - c)". -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the link!!! I have been searching for this for a long time. The Silent Contributor 07:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You can link to such RecentChanges pages in your side-toolbar. See my monobook under the relevant section. Nobleeagle 07:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Tamil

Portal:Tamil was ceated by Mayooresan on April 6, 2006. The portal is at very initial level. It contains only a small introduction only. I propose it to be deleted. Shyam 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, especially as Portal:Tamil Nadu has a better, wider scope. Rama's arrow 19:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Plotting multiple cities

We finally have a solution for Nichalp's request. Presenting you with the metropolitan cities of India:

Template:Location map start Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map end

Yay!!! :) -- Ganeshk (talk) 23:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried this on 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. It came out nicely. -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Tamil

Please have a look at this entry, which I submitted following Shyam Bihari's comment above. Rama's arrow 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Caste lists vs. Caste cats

Myself and User:Utcursch have been discussing what to do with lists like List of famous Rajputs, List of Famous Nairs, Category:Brahmins, Category:Dalit, etc. Check WP:DSI for all Afd's.

• My logic - Caste is something not notable to the subject if not covered in the article. Also, cats create a false impression that castes define Indian people. Lists may be ripe for caste-cruft but are not usually looked at by people unless they are of than clan. I think lists are a better idea than cats.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Utcursch's views

I nominated a some "List of famous <caste-name-here>" for deletion, because they were full of unsourced stuff and wrong information, and in my personal opinion, "indiscriminate collection of information".

After discussion with Bakaman, I realized I should not be really bothered about these lists -- he is right when he says that caste-cruft is usually not looked at unless except the people of that caste. But at the same time, I don't want Misplaced Pages to become a tool to glorify castes.

The problem is that if you keep lists, you can't stop creation of categories. People will eventually create categories, and if somebody moves them to deletion, the first argument will be: We've got Category:Indian Americans, so why we should not have Category:Yadavs, Category:Mahars, Category:Gaud Saraswat Brahmins. For example, recently a Misplaced Pages:Single purpose account (User:Sbei78) was created to carry out this task. Ignoring WP:INN, the argument given was "If xyz list exists, why should not this list exist?". In my very personal opinion, caste-based lists are not like List of Indians, rather they are akin to List of Rednecks, which we should not have (since Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information)

As of now, we do have Category:Brahmins and Category:Dalit, but these consist mostly of articles on sub-castes or related topics. But in future, I see biographies being categorized as Category:Dalits, Category:Jats, Category:Deshpandes. If such things are moved to deletions, people will cite existance of other such lists, ignoring WP:INN.

I'd suggest having a formal set of guidelines for this caste-related stuff. Like Bakaman said, lists are a better idea than categories (I am against creation of lists as well, but many already exist).

My ideal set of guidelines would be:

1. No caste-based lists -- they are against Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information
2. The caste-based categories should include only articles on sub-castes/related articles, not people.
3. If an article says that "Person xyz belongs to this caste", the source should be provided. Otherwise, the statement should be removed. Also, in case of anti-caste people (such as many nationalists), the article should not begin with: "XYZ was an Indian Bhumihar/Dalit/etc...". Instead, there should be a statement in bio: "XYZ was born in a Bhumihar/Dalit/etc family".

But I know this is wishful thinking, and hardly anybody will agree with it. So, here is another set of proposed guidelines:

1. Creation of caste-based lists and categories should be highly discouraged. The Category:Indian caste system should be maintained by Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India and any major changes should be discussed. You can't have official sources for most of these lists, as the Government of India documents only SCs/STs/OBCs. Also, inclusion of anti-caste nationlists such as Ramdhari Singh Dinkar and Swami Sahajanand Saraswati lists such as Famous Bhumihars (on the grounds that they were born in Bhumihar families) should be considered wrong.
2. If lists are created, they should not consist of any unsourced items. Also the sources should not include sites/groups/forums dedicated to that particular caste (because they list almost every famous personality as theirs).
3. The caste categories should consist prefereably of sub-castes and related articles, not people. If a biography article is categorized in such a category, sources should be povided on the article page.

I strongly suggest that we have an official set of guideline for this caste-related stuff, as a part of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India. The guidelines can be decided by discussion and voting. utcursch | talk 05:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Response to Utcursch

Your logic sounds good. If there are any lists at the present times, no red links should be permitted, and each person should have a reference proving they are indeed from that community or clan (caste).Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)