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Notability?
As of Cabello's departure from the girl group, she seems to now fulfill at least 4 out of 12 of Misplaced Pages's notability criteria for musicians.
1. She's been featured in Forbes and Billboard.
2. Both of her collaborations have been in the top 20 on the US Billboard Hot 100.
3. Her record "I Know What You Did Last Summer" has been certified platinum in the US and "Bad Things" was certified gold.
10. She's been featured as a musical guest on The Ellen Degeneres Show, The Late Late Show With James Corden and The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.
13. She's also apparently guest starring twice in a TV show as a character named Addison Jones? Link here. Not sure if this counts as being featured.
I'm not sure how to find out if an artist has been on national rotation and I'm not sure if she's had independent coverage for her tours. Point is, I think she's more than notable enough at this point to warrant her own article, especially with her starting a solo career. Mathdino (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Cabello's birthplace is Havana
I can't find any reputable sources that say she was actually born in Cojimar, Cuba. The essay she wrote herself (here) explicitly states she was born in Havana, and definitely lived in Havana/Mexico City, not Cojimar/Mexico City. I'll stand corrected if anyone can find a reputable source on Cojimar. Mathdino (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: Notability
Is there a link to this Forbes article? I do see a Billboard interview with her and Machine Gun Kelly, so that's one. Also, the TV guest appearances have not happened yet. Eklxtreme (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Here you go: The Breakup Of Fifth Harmony Has Started With Camila Cabello's Exit. Obviously not a reference we should use but it does support notability. Mathdino (talk) 10:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's just a news article about Camila leaving. It does not necessarily focus on her as an individual musician, her solo career, or even feature quotes from her. Eklxtreme (talk) 19:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Purported full name
Unless you can find a reliable source citation for a name beyond "Camila Cabello", please do not continue adding uncited personal-claims in violation of WP:BLP. Note that the tabloid Daily Mail is not considered RS unless it is a direct interview with the subject.--Tenebrae (talk) 03:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Genuine question: Is this yearbook photo enough to prove her first name? Link: "Camila Cabello's Newly Discovered Yearbook Photo Proves She Went By a Totally Different Name". If so, I'm not sure whether to link to the (rather clickbaity) article or to the tweet itself. Mathdino (talk) 13:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Teen Vogue itself is a reliable source, but it's citing an outside source of unknown credibility (History in Pictures) which purposefully links here to a fake "NBC" website. So it may just be a Photoshopped image. The fact that History in Pictures — which as you suggest seems a clickbait site using public-domain images — doesn't name a specific school or explain how it obtained the purported yearbook adds to the fact that we can't use this citation. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- An IP-hopper at 2001:569:78B4:6900:B1C9:421:A768:8746 and other addresses is about to violate WP:3RR in order to add uncited personal-life claims in violation of WP:BLP. I have invited that editor to discuss the issue here. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Personal Life
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Cabello is rumored to have dated Austin Mahone in 2014, but fans speculate it to have been PR. Camila and Lauren Jauregui’s relationship was under a big microscope and continues to be. Fans use the ship name "Camren" to refer to the relationship. Many fans speculated a lesbian relationship between the duo, fans vented via social media that their breakup led Cabello to quit Fifth Harmony among other reasons. Their relationship has been denied countless times. Cabello is good friends with Taylor Swift. Icha1279 (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Icha1279: Without a source, none of that can be mentioned in the article. It should barely even be mentioned on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Not done:. Please provide realible sources. Her friendship with Taylor Swift isn't relevant. --Miaow 05:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Reinstated edit about her dating Matthew Hussey as it is notable and two sources were provided. @Cornerstonepicker:Several more notable sources exist on the topic -- Aliceba (talk) 22:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
New year eve performance
This, and almost all non NYC performances are taped delay. There likely was no reunion, rather split after filming. PeaceKeeper1234 03:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs)
Full name
The BMI repertoire lists Cabello under the name Karla Camila Cabello Estrabao. http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25&querytype=WriterID&keyid=1534917&keyname=CABELLO+KARLA+CAMILA&CAE=739090035&Affiliation=BMI&term= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5verse (talk • contribs) 18:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2017
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5verse (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Stickee (talk) 22:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2017
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wife: Michelle Lauren Jauregui Morgado Wakemesweet (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Camila was born in Cojímar
In an interview with Vevo LIFT she stated she was born in Cojímar, Cuba. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk-CNCE-85g
Cabello's birthplace is Cojímar, which is a village in Havana.
Also, here are some sources which state the same birthplace:
- www
.celebuzz .com /2015-07-07 /camila-cabello-10-things-you-didnt-know-about / - www
.allmusic .com /artist /camila-cabello-mn0003392996 /biography
In February, 2017, Cabello posted a tweet saying: "from cojimar to the frickin grammys..." https://twitter.com/camila_cabello/status/831000119805767681 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lololopsasassa (talk • contribs) 19:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, I see in the Habana del Este that Cojimar is in the borough of Habana del Este, so we can adjust her birthlace to Cojimar, Habana del Este, Cuba. Peaceray (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2017
Updated picture of her https://images.genius.com/a0a86bc08f1540e62bddbee36446b5cc.700x500x1.jpg Its17yall (talk)
Not done @Its17yall: That is most likely a copyrighted image. Images have to have a proper license to upload them to Wikimedia Commons, or the correct copyright and licensing to upload them to Misplaced Pages. Peaceray (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
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PaulaIglesias (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC) Change the picture
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Izno (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
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PaulaIglesias (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC) Change the current picture to this one https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/v6JxOGIpTMUCcGgzpS9iBcw_zzk/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2017/02/12/105/n/37139775/1e10c5d0c11cab72_GettyImages-634964912/i/Red-Carpet.jpg
- Not done: We can not use non-free photos of living people. The photo you have linked to us probably non-free. --Izno (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
This article should be semi-protected.
It's a biography of a rather famous and somewhat controversial living person, and thereby has a high possibility of vandalism. I feel that there should be some form of protection in place.--Rainythunderstorm (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017
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http://www.billboard.com/files/media/Camila-Cabello-Fifth-Harmony-red-carpet-2016-billboard-1548.jpg Newer and better quality picture 24.97.253.174 (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Not done - Image appears to be copyright - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017
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Please change the current biography of camila cabello to the biography that will be pasted below this paragraph. The new biography will have corrected information about camila cabello and includes more of her history and career. This biography has been confirmed by her manager, Roger H Gold. Please also update her photo (which was taken in 2013) to a photo which was taken in 2017. Preferably the photo which was taken at the 2017 Grammys. --Yaseminkurt1 (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Karla Camila Cabello-Estrabao is a Cuban-Mexican immigrant who was born March 3 1997, she is known by her stage name, Camila Cabello. In 2012, she auditioned for the X Factor. She is the former lead singer of Fifth Harmony. Cabello and her band-mates released one EP and two studio albums. Her departure from the group was announced in December 18th 2016. As a lead artist, Cabello released two singles with Shawn Mendes 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' and Machine Gun Kelly's 'Bad Things'. In 2017, Cabello prepared for the release of her debut solo album whilst also scoring features with artists such as Cashmere Cat, Pitbull and J Balvin. The lead single from her debut album, The Hurting. The Healing. The Loving., was originally "Crying in the Club" which was released on May 19 2017. She also announced a song from the album titled "I Have Questions", which was released to coincide with her BBMA performance of the song on May 21 2017. Cabello then announced in an interview where 'Havana' released on August 3, 2017 is the official first single of the album. Camila Cabello's debut album is expected to release 'soon'. Yaseminkurt1 (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Yaseminkurt1: Articles are based on what has been published in reliable sources, not on what users claim they heard from the subject's manager. —C.Fred (talk) 03:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017
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change picture to this: http://68.media.tumblr.com/58a545184ad17060b00b3d9a65424e8f/tumblr_okn1cdiDG01uctkbgo1_500.jpg it's free and not copy righted Beccahills (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: You need to upload the image to Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons yourself. To get started, click "Upload file" in the sidebar of the Misplaced Pages window. —KuyaBriBri 15:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2018
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Beechosthegodmode1 (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sakura Cartelet 21:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2018
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romantically involved with Matthew Hussey 73.46.204.170 (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Birthplace
Camila Cabello born in Cojimar, Cuba. She's Cuban-Mexican, not Cuban-American. Fix this, I guess this article of Camila Cabello was written by an American. Razel003 (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Or written by someone using sources. We only use reliable sources within Misplaced Pages. Those sources say she was born in Cojimar, Eastern Havana, Cuba. Her family moved back and forth to between there and Mexico before settling in Miami, Florida, USA.
- Don't make dumb remarks; instead, work with others to get your point across positively. More gets done that way. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- According to Cuban Americans they "are Americans who trace their ancestry to Cuba. The word may refer to someone born in the U.S. of Cuban descent or to someone who has emigrated to the U.S. from Cuba." According to the the Early life section, Cabello "and her family moved back and forth between Havana and Mexico City, before relocating to Miami, Florida in the United States at age five." By definition, that would make her Cuban American. Peaceray (talk) 19:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2018
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Thecrazyfiend228 (talk) 08:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:18, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Personal Life and Controversies
The official article from UK Time magazine doesn't mention anything about a former group member and it cites an internet gossip website as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrCriticalOP (talk • contribs)
- @MrCriticalOP: I've removed it. The source didn't have anything about laughing, either. --NeilN 14:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find anything encyclopedic about it at all, it has received 0 media coverage. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. We cannot save the subject of a BLP from their own, publicly-viewed actions, but we can protect them from all the haters. From Jesus and Mohammed to Hitler and Trump, everyone gets equal protection. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Imo it should be removed, it isn't relevant. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. We cannot save the subject of a BLP from their own, publicly-viewed actions, but we can protect them from all the haters. From Jesus and Mohammed to Hitler and Trump, everyone gets equal protection. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I don't find anything encyclopedic about it at all, it has received 0 media coverage. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2018
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Delete:
Personal life
Controversies
{{relevance template-inactive here, for talk page use}}
On February 25, 2018 during an interview with The Sunday Times, Cabello addressed a data hack, specifically, leaked texts with her then boyfriend and a controversial tweet where she used the n-word to affectionately describe Barack Obama. She responds saying she was only 15 at the time and that she has learnt: “That’s why I barely go on social media. There’s no way to live life without making mistakes or saying the wrong thing. I’m not going to live like some perfect pop singer. I’m a human, and the inhuman part of this is public scrutiny. I want to stay away from anything that makes me think I can’t live my life the way everybody else does.”
Reason:
The edit failed to use the most general scope of the referenced article and it deliberate restricted the scope to a particular POV. MrEditor 07:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
References
- Dean, Jonathan. "Camila Cabello interview: the Havana singer is the biggest pop star in the world". The Sunday Times. Retrieved 12 March 2018.
- Dean, Jonathan. "Camila Cabello interview: the Havana singer is the biggest pop star in the world". The Sunday Times. Retrieved 12 March 2018.
Reply
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If the problem is POV, then the POV section template is more appropriate. Spintendo 08:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
@Spintendo Someone wrongfully added controversies as part of the artist personal life; while changing the scope of the referenced article. Therefore, I suggested it should be deleted and added the reason for it. MrEditor 11:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2018
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An Editor who completely removed Camila's background, her family background and personal life only to post a "controversy" about Camila. This does not belong in this section. Delete. Edpitor (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: I don't understand, was the information about someone else and mistakenly placed here? Specifically, what is it about the adding of those controversies, that's wrong? Please advise. Spintendo 12:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Remove Controversies
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The article focus on the artist success and it's irrelevant to use it as reference; when the editor only bother to narrow their view into controversies. In wikipedia own words: Since the primary purpose of the Misplaced Pages is to be a useful reference work, narrow article scopes are to be avoided.
Artificially or unnecessarily restricting the scope of an article to select a particular point of view on a subject area is frowned upon, even if it is the most popular point of view. MrEditor 13:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not done You have not said what eit you want making. Nothing to do. —SerialNumber54129 13:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- >Ping User:MrEditor. —SerialNumber54129 13:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
controversies
I have wiped out the entire controversies section. I highly recommend any future editors that want to put it back discuss the idea here first. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request
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The instruments section of her bio should be updated. Camila plays both guitar and keyboard live in concert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XbK4c-dTX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK5f0Lmqebo
- Not done: The Instruments line in the infobox is limited to those she is primarily known for using. It is not a list of all instruments she has ever used (in concert or otherwise). ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 02:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018
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change her nationality to Cuban-Mexican, her mum is Cuban and her father is Mexican plus she was born in Cuba which makes her Cuban-Mexican 78.19.88.112 (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not done According to Cuban Americans they "are Americans who trace their ancestry to Cuba. The word may refer to someone born in the U.S. of Cuban descent or to someone who has emigrated to the U.S. from Cuba." According to the the Early life section, Cabello "and her family moved back and forth between Havana and Mexico City, before relocating to Miami, Florida in the United States at age five." By definition, that would make her Cuban American. Peaceray (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2018
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State that "Camila" and its second single "Never Be The Same" are both certified Platinum instead of saying "Camila" is Gold & NBTS is uncertified. 2602:306:C585:F2C0:1C67:B0BD:D8CF:4441 (talk) 07:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: Please provide one or more reliable sources that verify these claimed certifications. LifeofTau 07:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
"Cuban American"
Binksternet, while the term may be ethnically correct, in the lead we are only supposed to include official nationalities right? Because Ms. Cabello has US citizenship, which she acquired at the expense of her original Cuban citizenship since Cuba forbids dual citizenship. That is why I removed "Cuban-American" from the lead. But "Cuban-Mexican" sounds more ethnically correct than "Cuban-American". --Kailash29792 (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting point. I was thinking that the construct of birth-country-plus-current-nationality was sufficiently neutral as a statement of truth. Cuba's revocation of her citizenship is certainly something we would want to tell the reader, but it doesn't erase her country of birth.
- As always in such situations, I defer to the reliable sources. What do they say?
- MTV says she is "of Cuban-Mexican descent", and that her thoughts about ending the United States embargo against Cuba were shared by "millions of Cubans and Cuban-Americans today".
- Rolling Stone describes her origin but doesn't put a label on it.
- Glamour likewise.
- People likewise.
- Entertainment Weekly likewise.
- The New York Times likewise.
- Time quotes Cabello saying in the context of Trump's proposed wall between Mexico and the US, "I am so proud to be Cuban-Mexican."
- E Online also quotes Cabello saying at the Grammy Awards, "I'm a Proud Cuban-Mexican Immigrant."
- Billboard called her a "Cuban artist" in their editorial voice, in the context of Obama visiting Cuba.
- Broadway World says she is "Cuban born".
- Variety says she's "Cuban-born".
- Financial Times says she has a "Cuban-American background".
- Forbes describes in a photo caption, "US-Cuban singer-songwriter Camila Cabello poses with the award..."
- I noticed that some of these sources call out her Mexican ancestry but others don't mention it at all. I also noticed that the idea does exist of a person being "Cuban-American" or "US-Cuban", despite the fact that Cuba rescinds nationality of emigrants to the US. As well, I noticed that the label "Cuban-Mexican" was used by Cabello to describe herself but it was not picked up by any of the media as a neutral descriptor. Finally, I noticed that a lot of the sources hold back from putting a label on her nationality or ancestry. Perhaps that's the direction we should go in this biography – perhaps we should refrain from calling her American or Cuban-American or Cuban-Mexican. We could insert a hidden note to that end. Binksternet (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- This is the source which states Cabello acquired US citizenship in 2008 (already used in "Early life"), and in this source she says "it is 2014 and i am a Cuban Mexican proud American citizen". Kailash29792 (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I am aware that she has American citizenship. Also, despite her various statements saying she is Cuban-Mexican, nobody in the media has picked up that description to use in the editorial voice. Nobody says "the Cuban-Mexican singer Camila Cabello..." So we aren't going to say she is Cuban-Mexican in Misplaced Pages's voice. Feel free to quote her own words to the reader, though! Binksternet (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- This is the source which states Cabello acquired US citizenship in 2008 (already used in "Early life"), and in this source she says "it is 2014 and i am a Cuban Mexican proud American citizen". Kailash29792 (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Instruments
I have made edits to the infobox section to reflect the instruments Camila plays. I did this before and the edits were reversed so I've added references this time. For clarity I'll be posting a few here but the crux of this is that part of her rise to fame was from posting guitar covers of songs on YouTube, and she plays both guitar and piano in concert (on 3 different tours now), which I believe more than suffices for those to be notable instruments for her.
Alolanle (talk) 10:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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