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Hey Andrevan, do you remember this? I'd just like to tell you, I've now been promoted to admin status! Thank you again for your welcome! RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 04:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help

Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, www.xkkk.org. Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history .

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Here are some links that might help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wade_Watts

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:TheKingOfDixie

http://en.wikipedia.org/Operation_Colorblind

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Threeafterthree

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Potters_house

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Antaeus_Feldspar

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Alabamaboy

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=prev&oldid=65690238

then

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=next&oldid=65690238

Also note his contributions: Featured articles: · African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. · Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edits. Potters house 00:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

Siddhartha

I am just leaving you this message to let you know that Kamala was indeed a prostitute. The word courtesan he uses on page 52 when he first sees her means prostitute.

I reverted your talk page

Just leaving you a note to explain why I reverted your talk page: the text I removed was a spurious/vexatious request from User:HotHotSoup, the latest sockpuppet of User:PoolGuy, spamming the talk pages of admins (and a few non-admins), and apparently working alphabetically. Contributions of a banned user may be reverted by anyone, but if you would still like the message to be included here, feel free to revert back. Stifle (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Gunbound Private Server

There are many in existence right now, thanks to my group. However, our files were leaked, thus the private server has become wide-spread. Contact me if you wish to find out more.

August Esperanza Newsletter

Gunbound Private Server.

Do you have any contact besides your talk page? I'm not too comfortable making certain information public. Yarou 19:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

For your reading pleasure, the newest Esperanza newsletter can be found at Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Newsletter. —Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

That's not nonsense.

Saying that democrats are poopy heads is only highly immature, not nonsensical.

Have you heard?

Weird Al says that you are "White and Nerdy" in "White and Nerdy". He makes fun of people that edit Misplaced Pages and says that they have no lives.

Sandbox

I tried to use the sandbox once but then my cat came and urinated on me.

Image:Bill.gif listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Bill.gif, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 13:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Anti-humor/Anti-humour

Ok i have no problem with that and i will leave the page name as it was before i changed the spelling Dermo69 21:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

well

it depends what you consider nonesense

KOP

Why did you delete the K.O.P. fraternity page. Nothing was wrong with it. It is a real fraternity at Craigmont High School in Memphis Tennessee. If you want to see the page go to http://www.myspace.com/kingsofapurpose.

Wow dude, you caught that fast...I'm doing a report on the reliaibility of wikipedia as a source. you are proving my point

can i edit a few more pages and then you change them back really fast to prove how you guys are on top of everything?

Alright, thanks...can I use your messages as a quote in my report?

OK thanks...ttyl!

Vandalism on Andhra Pradesh site

Thanks for your revert on Andhra Pradesh page(http://en.wikipedia.org/Andhra_Pradesh). I am new to Misplaced Pages. I was trying to update the Telangana movement(hottest political topic in Andhra Pradesh state last few years) info with some reliable sources last few days. but couple of users called "Andhrawala1" and "Andrhawala"(I suspect he/she is the same person with multiple IDs) vandalizing the site by removing the Telangana info and saying bad words about Telangana people. How can we control these people vandalizing the page. Thanks. Ramcrk 16:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Super 64 Featured Article Review

Someone initiated it, and you are invited to join the discussion. I would also be more careful about reverting changes, as its Featured Status is in jeopardy and I am trying to improve the article. Judgesurreal777 16:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The point is that it needs to be converted to prose. Perhaps it is not yet the greatest prose, but it would be progress to convert it. Feel free to fix it up or move it around, but I implore you to look Featured Article candidates of late which all get objected to if there are lists that should be prose. Judgesurreal777 04:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Your a mediator? Cool! Always appreciate those guys. Judgesurreal777 04:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, it definitely could be made into prose. If it doesn't flow right might mean some stuff should be moved to other parts of the article or new sections should be made...I mean, it may be difficult, but it isn't really a list, it's kindof a triva-like section of facts about the topic, which is not at all the norm. Judgesurreal777 06:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry, didn't really pay much attention and just assumed it was good info. 80.41.221.252 21:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

Hi, you are receiving this message because you have listed yourself as an active member of WP:AMA. If you aren't currently accepting inquiries for AMA, or if you have resigned, please de-list yourself from Misplaced Pages:AMA Members. If you are still active, please consider tending to any new requests that may appear on Category:AMA Requests for Assistance. We're going to put AMA on wheels. :) Sorry for the template spamming - we're just trying to update our records, after we had a huge backlog earlier in the week (if you've been taking cases, then sorry, and please ignore this :)). Again, sorry, and thanks! Martinp23 21:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course, you know, THIS MEANS WAR!!!!

The only reason I vandalized your page was to get your attention. More than 8 users have asserted the notability of the game, and that it does, in fact, actually meet Misplaced Pages guidelines, and you've ignored every single one. Sure, I wasn't exactly polite, but you weren't paying any attention. I had to get you to notice my point somehow. And, looking at your contributions, I think it's clear that you hate fangames. I don't want to impose an ultimatum, but your bigotry gives me no choice. If you continue to refuse to give Blaze and his allies any respect, I'll have no choice but to block you at every turn. --Luigifan 02:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Your suggestion on my page... what's that going to accomplish? You refuse to listen to him. If you're a bigot, I have to burst your bubble, because I have little tolerance for sin. As for the eruption on the AFD, yes, that was purely my fault. I let myself get riled up and explode, and it just made me look like a barbarian. >_< But deafening yourself to the opinion of others is inexcusable. If you continue to give Blaze a hard time, you are going to regret it. --Luigifan 02:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

And, if you fail to see how rejecting Marioween makes you bigoted towards fangames... Marioween has got to be the greatest fangame of all time. If you believe that it isn't notable, then you just don't like fangames, period. And, please stop picking on Ashuku. Like I said, I really don't want to blacklist you, but if that's what I have to do to counter your single-mindedness, then I will take that measure. --Luigifan 02:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It's begun. I've called in my most trusted friend, UnDeRsCoRe, to evaluate you. If I were you, I'd begin opening my mind to new ideas, right about NOW. --Luigifan 02:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This crisis isn't clearing. I'm through with games. It's time for the Ninja of Peace to step in. --Luigifan 02:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Your case is beginning to weaken. It is time to seek reconciliation. --Luigifan 03:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Computer and video games/Deletion

Hey there, I noticed you have added some WP:AfDs to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Computer and video games/Deletion recently. I just wanted to remind you to double check the UTC of the initial nomination when listing. Also, make sure to add the {{subst:CVG deletion}} tag on those pages that you do add to CVG Deletion page. Cheers! -- moe.RON 02:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attack

What I said was an expression. Not an attack. I'm protected by the first amendment in my right to say, "Fuck you". Which in itself, clearly isn't an attack, or even a threat. It it simply a statement. If I get banned from a website for something as trivial as expressing my right to free speech, then maybe I will have to do another thing wikipedia forbade. Using the words, "Legal Action" in a sentence towards a representative of the company.

So, I read the personal attack page you linked to, and yes, I see that it says, "No Profanity towards other contributors." But I wanted to get the point across that edit count means nothing. I apologize for that.

But, I might also add that you of all people (You with such a reputation here on wikipedia), should know that edit count means nothing. If I were as respected as you on a website such as this, I'd be ashamed of myself.

Judging someone on edit count. I mean, seriously. If I wouldn't get banned for it, I'd suggest for you to, "Get a Life", or, "Find a New Hobby". But such words are not allowed here on this website ran by people who forget about the first amendment, and I am forced to sit here and just shake my head.

I have a question though. Would you still have been an upstanding citizen if I said the same thing without the word, "Fuck"? Such as, "Screw you and your edit count"?

If you would have, the words, "Diamond mind" and, "Andrevan's Anus" Might have been in the same sentence together. --Ashuku 02:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but see. Everything I said above was in fact 'not and attack. It was all tongue-in-cheek, and references to things I would contemplate doing if you were to respond similarly to the way I had predicted.

And I obviously know that threatening legal action will get me banned, since I clearly said wikipedia forbade it.

As for me being a, "Sock Puppet"... I am merely a lurker of sort.--Ashuku 02:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot one thing. Using edit count as a way to identify if someone is a sock-puppet or whatever isn't exactly a good method. It fails to take into consideration people like me. --Ashuku 02:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, well, one more thing. You never answered my question. Would I still have gotten warned if I didn't use the word, "Fuck"? --Ashuku 03:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay then. --Ashuku 05:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You asked for another Toad Rumor citation

After I reverted the removal of the Toad rumor in the article for Super Smash Bros. Melee. you changed it back and asked me to provide another citation. Here it is: http://ssbm.detstar.com/toadrumor/

Thanks. RememberMe? 07:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Questions + Note

You made the following AfD proposals today: Ark 22, Hover Tank 3D, Jumper, Metroid Prime 2D, and Squarez all which were created with the software Game Maker. First, I would like to note that if these articles are deleted or redirected as it appears they will be, you might as well recommend CfD for Category:Games made with Game Maker because the category will have only one entry remaining and though there are other enjoyable games created with the software, it is apparent that no one is eagerly creating articles for them or they would have been already (I say this knowing the software's fan base well as an active member for years of its primary forum). At least one of the games mentioned above was popular for several years in a row on the community site and shows up over 100,000 hits through Google. It and another have had popularity for the shorter times that they have been around almost equal to that of the only remaining game in the category. But then, I am largely looking at this from only the perspective of the official forum.

I am still trying to better-understand many choices made in the WP process, which brings up a question: what, in a nutshell, makes the remaining game in the category, Seiklus, an exception to the rest (or did you just miss it)? Is it Google hits plus age? Something more? I can only assume that you do not know very much about any of the games other than what you learned by the number of edits made here and a quick web search.

Thank you for reading and would appreciate a reply. -- CobraWiki 07:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The game article was probably bypassed due to the mention of another game within the article (Within a Deep Forest) which you also nominated AfD. Thank you for the explanation and your time. -- CobraWiki 03:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well then, if it was kept after AfD nomination, then I suppose I should tell the creator how lucky he is under these circumstances! -- CobraWiki 03:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Original Barnstar
		For wading through tons of fan made games and weeding out the unencyclopedic while putting up with a lot of flack. Whispering 17:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Have an award

		Vandal Whacking Stick
		I, Michaelas10, hereby award you this Vandal Whacking Stick for getting attacked by Luigifan and Ashuku but still not losing your cool. Michaelas10 (T|C) 10:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Secret Maryo Chronicles on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Secret Maryo Chronicles. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.