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This article fails or violates at least one of the following: WP:WEB, WP:SELF, and WP:NOR. It only has 182 articles according to meta:List of Wikipedias. Depending on how this goes, I will nominate other similar articles for deletion as well. Edit: This was also prodded and deprodded a few months ago.—EdGl 21:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Sorry, but I can't agree with your reasoning. Misplaced Pages articles about other language Misplaced Pages spin-offs are both appropriate, useful, and not a violation of any of those policies. Certainly not of the spirit behind Misplaced Pages. Please check The discussion on the Czech language Misplaced Pages. Especially before proposing any further deletions. Mister.Manticore 22:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment No independent sources in the article. If Misplaced Pages itself is the only possible source, then the subject is undeserving of an article. Seems like just an inappropriate self-reference to me. Is the article on Misplaced Pages not enough to satisfy any of our "articles about Misplaced Pages" needs? (Save for "offshoots" of the article on Misplaced Pages, like Misplaced Pages in popular culture.) Please prove to me how it passes WP:WEB, WP:SELF, and WP:NOR. —EdGl 22:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- I would say that all of the information in this article is easily derivable from Misplaced Pages's own information content services, as well as Bi-lingual Wikipedians who contribute to both Wikipedias. (and we'll assume that there are sources for the language of the Maldives, if not, then you'd best object to that elsewhere). And the reason why the article on Misplaced Pages is not appropriate for this information is simply a matter of convenience. That article is large enough without trying to describe every language. Yes, this is a shorter one, but some of the others are not, and those have enough details that they should clearly be kept. Given that, I'd rather keep articles on all of the languages than none. And I don't have to prove how it meets any of those standards, since I don't believe any of those standards are appropriate in deciding whether or not to keep this entry, or any of the others. It's clear to me that Misplaced Pages should document itself, and part of that documentation is information on the foreign language version. To do otherwise just seems strange to me. But then, I said as much in the Czech language discussion. You aren't offering anything new, in fact, you're repeating the same arguments given there. They aren't convincing. Mister.Manticore 00:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think I have a strong argument in that this article violates policies and fails notability guidelines. The "repetitiveness" of my arguments have nothing to do with their strength, and "they aren't convincing" is merely your opinion (which I respect). You said "And I don't have to prove how it meets any of those standards, since I don't believe any of those standards are appropriate in deciding whether or not to keep this entry, or any of the others." What makes this article an exception? We can all of a sudden disregard policy and notability guidelines? I am very skeptical about your statements, which provide a weak argument at best in my opinion. —EdGl 01:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, we can disregard guidelines like that, when they're not appropriate. It's called common sense, and it's a valuable asset in making all decisions. Misplaced Pages should describe itself(Misplaced Pages is notable, for many reasons, but even if it wasn't, I'd say it would be important for the site to be able to describe itself). Misplaced Pages has foreign-language components(if you don't believe this is the case, I suggest you visit wikipedia.org). Since they clearly exist, they should also be described. Given the potential length of those articles, having seperate articles is probably the best way to do that. Can you come up with a good reason why having this article is a real and substantial problem? I can't. Can you come up with a better way to do things? I doubt it, but you're welcome to make suggestions as to other options. However, deletion is not one of them. It's not effective. If you've gotten any objections to the content, you can check it seperately, but please don't try AfD's for cleanup. Anyway, you can cite policies all you want, but if you'll check things like WEB, SELF, others, they have exceptions and clarifications that clearly show they aren't to be adhereded to like a bunch of mindless machines. Mister.Manticore 02:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- we can disregard guidelines like that, when they're not appropriate. I hope the closing admin will take comments like that into account when deciding on something like this. If we start ignoring WP:RS, then where does it stop? We might as well throw WP:V out the window. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, we can disregard guidelines like that, when they're not appropriate. It's called common sense, and it's a valuable asset in making all decisions. Misplaced Pages should describe itself(Misplaced Pages is notable, for many reasons, but even if it wasn't, I'd say it would be important for the site to be able to describe itself). Misplaced Pages has foreign-language components(if you don't believe this is the case, I suggest you visit wikipedia.org). Since they clearly exist, they should also be described. Given the potential length of those articles, having seperate articles is probably the best way to do that. Can you come up with a good reason why having this article is a real and substantial problem? I can't. Can you come up with a better way to do things? I doubt it, but you're welcome to make suggestions as to other options. However, deletion is not one of them. It's not effective. If you've gotten any objections to the content, you can check it seperately, but please don't try AfD's for cleanup. Anyway, you can cite policies all you want, but if you'll check things like WEB, SELF, others, they have exceptions and clarifications that clearly show they aren't to be adhereded to like a bunch of mindless machines. Mister.Manticore 02:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- The first paragraph of WP:NN: "Topics in most areas must meet a minimum threshold of notability in order for an article on that topic to remain on Misplaced Pages. This is a necessary result of Misplaced Pages being a neutral, verifiable encyclopedia. The terms 'importance' and 'significance' are also in use, and for practical purposes on Misplaced Pages they are similar." That is why this article is problematic. Also, if I could have come up with a better way to do things, then I would just do it. But, since I don't believe this article deserves to be on Misplaced Pages, and I want to get a consensus on whether it should be kept or not, I brought it here. By all means, if you convince me that this article should be kept, I'll change my mind. I want to see what the community thinks first. I want to get suggestions out of you guys :-) —EdGl 18:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment No independent sources in the article. If Misplaced Pages itself is the only possible source, then the subject is undeserving of an article. Seems like just an inappropriate self-reference to me. Is the article on Misplaced Pages not enough to satisfy any of our "articles about Misplaced Pages" needs? (Save for "offshoots" of the article on Misplaced Pages, like Misplaced Pages in popular culture.) Please prove to me how it passes WP:WEB, WP:SELF, and WP:NOR. —EdGl 22:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, sorry, self-references are not encyclopedia articles. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Sufficient notability from being a Wikimedia project Bwithh 00:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not without reliable sources which are not self-references. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- What statements do you believe need more reliable sources? Mister.Manticore 02:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I don't know, the very fact that the Misplaced Pages exists, since we cannot rely solely on the web site's own claims and the existence of the website itself as evidence that the thing actually exists. You might as well throw WP:V out the window. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- What statements do you believe need more reliable sources? Mister.Manticore 02:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, if you're wondering about the statistics, I believe they may come from here
- Yet again another self-reference, which is not an acceptable reference. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not without reliable sources which are not self-references. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Is your point to show how flawed and biased processes on Misplaced Pages are? I believe that's not exactly secret. Pavel Vozenilek 04:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- May I remind you that Misplaced Pages:Assume bad faith is intended as humor and should not be followed. Never do that again. My intention is not to "show how flawed and biased processes on Misplaced Pages are", but to get a consensus on whether to keep or delete this article. What exactly did you mean by your question anyway? —EdGl 17:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- A totally unacceptable response, Pavel, and I suggest you rethink your attitude. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, being a Misplaced Pages does not automatically notability make. This one is too small, and has almost no activity. Punkmorten 12:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)