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I will not reply for reasons of transparency. You said nothing different than what you've already said about why they should be created or exist.

Again, this is first about the community objecting to the mass-creation. That is what we want you to acknowledge and discuss. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Any time :). It's always fascinating to learn about new things like this. LouiseS1979 (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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They are weigh better and immeasurably more valuable. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:34, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Again, I will not reply to such emails. For transparency, it is best to discuss things here. Thank you for your understanding. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Sri Lankan units of measurement

Is There any update about Riyana, is it used to measure area or length, what is the comparison, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.93.87 (talk) 01:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@112.135.93.87 I will try to include about Riyana later. Thanks. :) Shevonsilva (talk) 10:27, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

General point about English

@Imaginatorium Thanks. :) It was mentioned as British units in very old source. I did not see the word Imperial units in the era mentioned in the article. Anyway, will it be better to convert it to current usage, or, keep a link to the current article by using the old name? what is your idea?

As I said, if you link to an article called imperial units it is better to call it "imperial units". Same for metric system. And probably more. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium Actually, I was referring the times before 1824 also when the term imperial units was not defined and not available. I do not feel it will make sense of referring it by the name imperial units as I was referring full systems of British units, where basic units had been available from long time. what are your thoughts about to improve the article in a perfect manner? Shevonsilva (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

The note at the top of our Imperial units article helpfully points to English units for the period before 1824. Other names have been proposed and tried, but that is the one which has achieved consensus and remained stable. NebY (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@NebY Thanks. :-) The sources mentioned the word British as it had included Scottish, English and Welsh too. I am a bit reluctant to reduce the meaning to English only without having proper sources. do you two have any other proper way to overcome the issue in an un-doughtfull manner? Shevonsilva (talk) 19:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

On examining that sentence in Sri Lankan units of measurement rather than simply responding to the above discussion, I fear that uncritical use of the source has produced an absurd result. Sri Lanka, according to our own article, "has a documented history that spans over 3,000 years"; it came under British control in the early 19th century, only just before the 1824 Act that introduced imperial units. Do you find it credible that "Generally British measures of length and surface were used" in the preceding 2800+ years? Do you think that Sri Lanka persisted in using pre-1824 units after the introduction of imperial units? When were those units listed under Sri Lankan units of measurement#Pre-metric Units used - before, after or during British control? NebY (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@NebY Hi, I basically provided that sentence based on the sources I had. Shevonsilva (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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It is conventional to leave discussions on talk pages, not to keep deleting them. People are trying to help you -- if you keep deleting these comments, other people will end up making the same comments again. If you want to be regarded as a normal cooperative editor, please stop deleting. Thanks! Imaginatorium (talk) 06:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium Oh dear, I am going to have a long talk page. :) :). Thanks, Imaginatorium. Shevonsilva (talk) 06:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at WP:ARCHIVE and User:Lowercase sigmabot III too. — kikichugirl 06:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about a long talk page: one of the most respected editors around (highest approval votes in recent Arbcom election) has an absurdly long talk page - see User talk:DGG. There are also ways to set up automatic archiving so that posts on your talk page are tidied away to a series of archive files automatically, after a specific period of inactivity of a thread. My user talk page shows one way of doing it; there are others. PamD 06:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Kikichugirl @PamD: Thanks. Appreciate it. :) :) I am a bit worried about random negative comments in my talk page. Will it be an issue for me? Shevonsilva (talk) 07:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Responding to justified negative comments by taking note and improving your editing will only reflect well on you. It's learning to edit. Leaving PROD notices etc visible on your page helps other editors to see what editing experiences you've been having and helps them to help you. PamD 08:26, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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You have been editing this again, and removed the "dubious" tag with the reason: "...unlikely statmho was ever defined to that many decimals and does not agree with modern value of c". How did you decide how many significant figures were appropriate, and what does this have to do with the value of c? Imaginatorium (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Argentine units of measurement

The original version of this page (which you wrote) includes a paragraph Argentine units of measurement#Units after Metric Adoption. I made a note about this on the talk page: I really cannot understand what it means. Can you please explain? Thanks. Imaginatorium (talk) 10:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium Thank you for the enquiry. :) It means about the units after metric adoption (i.e. Units which were or are using after the time of the metric adoption.) There, specifically consider the continues usage of previous system of units even after the metrication, and mis-interpreted usage of names of the units. Shevonsilva (talk) 11:44, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I understand the title, "Units after metric adoption". I don't understand the text of the paragraph. Here is a breakdown of the first sentence:

... were still used by mixing the values of the Spanish terms of metric and English units (e.g. vara for meter)

This says that the Spanish terms for "metric and English" units were mixed. What does "English" mean here? Is 'vara' a "metric" unit or an "English" unit? If it is English, why does it seem to be in Spanish?

... by showing the requirement to avoid mixing of terms in old system and metric system and English system.

Above you said they were mixed, but this part of the sentence seems to say they were not mixed. And this time there are three systems of units?

This led to a mixed system of units after adoption of the metric system.

Perhaps this sentence can be deleted, since it doesn't seem to say anything. If you cannot explain what these statements mean, can you tell us the original text on which they are based. Thanks. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium Thank for your enquiry. :)

... were still used by mixing the values of the Spanish terms of metric and English units (e.g. vara for meter)

E.g. vara was used as meter even though the defined value of meter was different. Source provided the word "English" (it might refer to Imperial or American system.) (In old sources the world "English units" were common)

... by showing the requirement to avoid mixing of terms in old system and metric system and English system.

Oh dear, In 1920s, there was a requirement to stop mixing of terms (e.g: vara for meter) in old system and metric system and English system.

This led to a mixed system of units after adoption of the metric system.

Yes, Even in 1920s, there was still mixed system of units as a result. (e.g. vara and meter (as same, or, as two units) was still used).

Hope you understand what the sentence implies. I am always ready to answer any doubts. :) Thank you for the inquiry. (oooops, the source provided a long description about this matter. :) (This sentence provided an idea about the usage of units in 1920s.) Shevonsilva (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

No, you have not explained at all. The paragraph still makes no sense; please do not remove "Confused" tags until at least one native English speaker has agreed that it makes sense.

You say that "old sources" often use the words(?) "English unit" -- yes, but what did they mean by it? If they mean "miles and feet etc" (there is no need to add a note saying this), then unless you explain that "miles and feet etc" were used in Argentina it makes no sense. There are other problems: you have copied two different sets of units out of two books. How do you explain that one has names in German, the other names in Spanish?

I will add some tags to the page indicating that there are problems. Please do not remove them until the problems are resolved, and the page is understandable. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium This paragraph is specially needed. It informs the confusion of unit names of different systems after metrication. Please re-study the paragraph. Finding the meaning of "English unit" is not a main task and it is not a confusion factor. It simply means any English unit (same name as Spanish unit). I disagree with the fact that adding the confusion tag based on only one sentence. Thanks. :) 16:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium I still cannot imagine why cannot get the meaning of that particular sentence? :) Shevonsilva (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The reason you can't understand why I can't understand it is that I understand English vastly better than you do. So please stop inviting me to "study" a sentence that makes no sense. To start at the beginning, you have:

Spanish terms of metric and English units (e.g. vara for meter)

This is not quite grammatical. Perhaps you mean:

Spanish names for metric and English units (e.g. vara for meter)

But vara is a Spanish unit and 'metre/meter' is a metric unit. So what does "English" refer to here. Start with this bit, then we can try the rest of the sentence. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium The word, term, will be the better word rather than using general words like names (which can also imply something like people names). "Vara for meter" is an example only to understand it in a better way (I included it after your inquiry). So, as e.g. suggests, there must be similar examples for English units too. There is no need to provide all the examples to cover whole domain by constructing a paragraph which will jeopardise the intended meaning. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

No, "name" is correct. No, your idea about "implying people's names" is wrong. So "Vara for metre" is an example: OK, what is it an example of? I think it is an example of a Spanish unit name being used to refer to a metric unit. How can "English units" have anything to do with this? What would a "similar example" be an example of? Anyway, I am still trying to find out what this means:

Spanish names for metric and English units (e.g. vara for meter)

Do you want to have another try? What English units is this talking about? The paragraph is so confused, that unless you can come up with a coherent explanation soon, I will just delete it all. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium How do you say the idea "implying people's names" is wrong? The word "name" is much more general word. There is no need to provide all the possible examples for every possibilities which can be derived from a sentence as the reader can understand it, and as I have provided the references. What is the problem with you specially regarding the word "English"? It is clear any reader can understand what it meant. 07:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

<pedantry>And e.g. is always followed by a comma.</pedantry> Lesser Cartographies (talk) 04:32, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. :) , or, and also by a colon too. 13:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

There are similar problems with Cuban units of measurement. The sentence "As in 1920s too, other units from system other than Metric System, including old Spanish, American, and local, were also used." is confusing and poorly written. Please clarify what you mean. Please also note that when a source is available online it's a courtesy to readers to include the URL in the reference, so that they can verify the source you've used- two of your refs in this article are freely available online, and I've added the link, but please do so yourself in future. And there's something very odd about the Cuban "legua", though I've noted that in the article. Thanks. PamD 23:57, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@PamD Grammatically it gives the correct meaning. Anyway, I re-arranged the wording of the sentence in order to understand it by all level of users. Thanks. That is very nice that you have improved the article by extending meaning of legua by adding the deviation from the general meaning. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Of course it is quite OK to use real books as references for Misplaced Pages articles. But it is also helpful to readers and other editors to provide a link to an online copy if one is available, especially when it is free to use. I have suggested this to you, and I added the link to ICT in Cuban units of measurement. I wonder why you are not doing this in your new stubs, such as Cypriot units of measurement? Have you got a particular reason? Please explain. It seems to me to be an obvious enhancement of an article, but presumably you have some reason not to do so. PamD 09:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I've linked it in Cypriot. PamD 09:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

@PamD. Actually it is a good idea. But the issue is if the link is broken in future, it will provide a kind of non-professional view for the article (reliability of the link is the issue I am basically concerning). Shevonsilva (talk) 15:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Nothing on the internet is guaranteed to last forever, but that doesn't prevent us from adding links. The important thing in the case of Googlebooks etc is to create a reference to the book, complete with publisher, page, etc, and then add the URL as an added bonus. That way, if the link fails or is even temporarily offline we still have a perfectly adequate reference. The wrong thing to do is to treat Googlebooks as a website, and just make a link to the content in question, without giving the bibliographic information (and there are far too many editors who do just that). As long as the full bibliographic reference is provided, there is nothing to lose and much to gain by adding the URL to link to Googlebooks or wherever else the text can be found. If at some future time the link breaks, someone will label it "dead link", someone else may well find an archived copy, but no-one will think the worse of you or the article for it. So please provide a link where you have it: it makes it much easier for readers or other editors to verify the source of the content. Thanks. PamD 16:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I see I haven't convinced you. Do you really have the reader's interests at heart? Why not make it easier for them to verify the source of your information? PamD 16:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm still puzzled as to why you are reluctant to help the readers of your articles by providing an online link to your source. I have reassured you, above, that we need not worry about the possibility of the Googlebooks link becoming broken. Are you interested in helping readers, or merely in creating as many articles as possible for some personal reason? I have upgraded the references to ICT in several of your articles just now, but I'm not really that interested in obsolete units - just in trying to produce a better encyclopedia. Please at least add the link to new articles you create. PamD 23:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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Italian measurements page

Shevonsilva, just a few comments on Misplaced Pages and English style for you, so you can polish your future articles further.

When you want to reference another article in a 'See also' tag, use the {{See also|article title here}} template, which gives the uniform look to it.

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Probably better English style to use the word 'Distance' rather than 'Road measurements'. Also, if you're talking about the name of a city or province, the current style is 'in Rome', 'in Ancona', etc. I gather you're using a 19th century source, which means that the English in that source will be antiquated ('at Ancona' is sometimes found in older forms of English, but that usage has generally died out unless you're talking about an edge case like the name of a battle, e.g. 'at Waterloo'). Just quickly revise modern English style so you don't keep getting corrected.

Only wikilink something the first time it appears in the article (e.g. a city name or a unit of measurement such as litres).

You don't need spaces in front of certain measurements. If you want an indented list, use bullet points.

You also don't need to repeat 'In Ancona, several different measurements were used' - it's obvious from the section title. Put the references after what you're referring to, not at the head of a section.

Just following some of the guidelines will reduce the amount of copy-editing your articles need. I'm happy to take a look, but it's down to you to generally get the style right. LouiseS1979 12:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, probably not good to have your mobile number on public display on your userpage. LouiseS1979 13:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Point (unit)

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Thanks, I have modified and addressed the misleading descriptions of the article. I also placed a small description in the talk page too.Shevonsilva

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@Power~enwiki Sorry, I renamed it correctly:https://en.wikipedia.org/Chicuma. The town is in in https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Chicuma,+Angola/@-13.4292739,14.8368504,13126m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x1bba1848f8d1d357:0xf350ef5c8da5c702!8m2!3d-13.42936!4d14.87187.

Kindly goole it. I got 68,400 search results for https://www.google.com/search?q=Chicuma+angola&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab.

Actually I removed the deletion notice as this is a clear misunderstanding and to save time. :)

Thanks for catching it. Portugese to English naming is a bit flacky. Shevonsilva

Umpulo

Your source says "a village", certainly not a city.Xx236 (talk) 06:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@Xx236 I think they do not have a seperate tag for commune and it is marked as a village. User:Shevonsilva

And please find better references for these many populated places in Angola, and check carefully that there is not already an article at a different spelling. One well-referenced stub is better than a handful of stubs only sourced to maps. Thanks. PamD 07:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@PamD Thanks for concerns. Commune can be either city, suburb, village, or, other (cities and villages are not cleary define in some cases). It is a fact Umpulo is a city and commune; actually we really do not need references for that. Spelling for these places are varying in English as these spelling are from either Portugese or French language; yet English language has to enstablish standard English spelling. User:Shevonsilva

No, you are wrong; we do need a reference for the existence of Umpulo and its status as a city, village, etc. Maps are not enough. And if there are variants in English spellings, please make sure that there are redirects, hatnotes or disambiguation page entries from the variations - that way we avoid people creating duplicate articles at different spellings, as you did twice. Please provide proper references and take more care. Thanks. (And if you want to send a "ping" to attract someone's attention to a post, you need to type {{ping|PamD}}, not just @PamD). PamD 16:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@PamD This is a bit rude. We don't need references for those: https://en.wikipedia.org/Essex, https://en.wikipedia.org/Essex, https://en.wikipedia.org/Cambridgeshire, and much more (If you live in Angola, it will be a fact, and, wikipedia is a worldwide project; because you do live in UK, you need references.). You can simply google it. The way you are replying me is a bit rude. I don't like to ping, some people don't like it. We need references for further description. Anyway, it can be argued in both ways. References I have provided are more than enough, as I believe (I do not really have to), than, providing newspaper articles. Try to understand, I am doing hard work here. Try to motivate me instead de-motivating me. I do not like to argue with you. You too are too doing a good service for the world through wikipedia. User:Shevonsilva

Actually we can reliably see the place: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Umpulo,+Angola/@-12.7073046,17.6911805,521a,35y,39t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x1bc8bd9ff4b6c7c7:0x3d0e2883cfae6647!8m2!3d-12.70244!4d17.69227, which is used in Google Satalite Navigater too, making much reliability of the location. User:Shevonsilva

The Cambridgeshire article uses as a reference an article from Encyclopedia Britannica which states that it is a county - I don't see what point you were trying to make by using it as an example above. The article you started as Kassumbe had two links to maps showing a location called "Cassumbe". No evidence for the alternative name. No evidence of what sort of a place it is. No evidence that it is a commune. (It is included in the unsourced list at Communes of Angola, but that is not a valid reference). You have not supplied any evidence for the existence of a place called "Kassumbe", and the evidence for "Cassumbe" shows that a place of some sort exists there but nothing more. Information added to this encyclopedia needs to be reliably sourced: maps and satellite images are not enough. PamD 21:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Points omitted: Essex: "Essex /ˈɛsɪks/ is a county in the East of England. Immediately north-east of London, it is one of the home counties. It borders the counties of Suffolk and Cambridgeshire to the north, Hertfordshire to the west, Kent across the estuary of the River Thames to the south, and London to the south-west. The county town is Chelmsford, which is the only city in the county.", which has no references (do not need). https://en.wikipedia.org/Harlow: Harlow is a former Mark One New Town and local government district in the west of Essex, England. Situated on the border with Hertfordshire, it occupies a large area of land on the south bank of the upper Stort Valley, which has been made navigable through other towns and features a canal section near its watermill. Old Harlow is a village-size suburb founded by the early medieval age and most of its high street buildings are early Victorian and residential, mostly protected by one of the Conservation Areas in the district. In Old Harlow is a field named Harlowbury, a de-settled monastic area which has the remains of a chapel, a scheduled ancient monument., has no references (the first sentance does not need references). Cambridgeshire: is an East Anglian county in England, bordering Lincolnshire to the north, Norfolk to the north-east, Suffolk to the east, Essex and Hertfordshire to the south, and Bedfordshire and Northamptonshire to the west., does not have references (I am talking about the rest of the sentance, not the name changes). Those are my points. We should not have to provide references for facts. User:Shevonsilva

We do have to provide references for facts: that's one of the pillars of the encyclopedia. If you think another article needs better references, then you can add {{cn}} (short for {{citation needed}}. Meanwhile please give references to Reliable Sources which confirm the information you add to the encyclopedia. Thanks. PamD 22:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes PamD I added it once for different article, in case of doubt about the content which cannot be easily validated. It is really nice to talk to you anyway. Thanks much. User:Shevonsilva

Thanks for moving Kassumbe to Cassumbe. I am not sure that is the correct English pronounciation or not (Cassumbe). It is fine as Kassumbe is in portugese and some other references it is used as Cassumbe as it is in French (Readers can understand the variations). As I mentioned earlier correct spelling for it yet to be established in English (and, I want to hightlight it to the readers too, until correct spellings are established.). It is upto the community of Misplaced Pages too. I think I have sufficiantly explained it. It is really nice to talk to you anyway. Thanks much. User:Shevonsilva

Well done for finding the census database and adding references like this one which verifies that Tando Zinze is a commune in Cabinda Province. That's the sort of thing which is needed. Thanks.

I was lucky with Angola and it is in Portugese: I do not speak Portugese :). If I cannot find, no option. Anyway, thanks, because of your wording, I gave further attention even though I still hold my point it as a fact. :) User:Shevonsilva

A suggestion: As you are creating so many stub articles on places, could you perhaps add the appropriate stub tag, to save other editors from doing so (one adding {{stub}} and then one like me stub-sorting it)? For Angola it's just {{Angola-geo-stub}} (added right at the bottom of the article): for other countries there are sometimes stubs for province or other subdivision levels, which are easy enough to find if you look at Category:Brazil geography stubs or whatever. Thanks. PamD 07:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, yaa, I too saw it. Trying to expand it soon, or, have to mark it as stub article.User:Shevonsilva

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Have you considered...

1. Have you considered using importScript('User:Ais523/stubtagtab2.js'); as part of your common.js? I always hated doing anything with stubs since finding the right one was difficult. That script makes going through the directory manageable (though can be slow given amount of data at times).

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Thanks, I will go through this later. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:32, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong kind of commune

The infobox for Cutenda has a link to the wrong use of "commune", although in the lead sentence you've linked it correctly. Please go back and correct this for all the other articles where the infobox link is wrong, before you create any more articles. Thanks. PamD 07:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Good catch. I changed some of them. Hope this will not be a significant effect on existing articles. Shevonsilva (talk) 22:42, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Stubs

While creating all these stub articles, please add {{Angola-geo-stub}} as you go along, to save other editors having to label them as stubs and then stub-sort them.

It would also be useful to add {{coord missing|Angola}}, so that it will go into a category to attract editors who like to go around adding coordinates data to articles.

But you need to sort out your Communes of Angola which aren't Communes, first of all, please. PamD 10:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Hi, all of them are communes. Cities also have a commune with the same name and also be a commune. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

The word "commune" is used in several different ways, but commune links to an article about a group of people living together with shared property etc. In any one country "commune" may have a meaning as an administrative unit. Then there was the Paris Commune (French Revolution), etc etc. Your infoboxes were linking to the wrong kind of commune, although in the text you sensibly linked them as ]. I don't really see what you're trying to say in your comment above. PamD 18:56, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Ooooops, I thought you were talking about the articles. Sorry. Yes, commune is a Commune (refer the first refence of the article). You are right. I don't feel a big urgency for the changes even though it is required. I think Commune article has to be modified to apply more weight in administration too. Description is more like a dictionary description rather than Encyclopedic. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I have amended the hatnote at Commune to make it clearer. PamD 20:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks much Pam. Shevonsilva (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks Shevonsilva (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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Yes, this should be deleted. Shevonsilva (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Please STOP

You have created a very large number of articles on Angolan communities that are essentially the same. They all reference the same census data on Viana. For example: Mangue Grande refers to Viana. Please fix your citations. Thanks, Vexations (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations I think what you mean by "Angolan communities that are essentially the same" is with related to reference error, as these are different communities. Thanks for catching it as the site was down at the time I was creating the article. Yap, I fixed it. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I meant that the articles are all the same in that they all cites the same source (the census data for Viana). It looks like you've been using a template and forgot to update the link to the census data. Vexations (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually I saw it and the site was down and I was targeting the home page at that time and updated the title. That was an error that it was directing to Viana. I appreciate that finding it. If you have a free time, join to improve the article Communes_of_Angola as I was utterly tired of that page, and, it was badly constructed yet, and, incorrect spelling with Portugese wordings, and, it was a big pain for me to insert "Citation Needed" tags (and to find those too). Thanks Vexations Shevonsilva (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Cuilo-Futa moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Cuilo-Futa, refers to census data about another community, Viana. Please fix that. Vexations (talk) 23:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations yap, that was an error. I fixed it, and, moved the draft back to normal article. Thanks. 00:47, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

African stubs

Nice job with your article creations! Population-based areas are always good to have on the encyclopedia, especially for a continent like Africa where not a lot is documented on here. The only thing I noticed going through is that sometimes you forgot to remove the page creation templates (for example: This section is empty, insufficiently detailed or incomplete. Your help is welcome! How to do ?) and the other problem I saw is with spacing. Either too many spaces before a period or comma, or a space before the reference starts. I went through your most recent articles and think I fixed all those problems, just something to keep in mind going forward! :) SEMMENDINGER (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Semmendinger Thanks Semmendinger Shevonsilva (talk) 02:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Nick Moyes Yap. Thanks. Fixed it. Shevonsilva (talk) 21:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Nick Moyes Thanks, if reviewers too can cure the pages too, it would be nice too. Thanks for catching the links Shevonsilva (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Nick Moyes Thanks, Nick. I really expect reviewer can too join my effort to improve the encyclopedia by improving/curing pages which have an importancy as those are high level administrative units, and, I am bloody struggling to find reliable references (that is the important aspect I am focusing at the moment). Thanks much for reviwing and suggesting things. Shevonsilva (talk) 22:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Nick Moyes Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Please get your bot to take a little more care!

Hello. I am dead impressed by the number of articles you've been creating recently. I don't know if you're using a bot, or just working very fast - a new page every six seconds sometimes. But I would urge you, please, to take a little more care in order to make your articles better. I realise you are very responsive to feedback, which is great. May I suggest the following things you/your bot should address:

Commas and fullstops. These should not be preceded by spaces. A large number of your new articles I've seen today contain this fundamental error. Please take more care with these to avoid other editors having to clean up after you, which simply isn't fair on them. e.g. Mangobo; Kasha (commune).
Your articles are often underlinked, and users are helped if you include wikilinks to cities, lakes and other key features in the Congo (and elsewhere).e.g. Irumu Territory, Wangata, Molegbe
Content should be based on cited sources. You have been adding all sorts of information which your very basic references fail to support at all. e.g. Gbadolite (Commune) and Ibanda, Democratic Republic of the Congo. Please do not add content based on your personal knowledge - if you've found it somewhere, please cite it.
A huge suite of near-identical articles have used the same reference with a url in the publisher field, which displays red in the references section. e.g.Moussa Foyo. Please fix these.

Many thanks for the work you're doing, and my apologies for sounding critical. But I think its for the best. Finally, I was a little worried whether a key reference at Statoids.com is a reliable source. Can you assure me on this? - it was hard to determine if it is a personal project of someone, or an academic follow-on of published literature. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@ Nick Moyes Thanks Nick. I too notice those need some kind of proof readings. Thanks for mentioning those. Actually I expect other contributors later cure the missing links. Anyhow, I will do it more in future, Thanks. Those uncited content I generally regarded as fact which do not need citations (assume I am in that perticular country, for example). Please add citations needed tags if you feel that is valuable. External link thing can be fixed later. Thanks. Yes, http://www.statoids.com/ycd.html, Statoids.com is less reliable according to me too, but, it is based on other reliable sources in some cases, and it is used in other articles. I don't much like to use statoids as this is a secondary source, but, unfortunately I was unable to find good more reliable source on those article. Kindly if you find please add those. Thank you much for your suggestions those are much helpful. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm amazed if you're doing it all manually! But that probably accounts for the sloppiness I've been seeing today. I don't accept that it's in any way acceptable for others to have to clean up all your little errors, or that you expect the're will be someone there who will. Yes, we all make mistakes, but it really is your responsibility - and you should be proud to do it - to create the best articles you can here. As for Those uncited content I generally regarded as fact which do not need citations (assume I am in that perticular country, for example) - no! no! and thrice, no! Whilst you can assume the sky is blue, and state it as a fact without any citations, you absolutely may not add stuff you happen to know because you've lived or visited somewhere and assume others know it too. This is a world-wide encyclopaedia. Editors who repeatedly add stuff without citations end up being blocked, or taken to WP:ANI where concerns can be thrashed out. Now, I'm not suggesting that's going to happen to you anytime soon, but that's not the right attitude for someone being so creative as you. If we say stuff here in articles, other users need to be able to see the reference, go away, and then use your citations to see that what's said is true, based on reliable sources. So, what part of the history section in Gbadolite (Commune) do you think it was OK just to add in without supportive referencing? Please add one or I shall sadly deem it appropriate to delete the entire section as being unsubstantiated, and that really would be a shame. You're working so fast that we need to trust you're doing it right. So, anyway, why not just slow down a bit and ensure you create the best pages you can, without you expecting other editors to follow along behind you to put things right, eh? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes You are really motivating me. Thanks. This is an interesting conversation. Facts, for example, that Woodrow Wilson served as president of both Princeton University and the United States, or that Avogadro’s number is 6.02 x 1023, or that the world is sphere, do not need citations. I agree that geographical places familiarity is different from person to person, that is why I mentioned think like I live in that country. Anyway, there is no very strict boundry between what is a fact and what is not a fact. Yes, I will try my best to minimise errors. You are absolutely right with Gbadolite (Commune). That truly needs citations for the content of history part. Thanks for adding the tag. I had to do it before. Thanks much Nick. You are truly motivating me. :) Shevonsilva (talk) 00:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Pam Thanks for catching it. This is a mistake. Gbadolite contains 3 communes: Gbadolite, Molegbe and Nganza. kindly refer: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KvqcDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT347&lpg=PT347&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false. We have to keep it surely. I also modified it further to give more impression of the commune and removed history section which may collectively refer to the city part too. I removed the speedy deletion tag to save time. Thanks Pam. 23:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Please never remove CSD tags from articles you have created: it is against the rules. Even if you believe you're right. Just read the instructions and leave it to someone else to remove the tag.

I see you have now added a decent source to the article. Please add sources like this when you create articles, rather than adding content you "know" or providing links to pages which do not appear to support your text. Quality is more important than quantity. Thanks. PamD 05:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam please do not add speedy deletion tags without properly searching information. Try to changed and improve if you find any missing thing. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I've only just spotted this reply - see below for how to use the "Reply to" template. Your stub said it was about a "city and commune"; there is an existing, much better sourced, article about the city. There was no evidence that your "commune" exists. It is up to you to provide sourced to support the content you add to the encyclopedia. You added a good source, eventually. It would be useful to add the information about the three communes to the article about the city, now that you have supplied that source. Please stop cluttering the encyclopedia with unsourced stubs. PamD 15:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Dear Pam, In https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KvqcDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT347&lpg=PT347&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false, it is clearly mentioned it as a commune. Yes, I agree, we improved the article based on your comments: that is really good. Thanks. Pam, there is a very important thing to notice, I am only creating the articles which are already missed, that may mean contributors are already unable to find sources sometimes, and, I am too really struggling to find better sources. That is good you are creating lengthy articles, I too created those. This is really different case. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Navigation

When you create an article with a disambiguated title like Peni, Chad, remember to add it to the disambiguation page at Peni (sometimes a hatnote will be needed instead). Otherwise the reader cannot find the new article. Again, please slow down and produce better stubs with navigational links. Thanks. PamD 06:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Exactly. Added. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

And take more care - that Peni article is one sentence but has a clear mistake in the "s" on "subprefectures". Do you look at what you have contributed? Please check everything carefully. Thanks. PamD 06:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam yes. sorry. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

"More care". Indeed. It would really help if you could learn the utter basic rules of English, before generating more low-quality articles. This (.) is called a "full stop". It goes at the end of a sentence. It is placed immediately after the last letter of the last word in the sentence. There is no space before the full stop, but there is a space after the full stop. Similarly, this (,) is a comma and the same rules apply. So this (quote): "Oubangi . Gbado , as it is" should be "Oubangi. Gbado, as it is". Also, if you are going around adding hundreds of tiny low-value articles for every village in Africa, the least you could do is link to them from the including area. And, of course, I have to ask, is the addition of these hundreds of "list" articles an improvement to Misplaced Pages? It would surely be more helpful simply to include a list of subdivisions at the next level up. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:20, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium yes and it include more work. :) I tried to cover at least the top level administrative devisions. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Shevonsilva: First, if you are trying to draw someone's attention to a post, you don't just type @Shevonsilva, but you must type {{reply to|Shevonsilva}} or {{ping|Shevonsilva}} or one of the various other options listed at the template documentation of {{reply to}}.

@Pam Thanks, some people do not like for those templates as they are getting multiple alerts when ever I am saving a page. Anyway I will try to find a proper solution for this. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand the problem here. If you use the {{ping}} template the editor you are pinging will get one notification that you have pinged them in the one posting. There will never be multiple alerts caused this way. Multiple alerts can be a problem if someone has watchlisted a page and an editor then makes many small edits to it rather than one substantial edit, but that's a quite different issue. PamD 21:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: you are right. This is a funny story. I only used ping. A lady got angry and blamed me she was always getting alerts whenever I updated the page. Yes, that is helpful. I will try to use {{reply to|..}}. Thanks, Pam. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Then: Please tidy up your own mistakes. You have obviously created a number of articles using a standard pattern with "a subprefectures" - the list at Category:Stubs includes Roro, Chad and Rigaza within the letter "R" and presumably there are many more. You made these mistakes in our encyclopedia. Please fix them now before going on to create any more stubs. Please also add articles to disambiguation pages where necessary: Roro does not include a link to your new stub. PamD 15:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Your reply is based on what the findings of other contributors and I already replied them. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Dasenech (woreda)

What is the Amharic name? Interlink?Xx236 (talk) 06:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Xx236 Actually I do not know. Better to add it. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pont Karwal

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No evidence of existence, let alone status as a commune.

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@Pam yes. Thanks. Sub-prefectures of Chad which is based on proper references, led me to believe its existance. yes for speedy deletion. Good work in reviewing. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Peni, Chad

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No evidence of existence, let alone commune status - neither source provided appears to mention the place.

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@Pam This a mistake. Two sources are actually mentioning Peni, and, here more: https://www.accuweather.com/en/td/peni/53793/weather-forecast/53793, http://www.tageo.com/index-e-cd-v-11-d-m1631595.htm, etc. I remember there was a really good article about Australian Units and Measurements and it was deleted in the end and we lost the content of aborginal units and measurement there forever upto now. :( Shevonsilva (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Which of those sources says that Peni is a subprefecture? I cannot find it listed in your reference 1. If it was listed there, it would be helpful to tell us which Prefecture it is in, as this information is in that list. The two newly added references confirm that some sort of place exists called Peni, but say nothing more about it, and I am not sure that either is a Reliable Source. PamD 15:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam come on Pam.:) Peni in page 4 of https://web.archive.org/web/20110304124933/http://ig-tchad.org/Documents/codes_circonscriptions.pdf is under sub-prefecture. Peni in http://chad.opendataforafrica.org/nhqvrnb/social-statistics is under third-level division (which is an overlapped information for sub-prefecture. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Page 4 of the link you give is a table which has BONGOR as its first subprefecture entry, with "CODE GOUVERNORAT" 11. Where do you see Peni? Please tell me which Gouvernorat and Prefecture it is listed under. I don't think the presence in the index of the Social Statistics is a worthwhile reference. Please provide a source which shows that Peni is a subprefecture. Thanks. PamD 21:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Sorry, it is page 3 in https://web.archive.org/web/20110304124933/http://ig-tchad.org/Documents/codes_circonscriptions.pdf, and, kindly go through 10 -> MANDOUL -> 03 -> MANDOUL -> 04 = bang: that is PENI under sub-prefecture. In http://chad.opendataforafrica.org/nhqvrnb/social-statistics, go through Chad -> Mandoul Orcidental -> Peni (Peni is in the third level). For Social statistics, opendataforafrica is sponsored by African Development Bank Group. The problem is it may not be easy find reliable sources for these places. Anyway, if you find more reliable resouce, you are wellcome to add. :) Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:12, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Birqod

Neither of your references is any use - one does not mention the place, the other is a dead link. Please provide a better source to verify that this place (a) exists and (b) is a District, or is it a "Woreda"? You have added the template {{Districts of the Somali Region}}, but Birqod is not listed there, in this long-established template. All very confusing for the reader. Please check your information sources. And please add more information - if you have a source which says it is in the Somali Region, then say so and include that link, in both text and infobox. Which of the Administrative Zones listed in that article is it in? Your sources should surely tell. Again please slow down and produce better, rather than so many, stubs. Thanks. PamD 16:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam I really believe, you have a lack of understanding of the content. First, in http://rasaasa.com/?page_id=6986, it is mentioned with Bir-qod: there can be an accent variation and iit is there. Secondly, I cannot modify {{Districts of the Somali Region}} because these districts are changing rapidly as these places are continuesly occupied by various rebel groups. District and Woreda is same. The source already present Birqod as a district (i.e. degmada). I added further reference, and, removed the citation tag. Thank for your keenful-ness. Shevonsilva (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

If the only source which names a place uses a different spelling, then it is important to mention that spelling in the article, and indeed to move the article to that spelling. The second reference "Feedyeti" does not work - I get "error 502 - bad gateway" consistently. The map looks interesting and reliable, but can't be used as a source - you don't say which Zone or Region we can find Bir-god/Birgod in, and the reader can't be expected to scan that entire map to find verification of the existence of the place. PamD 21:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Thanks for modifying the article. Bir-qod may not be very commonly used. I found a lot of similar cases and went through commonly used ones as those are translation tables from other languages. Yes, I too got it. Now I am trying to find a cached location for it. Pam, I am a bit dis-agree with your argument. Reviewer has to find the references. In academic writings, readers job is not always to check easy find references: extracting information from the sources sometimes hard (sometimes, they even cann't access it), but, reliability is more important. A map can be used as a reference. Thanks for having an interesting conversation, Pam. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

A page you started (Doutsila Department) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Doutsila Department, Shevonsilva!

Misplaced Pages editor Natureium just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

It may be better for you to create an article, have someone look over it, and then proceed with mass creation. Each batch of articles has had some minor fixes required that would have been easier to correct before. Natureium (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Natureium: Thanks. I believe the "See also" section is very important for the article. May I know the reason for removal of it? :) Shevonsilva (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Shevonsilva: The see also section is for links that many be interesting to a reader, but aren't already linked in the article. The link to departments is already in the article, so it doesn't need to be duplicated. Natureium (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium what do you think of places like this Northern Department? What I considered was to give more attention to the main article too, and, when it is getting bigger it is harder for readers to locate Departments of Gabon which is an important link. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking about that article. Departments of Gabon is linked in the first (only) sentence, so if someone isn't sure what a department is, they can click on it when they read about it. Natureium (talk) 14:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium I got what you are considering. I was thinking when it is getting bigger it will be harder to locate. It is fine. I have improved the article more. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium I am concering of the usage of "See also" and feel it still useful to have it in the article as a cross reference for the user as a guidance. kindly refer (https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED401916.pdf). Thanks Shevonsilva (talk) 17:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has a policy about this. See MOS:NOTSEEALSO. Natureium (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium That policy is contracding itself unfortunately. Thanks for providing a link for it. Shevonsilva (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Page titles

Hi Shevonsilva, as the note I left on Talk:Doutsila_Department said, these titles in the form of "Example Department" aren't the form we use on the English Misplaced Pages. This batch of articles needs to be corrected, but I'm not sure if Doutsila, Gabon is correct or if Doutsila (department) is better because I'm not familiar with the administrative divisions of Gabon. Can you help me out here? Natureium (talk) 01:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium: All other departments of Gabon follows the same pattern, e.g. Komo Department. It may be commonly used as "Doutsila Department"; I don't know; We have to re-direct 50 departments. Can you please provide me the reference of the guildline to impose "Example, Department" unless there is a clear conflict? Thanks Natureium. Shevonsilva (talk) 02:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium: It should be "Example (Department)": parentheses are for dis-ambiguity and comma is for hierarchy generally. Anyway, let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Take care about capital letters: the disambiguation would be "(department)". PamD 05:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Shevonsilva: unless the proper name of the department is Doutsila Department, it should be used as a description rather than part of the name itself. And Pam is correct about the capitalization. WP:TITLES has more information on this. Natureium (talk) 12:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium: Thanks, we may need someone from Gabon. There are are over 40 existing articles created before my articles were created and which are to be changed as a bunch. I don't know it a common name or not. I will leave this to the community to change all the 50 department in the page Departments of Gabon, as I am too not sure the usage of Proper name.

Shevonsilva (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Natureium after searching much about this I have corrected the 50 departments (including the few I have created). Wow, what a job. :) Shevonsilva (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Mass additions

You have been adding "articles" on administrative divisions of Africa. It does appear that you are simply copying lists out of various (not very reliable) sources; you added the last seven (Offoué-Onoye Department, Mongo Department, Doutsila Department, Bayi-Brikolo Department, Lékabi-Léwolo Department, Ogooué-Létili Department, Komo-Océan Department) in the space of 10 seconds. (Yes, ten seconds). I wonder how you do this, and how much care you put into checking the notional information that you are adding? Actually, since you only appear to be expanding lists into stubette articles, this does not strictly appear to add any information at all. I am contemplating an AfD for an arbitrarily selected example, so that there could be a discussion on whether this is useful, but I welcome your comments first. I suppose, incidentally, that it is pure coincidence that a similar list was added to French wikipedia a week or so ago by User:LAT44. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium, Simple, some information portals simply extract information from Misplaced Pages for their definitions for words. These articles should be there. I am not clear what you are considering. New information added are: new references for existence, these are now in category list, these locations are part of the project Africa, Are you going to put AfD for all the departments in Departments of Gabon? I am not getting anything from this. How fast I am creating the articles is not a factor to be considered. I feel bad about this, some others consider Africa is less important. This is not right. I have a thought of deleting all the articles I have created (except for a few, I already contacted the original authors of the concepts) and stay away from Misplaced Pages. That might be easier than expecting contributors support to expanding it, as I already started to use Encyclopedia Britainna. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I do not think your "expansions" are improving Misplaced Pages. If you did them in software, at least they would be consistent, but as it is you leave masses of errors. (And neither "reference" you cite is actually valuable: one is a kind of blog supporting sales of a book, the other is "official" but is only a passing mention.) PamD asked you very politely to clean up the mess you are making, so you deleted her comment. I do not think this is cooperative behaviour. If you are not here to cooperate, I will certainly support taking you to ANI. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium OK. What is on that comment is already in the previous comment under you, and, I already replied for it. That is not much polite. Cooperation is different and non-polite languagle is differnt. I already inform him/her about it. Can you show me the location of poorly cited article? Shevonsilva (talk) 14:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Offoué-Onoye Department There are two references:

1: from http://sgg.gouv.ga/ is official, but gives only a passing mention (which doesn't even confirm the name, since it's block caps, no accents)
2: from http://statoids.com/ is a bloggy site, supporting sales of a book; again, it's only a list

Neither of these adds any information; the "article" as a whole is simply a copy of the entry at Departments of Gabon, which is more usable. It looks rather from the official bulletin that "Départements" (as I would call them) are created at whim. Have you noticed anything about the "capital" of Offoué-Onoye, I wonder? Imaginatorium (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium interesting. I will go to have coffee outside. I will be back and address these. Kindly give me some time. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium I am back.

Case 1: http://sgg.gouv.ga/: this is the first time, I heard that something cannot be confirmed if it is in block capital. Kindly give me a reference for it in academic materials. Yes, it is without accents.

Case 2: http://statoids.com/ is for book and http://statoids.com/yga.html is based on references: Géographie et Cartographie du Gabon: atlas illustré, by Jacques Barret, EDICEF, Paris, 1983., SALB project, attributed to Institut :::::National de Cartographie; first draft dated 2000, second draft dated 2005, with updates made 2003-01-15 (Libreville, correcting a misunderstanding) and 2003-04-03 (Bayi-Brikolo, Mougalaba, and Mongo)., Consulate of Gabon in France (retrieved 2009-04-06)., Internet Gabon (dated 2008, retrieved 2009-04-06)., Journal Officiel de la République Gabonaise: Jan. 1997 (retrieved 2009-04-06)., Gabon National Assembly website (retrieved 2009-04-06). legabon.org (retrieved 2009-04-06)., 2003 population figures from Journal Officiel de la République Gabonaise, Février 2005, p. 11 ff. These data are as corrected by the constitutional court in Decision No. 003/CC, 2005-02-17. Can you prove me the validity of the references provided or it is wrong under your review?

Collective case 1: My naming is based on the article, Departments of Gabon and it was there before hand. So, we have to review that article first.

Collective case 2: http://statoids.com/ is mentioned in a vast majority of articles and I also provided my opinion of it in a previous talk.

Collective case 3: naming of these yet to be confirmed in English and Community can redirect these when there is a common usage.

Important point: These should be in the encyclopedia as these are high level administrative units, and for example, for England, there are articles for tiny units too.

Point to un-bias effort of mine: a vast number of departments in Gabon, for example, Komo Department, , Noya Department and much more, do not even have any references. May be considered as a fact sometimes (arguemental). We are to much worrying about it. My articles are far more better than those.

Thanks for your contribution. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Shevonsilva: I am not going to waste my time responding to all of your rambling. Your grasp of English is simply not good enough for a reasonable discussion. OK, I will do one sentence, headed "Case 1: http://sgg.gouv.ga/:" above. I simply pointed out that since the passing mention of the name in a government bulletin is in French block caps, it does not even confirm the precise spelling. Yes, of course all the letters agree, but we cannot tell if an 'e' should have an acute accent or not. | The basic point is that you are creating microstubs (literally hundreds? what on earth for?) and these have generally less information, less reliably copied, than in the list articles from which you expanded them. You get to list all these on your user page, and that's about it. Imaginatorium (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@ Your grasp of English is simply not good enough for a reasonable discussion: can you point out which part of it you really meant (please read my full response) (FYI: I am more qualified in English than you)?

For spellings (I exaclty know you are worried about Block Caps; I created it, and faced the same problem, and, kindly google it with the accent, there are references, we can redirect it after the name is well established: not the official name but the most common name is the more important), please refer: Collective case 1 and Collective case 3.

For Stubs: Kindly check https://www.google.com/search?q=Nounkounkan+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab, you will understand the value of it as a person who want reliable information of a place in Africa. And, I already mentioned about information portals are using wikipedia titles to extract information (not the content).

My user page is a cross reference of my articles involved for easy access and may expand later (That is personel).

Kindly read my full response as I am trying clear your doubts and I am using my time for it.

Kindly do not take my responses as a rude way, you are attacking my personally than doing a contribution (as I felt), Sorry.Shevonsilva (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Your responses are not really "rude"; they just confirm you cannot understand what anyone else is saying. I repeat the main problem: "The basic point is that you are creating microstubs, and these have generally less information, less reliably copied, than in the list articles from which you expanded them." Show some evidence that you can understand this. The very first comment on your user page (several years ago) is an unrelated user asking you to stop creating low-quality stubs. Why do you take no notice? Imaginatorium (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Addtional point: articles for Botella (measurement), Dimi (metric prefix), Bucket (unit) and Quarter yard were created by me in the beginning. It was recommended for deletion, later, those were re-created, and, better to improve the articles than deleting and re-creating it again. I truely need openions from people around the world and there is always a few here. Shevonsilva (talk) 21:47, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Correction: it is not true to say that those four articles were re-created. Botella (measurement) is a red link, no mention of a measurement at the Botella disambiguation page; Dimi (metric prefix), Bucket (unit) and Quarter yard are all redirects. I remember the whole painful episode of those dubious articles on units, sourced to a single book which appeared to be completely unreliable. Please don't complicate matters now by making false assertions. PamD 22:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Re-directions are regarded as a creation. It happened later. Shevonsilva (talk) 01:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up

I'm pleased to see that you have now fixed your "a subprefectures" mistakes. Thanks. PamD 22:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@maginatorium @PamD Yap, heavy work. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Article titles again

Why are you creating articles with titles like Louetsi-Bibaka (department)? There is no other article in the encyclopedia with the title Louetsi-Bibaka, so there is no need to disambiguate. Please stop creating incorrectly titled articles. Thanks. PamD 22:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

And if for some reason that was the correct title for the page, then you should have added it to a disambiguation page, or made a hatnote, or created a redirect, at Louetsi-Bibaka, so that the reader had a chance of finding the page. From your reply to my posting at #Navigation above I thought that you now understood this point (it applies to bracketed disambiguation just as much as to comma disambiguation), but evidently you do not understand it. Please make sure that readers can find your articles, by providing appropriate navigation to disambiguated titles. Thanks. PamD 22:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD The problem is with Departments of Gabon page. It gives all sort of errors. Someone has to fix it. Redirected it. Shevonsilva (talk) 23:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I hope you are not using the Departments of Gabon page as a source for your articles: Misplaced Pages is not a Reliable Source. PamD 23:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam it is the main page for the category Shevonsilva (talk) 23:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

You need to create articles at correct titles, regardless of what other editors may have done in the past. Then make redirects from any alternatives which have been used, or correct the links. Please name your new stubs correctly, always. PamD 07:00, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

PamD, hope you understand how much effort I am giving here with sources in different languages with variety of spelling variations. Yes, I will do my best. Shevonsilva (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Come on

I just found Nounkounkan where you didn't even get the name of the subject right in the article, and cited the wrong source. I don't know what you're trying to do, and I assume you mean well, but the level of clean-up required while you race to create articles at breakneck speed is disruptive, and I am seriously considering requesting that you are blocked from creating articles until you agree to clean up after yourself. Vexations (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations Ooooooops. yes, thanks for correcting. I am really trying to finish the gaps in the Africa asap. Thanks, it was a big error. Shevonsilva (talk) 01:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Please take an moment and read Misplaced Pages:There is no deadline. Vexations (talk) 02:19, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations yes I will take more care on these small articles. Anyway, this is more enjoyable and challenging for me as it is very hard to find sources for the places in Africa, and than creating lenghy articles with plenty of sources for the moment. And, I am learning a plenty of things in every angle. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 02:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations https://www.google.com/search?q=Nounkounkan+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab: don't we feel great, now people can get more reliable information about the place, whole world knows about it, people can navigate over wider range tover sub-prefecture in Guinea. didn't we do a great work? :) I know mistake may happen as this is a lot of editings. I will try to minimise it. Shevonsilva (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Destubathon banner

Why are you adding the Destubathon banner to pages like Talk:East, Guinea-Bissau? It was a short-term project in 2016 to expand and improve on stubs for Africa, and your work is going in exactly the opposite direction by creating hundreds of minimal stubs which don't even include the information available from your own sources (eg which higher-level units a place is in, or its coordinates). Please remove that inappropriate banner where you have added it. Thanks. PamD 05:34, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pam Did you see any positive thing over my hard work to cover big gaps in Africa and trying to give more attention of the continent? Do you know how difficult for me to find information on these places of the Africa? Shevonsilva (talk) 15:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question. Why are you adding an inappropriate project banner to those talk pages? PamD 18:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Wrong country

In your stub North, Guinea-Bissau, you link "Guinea-Bissau" to Guinea. They are different countries. Please correct all cases where you have made this incorrect link, before you create any more stub articles. And please take more care. PamD 18:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD Thanks. Appreciate it as how much my effort is there is something always and coportation it important. Shevonsilva (talk) 19:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Why not give more information?

Your two sources for Bomachoge Chache Constituency both tell us that it is in Kisii County. So why not include that information in your stub article? It really looks as if your sole goal is to add to the number of articles you can list yourself as having created, rather than the addition of useful information to the encyclopedia. Please add more content when it is so clearly available to you from your sources.

You added it to the category Category:Constituencies of Kenya. Perhaps you didn't notice that this category has subdivisions by province and by county. Again, you could have made this stub so much more useful by using the information which you had at hand, instead of rushing on to create the next article.

You have also used the wrong infobox. There is a specialised infobox {{Infobox constituency}}. Please use this one in future for any constituencies, instead of {{Infobox settlement}}.

I've upgraded this one, but please make your articles better as you go along. Thanks. PamD 19:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD To be honest, I left to update later about the categories as these were provice by provice,. Two important findings: Category:Constituencies of Kenya and {{Infobox constituency}}. Thanks. I will add categories in a bit later after taking a rest. Shevonsilva (talk) 19:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD It was fixed by a reviewer. Shevonsilva (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Commonwealth District, Montserrado County

This is much better than many of your stub creations have been. You have told us which county the place is in, and added some census data: thanks.

I have improved the article by adding the county and the census data to the infobox - there is little point in having an infobox unless you use it to provide as much info as is available.

You now need to add this article to the disambiguation page at Commonwealth District so that readers can find it - particularly as there are two other districts of the same name in Liberia. Please remember that whenever you create an article with a disambiguated name you need to make sure that there is navigation to it from the basic name, from a disambiguation page or a hatnote (I see you have not yet made a link from Roro to Roro, Chad, as just one example). PamD 19:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@PamD Thanks. Important things to notice. Shevonsilva (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

You say you notice these things but you have created a huge number more stubs where you don't tell us the info you know, eg Monguel Department which you know from your source is in Gorgol Region. Just include that important extra fact, please. PamD 05:46, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I am thinking to add it in a later stage. Really tired of finding references for existence of these places and some places mentioned in Misplaced Pages are not really existing sometimes. At the moment, I am correcting those. Big work. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Stubs again

Please add an appropriate stub tag to your bulk-created stubs, to save other editors doing so one at a time and Category:Stubs being flooded with African subdivisions. There is always a country stub eg {{Mauritania-geo-stub}}. In some cases there are stub tags for divisions, but they could be sorted out later. PamD 05:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Mauritania now

Hello! I just looked at the "article" M'Bagne Department, which is a truly extraordinary block of text. It looks as though it has been copied from some editorial comment somewhere, but the punctuation etc etc is as awful as most of your contributions. (And I think this means it can't be machine translation.) Can you explain where it came from? Is there any chance you could respond to requests to slow down, and produce positive contributions instead of junkstubs? Imaginatorium (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Very sorry, it was in another source. The content wasn't encyclopedic. Removed. I really need the help from all of you to complete this work. Later we can add more information. Shevonsilva (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bogué Department

The article Bogué Department has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No evidence of existence. Probably a misprint for Boghé

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I am typing in my mobile and sorry short replies. This is a mistake.

Reference 1: the department is listed as a department and its communes are listed as communes including the one with its name. Anyway, I will try to find more references (this is a very hard work to find references.) I really need support from all of you to finish this work, for my personal satisfaction. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Comment: This "article" includes a list of municipalities, and the last line says "...sarandogou bocar baidy dia." Can you explain what this means? Or can you tell us where you copied it from? Thanks. It would really be nice if you answered questions. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:21, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I am always answering the questions. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Really? Well, answer this one then: What does "...sarandogou bocar baidy dia." mean? Imaginatorium (talk) 15:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I am using my mobile for typing. I added a Citation for it. Hope you will understand how hard to validate those places. I need the support from all contributors for my work. I am really impressed about notifying places like this. Thanks. This is bloody hard work to include the need but hard to find places. Thanks. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

No, you added a "Citation needed" tag. Let me help you: this is not the name of a village, this is a note at the end of the list, in a garbled Indian language, about who created it. Now will you tell us where you got this list from? Do you notice anything odd about it? (Hint: see if it follows the normal rules for a list of names.) Imaginatorium (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it was odd. I was not sure to remove it or not. This is the exact support I and Misplaced Pages really need from the community. I got it from a different wiki page. thanks, I removed it. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, this is not how WP pages are supposed to be created: by copying stuff you do not understand from pages you know nothing about. Now look at the list of "municipalities". There certainly is a commune called Boghé (in the Boghé departement), but it has a population of about 40,000. This leaves 20,000 among your list of about 25 others, an average of 800 people per commune. This is not likely, so probably you copied this from some valueless junk page. Your efforts to create pages (you have created about 2000, that's 1000 "articles" and their talk pages in about a month. Will you slow down? If you do not, I will go to ANI, and suggest that you should be blocked (indefinitely) from creating new articles. Every minute you spend on this surely creates many times the amount of work for the other people you expect to clear up your mess. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: you are mistaken. "sarandogou bocar baidy dia" in portugese, not indian. Still need to investigate. How do you think this is Indain? any racist issue, here? yes, I got the link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/D%C3%A9partement_de_Bogh%C3%A9. You know validation for the place names are not always needed as local contributors may edit these. I will reply to your harsh junk issue in a bit. Shevonsilva (talk) 16:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: Kindly answer me. what is "http://www.mauritania.mr"? did you check it? how do I validate your assumption of census (what qualification do you have with statistical analysis? you are not answering my previous questions too. You like to involve in arguemnts with me and impress others while others are supporting me and suggesting me important things like bots and stuff. You only created two pages (according to your page), look like you got no idea how much effort we have to put to create pages: you worried about official naming of place without understanding proper usage of proper names yet to be define, and make a number of follow-up mistakes too and I have to explain these to you, and, you are trying to argue with me. Try to be positive and create some new pages, and, try to improve the encyclopedia instead of jumping to suggest deletion of articles to impress others. Others are supporting my work (with the exception of PamD (now she is supporting me too as I believe). 16:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: I got a good friend in Japan anyway. Can you use your time to cross check Communes of Niger? I did it a bit. Still need more verification of the places. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium I went through your article too: (non-stub) . Your article Marie Pleyel has a number of issues, mainly you have combined non-sourced footnote with refernce list. We don't do things like that in academic writings. You have to create footnote grouping for it. And, it has elementery English. I can understand why you are skipping my questions. I am not going to point-out other stuff in your talk pages, as even Encyclopedia Britannia has errors on it sometimes. I really need to discuss these with experiaced and educated author. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: You have to improve how to talk to people in a professional way. Your English is much like Gangster English. Sorry for telling you this. Shevonsilva (talk) 04:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)