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Charlotte, North Carolina

Was Charlotte, North Carolina also named after her? Michael Hardy 00:02, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes. It's even the county seat of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. RickK 00:06, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

African ancestry section is huge mass of OR

I don't see any sources in this section which review the claims of African ancestry and say that they're incorrect; the "actually Valdes is wrong because" seems to all come from a Misplaced Pages editor. Does anyone have any sources, or does the section need to be cut down? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

There's some criticism at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/27/britains-black-queen-will-meghan-markle-really-be-the-first-mixed-race-royal/?utm_term=.a6dac0d4a2d3, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/12/race-monarchy, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews-arts-culture/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-queen-charlotte-180967373/, and http://www.philly.com/philly/news/meghan-markle-mixed-race-prince-harry-queen-charlotte-20171128.html. They could be used to re-draft the section. DrKay (talk) 21:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Roscelese. A lot of the citations in this section appear to be drawn from obscure Portuguese publications, hence impossible to verify because this is English Misplaced Pages after all. I've made an attempt to add text from the sources that DrKay suggested. Please review and guide accordingly--DanJazzy (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Auntieruth55 (talk · contribs) 16:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I'll be starting this review in the next couple of days. auntieruth (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

2nd paragraph of "Life as Queen" needs a citation. Many other citations are missing. Placing onhold for 7 days. auntieruth (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Auntieruth55: The short passage about the birth of her children and the two childhood deaths? I can see about remedying that, but will you not list the other complaints? – Conservatrix (talk) 19:58, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Auntieruth55: Comment. This article has extensive copyright violations of several sources, so please check it with the Earwig copyvio tool. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

1785: War of Bavarian Succession was over in 1779. Are you referring to the territorial deal between Joseph and Charles Theodore, over some territory in the Netherlands?

Not done Unable to find sourcing that references British involvement in the territorial disputes of 1785.

several citations missing (marked) Done
section on legacy has some text pretty close to the source. could you rework this more in your own words?

Question: The only citation was attached to a list. You want me to reword a list of locations?

direct citation on David Buck's comment?

Not done Seemingly cannot be found without access to The Boston Globe Archives.

rework sentence According to Mario de Valdes y Cocom, Charlotte may have had African ancestry, via descent from Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman, who traced her ancestry to King Afonso III of Portugal (1210–1279) and one of his mistresses, Madragana (c. 1230–?). For example, ....Cocoim, historian of the African Diaspora, posits that Charlotte may have had some African ancestry; she descended from Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15.... etc. Done
would be interesting to dig out a cite on introduction of Christmas tree (or did I miss it).

Question: Where was a Christmas tree mentioned? Are you referencing the tradition of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert?

there are several citations still missing, and one leads to an error of fact.
what was the source on the dispute of 1785? It cannot be that they were intervening in the war. Where did that statement come from?

Question: In 1785 the plan to swap Bavaria for the Austrian Netherlands was secretly negotiated again, this time Emperor Joseph II. in favour of the deal, although Bavaria provided considerably lower revenues than the Austrian Netherlands. Yet Prussia threatened with war when Frederick the Great heard of the project, Saxony, Hannover, Mainz sided with Prussia; the plan was not realized. This is all that could be found on Bavarian politics in 1785. Your call on whether the statement is removed.

source of deaths of Octavius and Alfred? Done
source on Queen's death Done
Fitzgerald source needs proper link to online google books. Ideally, maybe you could find some page numbers and link to them. Simplty linking to the book at every sentence in a paragraph is insufficient, especially if you're going to take this further than GA.

Partly done: Google books link found. Page citations not done.

Sources on Bloomsbury memorial, Rutgers, Charlotte Durham, and Madness of King George needed. Done

I added sources on Rutgers. auntieruth (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

you can cite some of this material to Walley Oullton's published memoirs auntieruth (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

still needs a citation on first paragraph of "early life" and first paragraph of "marriage" Done
I tightened up the sourcing on several other paragraphs. Every sentence doesn't need a cite, but theparagraph did. It would ultimately be helpful if you had page citations. I understand that you might not be interested in that....auntieruth (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Auntieruth55: I mean to get Charlotte over the threshold of GA status. Are page citations vital to her passing? – Conservatrix (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

No, as long as the source is there. We do need citations on those paragraphs mentioned above. I fixed War of Bavarian Succession, and a couple of other spots. Find those missing citations on those paragraphs, and we're good.auntieruth (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Auntieruth55: The deed is done. – Conservatrix (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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Lowercase sigmabot III

Greetings! I would like to establish lowercase sigmabot III on this talk page to manage the discussion backlog. Please post your thoughts, support or objections below so that we might reach consensus. Thank you. - Conservatrix (talk) 08:16, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Done 48hrs no objections. – Conservatrix (talk) 01:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Portraits

Why should the section Early life contain a portrait from 1761? Why should text be squeezed between images, which is against MOS:IMAGELOCATION? Why should the portrait made of her as a princess be mostly within the section Life as queen? I would appreciate if well-intentioned and explained edits were not reverted without an explanation. Reverting a reasonable edit simply because consent had not been sought for it is as unhelpful as it gets. Surtsicna (talk) 09:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

CITEVAR

The article is a bit confused on the WP:CITEVAR side when it comes to citing books at multiple pages.

For some references, it repeats the long form each time
For some, it inconsistently uses both the long and the short forms
For some, it uses the short form with a link and the year in brackets (Template:sfn)
For some, it uses the short form without a link and the year

Please stick to one method and apply it consistently. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Charlotte in Portraiture

My reorganization has inadvertently excluded Charlotte's golden age, the 1770s, because the article is oddly arranged and would result in clutter if all were employed. The chronological order has been upset by George's episodes of madness. Surely these magnificent portraits deserve to be displayed:

Nathaniel Dance-Holland, 1768
Johann Zoffany, 1770
Dance-Holland
Zoffany, 1771
Dance-Holland, 1773
Benjamin West, 1779
Joshua Reynolds, 1779

– Conservatrix (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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