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Poll

Please review the poll proposal on Pursuit of Nazi collaborators and discuss accordingly on the talk page. There is no voting as of yet. --Viriditas 20:22, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

I have requested Arbitration, too. HistoryBuffEr 04:48, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)

Excellent; I welcome it. Jayjg 16:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Operation Defensive Shield

trying to get the NPOV marker removed by requesting specific examples of NPOV material. No presented by Alberuni. Keep an eye out there please. Lance6Wins 17:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Israel Shahak

Aloha, Jayjg. I think there may be a slight, unintended bias in the passage regarding Shahak and Radio Islam. If you read it again, it almost appears to be a form of guilt by association, even though the facts you present are substantiated. A simple rewrite will rectify the problem. and present (as well as preserve) the content in a more neutral light. Although it's totally up to you (I believe you are the author, although I could be wrong), there are a number of ways of going about this. I think instead of stating an association between Shahak and the hate groups -- which most certainly exists -- it might be fair to simply move the section to a Criticism section, and simply state the names of the claimants and their allegations in a separate sentence. It's one of those, it's not what you say, it's how you say it problems. I'll make some changes, and if you don't like them, please modify my work. Thanks. --Viriditas 09:43, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arafat

Knock it off with the reverts, JG. Thanks. -SV 19:28, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, somebody had to knock it off, and Im glad its protected now. I suggest doing the Yasser Arafat/Draft thing, and choosing two moderate editors (people who refrain from reverts) to reconstruct the article. Thanks. -SV 19:37, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Email

Email sent. --Viriditas 00:23, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vote

Please vote on the title for Pursuit of Nazi collaborators. You can vote here. --Viriditas 02:47, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sabra and Shatila Massacre

I attempted to revert HistoryBuffEr's changes to Sabra and Shatila Massacre, but having too many windows open, I mistakenly copied your user page instead. I immediately fixed it, but I'm sorry about that. --Viriditas 03:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Munich Massacre

Please add Munich Massacre to your list. Also see the Talk page to see a brief summary of HistoryBuffEr's distortions. --Viriditas 07:47, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have attempted a compromise version of Munich Massacre that incorporates the best parts of both versions. Improvements are welcome, but I would like to humbly ask that you not do a blanket revert, as you would be reverting good edits as well as bad. Thanks! – Quadell ] 22:21, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

I'm honored you'd ask. I can try. (At best, it might help, and at worst, it'll at least provide evidence for an RFC or arbitration request.) But I reserve the right to give up and walk away if I feel myself losing my cool. What articles did you have in mind? (Oh please, Hashem, don't let him say anti-Semitism. . .) – Quadell ] 23:51, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Al Aqsa Intifada

Please keep an eye of this page. Alberuni deleted some key facts (about A-Doura and Jenin, for example) and nobody noticed. I reverted it to the previous version now and it should be O.K. Anyway, I be watching the page. MathKnight 19:35, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi, you again missed Alberuni POV bias and propoganda of deleting true facts. I instered the changes again (8:09, 11 Nov 2004). Next time, before you response on Alberuni's edit, please check history to see if he did revert my version. Alberuni's sabotage of the article are as follows:

• Denying the lynch im Ramallah and instead claiming the PA killed two Israeli assissns (and opposing to the Talk section, that nobody supported his Palestinian melicious lie).
• Denying the Palestinian accusation on massacre in Jenin while claiming that there was a massacre - against all reported of UN, HRW and others.
• The killing of Abbedullah Qawasameh (2003) - describing the YAMAM as an assissination squad although they came to arrest him.
• Operation Days of Penitence: constantly removing the fact the most casualties were militants.
• Biasing "tactics" of Israel.

Please keep and eye if he does a drastic change, revert to my version. MathKnight 08:18, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

CfD: Category:Advocacy

Please vote on Category:Advocacy. HistoryBuffEr created this category as a duplicate of Category:Activism, and fabricated a negative definition associating Advocacy with propaganda -- a definition that cannot be found in any dictionary. Then, he replaced Category:Activism with his new Category:Advocacy on Hasbara and Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. Advocacy groups are already categorized under Activism so HistoryBuffEr's new category is essentially a duplicate, and contains a false definition. --Viriditas 10:05, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree with you on that one

I've read your argument with some guy at the Yasser Arafat's page, and I must say I do agree with you. Also, I feel happy that there's people who fight against the POV which are pretty common to occur in some articles.

Yasser Arafat

User:HistoryBuffEr is vandalizing Yasser Arafat, see Talk:Yasser_Arafat#HistoryBuffEr_warnings. You might want to put an eye. MathKnight 21:47, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

help?

I have made my own proposal for the "new messiah" section, and would appreciate your comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#New_Messiah_paragraph -- thanksSlrubenstein

I have responded to your critiques. Please continue to contribute on this article! Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus - Amgine 05:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) I have responded to your further critiques. Thanks again for your input! - Amgine 07:49, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Oh, forgot to mention... Aaron and Moses were Levites, and from my sources both Kohen and Levi are roles or positions in a Judaic reading of the Torah (and, of course, Levi was also a son of Jacob and founder of the tribe of Levi). The Kohen must be a descendent of Aaron, but the Levi may be any Levite.

On a related note, there were kings of the Jews prior to David, in addition to the Hasmoneans, who were not descended from David. According to the jewish culture of the time of the Hasmoneans, they were properly annointed Messiah Kings, though they may have been less respected due to their lack of lineage through David. Just thought you might want to know these bits of trivia vís-a-vís the article discussion. - Amgine 07:56, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Following the guidelines of the Misplaced Pages dispute resolution, I am asking if you would please remove your comments which are primarily challenges to me personally from the Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus discussion as it would be inappropriate for me to address them while Slrubenstein, Cheesedreams, and myself are in mediation. I will be happy to address each of them here on your talk page, or in the article talk page after the mediation process is completed. Thanks! - Amgine 03:10, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I understand and respect you philosophy regarding removing comments from talk: pages. However, since I feel it could unnecessarily risk the mediation Slrubenstein has requested and since I feel it could unnecessarily risk the potential compromise which is being developed regarding the locked article I am constrained from responding to the content of your responses. That you have now been informed of this, I would consider it baiting and uncivil of you to add personal challenges in that talk page. - Amgine 17:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Araft Blanket Reverts

Your Nov 13:16-17 blanket revert of major portions of this article have overwritten my changes to the illness and death section. That is the 2nd time my changes have been overwritten, previously was by HistoryBuffEr. Other changes by other contributors have presumably also been overwritten. If you want to wage war about the content of the page, please avail of the existing Misplaced Pages dispute resolution mechanisms, including locking the page. Due to your revert, the rest of us are currently wasting our time making changes.

If you are making your changes in the interests of factual accuracy, you will appreciate my attempt to record that Arafat's illness was first reported on Oct 25 and not Oct 28, as specified in the version you inserted.

If you feel the need to do a wholesale revert in the article again, please include my version of the Illness and Death section.

I have posted the same message to HistoryBuffEr - Rye1967 23:58, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Arafat

HistoryBuffEr has reverted Yasser Arafat four times in 24 hours:

1. 23:18, 12 Nov 2004 - Revert of 24.81.198.191
2. 09:33, 13 Nov 2004 - Revert of 195.7.55.146
3. 18:17, 13 Nov 2004 - Revert of 218.208.238.131
4. 19:24, 13 Nov 2004 - Revert of Viriditas

--Viriditas 05:52, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Who are you?

Ok, just to clarify, I'm not you and you're not me and Xed's not me and you're not Xed and I'm not Xed and Xed's not me and Xed's not you. Are we agreed? Neutralisation 06:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What? --NoPetrol 09:33, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for protecting the Mordechai Vanunu article from Xed's edit warring. I don't know why he wouldn't discuss it but hopefully he will now. Thanks. Deuxmachina 14:13, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I will hang in there, and will definitely take up your suggestion about working through the individual changes with Xed. He doesn't seem keen to talk but might come around. Deuxmachina 14:39, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

sorry if I f*cked up there. I found the page from VIP, had a brief look at diff and decided that obviously the "vandal" slipped in an edit just before your protection. I know that pov-pushers are not considered vandals, and if I violated policy by this, feel free to revert me. dab 16:08, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am a very fresh admin, and I do have an interest to remain very clean. But my edit was in best faith. If it is indeed violating policy, it can be reverted by one mouseclick by another administrator, and I will gladly be told that I made a mistake. Maybe we should put the case before a third, uninvolved admin and let him judge. Anyway, the protection is there not to remain but to encourage the parties to find a compromise. I hope that they will do this and that we can remove the protection soon. I understand that protection should happen 'blindly', but since the final edit contained severe pov wording that would have been reverted anyway, and since I never participated in any Israeli topic before, I do believe it is obvious that my reversion was in good faith, while I admit that it may have been wiser to leave the case to more experienced hands. dab 19:29, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Evidence of NPOV editing

Would you please place evidence under this heading on the evidence pages of your arbitration case which show you have made edits to Jewish, Zionist and Palestinian related topics which demonstrate NPOV editing.

If I understand the case, one of the accusations is that you engage regularly in POV editing. I will put provisional findings of fact in the proposed decision which document POV editing, but wish to offer you an opportunity to demonstrate that your editing is more balanced than it appears in the complaint. Fred Bauder 17:49, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

I note you offer edits removing this material from the article, Anti-Zionism, as a NPOV edit. Could you explain to me how this is NPOV? What was wrong with the information? Fred Bauder 02:44, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate your vote on my RFA. Joyous 00:48, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Aberuni

Yes, when I said "seems to value" I mean more precisely "claims to value." At this point, being an optimistic virgin to Israel/Palestine edit wars, I take him at face value. Cool Hand Luke 02:27, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards

I have drafted a proposal for a new voluntary association on Misplaced Pages (joining groups like the Misplaced Pages:The Business and Economics Forum and the Misplaced Pages:Harmonious editing club) to promote discussion of a sort of system of expert review on Wiki. Please take a look and add your ideas. 172 02:33, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Wonderful idea! I have joined. I will let some others know. Thank you. IZAK 03:27, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Anti-Zionism - NPOV edit

Hi Fred, did my explanation clarify why I thought that was an example of a NPOV edit? Also, in the initial Arbitration request a couple of Arbitrators mentioned "injunctions". Could you tell me what those are and how they work? If a Talk: page is an inappropriate place for that, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks. Jayjg 15:50, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am probably done for the day as far as doing any serious work so I will take a look at that tomorrow. An injunction, as we are using it, is temporary orders meant to deal with troublesome situations, for example in the case Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Gzornenplatz,_Kevin_Baas,_Shorne,_VeryVerily#Temporary_injunction where Shorne and VeryVerily regularly engage in extensive revert wars. You would ask for them when there is some intolerable situation that needs to be dealt with immediately pending a decision. The closest analogy at law would be a temporary restraining order. However, as I don't know the exact context in which "injunction" was used they may mean something more. But generally we have not used that word in the legal sense, for example, we forbad (enjoined) Irismeister from editing Iridology, but never used that word. Fred Bauder 16:40, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Now I have looked (in the morning, when I can think) at your explanation, I see that it is indeed an example of NPOV editing, although I think you might have gone a bit far by deleting it completely rather than attributing to a specific conference. However the article cited does confuse the report of that particular conference with whatever the official position of the Church might be. So if the link to the article is retained the POV jump to conclusions remains. Anyway, this is the sort of edit I'm looking for where instead of standing by while the POV warriors on "your side" go overboard, you provide necessary correction. Fred Bauder 12:34, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Revert war on Arab-Israeli conflict

Please stop this. I've placed a message on Alberuni's talk page also. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:27, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If the comment is a "conspiracy theory" (not scare quote, just quoting yourself) from Alberuni then I see you may feel this is original research. If this is so, I haven't seen you say this on the talk page (though I might be being unobservant). If Alberuni can find external sources for his theory, then he may be able to add something, albeit in a modified form. However, please try to remember I still know little about the whole issue. Perhaps I'm lazy, but maybe an outside reviewer might help here. Perhaps you could state your case to me again, keeping in mind I know nothing of this issue? Maybe we can come to some sort of compromise. At the very least we can try. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think you might be interested in my comments on Alberuni's talk page (Ta bu shi da yu 22:58, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)):

OK, I've carefully read what you wrote, and I find it extremely interesting. Ironically, I'm somewhat sympathetic to your views. I sometimes wonder why the U.S. let's Israel get away with some of the things it gets away with... that said I wonder when this conflict will cease (I don't think it will in my lifetime) as I beleive both sides are equally to blame! You'll have to note I come from a Christian background, so I'm declaring my potential biases right here so you'll understand where I'm coming from.

I think, however, that if you want to keep the text for the U.S. 9/11 attacks, you're going to have to do more to convince people (including myself). Firstly, I agree with Jayjg's statement that "attacks on the U.S. are not attacks on Israel, nor part of the Arab-Israeli conflict, since Israel is not a proxy for the U.S., nor is the U.S. a "Zionist Occupied Government" proxy of Israel"". Whether the Sept. 11 attacks were directed against the U.S. or against Israel is a matter for debate. Secondly, I beleive you must have gotten your information from somewhere. You seem pretty intelligent, so I'm guessing you are well read up on this subject (better read than me anyway, I'll bet). Perhaps if you could point us to some external sources, we would be able to include your information. Heck, we could put it into another section and give a brief description of the views of others. That way it won't be original research, it will be compromising yet not in a way that you have concede anything on your information.

Anyway, I'm trying to come to a solution here. reverting certainly isn't going to work, and will only lead to rancour and 1) the page being blocked, or 2) either you, Jayjg (or both of you!) getting blocked for editing for a while! I don't want to see these things happen as I don't feel it's terribly productive or nice. Anyway, let me know your thoughts. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Matrilineality

I have revised this somewhat tendentious piece of writing. Matrilineality is now reasonably POV-free. Any more worries? JFW | T@lk 18:16, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Archiving

Jayjg, I noticed you archived Yasser Arafat, and you do it for your talk page. How do you archive in Wiki? thanks. Terrapin 21:25, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Edit wars

I'll have a look at those pages. But it looks like a pretty tangled edit history; I don't promise that I'll be able to make sense of it... - Mustafaa 23:18, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm delighted, actually. You are to be commended for your dedication to these articles. – Quadell ] 00:39, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Jayjg, you are assisting SlimVirgin in his propaganda campaign against the Schiller Institute by intervening to protect his version of the page. You should leave the administration to someone who is neutral. --14:22, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

10 commandments

I noticed that you removed a claim by an anon as to their being more than 10 commandments. There are 19. If you can't work out why, please read Exodus 34:11-28 CheeseDreams 00:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How does this prove that there were more than "10 commandments"? The text records God as saying " I will inscribe upon the tablets the words that were on the first tablets". In contrast, he tells Moses to "Inscribe these words for yourself, for according to these words I have formed a covenant with you and with Israel". "These words", being the commands he had just been given.--Josiah 00:08, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The commands he had just been given are Exodus 34:11-27; the OTHER 10 commandments.

If you combine all 3 lists, and count the distinct commands, the total comes to 19. CheeseDreams 00:57, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

By the way, the combined list from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy comes to a total of 11. CheeseDreams 00:57, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you include all the commandments and rules in the Torah, aren't there more than 600 commandments or something? Kingal86 23:33, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Al Aqsa Intifada

Hi, please keep an eye of Al Aqsa Intifada, now HistoryBuffEr "twin", User:Alberuni keep inserting missinformation to the page. MathKnight 19:25, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You should see Alberuni's latest additions to the Talk:Al-Aqsa Intifada. Unlike HistoryBuff, he - at least - is willing to discuss his edits, I'll grant him that. But the swearing and flamming attacks by him have gone too far, don't you think? MathKnight 21:20, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"Help me mommy!" --Alberuni 21:26, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know what I was getting in to. :P --Golbez 22:31, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Alleged "misunderstanding" OF Geneva Conv. from "Popular Resistance Committees" tak

What misunderstanding of the Geneva Conventions? Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 states, "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."-Kingal86 23:30, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Answered on Talk: page. Jayjg 23:40, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Another page under attack

Jayjg, could you add the Death of Jeremiah Duggan to your list of pages under attack, in this case by followers of Lyndon LaRouche? It is currently protected. Many thanks, Slim 23:51, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Jayjg. Slim 00:06, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Cultural and Historical Context of Jesus

The page is now unprotected. Cultural and historical background of Jesus I added a good deal of information; CheeseDreams just reverted it. Please compare my version to the previous one (FT2) and comment. Thanks Slrubenstein

Jenin Jenin

You can the article of Jenin to your list of "article under attacks" as well. User:Alberuni deleted some parts of the article (mock funeral, Pals accuse of massacre) and added a Palestinian report submitted to the UN as a "finding by UN commission" to claim that a massacre did occure. Please keep an eye, I've added it to my watchlist. MathKnight 19:15, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This online war

Jay, I had a look at Yasser Arafat, but it's like looking at two completely different articles. I'm sorry to say this, but this Israel/Palestine stuff is not my main focus. I tried turning to it for a few weeks to see if I could help out, but this is beyond me. Again, my best suggestion to either side in a dispute like this is that instead of reverting the other side wholesale, you start from their version and go piece by piece. Frankly, with a bunch of serious POV warriors on both sides, I don't hold out much hope even for that. I'm not saying I won't eventually try to focus here for a while again, but frankly the 2 weeks I spent with this as my primary focus were the worst 2 weeks I spent working on Misplaced Pages, worse by far than dealing with some almost comparably contentious issues in the history of Romania or of the Basques. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:47, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

It's not like I'm doing nothing, but there is almost no one willing to take on this sort of issues with reference to Chile, or Romania, or the Basques, so that's been my main focus. Right now on Romania we are dealing with lots of what seem to me to be conspiracy theories about '89, and I'm having a hard time trying to evaluate Romanian-language sources. It's very frustrating, because unlike Spanish, I'm not even close to fluent. I suspect that in the long run this forum for encyclopedic standards may help solve some of this, so I'm trying to give that some time. And, hey, guess what? I also try to put in at least some time on writing and translating articles, the main reason I got involved with this in the first place. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:00, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

Teasing

In an edit summary, you wrote:

... that's 4 reverts here; will you go for 5, Alberuni?

I regard this as a taunt, which is a form of teasing. If I were interested in "building a case", I would count this against you. More importantly, if YOU are trying to build a case, then it behooves you to re-read Misplaced Pages:avoid personal remarks and adhere to it.

If another user makes more than 3 identical reverts, there are better ways of dealing with this than to taunt them publicly. --user:Ed Poor (talk) 16:29, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

Dr. Zen

All of my opinion of Dr. Zen is based on his votes on Votes for deletion, where he seems to vote delete solely to vote delete. RickK 05:41, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Email

I got your email, thanks. See ]. I blocked all three users for one week. I think that's what the email you sent was regarding. Thanks and happy Thanksgiving, ] 06:11, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Anti-Zionism

Jay, I was the one who removed the headers in the external links section, but it was in error. I was trying to correct some of the links, which appeared to have the final ] missing. When I previewed the edit, the list of links had turned into one long sentence, so I fixed it but forgot to replace the headers. Sorry! I should probably leave this article well alone actually, as I don't know the editing history and what's been agreed. Slim 11:27, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Cultural and historical background of Jesus - Compromise discussion

Jayjg;

Slrubenstein has said he will not further discuss compromise unless others are involved. Would you care to read or comment on Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus#Compromise discussion? - Amgine 20:27, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

User page

I hope you don't mind, but I updated the Rachel Corrie listing to unprotected on your user page. --Viriditas 23:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Jayjg 00:46, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ashkenazi

Could you have a look at my recent comment on Talk:Ashkenazi? I believe that recent edits to the article are, to put it politely, bad. I have added a disputed tag. I would like to make sure that at least a couple of other people agree with me before I revert. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:23, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Black September

As I recall, the last time I edited that page, my material was called a "roach infestation."  :-) Slim 15:50, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Bernard Williams

Thanks for the advice, Jay. When you say a brief intro, do you mean, say, a paragraph summarizing what the rest of the article's going to say, and then after that start the biographical information? Slim 23:18, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Jay, I have re-written the lead for Bernard Williams. If you have any thoughts on the new version, please let me know (but don't worry if you don't have time/inclination). Slim 05:53, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Voted twice?

Well, I voted for the 3RR rule, but also voted to have some of my concerns addressed. Where is Anthony claiming I voted twice and I'll respond accordingly. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:47, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Same here, except I voted against. I take it he views the "would like concerns addressed" as a vote? That's seems an odd interpretation to me. I left a message on Talk about it.

RfC

Hello. HistoryBuffEr has filed an RfC against me. I thought I'd let you know, in case you have any interest in commenting. – Quadell ] 19:22, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Williams

Thank you, Jay!

Request for Arbitration

I have just noted, by chance, that CheeseDreams has brought a case against you, me and others for Arbitration. Given that I only found out by chance rather than notification, I thought I would let you know in case you would like to comment on WP:RFAR. jguk 22:54, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I saw your note at RfAr and came here to let you know, but jguk's beaten me. Based on my conversations with CD, it's a case filed by him/her against all the users named in that list. But I admit it's presented in a disorienting fashion, at least for me, and I am a little confused about who is making what comments. Jwrosenzweig 23:01, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't think the RfAr is ath to worry about. Since you seem to be involved, would you be interested in signing Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams#Users_certifying_the_basis_for_this_dispute? --] 23:12, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

it is a matter of perspective.

First, thanks for the message on my page. I appreciate it, and mean no disrespect at all. You suggest I misunderstand. Well, that may be the case. However, I prefer to see it not as me doing the misunderstanding, but someone else doing the misleading. When things are cleared up ON the RFA page, I am sure my misunderstanding will clear up as well. Slrubenstein

HistoryBuffEr is violating arbitration procedures

See my comments on Fred Bauder's talk page. This is very serious, as we will now have to analyze every single edit in the arbitration history page. --Viriditas 08:58, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/GeneralPatton

Hi, on my Requests for adminship, User:Fastfission has suggested that I’m sympathetic to Holocaust deniers, since you know my work on the David Irving article maybe you could comment on that, what I consider a tasteless assertion. GeneralPatton 06:08, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Blocking of HistoryBuffEr

Greetings. HistoryBuffEr has violated the 3RR (again), and I have just blocked him. I left a detailed note on his talk page here explaining my action.

The last time I blocked him, he was very upset. I was mistaken in my time frame in that instance, thinking he had reverted four times in 24 hours when he had only reverted four times in 26 hours, and I had to back down and apologize. Still, he launched an invalid RfC against me, which was, in my opinion, an attempt to punish me. He then disendorsed many of the Arbitor candidates who endorsed my summary on the RfC, which seemed to me as a way of punishing them as well.

I am quite sure the blocking this time was appropriate – I dotted all my i's and crossed all my t's. But I suspect he will be no less upset. I'm asking you to keep an eye on the situation. If he acts in a vindictive way, I ask that you support me, if you feel this is deserved. – Quadell ] 16:56, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Deletion of Warsaw Ghetto link from Israeli West Bank Barrier

Hello Jayjg. I want to thank you for a little moral lesson. Innocently enough (at the time), I placed a link to "Warsaw Ghetto" on the IWBB page, thinking it might have some relevance. I intended to add The "Great Wall of China", "Berlin Wall", etc. Well, soon enough I discovered that you had deleted it as "spurious and inflammatory". Well, that just made me mad. How could a mere link be inflammatory? But rather than go back and add the link again, I sat down and had a long think, and re-read a lot of the talk page and the article itself. As I thought about it I had to wonder why I chose "Warsaw Ghetto" as the first link to place. To my regret, I have realized that I was attempting to inject my own feelings on the subject, or at least suggest an ironic twist, and for that I am very sorry. With all the infighting going on with this subject, I realize it IS inflammatory, and what the hell was I up to anyway? I was dismayed to read all the discussion of "wall" versus "barrier" which seemed so petty to me, but I have begun to realize just how valuable the talk can be, and yes, there does need to be a consensus which is truly NPOV. In any case, I appreciate your efforts, and I especially thank you for a personal re-alignment of what Misplaced Pages is attempting to achieve. Thank you. jimaginator

Request for assistance

Hello again. HistoryBuffer is under a 24 hour block for violating the 3RR. He has continued to edit while not logged on, signing his name to these edits.

According to User:UninvitedCompany: "The usual procedure regarding blocks in general in the past, has been that evading the block results in: the time period for the block beginning anew, any contributions made in evasion of the block being reverted, blocking any IPs used to evade the block, blocking any new identities used to evade the block."

HistoryBuffEr has now filed a Request for Arbitration against me, while still under this block. I feel it would be inappropriate of me to roll back this change, since it involves me, but I would appreciate it if another sysop would do this for me.

Thanks, – Quadell ] 21:27, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Update: Someone else already did this. Thanks anyway! – Quadell ] 21:44, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr

I absolutely agree that what he's done is unwarranted, however let me investigate further. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:15, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

According to HistoryBuffEr you didn't agree with the block we placed on him. See my talk page for details. Is this correct? - Ta bu shi da yu 07:39, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A request of sorts

Look, I know we've had a lot of issue between us in the past, and I suppose you probably think I'm some kind of asshole, but I assure you I only acted the way I did because I genuinely believe you are a POV warrior. Maybe you don't even realise it, I don't know. Anyhow, my accusations about you being a rogue admin were probably out of line, because I only really noticed you do anything improprietous once or twice, and that was right after you became and admin. What I guess I'm try to say is... why don't we bury the hatchet, be civil to each other? I'm not saying I'm not going to revert you if I think you're POV-warring; I'm just saying that I don't hate you, I don't have a "vendetta" against you, and I don't think we should be "enemies". What do you think? BLANKFAZE | (что??) 05:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Blankfaze. I'm all for burying hatchets, but based on your response on your Talk: page, I'm a bit mystified. If you can't guarantee you're going to stop calling me a POV warrior, and getting in various digs on un-related pages, then how exactly will your behaviour differ? And what specific change would you like to see in my behaviour to indicate that the hatchet is buried? I don't hate you, and I certainly intend to be civil to you, if that's what you're looking for. Jayjg 17:21, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)