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Assorted links for reference purposes

• Waitangi Tribunal - principles.

Linked page fault?

The linked page contains some JavaScript that replaces the page with some kind of advertisement if one doesn't have a certain plugin installed. It's rather annoying. (To read the treaty, disable scripting in your browser.) --Brion 06:48 Jan 16, 2003 (UTC)

Treaty of Waitangi browser crash

Moved from Misplaced Pages:Village pump on Thursday, July 10th, 02003.

The Treaty of Waitangi article crashes my browser! (Mozilla 1.4, Linux). This must be a browser bug of course, but is there anything illegal in the article? Maybe it's the image? 81.86.233.209 07:17 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it's the image: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=image:treatyofwaitangi.jpg

In another tool I get a warning: Corrupt JPEG data: premature end of data segment 81.86.233.209 07:35 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I fixed Mozilla by recompiling with different options. The precompiled versions should be OK 81.86.233.209 18:29 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Controversial material - links

The description of the Littlewood Treaty link should reflect the NPOV policy, even though the website it points to is not NPOV. I think "argument" or even "claims" is a fairer representation of the Littlewood website than "evidence". It's not controversial that there are similarities between the Littlewood text and the official Maori version, however, it is not widely accepted as to why they are similar. The site argues that the Treaty is a fraud proven by the Littlewood document - that's definitely controversial. Tirana 09:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I've also moved the section on the "grievance industry" to the Claims section, as it relates primarily to Treaty claims rather than the Treaty today. I don't think the newspaper article links are particularly helpful, as either examples of what the original author intended or as general resources - perhaps a political party's website on its Treaty policy might be an alternative as a source for the issues. I've taken reference to the Lake Taupo issue out of the Treaty of Waitangi article because it's nothing to do with Treaty claims or rights. It's to do with what the rights of the owner of the lakebed (Ngati Tuwharetoa, thanks to a government grant in 1992) are to restrict use of the space above it, under general law. Instead I've summarised the issues of debate in what I hope is a more NPOV tone. Tirana 05:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Principles of Treaty of Waitangi were largely ignored?

That is more opinionated, because no source says that it is "largely ignored". --inky 08:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's wrong to say that "no source" says so - I've seen some that do, but to include references along those lines and refer to specific violations. --MacRusgail 19:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Treaty of Waitangi Audio Visual 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 of 7

A result of a personal project that was started in 2005 while a student at Waikato University in the School and Māori and Pacific Development and a student in Te Wananga o Aotearoa as a year one and two Ata Reo student. The process started with a programme that turns text into audio. First the book was scanned in to the computer and optical character recognition (OCR) was used to ready the text for it to be turned into MP3 files. These files in audio form were loaded into Movie maker (a free programme found in the start menue under accessory in the microsoft opperating system.) Note the text to audio programme was not trained to pronounce Māori words and greatly weakens this word as it needs to be reworked with better pronunciation. The pictures were scanned into the computer next and imported into movie maker and lined up to match the audio visual commentary. Text was added to the beginning and end of the audio visual segments and saved as one file. This file was not used for 12 months until www.youtube.com was read about on a BBC news artical. The file was broken up into 7 segments of approx. ten minutes long and words were added to beginning and end. A group was started in a person page in Youtube and the seven video's were uploaded on to that site. TPK was informed of the work at this stage and though was given to contact the Turnbull library for copy right matters to do with the images. This work is in progress and has taken another step today now that this link to wikipedia has been made. Next the link between youtube and wikipedia was made on 28 October 2006 after reading http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia. The idea to develope the use of the process outlined to help in the wikipedia needed an example of it worked in principle and so linking off the wikipedia page on Treaty of Waitangi become a great way to work both together as a scientific project. I have seen the Treaty of Waitangi Road show in Rotorua, a truck that travels New Zealand and stops in parks and sports grounds and unloads an audio visual presentation display. The book that I used for my project is featured in the hand outs of presentation. As a part treasurer of my local Kohanga Reo I am passionate to see the languge of Māori developed as the offical mother tounge of Aotearoa. I have offered this project as part of this. At a recent launch of a Te Reo strategy by the Iwi Raukawa I took a video of the launch and it was after that night that I put my work onto youtube. The process took both Saturday and Sunday but I feel it was in the true spirit of what was being asked and offered by Raukawa. It was a labour of love. Now this process has moved one step further along now that the world can read and hear the story of the greatest navigating people's on the planet which is on a scientific level with the apolo missions of NASA. If you have any questions please email me on young.roderick@gmail.com.RoddyYoung 18:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I think a link to the text might be more useful than to a text-to-speech rendering. The value of the spoken Misplaced Pages is that it provides a high quality human rendering of articles, which may be useful for blind users' of Misplaced Pages, or for people who want to practice listening to spoken English. Blind users already have text to speech software available, and it's much more efficient for them to use their own software with text than to download much larger video/audio files.- gadfium 01:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

If there was ever a place to give some voice to text it is here. To take off that material and mute it makes me feel frustrated. The power of delete is to easly used in wikipedia. Do you know I sent people to this site and because of your delete you have preventing them interacting. Yes I would have loved to had a very good reader spell out the text but that will come. I am going to revert your doings by moving them to a site that they refer to and then link of this site. Thank you for your constructive criticism. Blind people will have to follow that link now to hear anything.RoddyYoung 09:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The changes have been made. I am supprised that any different presentation of the official information could be seen as not up to standard. I have reposted the videos on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia#Audio_Visual_links The irony is if the links are removed on the Treaty of Waitangi also then where would be a home for this in wikipedia? I ask that you revert back so the links are within the Treaty of Waitangi page please.RoddyYoung 10:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you have the copyright to the work in question? If not, then the material is in breach of copyright, and we do not knowingly link to breaches of copyright. If you do have the copyright, then linking to the text and pictures would be about one hundred times more useful than linking to a robotic voice reading the text. Everyone would benefit, including blind people who would have much lower bandwidth requirements to download the material and would hear much the same result.- gadfium 18:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You make good points, both of them, and both questions are being addressed as I write this. The blind would not see the pictures and so using text to speech software on a personal computer from a download of the .rtf or .doc file would give the same voice recognition. I will look at gutenburg to see if I can find the text. The deaf also would see the pictures and be able to read the text from the book but are barred due to the limits of books getting to remote parts of the planet for cost effective reasons but deaf would get a much better comprehension of a book than looking at a montage of images and not being able to hear the words. However 98 percent of people would listen to a tv ad but would not read an article after the headlines in a news paper. The reason from making the video book was to let a lecturer who is involved in research and education to show the material to a class of hundereds and let individuals create the synergy from the meanings for historical fact and go on to research in new areas after gaining a new insight to a true history of a nation. I am using this material for an educative purpose in a non commerical way. When I have more information for you I will post it. RoddyYoung 18:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The information in the video's is feely online at http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/ here You will fine it in pdf format no .rtf or .doc format RoddyYoung 19:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that text to speech software works with PDF files. I don't see how talking about deaf people helps your case, as deaf people will find the PDF files much more useful that the text to speech version. People at remote parts of the planet will also find the PDF files more useful, because they are a much smaller download that the video. While it is true that many people will listen rather than read, I suspect that very few will listen to a robotic voice by preference.

You have not addressed the copyright question, except that you say earlier that "though was given to contact the Turnbull library for copy right matters to do with the images". Does this mean that you do not currently have written permission to distribute the material?- gadfium 19:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)