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Template:Episode list

It isn't showing up right in IE right now. It has a little |- style="" kind of floating at the top, that's all. - Peregrinefisher 04:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The template page or how it appears in lists? If it's Template:Episode list itself, then that's normal. It's a temp fix to help with the weird template limit problem. The full example is available on the talk page, anyways. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It's on the Template:Episode list itself. If wer're in a transitional stage that's cool. What is this transition that's being made? - Peregrinefisher 05:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The template has a limit of how many times it can be used in an article, and simplifying the template will push back the limit. Like I said, this is a temp fix till I can figure out a way to make the template itself be more efficient. It won't actually effect any of the articles that use the template. -- Ned Scott 05:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Digimon fair use images on Digimon Episode template

http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:FUC

I removed the images on the Template because just recently I heard that we can't use alot of fair use images on episode lists.

I had a problem with the Pokemon episode lists for the same reason, if you don't agree with me please goto the ANI http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_war_over_too_many_fair_use_images_on_one_page

I'm sorry

http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Digimon_episode

(Yugigx60 18:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC))

I know about the debate, and I've been involved in several similar debates in the last few months. So far it has been inconclusive and no consensus reached on whether or not the images in a list of episodes meet WP:FUC or not.

On another note, {{Digimon episode}} has actually been replaced (just not in all the articles) with {{Japanese episode list}}, which was also made from the Digimon template but for use in any anime episode list. It's a lot more flexible, too, and can be used with or without images. -- Ned Scott 21:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost: Featured article

		The Lost WikiProject Award
		Congratulations on Lost (TV series) making it to main page featured article. Your hard work on the Lost WikiProject is appreciated! --Elonka 00:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Assessments

Thanks! However many of Dark Shikari Bot's recent additions have been Naruto stubs of which there are hundreds. I thought I was finished :( --Squilibob 07:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Naruto Episodes

What are you doing destroying all the episodes? There was a Keep vote rendered for them all under the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Naruto Episodes. shadzar|Talk|contribs 04:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I read the AfD discussion before I started. A "keep" does not protect the articles from being merged into another article. This is being done per Misplaced Pages:Centralized discussion/Television episodes as well as WP:NOT#Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information part 7, the latter is a policy. I'm sorry the AfD didn't get the attention it needed to be a useful discussion. Also, there were a few keep votes that noted merging as an acceptable option. -- Ned Scott 04:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

And it's not a vote.. -- Ned Scott 04:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the merge was in respect to the spidoes themselves being merged and shortened with each other, not eliminating them all together to just a simple itemized list. The WP:NOT arguement was made and mentioned MANY other episode summaries that existed. I am just trying to figure out why all the info is being eliminated rather than waiting for each episode to have a "short summary" added fromt hem to the episode list itself if that is what should be done... shadzar|Talk|contribs 04:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to be selective and only redirecting articles with little to no content. In other words, episode articles that already have a summary that says about the same thing in the list article. This is not elimination, and turning them back into full articles is always an option. The idea is to promote growth on the list article first, then expand to individual episode articles. Although, it should be noted (as I am on the remaining episode articles) that such articles should be written to WP:WAF and WP:FICT guidelines. -- Ned Scott 04:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

So basically, no meaningful content is being lost in this process. -- Ned Scott 04:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Once there's enough independently verifiable information included about individual episodes, spin the information from episodes out into their own articles. is stated in the Misplaced Pages:Centralized discussion/Television episodes so i am unsure still wy to delete them? Trying to learn about Misplaced Pages here not faulting you for your actions, jsut trying to understand them myself. If it is because they are not expanded, that is what is trying to be done as the episodes come out from verifiable sources such as their DVD releases. Thanks for your help in understanding this all. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You are correct in that statement, and if you note I am merging only articles which do not say anything more than what is already included in the list of episodes. Some of them say nothing more than "this is an episode" and then have several large templates that don't actually count as article content. Others have maybe two or three sentences. So I am following the centralized discussion's guidelines. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

So for my sake at least, when the episodes are released or televised in North America so that there is verifiable content to include as per the Centralized thingy, how would one go about "unmerging" them back to repair? I recently noticed a "move" tab in my page functions. Is this what would be needed to put the article back and add its proper summary? Again thanks for the help cause I feel like I am always getting lost in help pages trying to find my way around to contribute to Misplaced Pages. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

When the redirect takes you back to the list of episodes it says (redirected from .....) under the title. Click on that link again and it will show you the article without redirecting it. Then you can edit it and remove the redirect line and replace it with article content. -- Ned Scott 05:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Sorry for taking up your time. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

nedbot

hello, I was looking at your nedbot and I thought the button was a linked image. I tried to right click to bring up the image but clicked the button. I don't have admin status (obviously) and so the bot was unaffected. I don't know if such attempts are logged though so I wanted to drop a line and let you know it was accidental. Naufana : 07:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they're logged, so unless you're an admin it won't do anything at all ;) -- Ned Scott 08:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use in portals

I created an amendment for fair use in portals, as well as submitted to village pump, see here: Misplaced Pages:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals#Also. It would be great if you could express your support there. ddcc 21:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser request

I made a request you may be interested in. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

oro valley article.

Removing original message because it was long, insane, and already posted to Talk:Oro Valley, Arizona where I've responded to it. original message and then my response. -- Ned Scott 08:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Image Fair Use

Sorry about adding quite a few fair use image onto non-article pages. I didn't realise that they weren't allowed on these pages.

Is there any images that we can use on the My Chemical Romance WikiProject page and template within the fair use guidelines?--Lotrgamemast 18:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You can always create a new image that clearly refers to the band. for the Pittsburgh Wikiproject, I made a new image that is a minor part of the Steelers logo. Just find a simple, small, iconic image. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries, I made the same mistake myself when I started out on Misplaced Pages. -- Ned Scott 07:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Check Please?

Ned, do you think you8 could do me a favor an pop over to the Because I'm the Goddess article at some point to check for formatting issues and categorization? Michael Hopcroft 19:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for that RPA template on Somerset219's Talk page. I didn't want to respond because I said I would not pursue the discussion further, and because I suspected there was no way for me to elicit civility at that point. But that was the harshest bit of name-calling I've received on WP to date. I'm glad to know now what to do if something like that happens again - and it's good to see those words go away without my engaging this person again. I really appreciate it! Karen | Talk | contribs 06:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

What's up?

Please tell me what you think is wrong about WP:DDV. Do you think it was made in violation of our process to make guidelines? Do you think Misplaced Pages does use (majority) voting on a regular basis? Please don't cite only RFA, which seems to be the exception rather than the rule, and whose process is already under dispute elsewhere. Do you think Misplaced Pages should use (majority) voting on a regular basis? Is AFD a (majority) vote? What about RFC? Should disputes be resolved through straw polling? Should people be able to make a motion, call an aye/nay vote on it and have it stick? Please explain your opinion. >Radiant< 10:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:DDV

Feel free to comment on the page at Misplaced Pages talk:Discuss, don't vote. The more people who are commenting on its status or its future text, the sooner this outstanding issue will get resolved one way or another. — Saxifrage ✎ 19:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Ned Scott, thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was a robust 62/1/1, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any questions about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Samurai Champloo

I don't feel strongly about modifying the Samurai Champloo episode pages. If they are left as they are, they still meet our needs. I'm a big fan of the wikiproject templates, though; I like to standardize the LOE pages as much as possible. It was funny when you gave a B to List of Scrapped Princess episodes (which I worked on), you said "dang, at this rate it will be a B before I go to bed :)," which was amusing. Anyways, List of Outlaw Star episodes needs to be evaluated again. Thanks, Peregrinefisher 07:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Shortcut

Please don't take a shortcut used to link to one page for another page. Notably, I've used WP:EPISODE on the Mailing list as well as on my userpage. -- Chris chat edits essays 17:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Our little disagreement

I noticed your little "slip-up", and I would like to apologize if it seems I am showing you any aggression. I have no problem with you as a person or an editor. I think you and I are both mature enough to handle our disagreement like gentlemen. I think we've each made our points known and we can let the others decide at this point, since I doubt the decision will be made based on which one of gets the last word. So, I hope you and I won't have to continue arguing. Jay32183 04:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It's mostly my fault, and I very much apologies. You stated how you honestly felt and I wasn't being very respectful. -- Ned Scott 04:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Heads up on RfC

Per your suggestion, I started this: Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#Request_for_proposals_on_Threshold_of_High_Resolution--Fahrenheit451 03:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

SPA

You may want to read Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lostpedia (second nomination) and then look at there contribs, that anon is a sysop at that wiki and is only casting his opinion as delete as bad faith because i am against inclusion of a spam article. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 07:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Removal of exclamation points in Super Android 13

I don't think WP:NC would apply here, as it's not the title of the article he was changing. The original title of the episode has the exclamation points in them, and they shouldn't have been removed without a valid reason. --Coredesat 04:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The title being used in the infobox is the most recognized title, the English dub by Funimation. I'm not a fan of the show, but I do know that much. As I pointed out in one of my edit summaries, part of the problem here is that we are using a template that is not set up for these kinds of situations. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, wait, I misunderstood something. The issue he was causing was that in the first sentence of the article (where the Japanese title was, not in the infobox), he was removing the exclamation points from the translated title. Other editors re-added them, and he reverted them as vandalism. That'd be a 3RR violation. --Coredesat 05:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see... seems I overlooked that since both edits were going on at the same time.. I stand corrected. -- Ned Scott 06:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost episode guidelines

Regarding your recent attempted change to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines, please keep in mind that those guidelines were the result of extensive discussion, as well as a formal mediation which resulted in unanimous agreement. It is not appropriate to simply come in and make a major change to those guidelines, especially without even an attempt at discussion on the talkpage. If you have concerns, you are encouraged to bring them up, but in the meantime, please respect the consensus decision. --Elonka 16:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh, the mediation didn't result in any naming conventions to be used. In any case, it still doesn't override the consensus of WP:TV-NAME. -- Ned Scott 21:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The episode guidelines were discussed in the mediation, and approved. They've also been reconfirmed at the guideline talk page. If you have concerns, please bring them up there. --Elonka 21:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The article naming was not apart of the mediation. -- Ned Scott 21:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop engaging in move wars. The proper way to handle this is via civil discussion, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines, not in yanking articles back and forth. --Elonka 08:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs help

I see you edit the seperate Digimon episode pages alot. But recently the Pokemon episode(s) articles are being considered for deletion in accordance with Misplaced Pages's deletion policy. Please place a vote at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Here Comes the Squirtle Squad. Thank you for your time. Pokeant (00:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

I did already. Personally, I'd be happy if they were all deleted, although I did support a merge. -- Ned Scott 03:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images in lists

Hello, I see you have contributed your thoughts to Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. It's been dead for a while, but I have archived it and taken a new fresh start. I hope this time we will be able to achieve something as I have summarized the main points of both sides (feel free to improve them) and I call you to express your support or oppose on the concrete proposal that I have formulated. Thanks, Renata 02:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Ned, I am concerned about some of your recent edit summaries, especially where you are using a very angry tone, including profanity. . Can I please encourage you to re-read WP:CIVIL? --Elonka 09:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how this concerns you at all. Considering we are both in a dispute at the moment I find it in very bad taste that you are looking through my contributions to find something to correct me about. It's considered wikistalking and harassment. (If it were not for our dispute I wouldn't have a reason to assume bad faith here, but, as they say, if the shoe fits.. ) -- Ned Scott 19:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Ned, I believe that you have been uncivil in most of your exchanges with me, in the form of condescension and snarkiness. I suggest that you knock it off and adhere to the WP:CIVIL policy. By treating others in an uncivil manner, you are inviting them to treat you likewise. --Fahrenheit451 21:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm not perfect and I can lose my cool sometimes, but I don't believe I have been uncivil to you. I believe this is the comment (as the only comment I can see as being "uncivil" between us) that you are talking about: "Common misconception. You've been caught with your pants down, as you so obviously misunderstood the real definition of resolution. You're embarrassed, I understand, but get over it."

Granted I probably could have put that a better way, but there's only so many ways a person can repeat themselves. You're almost to the point of causing a distribution over this issue, and I felt it necessary to be a little bit harsh in my words (if you can even call that harsh) in order to make it clear what the situation is. You, not the fair use guidelines, are mistaken. -- Ned Scott 01:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Ned, you continue to be critical, but on NO occasion have you offered a definition of "resolution". Again, knock off the make wrong and be civil.--Fahrenheit451 03:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I gave you four definitions. Again, I have not been uncivil with you, so please stop with the false accusations. -- Ned Scott 03:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You really need to cool down Ned, you make valuable edits but recently some of your edits (namely to WikiProjects -- without a consensus) have been very rude. I ask you to cool down and stop making significant changes to projects and "their" children pages and come to the discussion board to get a consensus. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You need to AGF and secondly I never said any thing specificly about the 4400, I amt alking about WikiProjects as a whole, thirdly please read WP:CIVIL. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What do I need to assume good faith on? You're making false accusations in hopes of making me look bad. Do you have anything, at all, to back up these claims? Do you understand that consensus is used for disputes, and not for every decision making process on Misplaced Pages? My talk page is not a place to vent your frustrations. -- Ned Scott 08:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I should make this clearer, consensus seeking discussions are mostly used in cases such as disputes or where greater opinion is necessary, etc. -- Ned Scott 21:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost episode page names

Hi, Ned. As it happens, I had already seen that RfA and was getting ready to post when I got your comment. Thanks for letting me know, anyway. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Template WikiFur and Wookieepedia

I don't think you're following my point: Misplaced Pages policy is that external wikis aren't reliable sources for articles. Now, you say that if we use their content, we have to source them in some way, per the GFDL. I agree. But there's no case where we COULD do that. I.E., say that CNN does an interview and it's so good that we want to quote a transcript of the interview from their site. In that case, we're just using their content, as a raw material, to directly quote it. Well, if we directly quote CNN for educational purposes, that's fair use, regardless. The same applies to WikiFur's GFDL license. And even if Fair Use didn't exist, there's no conceivable reason we'd use their content on Misplaced Pages, other than to just write an article. And articles written in such a manner aren't reliable. We can't have wikis sourced in other wikis sourced in other wikis, and so on. Robocracy 06:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent or not

The page is over a 100k and number of users and at least one admin asked for it. How can you make such drastic and radical reverts without discussing it first? Not very civil.--Eupator 13:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Whoa, calm down there man. This had nothing to do with being civil, just that I noticed that discussion from the previous day was even archived, which is generally not acceptable for talk page archives. It seems there's a hell of a lot of disputes on that talk page, and I'm guessing you think I'm somehow apart of that. Sorry for the confusion, but I was only passing by and thought someone had archived too much (a common mistake that most people do not get upset about like this). I don't want to be any part of those disputes, so I'm gonna stay the hell away from that talk page. I mean, I made a good faith revert on there and you come to my talk page acting like this? Yeesh. -- Ned Scott 19:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

signature

The way I read that is you cant use a template for a signature not that you cant have a tempalate in your signature. Am I reading it wrong? -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  | 06:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You can't use templates in your signature because you're not supposed to used templates in your signature. "because the developers have determined them to be an unnecessary drain on the servers", "Transcluded signatures require extra processing—whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be re-cached." -- Ned Scott 06:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Not that I'm offended by it or anything like that :) but I thought I might bring this to your attention. -- Ned Scott 07:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nihongo

The presence of this template is hardly necessary in the list articles; it is already at the main page, formatted incorrectly, and is irrelevant. Furthermore, I also corrected grammatical errors. Please don't revert me again. 65.29.167.251 06:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)