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Jason Mraz

I removed the mention of Jason Mraz because it seems superfluous in an article about Jewel. I quote it here for convenience:

...the same establishment that famous pop singer Jason Mraz would frequently play at a few years down the road.

I'm sure a lot of people have played at Java Joe's but I don't think it is appropriate to list them here. Furthermore, calling someone famous is generally not very encylopedial, and how frequently is 'frequently'?Mumby 23:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Her Grandfather

There was a TV show called Pop-up video that would show music videos accompanied by facts about the artist. During an episode in which they were showing the video for "Who Will Save Your Soul," a blurb explained that Jewel was from Alaska and her grandfather helped draft portions of its constitution. Is there any truth to this, especially since it says here that her parents were Swiss-born?

Reply: Jewel's Grandfather Yule Kilcher is probably deserving of his own Misplaced Pages entry if anyone cares to draft one. It was he that was born in Switzerland and emigrated to Alaska as a homesteader.

"Kilcher was among the delegates to Alaska's pre-statehood constitutional convention in 1955-56, and he served in the state Senate from 1963-67 before returning to Homer."

Source: http://www.alaska.edu/creatingalaska/convention/delegates/kilcher.xml

Jewel is not LDS

Jewel mentioned that she and her father used to attend an LDS church, but stopped attending just before she turned 8 (when her father was excommunicated). Since they stopped attending before she turned 8, it's unlikely that she was even baptized, which gives one official membership in the church. Since she (probably) wasn't baptized, she isn't an official member of the church and I don't think she'd characterize herself as "Mormon."

As much as I'd love it if she were LDS, I don't think we can call her one just because she used to attend an LDS church as a child, for a while. Currently, she doesn't even act very LDS. Unless we have some verifiable proof that she is LDS, we should remove her from the Notable Latter Day Saints category. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:23, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Well, if that's the case then by all means do so. I was obviously in error. - Gilgamesh 19:20, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Move to Jewel Kilcher?

A number of articles about singers who go by their first names have been disambiguated by adding their last name, such as Dido Armstrong and Sade Adu. Should this article be moved to simply Jewel Kilcher and the links and disambiguation page updated, and this page made a redirect? Derrick Coetzee 00:03, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't know of any specific policy for this, but I vote to keep it as is. Most people don't even know her last name and will link to ] and ] will be easier for them to disam than Jewel Kilcher. I don't think she's ever gone by that professionally even though that may be her full legal name. Just my $.02... — Frecklefoot | Talk 05:22, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

KelisFan2K5 moved this page to Jewel Kilcher, but I don't think he/she read this discussion. I moved it back to ]. Please, if you want to move this page, discuss it here first. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:47, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think that this page should be moved to Jewel Kilcher. After all, nobody calls her Jewel (singer) and Jewel is just short for Jewel Kilcher, rather than being a pseudonym. It would be a nicer sort of disambiguation. There is a singer called Jewell credited on 1992 gangsta rap album The Chronic. There would be less confusion between Jewell and Jewel Kilcher. Tim Ivorson 08:46, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. Jewel links to the disambiguation page. There, whoever is looking for Jewel the singer will immediately see Jewel (singer) and know that is the link they want. If we put in Jewel Kilcher, it isn't immediately obvious that she is the singer that they are looking for.

No, no one claims that people call her "Jewel (singer)", but no one calls her "Jewel Kilcher" either. Appending a person's reason for noteriety is the normal way we disambiguate articles with similar names. Besides, Jewel Kilcher redirects to this article if someone decides to use that name in an article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:28, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

The text of the disambiguation page needn't change, if that wouldn't improve it.

I didn't mean to say that somebody claims that somebody calls her Jewel (singer). I meant that somebody calls her Jewel Kilcher. If that's not the case, then I withdraw my objection. When I made my comment, I thought of the suggestion only to disambiguate where really necessary (Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Music#Albums, bands, and songs). I thought that moving the page to Jewel Kilcher would make disambiguation unnecessary now and if there are ever other articles about singers called Jewel. Tim Ivorson 09:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If another singer ever comes along called "Jewel," we can deal with it then. For now, I think the name of the article should stand as is. If course this is just MHO. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:09, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

OK. Tim Ivorson 08:28, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

From Utah?

Should Jewel really be in the Category:People from Utah? She was born there, but the article states she spent most of her life in Alaska. Shouldn't she be listed in Category:People from Alaska instead? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:40, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

I changed her cat to Alaska. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:12, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Can you change it back? We don't really want her and it's not very true; she wasn't born here and she went to high school in Michigan. She's as much Alaskan as she is a Michigander (or a Mormon, for that matter). 209.193.57.21 07:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't expect a response to a comment that's 13 months old. Deco 07:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

NPOV/sources

A lot of this is a bit opinionated, for instance "It's an innovative album that is smart, fun, and sexy. It also contains heartfelt lyrics about love..."

Also, there's not a single reference for any of the stuff written here. --Foofy 19:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

so how does everyone like the new single "again and again"

i personally think she getting back to peices of you and im so happy, i love the new material and i hope everyone else does too!

I think this album is really goning to sell because shes turned to her true spirit again.

Personal Life?

a section on her personal life is noticeably absent. Streamless 14:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The move again

In retrospect, the move to Jewel Kilcher seems like a pretty terrible idea. When you say Jewel (singer), I know exactly who you mean. When you say Jewel Kilcher, I (and anyone else who isn't a diehard fan) thinks, "who's that?" Isn't that a good enough reason to move it back to the original title? We might as well have Madonna at Madonna Ciccone. Deco 19:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Probably about 99.9% of her fans have no idea what her last name is. Since she is most widely known simply as "Jewel" and is a singer, it should be moved back to its original location. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I decided to be bold and do it. It appears that whoever did the last move didn't fix redirects, so the effort was minimal. Deco 02:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Country music?

I haven't been able to find out, is Jewel country now? Her video is at CMT.com and playing on the channel but I haven't heard her song on country radio. If she is, we should add country to her list of genres at the top of the page. --Chuckos 16:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hard to say. Some of her songs were in a sort of country style, like "Love Me But Leave Me Alone", but I'd be hard pressed to label her a country artist unless she's done tracks I don't know about. Deco 20:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Acclaim for 'This Way'

Is 'This Way' really

...her most critically acclaimed album to date...

Can anybody give references for this, I can't remember any critics putting 'This Way' above 'Pieces of you' or 'Spirit'.Mumby 10:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, It was. After the meda blitz for Pieces of You & Spirit died down, she took a 2 year break, and everyone was anticipating her 3rd album. Thus, when it was released, it recieved alot of attention and is known as "her most critically acclaimed album to date". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.10 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 28 October 2006.

Highly anticipated and critically acclaimed are not the same thing though. I would be happy to agree with you if you can provide references. Oh, and please read this Misplaced Pages:Sign your posts on talk pages, it will help us figure out who is who on these talk pages.Mumby 18:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I know. But what i'm saying is the anticipation led to being critically acclaimed. I've seen it on a couple of sites and interviews dealing with Jewel. When I come across some refrences, Ill post them here.

& I have no idea how to "sign" this.

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