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Part of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution
Ultimately, the content of Misplaced Pages is determined by making progress toward a community consensus. However, the size of Misplaced Pages prevents community members from actively following every development. As a result, sometimes it's useful to request broader opinions from the rest of the community.
This page is a way that anyone can request other wiki-ists to help them resolve difficulties and disputes in articles or talk pages. Anyone may visit any of these articles, to help them reach agreement. A good quality RFC can help contributors resolve differences, add different insights, give comments and opinions how others might see some wording, and so on.
It will help the RFC process if everyone who lists something on this page tries to help out at least one other page listed here.
Overview
When to use RFC
- RFC is appropriate when you want other wiki-ists to visit the page, to allow a consensus or a better quality of decision, to help resolve a dispute or break a deadlock.
- If you simply want peer review of an article, then list it at Misplaced Pages:Peer review.
- If the dispute involves allegations that a user has engaged in serious violations of Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, create a subpage for the dispute. Use the subpage to elaborate on the allegations.
How to use RFC
- To request other users to comment on an issue, add a link to the Talk page for the article, a brief neutral statement of the issue, and the date.
- Don't sign it, don't list the details, and don't submit arguments or assign blame.
- On the Talk page of the article, it can help to summarize the dispute.
General hints for dispute resolution
- Whatever the nature of the dispute, the first resort should always be to discuss the problem with the other user. Try to resolve the dispute on your own first.
- For disputes over user conduct, before requesting community comment, please wait until at least two people have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and failed to resolve the problem.
- Don't forget to follow Wikiquette. Wikiquette is more important in resolving a dispute, not less.
Article content disputes
Please only list links to talk pages where two or more participants cannot reach consensus and are thus stalling progress on the article. Discussions with no new comments in over two weeks old may have dried up, in which case please talk to the people involved to determine whether the problem was resolved.
Items listed on this page may be removed if you fail to try basic methods of dispute resolution.
- List newer entries on top — do not sign entries.
- Talk:Charles Darwin - User:Vfp15 insists on adding coincidence that Darwin and Lincoln were born on the same day into article. Many others find this sort of coincidence non-notable. User:Vfp15 has now reinserted it into article over 15 times, has been removed again by probably six or seven editors. Would appreciate it if others would give input as to 1. germaneness of addition, 2. behavior of user.
- Talk:Clitoris - After a poll and months of discussion we're still undergoing revert wars over the suitability of the current picture, or whether an inline picture should be included at all.
- Talk:Bash.org - Does the fork of bash called "QDB.us" deserve mention in the article? What about open source clone "Rash QMS"?
- Talk:Free market#Trying to avoid a formal dispute - are there "free or ideal markets" in the underground economy?
- Talk:Kenneth Bigley - Should articles about the hostages in Iraq who have been beheaded include links to the videos showing their deaths?
- Historicity of Jesus. Dispute over whether the section entitled "The Pauline Epistles" that are not directly related to the Historicity of Jesus should be in the article.
- Talk:Tucson, Arizona#VOTE HERE - You can vote between two versions that differ on where the indigenous name for the city should be, or you can edit or propose something new. We've laid it all out for you and made it sooo easy. Voting will only take a minute, please come by!
- Talk:Current events - is 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy an "ongoing event"? is the "electoral college casts it's votes" newsworthiness enough to merit inclusion on current events page? is "amid protests & legal challenges, ohio casts its electoral votes", more aptly "election controversy" or just plain "election"?
- Talk:Empire of Atlantium - Discussion concerning the wording of a single sentence.
- Talk:List of words having different meanings in British and American English#Syrup - Discussion surrounding 'syrup'
- Talk:Red Ensign - should the article mention the use of the Canadian red ensign by neo-nazi groups?
- Talk:Comparison of web browsers - lack of consensus regarding data presentation and color coding
- talk:Boxing Day can Boxing Day and Christmas Sunday fall on the same day?
- Are nasal stops stops or not? Seeking comments on whether we should state the commonly held view that they are or branch out on our own. Linguists particularly welcome. Talk:Stop consonant
- Five articles that were written by one editor, and entirely deleted and replaced by different articles by another editor:
- Talk:Criticisms of War on Terrorism - Seeking comments on whether the use of quotation marks constitute a NPOV issue and if the article requires the cleanup boilerplate.
- Talk:Patricia Cornwell - seeking comments regarding the placement of information about Cornwell's book about Jack the Ripper.
- Talk:Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki#More anti-conscription POV - Seeking comments on whether the section on arguments favoring the bombings should include reference to conscription
- Talk:Capitalism - Need comments on how the article should describe "characteristics of capitalism".
- Talk:Schiller Institute Which version is comes closer to NPOV: this one by SlimVirgin, or this one by Herschelkrustofsky?
- Talk:Hate_group - Should text regarding Hate groups and new religious movements, or specific statements in that section alleging what organizations are hate groups, be excised from the article?
- Talk:Drum Corps International - See article history for reverts; is this a 'reasonable' edit war or an NPOV issue -- if so, which point of view is more NPOV? Equally Talk:Drum and bugle corps (modern) for the same issue. Is this in fact a vandalism case?
- Talk:Lenora Fulani - Should the article include information about her political mentor and close associate, Fred Newman, and the political organizations he founded (with which she is also closely associated)?
- Inactive since December 4; probably resolved. ] 07:32, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
- Talk:George W. Bush - Factual dispute over intro.
- Talk:Woman - Should this article contain a nude photograph of a woman?
- Talk:Viking, now probably at Talk:Viking Age: dispute surrounding the scandinavian vs. the English usage of the word "Viking" as well as the content of the article.
- See also User:Dan_Koehl/viking
- Template talk:Timeline of Islamist militancy - what should be added to this page? Currently we have entries from before the 20th century.
- Misplaced Pages:Village pump (assistance)#Massive merges and clean-up needed for over 10 articles - Help needed on cleaning up articles discussing the fate of Germans after World War II.
- Talk:Pursuit of Nazi collaborators Inherently POV page title? Debate over moving / merging page needs more involvement, article also NPOV disputed.
- Talk:Organised persecution of ethnic Germans - question if "just" and "unjust" prosecution/persecuiton should be described in one article or two articles
- Talk:Côte d'Ivoire Should this article be moved to Ivory Coast, the name most English speakers use? Or should the article reflect the wishes of this country's government?
- Talk:Bob Jones University What's the best term in this particular context? "Blacks," "Negroes," "African-Americans," whatever??
- Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus This article is the subject of massive dispute and has been protected twice in quick succession - would someone please summarise the summaries, and subsequent discussion, and tell us what the important points are, and where the article goes from here?
- Talk:Creation vs. evolution debate Should two sections consisting almost entirely of quotes, with flimsy attempts at connecting prose, be part of the article?
- Talk:The Road to Serfdom Overiding bias against this book was the theme of this article until a couple minutes ago. Need an eye kept on it and neutral additions made
- Talk:Hausdorff-Besicovitch dimension - this is often referred to as the Hausdorff dimension, but it is credited to Abram Samoilovitch Besicovitch as well as Felix Hausdorff. Which title should the article have?
- Talk:Perennial candidate - should three time presidential candidate Ralph Nader be listed as a perennial candidate or is three attempts too low a threshold for inclusion?
- Talk: Autobiography (album) - should this album article go into some detail and some of its content moved into singles articles when it grows too large, or should it simply be a brief summary without any breakout articles?
- Talk:Nicolae Ceausescu - whether recent additions are legitimate or amount to conspiracy theory.
- Talk:Romanian Revolution of 1989 - whether recent additions are legitimate or amount to conspiracy theory.
- Articles related to the circumcision controversy:
- Talk:Foreskin fetish - dispute between two versions of article
- Talk:Circumcision fetish - dispute reverts between two versions of article
- Talk:Circumcision — POV argument over "anti-circumcision agenda"
- Talk:Masturbation - should this article repeatedly mention the obscure purported traumatic masturbatory syndrome, which scraped through VfD, and whose article is mainly an explanation of how obscure the references to it are?
- Talk:Sexual intercourse - NPOV dispute over circumcision, also referencing in-depth article vs discussion of same
- Talk:Sealand: A legal history - should this article be named "Sealand: A Legal History" or "Legal history of Sealand"? Also an NPOV dispute relating to the text of this article as well as Sealand and Sealand (disambiguation).
- Talk:Arab-Israeli conflict - Are the 9/11 attacks and Iraq war related to the Arab-Israeli conflict?
- Talk:Al-Aqsa Intifada - Is it balanced and NPOV to use loaded terms like "lynched" and "murdered" in reference to deceased Israeli soldiers while only using the word "killed" to refer to deceased Palestinian civilians?
- Talk:Vlaams Belang - According to the points of view, either just a new name for the Vlaams Blok, a Belgian political party, or a new political party. What's better: two separate articles or one only?
- Talk:2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities - All of the data in this article needs to be reliably verifiable, or removed.
- Talk:Medical analysis of circumcision - POV dispute over introduction
- Talk:Atheism - Basic disagreement over whether atheism is a passive or an active stance as well as whether one must be either atheist or theist by definition.
- Talk:Artificial consciousness - The whole talk page was deleted by user 80.4.32.9, previously 30% of the article was deleted by a single user, then the whole article was moved to Strong AI and replaced by a completely new text. I think that this is not a way to edit Misplaced Pages articles. The user was contacted.
Comment about individual users
This section is for discussing specific users who have allegedly violated Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. In order to request comment about a user, please follow the instructions to create a subpage in the appropriate section below. Disputes over the writing of articles, including disputes over how best to follow the NPOV policy, belong in the Article content disputes section above.
General user conduct
Discussions about user conduct should be listed in this section unless the complaint is specifically about the use of admin privileges or the choice of username. To list a user conduct dispute, please create a subpage using the following sample listing as a template (anything within {...} are notes):
- /Example user - Allegations: {one or two short sentences giving the dry facts; do not sign entry.}
Before listing any user conduct dispute here, at least two people must try to resolve the same issue by talking with the person on his or her talk page or the talk pages involved in the dispute. The two users must document and certify their efforts when listing the dispute. If the listing is not certified within 48 hours of listing, it will be deleted.
Candidate pages - still need to meet the two person threshold
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Approved pages - have met the two person threshold
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- /DreamGuy - continued ad hominem attacks
- /Robert the Bruce -- refusal to discuss changes, pushing non-NPOV on various pages. Problems with a variety of users.
- /Kris45 - revision against general consensus, possible vandalism
- /Lysdexia - misrepresents other users in talk pages
- /CheeseDreams - Frequently makes insulting comments, breaks the 3RR rule, and has previously thrown {{NPOV}} and {{cleanup>> tags on 50+ articles that he/she had never worked on, nor did he/she ever attempt to work on in the future, with the exception of a few articles (and reverting the removal of those tags)
- /Manos — uploads pictures and text off the internet and ignores request to clarify copyright status.
- /Pnikolov - uncivil remarks toward other editors.
- /Cheung1303 Allegations: Persistent uploading of images that violate copyrights, failure to provide source information for images, attempts to defeat process for removal of images
- /Pumpie - Allegations: Insists on cutting and pasting bizarre little substubs from goodness-knows-where regarding geographical coordinates of individual municipalities in the Sao Paulo, Brazil area. Refuses to answer polite inquiries and seemingly refuses to do anything to these "articles" beyond their initial creation.
- /Rienzo (aka Lady Tara, Baffinisland, Nasse/Piglet...) - Allegations: Multiple sock puppets, all of which (as well as his main account) commit homophobic hate vandalism to multiple user pages
Use of administrator privileges
This section is only for discussions specifically related to the use of sysop rights by Misplaced Pages:Administrators. This includes the actions of protecting or unprotecting pages, deleting or undeleting pages, and blocking or unblocking users. If the dispute is over an admin's actions as an editor, it should be listed under the General user conduct section above. To list a dispute, create a subpage using the following sample as a template:
- /Example admin - Allegations: {one or two short sentences giving the dry facts; do not sign entry.}
As with disputes over general user conduct, at least two people must certify that they believe there is a legitimate basis for the complaint. If the listing is not certified within 48 hours of listing, it will be deleted.
Candidate pages - still need to meet the two person threshold
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Approved pages - have met the two person threshold
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Choice of username
If you believe someone has chosen an inappropriate username under Misplaced Pages's username policy, you may create a subpage here to discuss whether the user should be forced to change usernames. However, before listing the user here, please first contact the user on his or her talk page and give them an opportunity to change usernames voluntarily.
New listings here, please
- User:Msg:protected. Misleading username. VeryVerily 03:26, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
General convention and policy issues
Some proposed conventions and policies can be found at Category:Misplaced Pages policy thinktank.
- List newer entries on top
- Misplaced Pages:Ethics and law - I'd like to encourage ideas about possible guidelines or principles for questions of privacy and related issues.
- User_talk:Ram-Man#Spambot - Should rambot be permitted to send messages regarding dual-licensing of contributions to thousands of user talk pages?
- Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment#Deleting_uncertified_RFCs - Should the manner of handling uncertified RFCs be altered?
- Misplaced Pages:Disabling edits by unregistered users and stricter registration requirement
- Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration policy/Proposed amendment ratification vote - Should the "Snowspinner Amendment" be removed and subjected to a separate vote?
- A complaint about abuse of speedy deletion
- Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(jguk's_changes) The disagreements concern:
- The quote at the beginning of style guide.
- Fowler's "good" guidelines.
- The expressions "period" and "full stop."
- The serial comma.
- "U.S."
- Misplaced Pages:Divulging personal details - Discussion of when to include personal details of people who have chosen to remain anonymous.
- Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_weasel_terms should we use weasel words?
- Misplaced Pages talk:Protection policy - Should we implement a software change so that pages in the user namespace are only editable by that particular user?
- Misplaced Pages:Preliminary Deletion - Not sure if this is the place, but comments on this proposal to add another type of deletion would be appreciated.
- Misplaced Pages talk:Cleanup/Leftovers#Leftovers_system - Not a dispute, but I would like more opinions from people in a discussion on a somewhat backwater talk page.
- User_talk:Rednblu#Good_Faith_policy_(adjourned): Dispute about whether good faith policy would allow a theist to operate an atheistic Misplaced Pages personality.
- Inactive. ] 07:35, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages talk:Categories for deletion phrases: content created by User:132.205.15.42, as a jump-start to a discussion (this goes hand in hand with a rewrite of the content of the {{cfd}} template).
- Proposed new VfD rule: No repeat submission of articles that have already passed the VfD process (w/ consensus to keep) within the next three months.
- Misplaced Pages:Categorization of people - 2nd version of integrated content.
- Misplaced Pages talk:Category schemes - Non-Misplaced Pages categorization systems
- Misplaced Pages:Importance - what subjects are suitable for Misplaced Pages? This proposed policy clarifies existing policies such as Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and Misplaced Pages:Check your fiction. Integrates Misplaced Pages:Trivia (see below) - see also wikipedia talk:importance.
- Inactive since late September. ] 07:56, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
- Template talk:Move to Wiktionary - Formatting of the "move to" templates. See Template:Move to Wiktionary, Template:Move to Wikiquote, Template:Move to Wikibooks
- Inactive. Formatting apparently taken care of. ] 08:00, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
- Wikipedia_talk:Series_templates - This is a proposed policy on series boxes in the Template namespace. Please add comments about which format is suitable for these boxes, to gain some form of consensus, and make the policy enforceable.
- Template:NPOVNPOV - Inevitably its happened, someone's added a template {{NPOVNPOV}} "This NPOV tag is disputed" template. Comments appreciated please so a careful consensus can be obtained early on. Template here template talk page with reasoning Template_talk:NPOVNPOV.
- Inactive; consensus was to keep this tag. ] 08:06, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)