Misplaced Pages

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Why would you revert my page back to the old page by Noisy?

I am trying to integrate parts of it into the article. However much of it is not necessary or should be in another article like library. See what I have done now. Rmhermen 21:11, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Are you a librarian? Your edit is not very good. Who does someone go to to complain about your judgement and editorial merits, or lack of them? I thought this was suppose to be a USER supported service? By what criteria do apply your editorial judgement? I think important information in the Librarian category is missing. A person who is interested in BECOMING a librarian may want to know about the settings of librarians. Over all, a horrible edit. --Mikerussell 21:36, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That material should go in the library article where in fact it already is. This article is to be a general article with world-wide applicability. Rmhermen 21:52, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you have done. I am sorry if I got snotty. --Mikerussell 22:27, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Librarian Re-edits, dispute between Rmhermen and Mikerussell

After some research on my part about the status of adminstrators in Misplaced Pages, I have decided to make several necessary changes to Rmherman's edit. If the dispute goes further, we will have to ask for mediation, or at least I will have to.

1.A librarian is a type of professional who works in a library.

What does that mean? A prostitute who cops Johns in abandoned study carrels? A very poor way to start the article, imprecise and logically circular. Would you start a article about Lawyer like- A lawyer is a type of professional that works in a courthouse.

2.Examples of library information sources:

• Gramophone records and compact discs
• Photographs and videotape
• Newspapers, magazines and scientific journals
• Computer databases
• Online resources''

Is not needed, and lacks informative impact, the article is not written for people who have never been in a library, or have been under a rock or on Mars. Too trivial for inclusion. People understand media formats and what can be found in libraries.

Sure, Misplaced Pages editors hang out in libraries, but people who are using this encyclopedia to learn something may not. Every week, it seems, adults who have finished their education come to my reference desk apologizing that they haven't been in a library for years. And as more and more students use the Internet (especially Misplaced Pages) from home to do their research, they'll never have to step inside a library building unless they absolutely need something published on paper that's not available online. And they often start their question with the phrase, "Excuse me, I need a book ..." not realizing that the best resource is a magazine or newspaper article, a pamphlet, or that there are books on tape. Yes, interrupting this article with bulleted list is an awkward way of listing information formats, but somehow you have to get the point across to most people, who have narrow but deep knowledge in their favorite fields, that only librarians have broad but shallow knowledge in all fields and formats. GUllman 18:00, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3.Librarians can be found in many areas. Public libraries, public schools, and university libraries are the most common employers. Librarians can also be found in businesses, government departments, hospitals, law firms, museums, and other large organizations where academic research is performed or where large quantities of information are stored.

This is a impercise. What does 'many areas' mean? Compared to the basic classifications listed in my edit, it is unhelpful for readers of Misplaced Pages. Does Rmhermen know what is the basic classification for libraries and librarians? I ask him to provide his source of knowledge on the subject and/or ask that other librarians peer review this dispute. Although you took my edit and sent some of it over to Library, it is not the same information. It makes no sense why the basic breakdown should be left out in favor of a passage which readers could guess at anyway. Misplaced Pages should provide more than just superficial information on a topic.

I have never edited the librarian article. That description of library types was not taken from your edit but has been a part of that article since April 8, 2004. The article on library should describe what a library is. The article on librarian should describe what a librarian is. There is no reason to describe what a library is in detail on this page like you wouldn't describe what a tank is on the page on the Battle of El Alamein. Rmhermen 20:26, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

4. Library technicians (also called assistant librarians, library assistants, or library paraprofessionals) who most often lack the Master's degree, but may perform duties such as searching for items in the library catalog or basic cataloging.

Library Technicians are not the same thing as library assistants or assistant librarians. Library Technicians requires a specialized training, often a two-year college diploma. Assistant librarians, are librarians who work in a relational capacity to full librarians, or belong to a certain occupational category within the library's overall structure. Library assistants are usually trained in-house and only need a undergraduate degree to get hired and commence on the job training. You mislead people about each occupational category unnecessarily.

5. The inclusion of Headings makes editing and reading easier for Wiki users, why Rmhermen withdrew them is unwarrented and really lacks commonsense. The article reader benefits from the ability to hyperlink in and out of contents on the same page.

6. Added material to make it less focused on American concerns, such as the Censorship and Patriot Act section. Misplaced Pages is world-wide and not just for Americans.

I will defend my choices in the future, and have taken some of Rmhermen's edits to heart. Nevertheless, I hardly think an adminstrator has the editorial perogative to 'dumb-down' an article because he feels certain information is 'not needed'. That stance is contrary to the responsibilty and privilege of being an administrator.

An administrator's job is adminstrative in nature, all editors are equal in their editing. Rmhermen 20:35, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

--Mikerussell 07:33, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Copyright

I removed this line from public libraries: "and a less rigorous copyright protocol" What does this mean? Are libraries somewhere given different copyright law? Rmhermen 20:53, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

Absolutely, most public libraries are granted copyright exemptions for educational purposes. Often public libraries sign a general agreement with copyright collectives, such as Access Copyright in Canada, http://www.accesscopyright.ca/ that is significantly different than private firms. Private libraries, such as law libraries, must pay a higher rate to reproduce copyrighted work; in fact, any library that is part of a for profit organization must pay greater attention to copyright law, since compliance is essential lawful use. Recently in canada the law Society of Upper Canada (Ontario's Bar Association) won a Supreme Court case to beable to reproduce copyrighted material for their members. the fact that the law society was not for profit was the reason why the decision was granted. (CCH vs. Law Society of Upper Canada). Since I don't think this is a major point, and the situation may differ, in some sense, in other jurisdictions, I don't regard the deletion as anything worth rewriting for the article.--Mikerussell 04:06, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)