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(Initiated 20 days ago on 5 December 2024) - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 19:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 224 days ago on 15 May 2024) Discussion died down quite a long time ago. I do not believe anything is actionable but a formal closure will help. Soni (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done I don't think that a formal closure will be helpful given that there are several sub-discussions here on various issues. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 79 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Turkey#RfC_on_massacres_and_genocides_in_the_lead

(Initiated 78 days ago on 8 October 2024) Expired tag, no new comments in more than a week. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. Also see: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard topic. Bogazicili (talk) 17:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Not sure if anyone is looking into this, but might be a good idea to wait for a few weeks since there is ongoing discussion. Bogazicili (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 00:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Request_for_comment:_Do_the_guidelines_in_WP:TPO_also_apply_to_archived_talk_pages?

(Initiated 70 days ago on 16 October 2024) Discussion seems to have petered out a month ago. Consensus seems unclear. Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Needs admin closure imho, due to its importance (guideline page), length (101kb), and questions about neutrality of the Rfc question and what it meant. Mathglot (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

And in true Streisand effect fashion, this discussion, quiescent for six weeks, has some more responses again. Mathglot (talk) 01:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

{{doing}} voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Oops; I put this in the wrong section. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 58 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 46 days ago on 10 November 2024) Discussion is slowing significantly. Likely no consensus, personally. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Option 2 was very clearly rejected. The closer should try to see what specific principles people in the discussion agreed upon if going with a no consensus close, because there should be a follow-up RfC after some of the details are hammered out. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 03:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

 Doing... —Compassionate727  13:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Compassionate727: Still working on this? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Ugh… in practice, no. I'm still willing to do it, but it's in hiatus because of the three(!) pending challenges of my closures at AN, while I evaluate to what extent I need to change how I approach closures. If somebody else wants to take over this, they should feel free. —Compassionate727  22:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Taking a pause is fair. Just wanted to double check. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

asking for an update if possible. I think this RFC and previous RFCBEFORE convos were several TOMATS long at this point, so I get that this might take time. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 16:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment#RFC_on_signing_RFCs

(Initiated 42 days ago on 13 November 2024) - probably gonna stay status quo, but would like a closure to point to Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Done Soni (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: Check Your Fact

(Initiated 42 days ago on 13 November 2024) RfC has elapsed, and uninvolved closure is requested. — Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 15:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#RfC Indian numbering conventions

(Initiated 39 days ago on 16 November 2024) Very wide impact, not much heat. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Consensus seems clear, I don't think my Indian-ness poses a WP;COI here, closed. Soni (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 35 days ago on 20 November 2024) TompaDompa (talk) 17:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (music)#RfC about the naming conventions for boy bands

(Initiated 17 days ago on 8 December 2024) No further participation in the last 7 days. Consensus is clear but I am the opener of the RfC and am not comfortable closing something I am so closely involved in, so would like somebody uninvolved to close it if they believe it to be appropriate.RachelTensions (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not comfortable closing a discussion on a guideline change this early. In any case, if the discussion continues as it has been, a formal closure won't be necessary. —Compassionate727  13:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#RfC: Should a bot be created to handle AfC submissions that haven't changed since the last time they were submitted?

(Initiated 40 days ago on 15 November 2024) This RfC expired five days ago, has an unclear consensus, I am involved, and discussion has died down. JJP_Master (she/they) 22:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Len_Blavatnik#RfC:_NPOV_in_the_lead

(Initiated 9 days ago on 16 December 2024) RFC is only 5 days old as of time of this posting, but overwhelming consensus approves of status quo, except for a single COI editor. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The CoI editor has now accepted that consensus is for the status quo, but I think a formal close from an uninvolved editor, summarizing the consensus would be helpful, since the issue has been coming up for a while and many editors were involved. — penultimate_supper 🚀 16:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

yes, despite multiple posts to WP:BLPN, WP:NPOVN, WP:3O, several talk page discussions, and now an RFC, I doubt the pressure to remove word oligarch from the lede of that page will stop. An appropriate close could be a useful thing to point at in the future though. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done by Nomoskedasticity. —Compassionate727  13:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox country#Request for comment on greenhouse emissions

(Initiated 89 days ago on 27 September 2024) Lots of considered debate with good points made. See the nom's closing statement. Kowal2701 (talk) 09:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done —Compassionate727  13:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel#RfC

(Initiated 33 days ago on 22 November 2024) Legobot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an interdependent close. TarnishedPath 23:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Chloe Melas#RFC on allegation of making a false allegation (resubmission)

(Initiated 31 days ago on 24 November 2024) The bot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an independent close. TarnishedPath 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done —Compassionate727  13:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi (A)

(Initiated 25 days ago on 30 November 2024) Please review this discussion. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion has now been relisted thrice. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 00:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Arab migrations to the Levant#Merger Proposal

(Initiated 92 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:LGBT history in Georgia#Proposed merge of LGBT rights in Georgia into LGBT history in Georgia

(Initiated 80 days ago on 7 October 2024) A merge + move request with RM banners that needs closure. No new comments in 20 days. —CX Zoom 20:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done —Compassionate727  14:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump#Proposal: Age and health concerns regarding Trump

(Initiated 70 days ago on 16 October 2024) Experienced closer requested. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Tesla Cybercab#Proposed merge of Tesla Network into Tesla Cybercab

(Initiated 68 days ago on 18 October 2024) This needs formal closure by someone uninvolved. N2e (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it would be better to leave that discussion be. There is no consensus one way or the other. I could close it as "no consensus," but I think it would be better to just leave it so that if there's ever anyone else who has a thought on the matter, they can comment in that discussion instead of needing to open a new one. —Compassionate727  14:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024

(Initiated 50 days ago on 5 November 2024) RM that has been open for over a month. Natg 19 (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Initiated 33 days ago on 22 November 2024) Pretty simple RM that just needs an uninvolved editor to close. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 17:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done —Compassionate727  14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Williamsburg Bray School#Splitting proposal

(Initiated 28 days ago on 27 November 2024) Only two editors—the nominator and myself—have participated. That was two weeks ago. Just needs an uninvolved third party for closure. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

 Doing... BusterD (talk) 20:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal

(Initiated 58 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Topic ban review request

I was topic banned from American politics articles on 9 January 2018 (not 2017 as the editing restrictions list says) for BLP violations relating to Donald Trump. Whilst I have no real interest in editing articles about Trump, I would like to edit\create article not permitted by my "broadly construed topic ban on American politics". In the last few months, I have been mostly creating biographies for Women in Red, and there have been a few times when I've wanted to create articles about American women, but been unable to do so, as they have a vague connection to American politics. I understand the reasons for which I was topic banned and blocked, and since then have been wholly compliant with WP:BLP, as demonstrated by the 31 biographies I have created this year, of which 25+ of them are BLPs. I ask the community to reconsider my topic ban, as I believe that my editing has demonstrated that this ban is no longer necessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Two questions:

• You're OK with the Donald Trump topic ban remaining in force, right?
• There seems to have been a certain level of impulse control problems thru March. Are you confident those are not going to recur?

--Floquenbeam (talk) 19:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

This would work better if you provided links, Joseph, like this, or at least pinged Alex Shih. There, I've done both for you. It's difficult for people at AN to comment on a sanction that was apparently (?) decided at UTRS, see my link. For instance, I have difficulty understanding whether Alex is saying only that the topic ban from Trump pages can be appealed after six months, or that the "voluntary" (?) ban from American politics can, or need, also be appealed. Exactly how voluntary is it? I hope Alex will clarify. Bishonen | talk 20:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

I don't know how kosher it is to reproduce verbatim UTRS logs, but since there's no private info involved, I trust I can do it here:

Alex Shih@2018-01-08 21:23:31: 
Hello Joseph2302,
Thank you for your appeal. If I understand correctly, you'll be willing to accept 1) Commitment to BLP 2) Indefinite topic ban from Donald Trump and related pages, broadly construed 3) Temporary restricted from page moves until further notice?
While this appeal ticks all the boxes, because of your subsequent comments after the initial block and previous history in this area, the block can only be reduced to 2 weeks I think. Any similar violations like this would result in indefinite block without warning.
Let me know what you think,
Alex Shih
English Misplaced Pages Administrator	
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Joseph2302@2018-01-08 22:00:11:	
Yes I would be willing to accept: Commitment to BLP Indefinite topic ban on Donald Trump and related pages, broadly construed. I'd take this to mean most/all of American politics in the last c.5 years, plus anything otherwise related to Trump e.g. his businesses, media appearances about him such as the Apprentice, Temporary restriction from page moves (I guess temporary means 6 months or a year, or indefinite but can appeal after X amount of time) And I understand that 2 weeks is reasonable given the comments I made after the 1 week block was imposed. And that any similar incidents would result in an indef block. Obviously I would like to return sooner than that, but I understand the seriousness of the BLP violations and talkpage comments. <extraneous info snipped>
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Alex Shih@2018-01-09 03:55:12:
Hello Joseph2302,
No problem,
I will reduce your block shortly. Thank you for the prompt response.
Alex Shih
English Misplaced Pages Administrator

--Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I have no issues with posting the messages, in fact I was about to do it myself. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Floquenbeam I don't care about Donald Trump topic ban, since I don't plan to edit articles about him. And I had some issues in March which won't be repeated. Mostly I was being pointy which isn't the point of Misplaced Pages. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Writ Keeper. I'm afraid I understand the situation less now, since there's nothing about a topic ban from Am Pol, voluntary or other, there, and yet Alex's log note contains such a ban. Does Joseph need to appeal it at all? Does it exist? Bishonen | talk 20:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

• In light of Joseph2302's response, I'm in favor of (a) lifting the AmPol restriction, (b) keeping the Donald Trump restriction, and (c) cleaning up the edit restrictions log with a link to this discussion for the Trump restriction. Part of the problem, I think, based on the layout of WP:Editing restrictions, is that restrictions that are not from ArbCom or a community discussion are, apparently, considered "voluntary" (in the sense that they were voluntarily agreed to in order to get unblocked?). So that might be what Alex meant. But yeah, that log entry is a little difficult to parse. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I don’t really have an opinion either way on lifting it, but narrow AP2 bans (i.e. Trump bans) have a habit of blowing up in faces and usually lead to blocks because no one can agree what falls under the narrower ban. For this reason I’ve come around to the view that American politics TBANS should generally be all or nothing. It prevents the inevitable “but I didn’t realize that admin X thought discussing a Supreme Court nominee is Trump related!” Unblock requests. Also, FWIW, I think this is one of the few situations where invoking ROPE might actually be appropriate: if Joseph vandalizes a page on Trump again, given the history, an indef is likely. That’s a lot easier to enforce than figuring out what is related to Trump and what isn’t.TonyBallioni (talk) 21:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
    • TonyBallioni, unlike ARBAPDS, the unblock statement is all American politics; what about abolishing the current topic ban entirely and replacing it with a ban on current politics? This isn't the Macedonia naming dispute, with centuries or millennia of contention: it's all dealing with current people and current events. If Joseph can't be trusted to edit Trump but can be trusted to edit American politics unrelated to him (no opinion from me on whether that's the case), presumably he can be trusted to edit on issues related to John Hanson, William McKinley, and Estes Kefauver. Nyttend (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
      • While I'm not opposed to such a change, I'm not sure if it's really dealing with the issue that brought Joseph here. I had a quick look at their recent creations, and most of them seem to still be alive. Actually often the thing that makes them notable is fairly recent. So I'm not sure it's that likely making the ban post 1932 American politics will help much. I'd also note that the state of pre 1933 American politics means there's unfortunately not so many women which fall under such a criterion anyway. I also see Cullen328 says below that the ban is actually only on post 2013 so a lot more generous than the standard sanction and the point is moot. Edit: I see you mentioned 'current' to be defined carefully, I missed that before and assumed from your comments you were talking about a standard ARBAPDS post 1932 ban not an even more narrow ban. That's more worthwhile except that as said it seems it's already the case. Nil Einne (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

• I agree with Tony that a "Trump-ban" separate from WP:ARBAPDS is a bad idea. I support lifting the TBAN unconditionally, with the understanding that if he does start making problematic edits related to Trump, it's likely an admin will re-impose the wider topic ban on American Politics. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Trump related, broadly construed, is a really vague term, and I would prefer to avoid such bans. I wouldn't care about keeping a ban on the Donald Trump page (that is a clear line and easily enforceable). Otherwise I agree with lifting the voluntary American Politics ban. -Obsidi (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
• It seems to me that the Trump related topic ban was imposed by an administrator and that Joseph2302 is not asking that it be removed. What Joseph2302 is asking is that the broader topic ban on U.S. politics be lifted. That topic ban was voluntary, so in my opinion, Joseph2302 can unban himself at any time, with full realization that misconduct in this broad topic area will result in much stricter sanctions. I think that it is excellent that the editor put the matter forward for community discussion. I encourage him to keep avoiding Trump related articles, and to feel free to edit other political articles in full compliance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

• The talk page notice of the restriction did not accurately reflect the UTRS discussion. The voluntary restriction agreed at UTRS was about most American politics in the last five years, specifically referencing Trump related stuff. There is a vast world of American politics articles from 1932 to 2013 that need to be improved, that have nothing at all to do with Trump. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, the American politics ban was meant to be voluntary as logged, and therefore intentionally wide (given the situation at the time); considering the history I think this discussion was indeed a good idea, and I concur with the interpretation of Cullen328 and Floquenbeam on my log entry. I would support going ahead and remove that sentence entirely and just keep the Trump topic ban intact, as Joseph2302 is not asking for it to be removed anyway. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
• Given the statements above, I'm opposed to the idea of modifying this topic ban — as long as you're doing anything related to American politics in the last five years, you're likely to run into something Trump-related before long, so there's way too much wiggle room. I'm neutral on "retain the current ban" versus "remove the ban entirely", but both of those are a good deal simpler and less ambiguous (and thus better) than the proposed modification. PS, given the introductory comments about article creation: what about making an exception for drafts? Most disruption in political areas seems to happen when people edit-war over existing articles; if you may edit in this field in draftspace only (and may talk with others about improving drafts you've created), I don't imagine that problems would result, even if it would be a bad idea to remove the ban entirely. Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

• Is there a consensus on this? Don't want to see this thread just archived. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• I oppose narrowing the TBAN, especially now. The TBAN was imposed as a compromise, resolving an indef for very unrestrained behavior, in a topic where we have DS because of too much unrestrained behavior due to the intense passions. While the request only discusses work on articles about athletes, it is hard to not consider the timing of this request, with the impending US mid-term elections, with so much Trumpian stuff going on. Given the timing, it seems unwise to narrow the TBAN now.

Additionally, the request doesn't acknowledge the stuff that led to this situation.

Looking at their block log they seem to have some hot button issues where they lose all restraint sometimes.

Please look at their talk page archive from when they were indeffed; they apparently straight up lied about prodding the Trump page and then did the BLP-violating move of a related page that led to a block. In reaction to that, they wrote some things (some now rev-delled) that got them indeffed and caused them to lose talk page access (relevant part of their contribs is here). The indef and talk-page access are what were resolved via the UTRS thread quoted above.

So they should stay away from US politics, especially now during the silly season. Better for them, better for everyone. We ~could~ consider a request after the mid-terms but it would need to come with way more self-awareness of the problems that led to the stuff in early January, and again, the OP doesn't discuss that at all. Jytdog (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Close?

• I think there is consensus here. There is concern about the scope of Trump topic ban leaves too much ambiguity, which really is only a concern if Joseph2302 is/was an active editor in the American politics topic area, which isn't the case here I think. I have always maintained that topic ban enforcements requires discretion and also consideration on the merits of why the original ban was placed in the first place, and under this mindset I think removing the voluntary ban, leaving Trump ban intact and having this discussion as something to point to should problems occur, would be the simple and sensible way forward. Would somebody close this please? Alex Shih (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

TFA vandalism

By now many of you are aware of this ongoing vandalism. They are targeting Today's Featured Article, among any other random article. Vandalism on TFA is commonplace, but to this extreme I think we need to do something beyond relying on patrollers. Sometimes this remains for minutes, when TFAs get maybe 20-30 views per minute (judging by the last several TFAs). It looks awfully bad for the project.

I know it's a perennial proposal, but do you think it'd be okay to put TFA under pending changes protection, procedurally, until we get this vandalism under control? This way everyone gets to at least edit, and I assume it being the TFA, pending changes would be tended to quickly. I have other ideas that don't involve any form of protection, but they're quite complicated. It would be great to do something. The edit filter is not cutting it.

Reminder that the vandal may be reading this discussion. — MusikAnimal 03:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I believe it is fairly common for us to apply semi-protection to TFAs when it becomes clear that they are attracting vandalism. The question here, I think, is about pre-emptive protection; and we already do that in a sense, by applying move-protection to all TFAs (the bot does this). I would certainly be okay with applying PC protection at the first sign of trouble. I'm a little reluctant to support pre-emptive PC protection simply because the load on PC reviewers will increase considerably. MusikAnimal Is a TFA-specific, IP-specific, image-specific filter possible? Vanamonde (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

That's what I really want -- to make the filter TFA-specific. If we can do that we'll be in much better shape. Unfortunately there's no way to detect this right now. We'd need the bot to add an empty template, maybe {{TFA placeholder}} (or something), or even just a comment somewhere in the wikitext. The filter would also have to ensure only the bot or an admin can add/remove the template/comment, which is possible. I think having this identifier could be useful in the future for other vandalism-prevention, too, so maybe it's worth the trouble of implementing it? — MusikAnimal 04:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: My technical knowledge is limited, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if such a filter would be based on a template that had to be inserted into the TFA text, I think it would absolutely be worth implementing, as it could then be manually added to other main-page entries that were targets of image-vandalism, too. As such I think it's likely to be a worthwhile investment. Vanamonde (talk) 04:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I like this idea. It's potentially better than pre-emptive pending changes protection as it would allow for more good faith editing to be done in real time and potential vandalism edits to show a warning to the user. Killiondude (talk) 04:36, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Legoktm: Would you be interested in having TFA Protector Bot perform this for us? It should be rather simple to implement; at 00:00 UTC put <!-- TFA --> in the wikitext, I guess at the bottom. Then remove it the following midnight. If you are too busy I can pursue this, but I figure since we're doing this for counter-vandalism reasons, TFA Protector Bot seems most fitting.

Unrelated oddity -- the system edit count of TFA Protetor Bot is currently at 22 edits, but the bot has clearly made many more than that. — MusikAnimal 17:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't think relying on an edit to be made at midnight is a good idea. What about a template that uses time-based parserfunctions to add some magic text, and look at the pst in the AbuseFilter? That way the bot can add the template in advance, and remove it later on without relying on exact timing.

And protection log entry dummy edits don't count as proper edits :) Legoktm (talk) 23:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I have started an RfC related to this at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Alternative proposal: disallow non-autoconfirmed users adding images on TFAs. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

LDS terminology issues

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has recently issued a new style-guide regarding how to refer to that organization . It seems this may have initially been released in August, though there has been a recent influx of Misplaced Pages updates based on this, possibly due to the recent General Conference. Per our standard practice, Misplaced Pages does not automatically follow those guidelines. Some parts of it may be applied to articles if they become common usage, other parts may not even in that situation (I doubt we will be updating articles to refer to this group as the unqualified "Church of Jesus Christ" in the foreseeable future). A variety of LDS-related articles have seen updates from well-intentioned new editors that have had to be reverted as a result. I request that administrators consider themselves aware of this situation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

No! I refuse to be aware!  :-) Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation "LDS" or the nickname "Mormon" as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in "Mormon Church," "LDS Church," or "Church of the Latter-day Saints." Is part of this new? I know they've discouraged the use of "Mormon" for years, but I don't remember hearing discouragement of "LDS Church". Nyttend (talk) 05:07, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I heard about this several months ago. Yes, some of this is new and I seriously doubt they will convince the general public to drop the use of Mormon or LDS. Legacypac (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Private Eye used to refer to Reverend Dubya of the Church of the Latter-Day Morons. Guy (Help!) 11:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I did see that in the news, but doubt anyone outside that religious organization will give any heed to it.16:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)

• funny that they would post that on “mormonnewsroom.org”... just sayin’ Beeblebrox (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Main page photo

The photo of Paul Romer on the Main Page has the dimensions of the new, cropped photo on Commons, but is in fact the older one. Just look at my sandbox (and I don't know why my sandbox shows two different photos). wumbolo ^^^ 21:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Wumbolo This parameter "width=100" is the only difference I see between the two images. rest everything is as expected. and After I added it , they are the same. It might be possible that your browser was using an old version of this image that was already downloaded, well clearing the browser cache or checking this link from another browser are two ways to fix it. Cheers.--DBigXrayᗙ 22:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: This phenomena can be seen virtually anytime an image is overwritten; it briefly shows the new copy with the dimensions of the old. Some time back, a serial vandal kept uploading the same vandalism photo repeatedly to Commons, and when I would replace the image with text (to prevent it from being added to articles), it would briefly show the text squished to the dimensions that the photo had been. Home Lander (talk) 00:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay, seriously

Look at the last line currently under DYK, the bit about reading on the toilet. Is this serious? It almost seems like someone has snuck a joke onto the main page. Home Lander (talk) 01:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Bathroom reading is a valid article that met the DYK criteria, so why should it not appear? This is not really something for the administrators' noticeboard, however; perhaps you should raise your concerns at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know. Fish+Karate 09:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Removed per valid concerns raised at WP:ERRORS. Looking into a rather ridiculous claim poised to hit the main page tomorrow as well. Fram (talk) 09:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Reinstated. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

And reremoved by another admin after getting consensus (a small consensus, but the main page and DYK on oit is time critical, so hardly time to start a full RfC first...). Fram (talk) 10:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Amakuru and Dweller: can you stop WP:WHEELing please? GiantSnowman 11:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Dweller had (and has) consensus, so that's not wheel-warring? Fram (talk) 11:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. It's not WHEELing GiantSnowman. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:31, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm about the most consensus-reliant Wikipedian you'll find. I couldn't WHEEL even if I wheely wanted to. But that DYK stank. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't think either of us WHEELed really. I reverted an admin action because I disagreed with it, and took the discussion to the talk page, which is normal WP:BRD. Dweller then undid my reversion based on a rough consensus from the discussion at ERRORS, which I suppose is fair enough, although it would have been better if they'd asked me to undo my own action per normal protocol. I still maintain that the DYK didn't really stink, any more than my feces did when I last went to the toilet, but hey-ho sometimes you get outvoted in these situations.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

:-) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Sheesh. Who knew that whether poop smells or not could be so controversial (this filter immediately comes to mind)... Home Lander (talk) 15:13, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. WP:WHAAOE. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RblbZQth0KE --Guy Macon (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

"In one celebrated instance farting became a source of safety instead of fear. A boy in Jungian analysis used flatulence to create a ‘defensive olfactory container’ to protect himself, skunk-like, against fears of disintegration and persecution and to create a ‘protective cloud of familiarity’ when threatened. The clouds started to lift after the analyst blew loud therapeutic raspberries back at him (Sidoli, 1996)." . Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Now that sounds like a DYK hook I might actually click...  — Amakuru (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• WP is serious business, guys. Knock this shit off. Cleanly, in a large mass and with minimal smell. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Range block assist

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Hi all, can someone please assist with a rangeblock that will cover:

• 103.252.25.45 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.47 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.48 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.49 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.52 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.55 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.59 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 103.252.25.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

...and more within that range? I've reported this guy before here in June, but this most recent flare-up was brought to my attention by Vivek Ray. The vandal submits gibberish, typically in the form of film titles and actor roles in Indian cinema articles. Often months or dates will appear in the garbage he submits. He is quite prolific. Some examples:

• The Once Again Parents Meeting At Mathruka Nikethan Higher Primary School At 9th April 2018 At Karnataka Baiyappanahalli is alleged to be the name of a film.
• More alleged film titles: November 2012 As Travel Joiner Returns, Dussehra 2017 On Navratris, The Grihapravesh Pooja At 25th March 2018 At Karnataka Thambu Chetty Palya Bengaluru, etc. Under "Cast" he adds: "In Voice In Radio At Salman Khan, Asin, Chunky Pandey". WTF does "in voice in radio at" mean?
• Awards ascribed to fake titles April & May 2011 As Travel Joiner, etc.

I don't know if he's doing this by hand or has some mechanical assistance, but he's definitely got some kind of a system going on. Anyway, a long-term range block would be appreciated. I'm probably going to have to create some kind of informal LTA page on this guy. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• 103.252.25.32/27 has been blocked before; I'd like someone to check for proxying. Not that that really matters much for my block--given that the last one was for three months, I made this a one-year block. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: Thanks for the assist! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed edit to User:Kiko4564

I propose that the banned user template on his userpage be replaced with either {{banned user|link=]}} or {{banned user}} as the current text is incorrect. I've not posted on his talk page as it's semi protected. 51.9.92.58 (talk) 16:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for catching the error. Nyttend (talk) 22:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive edit summary

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Could any admin please delete this disruptive edit summary?―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kamal Mustafa (DJ)

I am requesting a set of admin eyes on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kamal Mustafa (DJ) and on its talk page and at User talk:Legacypac. The interchange between the author, either User: SiddiqFarooq or User: DJ Kamal Mustafa (possible sockpuppetry), and the nominator, User:Legacypac, is a little ugly on the part of the author, who is accusing Legacypac of hate. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Legacypac&type=revision&diff=863685448&oldid=863684572&diffmode=source in which the author tries to erase the interchange.

Articles for Deletion is often pretty heated, but Miscellany for Deletion can get ugly too. This is just a request for a set of admin eyes for the remainder of the seven days (and of course for closure at the end of the seven days).

Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I think one of the accounts accused everyone at Misplaced Pages of hating Muslims and Pakistanis - not just me. I restored the deletion of a whole section of my talkpage, and am managing the situation. The accounts have little interest in Misplaced Pages except to promote the DJ so I've not sought any Admin action other than a CSD and to force a rename of the one acct. Legacypac (talk) 03:22, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

JamesBWatson has left a message on DJ Kamal Mustafa's talk. I have left an agf-sock on both DJ Kamal Mustafa's and SiddiqFarooq's talk pages. This may need to go to ANI and SPI. DJ Kamal Mustafa has said Yap i accept that i edit my page with my team what I'm saying is I'm adding notable links of those newspaper who have already wikipedia pages if I'm not notable then those pages shouldn't be too as simple as that.

Topic ban

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I was topic banned almost two years ago from witchcraft. I would like to appeal this ban. I haven't violated the ban. Once I made an edit but quickly reverted. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) If you could provide a link to the discussion that led to your ban, that would be helpful to those participating in the appeal discussion.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Asterixf2 and Malleus Maleficarum (topic ban discussion) Asterixf2 (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I do not plan to edit Malleus Maleficarum. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Generally speaking, it would also be helpful to express where you went wrong and show evidence of how you've behaved since the ban. Just saying "I want to appeal the ban" won't help anyone in determining if the ban is still necessary.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I was editing https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Asterixf2#Malleus_Maleficarum (User_talk:Asterixf2#Malleus_Maleficarum permalink) when I met with the very persistent, strong and, as I see it, irrational opposition from user Ryn78 related to some specific points. This is the last version of the page without the controversial additions by Ryn78: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Malleus_Maleficarum&oldid=749385708. The article has since deteriorated and the "Reception" section is still hidden in an html comment. Since that time I was not involved in any disruptive behavior or prolonged discussions. I failed to drop the stick. Asterixf2 (talk) 07:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

• In attempting to present the case for lifting the ban, you have in fact presented the case for keeping it. You are still exhibiting one of the key attitudes that led to your ban: a conviction that you are RIGHT, and anyone who has a different view from you is "irrational". Also, despite being invited to "express where you went wrong" far from doing so you have dedicated most of your latest post to expressing how wrong you think another editor was. The only token gesture towards indicating that you know what you did wrong is the brief and unelaborated statement "I failed to drop the stick"; as far as that goes, it follows three sentences, together amounting to about ten times the length of that one, in which you express your view that you weren't wrong, and that the problem was another editor who was being unreasonable I'm not sure how you could better demonstrate that even after two years you have still not "dropped the stick", as you call it. In fact, you have done a remarkably good job of showing in a few short sentences that you still have exactly the attitude that led to the ban. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Of course I was correct but it was said that being correct is not enough. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Following the imposition of the topic ban, the editor was absent for 18 months. Since their return to editing, they have worked on a few articles. One of those is Martin Delrio, an article clearly related to witchcraft. They have violated their topic ban by making six edits to this article this month. I am very concerned that they will resume and continue their disruptive behavior if they are allowed to edit witchcraft articles without restriction. I agree with JamesBWatson's analysis directly above. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You are right. I reverted those changes. Article Delrio was the one I meant when I mentioned above the changes that I reverted. I simply forgot about the ban once again after starting this discussion. This is because I edit multiple language versions. All my changes were reverted by me. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You reverted your substantive change regarding witchcraft only after I mentioned it here. How could you have "simply forgot" when you were editing that article in recent days? Cullen Let's discuss it 20:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

One change was reverted before I posted here, quickly after making the change when I recalled I was topic banned. When I recalled I was topic banned I appealed the ban. The other change was made after posting here. I have just lost my attention due to switching between language editions of wikipedia. :) Asterixf2 (talk) 10:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

• I see JamesBWatson has helpfully expressed my thoughts better than I could. I agree with his assessment, and I oppose any relaxation of the topic ban. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

190.90.140.43

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Please block. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:19, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Change in oversight team

In accordance with the Committee's procedure on functionary inactivity, the Oversight permissions of Keilana (talk · contribs) are removed. The Arbitration Committee sincerely thanks Keilana for her years of service.

For the Arbitration Committee, ~ Rob₁₃ 16:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC) x-post: Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Change in oversight team

Peculiar use of talk page

Hello admins. Is there anything that can be done at Talk:Terry Hall (singer)? For several months an IP has been making comments about being the article subject's wife. Initially I interacted with the editor, and tried to explain how Misplaced Pages works (i.e. sources preferred over personal testimony), but I gave up when they started accusing me of destroying their marital status. Despite nobody else interacting with them, this anon editor is continuing to have a conversation (with themselves) about this matter, and the talk page has veered off, shall we say, into uncharted territory. I haven't posted this at ANI because I believe a bit of sensitivity is required with this matter, and I don't think it would particularly help to post the standard editor notification on their page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

(non-admin closure) I would recommend blocking the IP per WP:NOTFORUM. _Hypercube ✎ 22:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

It is acceptable to clean up the talkpage by deleting the offendingnmaterial citing WP:NOTAFORUM and keep doing so until the IP gets the hint. Legacypac (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't feel confident that they will get the hint. The term obsessive springs to mind. Can the page not be protected also? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

No crystal ball is needed to see that hints will not be taken. I would have deleted the last section (Representations of his family) but others have replied. If deleting the stuff is considered undesirable, the page could be manually archived and further material repeatedly removed with occasional explanations on the current IP's talk. Johnuniq (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

As the IP account was making legal threats regarding the removal of this material, I have blocked it for a year. Nick-D (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't think they were making legal threats as such - they had, supposedly, already contacted the British police and Home Office regarding this, with no impact on anyone here. But never mind. We shall have to see if they start using other IP accounts - they've used at least two so far. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Please check deleted contributions

• Special:Contributions/2602:302:D1A2:C740:4561:CE91:E430:80F7
• Special:Contributions/2602:302:D1A2:C740:B575:BA69:E4FE:32FF

They have tagged various pages for deletion (as well as requesting bans for some users), generally without providing any reason. Despite there not being any reason, Wesley Duncan was deleted for a while which I only found out by accident. Can an administrator check the deleted contributions from these IPs to see if any other pages have been deleted? Alexis Jazz (talk) 17:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

The only edit that is in either of their deleted contributions is to User:JocelynLPIA/sandbox/Jake Porter. ~ GB fan 17:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@GB fan: thanks. That page is actually about https://jakeporter.org/meet-jake/. I don't know if he's within the scope of WP:NPOL and what was written on that page, but it may be useful. Alexis Jazz (talk) 17:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Cross-wiki effects?

If account creation is blocked on a certain IP in one wiki, does unified login prevent the creation of user accounts from that IP on any wiki or just the home wiki? DrKay (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Just the home wiki where the block is placed. It can also prevent automatic account creation on the home wiki where an account is previously created on another wiki. Global blocks (and global locks) affect all wikis. -- zzuuzz 21:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Copyright problems with List of One Piece episodes (season 19) episode summaries

I just did a spot check of three recently added episode summaries and confirm ed that they are word-for-word same as summaries on multiple other websites, a direct violation Misplaced Pages's copyright policy. Looking at the edit history of the list, this same IP range has added several other summaries that are very likely to be copyright violations as well. I have started a discussion at Talk:List of One Piece episodes (season 19)#Copyright violations about how to remedy the situation. —Farix (t | c) 21:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

RfPP is backlogged

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I am going to start at the top of the list. If someone wants to start at the other end maybe we can meet in the middle. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

On it. Vanamonde (talk) 01:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

My user talk with Faux-nez !

Hello , I come here because I have a dilemma (according to your policy). As the problem is in french on enwiki, I am also looking for someone who speaks French to help me (miminum Fr-2). so...

Vous parlez donc en français pour lire un texte d'une IP (69.174.249.79) qui vient me demander sur ma page de discussion enwiki (User talk donc) de modifier une page sur frwiki. Il ne peut le faire puisque cette page est en semi-protection étendue (3 months and 500 edits). Mais pourquoi il vient m'écrire sur ma page anglaise ? Simplissime ! Cette IP ne fait que des modifications sur des entreprises sur enwiki et frwiki (je n'ai pas les outils pour contrôler tous les wikis). Je n'ai pas su faire un lien entre ces entreprises ou une société mère. Mais je suspecte fortement un Puppet (Faux-nez chez nous). Je pense que vous avez la même politique sur enwiki. Si c'est le cas un blocage global devrait être envisagé. Il doit utiliser un VPN. Probable qu'il ait utilisé plusieurs comptes et/ou plusieurs IP et qu'il vient me démarcher pour faire le "sale boulot". Plusieurs articles sont protégés du même vandale et la page w:fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Distribution aux Consommateurs devrait fortement vous intéresser. Les administrateurs de frwiki me lisent ici pour déterminer leur marche à suivre. D'ailleurs, un admin global ne serait peut-être pas superflu. Je donnerai une réponse vague demain sur ma user talk, en teneur :

:Bonjour ] ], :Tout d'abord merci pour le compliment. J'espère seulement que vous pourrez me lire avec une IP. Vous me parlez d'un article sur Wikip<big><u>'''é'''</u></big>dia (francophone donc), vous pouvez m'écrire sur cette partie de Wiki<big><u>'''m'''</u></big>edia, ]. Alors rendez-vous là bas {{smiley}}. Salutations.--~~~~

C'est bête, il ne savait pas à qu'il avait à faire "The best patroller in Wikimedia".
He only touched one page on frwiki, but there are already several articles in his history on enwiki. I let you decide and {{Reply to|Eihel}} because I can not follow all the discussions of all the wiki. Best regards. --Eihel (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy translation:

An IP user (69.174.249.79) has come to my talk page on enwiki to ask me to change an article on frwiki. The IP can't do it because the page is "extended semi-protected" (3 months and 500 edits). But why write on my talk page on enwiki? Simple! This IP only edits articles about companies on enwiki and frwiki (I don't have the tools to check all the wikis). I wasn't able to link these companies to each other, nor find a parent company, but I stronly suspect a sockpuppet. I think you have the same policy on enwiki. If that's the case, a global lock should be considered. The IP must be using a VPN, has probably used many accounts and/or many IPs and is asking me to do their "dirty job". Many articles are protected from this vandal and the page w:fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Distribution aux Consommateurs on frwiki should highly interest you. The admins on frwiki will read this thread here to decide what to do next, and a global admin would probably be useful. I plan to answer the IP tomorrow on my talk page, something like:

Hello 69.174.249.79. First, thank you for the compliment. I only hope that you'll be able to read this, being an IP. You are talking about an article on the French wiki, so you can write to me over there in French. So, see you there.

It's stupid, they didn't know they were dealing with "The best patroller in Wikimedia". .

Isa (talk) 07:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Eihel and Isa: Je pense que je ne sais suffit Français pour vous aider, mais cette IP est certainement un sock puppet de w:en:Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline, et il est aussi un proxy ouvert. Je l'ai bloqué ici, et je demanderai des stewards pour un blocage global sur meta (regardez ici). Merci beaucoup.

Bad translation of my bad translation: I think I don't know French well enough to help you, but this IP is definitely a sockpuppet of ConsumersDistributingonline, and is also an open proxy. I have blocked them here, and I will ask the stewards for a global lock on meta (see m:SRG). Thanks. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 13:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

• Note that faux-nez in french means sockpuppet. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

  "Fake nose" - wonderful! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

  "Phony nose" is more funny. --YB 13:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

  I figured it was just like eye dialect for "phony". Holden Caulfield would be ... well, not proud ... Ivanvector (/_Edits) 17:59, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Au cas où ça aiderait, Eihel, un bref survol des articles fréquemment visés révèle que la majorité sont des compagnies et marques liées à Quebecor (Shopping TVA, Vidéotron, MATV, SuperClub Vidéotron, TATV, etc), je serais 0% surpris que les comptes soient utilisés par un ou plusieurs employés de Québécor et/ou de la firme de gestion d'image qu'ils sous-contractent (potentiellement la même firme qu'Énergir). Ce qui saute aux yeux d'un québécois n'est peut-être pas aussi flagrant pour un européen alors je me permet d'ajouter mon petit commentaire ici, en espérant que je ne répète pas des conclusions auxquelles vous êtes arrivés depuis longtemps. :) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Spelling error in template

There's a spelling error in the boilerplate template for extended-confirmed protection, you can see it at WP:RDM for examples, which says "unconversial" where it should say "uncontroversial". I'm as useful as tits on a bull here; if someone can find the source of the text and fix it, that'd be great. --Jayron32 18:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

That should do it, I think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Paul Allen dies at 65

Paul Allen just passed away. Article is probably going to be getting fairly busy, especially given that he was a Microsoft co-founder & owner of a couple pro sports teams. Just a heads up to everyone. --TheSandDoctor 22:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Moving a user talk page back

In what looks like several good faith attempts to archive their user talk page, Idraulico liquido (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has moved the page several times. While I could swap the page back and tag the the redirects for deletion, I think this job is easier done by an admin. Sam Sailor 07:31, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Idraulico liquido:Talk in main space needs deletion as well. Sam Sailor 07:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

The bulk of the history is at User talk:Idraulico liquido/2009-2018. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected Risperidone

New user was trying to edit war bolding into the article and has now switched to multiple IP accounts. I have protected the page for 10 days. As I have edit the article a fair bit before am posting here. People are well to change the protection as they wish. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Benchmarking

Hi, I'm an sysop on the French project. We deal with a specific situation and I'm looking for some type of "jurisprudence" in my own project and elsewhere in order to come up with a solution. We have a user that insults other users through Twitter. Our general policy is that we do not deal with issues that aren't taking place on fr:wiki and I guess this is also the policy here. Yet, the situation is very disruptive and it's really a case of "gaming the system". Hence I was wondering if you had specific examples where the en:wiki sysops decided to take action against a user for offwiki misbehaviour. Best regards--Kimdime (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• One that immediately springs to mind is this case, where an editor was banned for outing another user on their personal blog. I believe there have also been sanctions related to comments made on IRC. Black Kite (talk) 11:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, the official IRC server was long-considered "half-on-wiki" and kinda-ish like a sister project; a lot of on-wiki policies applied there as well and the reverse was true. I'm just saying it's quite different from a completely external service like Twitter. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Another well known example is this, where an admin was desyopped and banned for off wiki harassment (he later was unbanned after an arbcom appeal). I believe prolific editors Tarc and TDA were banned for similar reasons by arbcom.💵Money💵emoji💵 13:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank y'all :)--Kimdime (talk) 22:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Bon courage Kimdime, et ne laisse pas les trolls gagner. :) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Another thing to consider is the possibility of joe jobbing -- unless the user confirms on-wiki "yes, this twitter account is me", there could always be a possibility that whoever is tweeting might only be pretending to be the same person in order to implicate the editor. My way out of this is usually simple: if you say the Twitter account isn't yours, post a screenshot of you reporting the Twitter account for impersonation ;) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

  Could happen but not the case here. The editor isn't trying to hide her Twitter account. She actually believes there is nothing wrong about insulting people on Twitter :)--Kimdime (talk) 06:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

All hands needed...

Please see IP Recent Changes. There's someone hammering random user talk pages. Any admin help in shutting this down as it happens will be most appreciated. Thanks. --Jayron32 16:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

That was different.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Watch for new hits at 939. — xaosflux 17:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I would also check filter 938, which is targeted for the Reference Desks, and which was the same abuse. Perhaps 938 and 939 could be merged to put this all under one umbrella. The filter terms for 938 would be helpful for 939 as well. --Jayron32 17:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, in the post-mortem, looking at the list of usernames hit, they people were all recent contributors to one of the reference desks. --Jayron32 17:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Act 2 Cam

Hi, can an admin please check this AFD out as it appears an editor has been outed by an ip as they only declared their identity after the event. Also the ips mentioned there seem to be acting in concert and it is also suspiscious that the editor criticising the sources hasn't actually voted delete so perhaps they are all connected, thanks Atlantic306 (talk)

There're no IPs in the edit history of that AfD, unless those edits have all been suppressed already. —Jeremy v^_^v 18:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• • Hi, the ips comments were copied there by Hhkohh (talk · contribs) after an AFD talkpage request, and the other ips conduct is commented on by Certes (talk · contribs) in the AFD, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Okay, now I see it; I've redacted it for now. I'll be getting in touch with someone for RevDel. —Jeremy v^_^v 18:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
• I've also redacted the info at Talk:Act 2 Cam and have contacted admins for RevDel. —Jeremy v^_^v 18:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: please don't report outing here. Follow the instructions at WP:OVERSIGHT. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• ok, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Request for Block

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Hello! I have retired from Misplaced Pages, and I would like to request a block on my account. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 01:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Youtube is down

For your information, Youtube appears to be having a near-complete outage and it's generating heavy traffic on related articles, such as Susan Wojcicki, which has had to be protected. Guessing general vandalism will probably spike anyway since there will be many with nothing better to do for now. Home Lander (talk) 02:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Interesting. I thought it was a problem with my home network. Thanks for the heads up.--Jayron32 02:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

That is why I could not get anything to play in Canada. Legacypac (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

$10 says PornHub traffic is spiking right now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Works for me. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Me too. L293D (☎ • ✎) 03:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for checking on PornHub's status, guys!—Now, what about YouTube... ;) ——SerialNumber54129 10:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

It's been up and down for me for the last hour. Presently working tho. SQL 03:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Please evaluate the block of Did Nychypir

I blocked today indef Did Nychypir. They registered and made just one edit: . The edit is in a heated perennial discussion and is IMO inflammatory, not really addressing the arguments and merely making a political statement. We have plenty of such users, both from Russian and Ukrainian side, and these are commonly blocked indef per NOTHERE if they have no useful contribution or if all of their contribution consists of POV edits. As far as I know, I am the most active but not the only admin in this area. Subsequently, Hddty suggested on my talk page that the user should have been warned and not blocked. Whereas I did not find their arguments fully convincing, they have merit, and, indeed, it is quite possible that due to abundance of POV pushers (and socks} in the topic area my perception is distorted, and I block indef too easily. I think it would be good if the block gets scrutinized at this noticeboard, and I (or any other admin) unblock the user if there IS consesus to unblock. Note that I participation in the same discussion and accidentally voted differently from the user (which was not a factor in my consideration - I would have blocked as well even if we had the same opinion) but I did not strike their vote merely leaving a note that I blocked them.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• (Non-administrator comment) I think WP:NOTHERE should only be invoked if it's a series of edits, not a single edit which isn't much to go on. Sure the user could've been warned, but that's not necessary in WP:NOTHERE cases. However, I do think the block is premature just because it was based on a single edit and should've waited until the user made more edits, which would've demonstrated whether they would've continued editing in this pattern. If the block gets overturned, they can always get blocked again.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 09:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Ah Ymblanter, where do I begin? To start off, if you are going to deliver block notice, let's use {{Uw-nothereblock}} instead of {{indefblocked}}, so technically the blocked user would be informed of how to appeal. In your block rationale, you mentioned "block evasion"; while I agree this is certainly is not a first account (more obvious by looking at Special:CentralAuth/Did_Nychypir), but did you have in mind what the master account could be? If not, it's probably better to approach more cautiously. I don't think this block is wrong, it's just done incorrectly. Alex Shih (talk) 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive WP:POINTY page moves need to be reverted

An editor has moved multiple pages to make a point (after not getting their way when trying to change Allahabad to a new name (Prayagraj, a name that hasn't even been officially approved by the Government of India, and isn't even close to have become the common name in English for the city; as a minor side note the name change is also religiously motivated, and pushed through by the people behind the Babri Masjid demolition in the same city...). In addition to making a cut-and-paste move of Bangalore to Bengaluru (a c-a-p move since the article is move-protected), they moved Allahabad division to Prayag division, Allahabad district to Prayagraj district and History of Allahabad to History of Prayagraj, apparently editing the redirects afterwards since I couldn't revert the moves. And they were not good-faith moves, but obviously made to make a point (based on their editing history). So could someone please move them back again ASAP? And if possible also move protect those articles, because this is with all probability going to happen again... - Tom | Thomas.W 10:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done (Non-administrator comment) Thomas.W the undiscussed controversial page moves have been reverted and move protection requested art WP:RFP. Please request future move reverts at WP:RMT.--DBigXrayᗙ 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Requesting it here saves time and energy (since it doesn't require posting on two different boards), it is also, in my experience, faster than requesting a technical move at WP:RMT... ;) - Tom | Thomas.W 11:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC) (and to make it even faster I have now requested extendedmover rights at WP:RFP/PM...)

WP:RMT is also fast in handling these requests. I posted the links, just to make sure that you are aware. lets wait for an admin now. tick tock tick tock. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• May be an Admin can add move protection. For the discussion on the rename topic, refer to the thread at Talk:Allahabad#Official_Name_Prayagraj_but_Common_Name_is_still_Allahabad --DBigXrayᗙ 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:JzG/Politics

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Can we have an uninvolved admin judge the consensus in this MfD? It caused a lot of fighting while it was going on. But it needs to be closed (its been around for 10 days) now and has not been edited since the 14th. funplussmart (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I've closed it. Alex Shih (talk) 12:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

In what universe is that not a POLEMIC or BLP Violation? Saying "Trump is racist" (..." but it is an undeniable fact that he is corrupt, dishonest, untruthful, a racist, a misogynist, ...") is not allowed in Misplaced Pages, and it's funny in a way because I was "warned" about an American flag on my page, but this crap is allowed? Sir Joseph 19:49, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Eh, sometimes feelings are more important than policy. PackMecEng (talk) 19:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Or, in this case, policy is more important than feelings. --Calton | Talk 21:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

What's interesting even more is that 21 and 22 are opinion and polls. Sir Joseph 19:56, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Well clearly, there was no consensus to delete and it would be wrong to close as delete as what, a supervote. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Y'all I'm going to reclose this and point you the way to WP:DRV if you disagree. Butting heads here won't change a thing.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey! I didn't get to bloviate before this got closed again! That's not fair! Wah! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

May i recommend a good COOLDOWNBOCK-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't help but wonder what the consensus would have been if he had said similar things about Hillary Clinton. Is there an "allowed if enough people agree with you" exception to WP:POLEMIC?

(Full disclosure; I have equal animosity towards both major US political parties, and would like to see a green or libertarian elected on the principle of "it's time to be disappointed by someone new".) --Guy Macon (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't help but wonder what the consensus would have been if he had said similar things about Hillary Clinton

You might just as well wonder what would happen if JzG were to sudden sprout butterfly wings and fly off to Mars, since such a thing would as equally likely or reality-based. For the "whataboutism" thing to work, you need an actual "about" to "what". --Calton | Talk 21:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Guy Macon: Fair point. I do recall that in the discussion an editor brought up the question of Does anyone here belong to the group JzG describes? I do feel like some of the "Keep" !votes may have been skewed by political beliefs, causing people to ignore the fact that the page straight up says "If you believe that a corporation can have a sincerely held religious belief, I think you're an idiot" (no, really. Use Ctrl+F or a similar shortcut and search for it) which is an obvious violation of WP:POLEMIC. _Hypercube ✎ 20:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Pointing someone to WP:DRV when there is a clear WP:LOCALCON to violate a Misplaced Pages policy is rather unhelpful, as is closing down an active discussion about the violation of policy. The same local consensus that it OK to violate WP:POLEMIC that we saw at MfD will of course also be found at DRV. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

You're missing the point. There was "no consensus" that policy is violated. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 20:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Two issues, 1 is POLEMIC, which is quite clear a violation. the 2nd issue is BLP, which is also quite clear a violation. Sir Joseph 20:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

And now the DRV was closed. It's quite clear the biases of Misplaced Pages and it ultimately ruins Misplaced Pages, not helps it. Wanting people to not violate POLEMIC or BLP is now considered, "not dropping the stick." Sir Joseph 20:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Reopened this as obviously not closable.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Now at ArbCom, for those interested. Perhaps we can close this here now? If nothing else, ArbCom rules will force everyone to condense their comments into a certain number of words, so people won't say the same thing over and over and over and over, like they will if we leave this open here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Have the agreed to hear? This opening and closing is making me dizzy.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oh, FFS. I closed the DRV, as DRV is meant for examining an assessment of consensus, not to relitigate an MfD. Open another MfD, if you feel so inclined. FWIW, I personally think the best way out of this would be for JzG to just remove the material in question: a statement of personal views is useful from an "acknowledge your bias" perspective, but the level of detail here is unnecessary. Why the heck are we taking this to ARBCOM? We have not come close to exhausting the community's ability to handle this. Vanamonde (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

  Ah, yes. We have tried an ANI post and MFD. Now we are off to ArbCOm.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

review of not block, please

CaptainCandor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) probably needs a WP:NOTHERE block, which I failed to perform because of my own political COI. Each and every edit. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

err, his, not mine.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hasn't made any egregious edits in article space since first being warned. Unless I'm misreading timestamps. I'd be inclined to wait and see if it has indeed stopped, and only block if it starts back up. But if it does start back up, just block indef to avoid a timesink. I'd say the same about someone relentlessly criticizing Democrats after creating their account; give them at least one chance to modify their behavior, but don't let them disrupt anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• I'd just like to preemptively Endorse Dlohcierekim's possible block of this editor, just in case of any future shenanigans. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) @Floquenbeam: Sorry, I was looking at these edits as you posted this, but I came to a different conclusion. My initial reaction was the same, but then I saw their message on Dlohcierekim's talk page, and that was the clincher for me. If anyone thinks me too harsh, they are welcome to lift this without first consulting me. Vanamonde (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Thanks y'all. I try not to let my politics get in the way of my judgement. Too much real life frustration.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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