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Thanks

Thanks to all of those who supported me in my RfC, Don't worry Armenia is not in Europe, so says 99.9% of every reference book on earth. I am going to go for mediation, wish me luck!----Caligvla 05:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Map

Does anyone prefer this image? Image:LocationArmenia.png the currnet map makes Armenia look insignificant way off in the corner, This page is about Armenia and Armenia should be proudly placed in the center of the map.--Hamparzoum 05:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the new map—it doesn't really matter if Armenia is in the center or not, because it's highlighted. Khoikhoi 05:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Something like this

http://www.metametrics.com/images/armenia.gif would be really cool, but it's not very consistent with other articles but hopefully you get the idea, Armenia should be the center of the world in this article.--Hamparzoum 05:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you claiming that Armenia is in the center of that (probably copyrighted) map? Are you kidding us?--Tekleni 08:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
The map stays.--Eupator 13:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Did I say to use THAT map, NO! I said to do something like it, where Armenia really pops out.--Hamparzoum 19:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This one is just fine where it is.--Eupator 19:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Pēters J. Vecrumba (see Talk:Armenia/Archive_2#Armenian_language_and_culture)

Diachronic map showing the Centum (blue) and Satem (red) areals. The supposed area of origin of Satemization is shown in darker red.

This is only a fringe hypothesis that Armenians descended in Balkans. In reality Armenians came to Caucasus from South-East, not from West. Anyway, it happened many thousands years ago, At this time scale, all Indo-European peoples originated in Europe, which does not make them European.--Nixer 00:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If what he says is a fringe hypothesis, what you're alleging is an uber fringe hypothesis, hell even further beyond that...Welcome back btw.--Eupator 04:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah Nixer, good to have you back, I have been all alone and under attack!
Anyway, I have an advocate now, and the conversation continues here, http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Walton_monarchist89.
--Caligvla 05:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Straw poll-Armenia

Moved from << User talk:Walton monarchist89. - Francis Tyers · 12:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

NB This poll will close at 10.30 AM Greenwich Mean Time, on Friday 10th November. Please leave comments before that time. Walton monarchist89 14:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Support: On the Armenia page, change this sentence Culturally, historically and politically Armenia is considered part of Europe to this sentence: Armenia is situated at a cultural, historical, and religious intersection and located at the crossroads between Europe and Asia, in the southern Caucasus.
  • Oppose: Leave this sentence Culturally, historically and politically Armenia is considered part of Europe where it is.

Support

  • Support:I have support, for this statement.--Hamparzoum 00:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support:I think it's a fair compromise, although it may also be useful to include the fact that Armenia has a European-style of government and belongs to European political organizations. -- Augustgrahl 14:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support:I agree to the proposed change as it is written, The 3rd paragraph of the Article mentions that Armenian is a member of the Con. of Europe. In the politics section it mentions the type of govt. So I think those areas are covered. Thanks.--Caligvla 15:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support:I will agree to this, but it should say between Europe and the Middle East, Armenia doesn't have many links with India, Mongolia or China, but a large part of Iran,(which is in the heart of the Middle East) use to be Armenian property and there are so many Armenian-Iranians so it seems unfair to leave out this deep cultural connection. I will agree to the proposal, there is already an article on Armenian-Iranians so if someone has a hunger for more info. it can be found.--Craig Thomasian 20:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support but it also should be pointed explesitely that Armenia is in Asia. It is not transcontinential nation.--Nixer 21:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Additional Comments

This poll should be moved to Talk:Armenia and conducted in the orthodox manner. - Francis Tyers · 20:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Agree with Francis. Never seen that before in my wiki-life! •NikoSilver• 20:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Poll was moved. - Francis Tyers · 12:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd be prepared to bet my monthly wage that Hamparzoum is a sockpuppet of Caligvla. I mean it seems to be a single purpose account entirley devoted to supporting Caligva's POV, and taking Calivla's place when he is blocked for disruption.--Tekleni 12:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
This isn't a racetrack. If you've got an legitimate evidence, take it to RfCU. --InShaneee 18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Since this appears to be at a deadlock, would any of the "oppose" voters care to suggest an alternate text as a compromise? There seems to be clear feeling that it should be changed, so the quickest way to end this would be to find something that everyone could agree on. --InShaneee 18:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

We are not deadlocked nor is there any "clear feeling" that there should be a change. I count 2 (the other two new user votes are debatable) vs 8, and if I were to inform various users of the ongoing vote as caligvla did (he didn't canvass just said there is a vote to selected users) we would have a few dozen extra votes in support. In addition, the existing version is already a compromise.--Eupator 18:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
"Debateable" or not, there does appear to be sentiment that there needs to be a changed. I didn't ask your opinion on who was 'right' (you've made that painfully obvious to everyone), I was asking any 'oppose' voters if they have any suggestions on wording that everyone could agree on. --InShaneee 20:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't appear to be so at all. Where you got that notion, I couldn't begin to assume. The Oppose header clearly states:Leave this sentence Culturally, historically and politically Armenia is considered part of Europe where it is. When you vote for oppose, you are not voting against the other sentence you are voting against any changes. As for the debatable votes, i'm sure you know very well that single purpose account's of new users cannot vote. --Eupator 20:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I am aware of this, but the fact is that this poll shows that not everyone is happy with that sentence, thus some sort of change remains the best way to get everyone back on the same page. Since CLEARLY you're not happy with the current proposal, I thought one of the oppose voters might want to suggest something else that the 'support' voters might be able to get on board with. --InShaneee 20:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Have you ever seen a poll conducted here with a unanimous result? Of course the initiator of the problem is not going to vote for opposed nor would the two suspicious new users. So there is one actual user(Augustgrahl), and even he isn't exactly onboard with that suggestion. The only thing that will satisfy caligvla is the removal of this sentence. I can't see how that is ever going to happen therefore I don't see how I could offer a suggestion to satisfy caligula's demands. But hey, lets see what others say, if they say something at all.--Eupator 21:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Calm down, and don't make accusations. No, not every poll ends unanimously, but that doesn't mean you should just take an "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and ignore/belittle the opposition. The suggested new wording is what's called a 'compromise'; it's where each side steps down just a little to something that both can live with. I ask again, any 'oppose' voters want to suggest a better phrasing to help end this? --InShaneee 21:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm calm as a quiet sea on a sunny day, i'm not the one making accusations or shouting for that matter. As far as i'm concerned a "compromise" is not a requirement nor is there anything here that can warrant a call for compromise, not to mention that not all raised disputes are closed with a compromise. Like I said lets see if any of the oppose voters disagree with me here. --Eupator 21:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
That's precisely the problem; you don't see the need to make compromises when you can just dub someone 'right' and everyone else 'socks'. You could always...you know...give it a try this once. --InShaneee 21:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Is that a fact? Enough with the accusations already...--Eupator 21:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that was a fact. --InShaneee 21:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Call it what you will, it still is nothing more than a personal attack.--Eupator 21:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
No, it's an explanation of why these 'discussions' always devolve into chaos. --InShaneee 04:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Interesting that nobody seems to share your opinion.--Eupator 15:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Oddly enough, it's still correct. --InShaneee 19:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
You saying it's correct doesn't make it so. It's not a dictatorship.--Eupator 19:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Nor does you throwing out attacks like that make it untrue. --InShaneee 21:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Tohmahto, pohtatho...--Eupator 21:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Continental dispute

I would like to point out that I have adjusted the disputed sentences in such a way as to (I hope) satisfy all parties. Remember, the "border" between Europe and Asia is wholly arbitrary, and my version makes that point explicitly. DS 16:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

That's fine with me.--Eupator 16:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
NO! The geographic and cultural borders of Europe have been clear for 1000s of years, to call the border arbitrary is original research.--Caligvla 17:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
How have they been clear for thousands of years?--Tekleni 17:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
How can the borders have been clear for thousands of years when thousands of years ago nobody had a precise knowledge of the landmasses of the globe? Can you provide a source that has clear, undisputed, universally agreed-upon borders between Europe and Asia? -- Augustgrahl 17:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Calling the borders "clear for 1000s of years", as you have done, Caligvla, is too a violation of OR|riginal research policy, should you fail to provide a source. Martinp23 17:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
This is just Caligvla's POV pushing nonsense (the true "nonsense" around here). There is no universal agreement on continents even today (their definition can vary from country to country).--Tekleni 17:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Can you please give any source that defines the border of Europe such a way that Armenia cames out to be situated in Europe?--Nixer 18:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
It's an arbitrary boundary. Here's an example:Where is the border between Europe and Asia? The artificial boundary between the continents of Europe and Asia lies along the Ural Mountains south to the Ural River and the Caspian Sea and the along the Caucasus Mountains to the Black Sea. Europe and Asia are physically one great landmass commonly called Eurasia.--Eupator 18:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Another interesting link:http://www.insideeurope.org--Eupator 18:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Even if it is arbitrary, there is not source that puts Armenia (or India, or Afghanistan) in Europe. Most souces draw the line along Caucasus. I do not know other ways used to define borders of Europe in the region. If you know - please give souces. Is there any source defining the border such way that puts Armenia in Europe?--Nixer 18:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Well yes. COE, EU and all member states, BBC, the Canadian government, the Armenian gov obviously etc. --Eupator 18:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Really? How they define the borders of Europe?--Nixer 18:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
With Armenia in it.--Eupator 18:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Where the border between Europe and Asia lies in this version? Or is Armenia an exclave?--Nixer 19:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
It's not an exlave because Georgia is within Europe as well. --Eupator 20:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I urge everyone to read this (including nixer and caligvla):http://www.libertas-institut.com This covers absolutely evrything!--Eupator 18:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Funny paper. The author says that restricting EU membership to only European countries is racism. No comments :-) --Nixer 19:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no such thing in there. It said restricting EU membership to "core" European countries is quasi racism. By core the author meant Western Europe obviously, read carefully. That's obviously history now since the accession of Cyprus and soon Romania and Bulgaria.--Eupator 19:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

From the above source:

Only European states can belong to the EU. The question is if Armenia is a European state. Those who say no can say only that its geographical location is in what is often denominated in Europe as “Smaller Asia”.

However, there is a large front of pros:

  • membership in the Council of Europe
  • clear orientation of its population towards Europe
  • large consensus with Western European values
  • Western European civilization elements prevail
  • membership in many European bodies

A restriction to core-Europe is today considered, after all, as quasi-racist.

Armenia is also in the evaluations of most geographers a European state, but “at the edge” towards the East, towards Asia. Armenia should not deny this, but positively display this fact towards the rest of Europe.

The head of the EU Delegation for Armenia and Georgia, Torben Holtze, said clearly that “as a matter of principle Armenia is a European country and like other European states it has the right to be a EU member provided it meets necessary standards and criteria”. Also, the European Parliament noted on 12 January 2002 that Armenia (and Georgia) may enter the EU in future; many official documents contain this wording10.

--Eupator 18:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Cold Truth

Eupator and CO. have the POV pushing issue, if the Armenian Govt. is perfectly fine with defining Armenia as contained within Asia Minor. See http://www.gov.am/enversion/links.htm & http://www.armeniainfo.am/about/?section=people And yes the 2nd link may well be publically traded but content is still controled by the govt. Armenia is still a developing nation and still in the transition process from an controled economy. So, what is the big stink about?

  • Could it be that Armenia is at conflict with ALL their neighbors.
  • Could it be that possible membership in the EU would have great economic benefits?
  • Could the desire to be European, be an intentional backhanded insult to other Asians?
  • Could it be that the Middle East is not that trendy of a vacation spot and sharing a border with Iran hurts tourism?

If you want to pretend to be Europeans, great! It's a better way of life, and I am sure it will work to your benefit. But it still doesn't put Armenia geographicly in Europe and if you are geoographicaly in Asia Minor you are part of the Asian family of cultures. For generations, part of Nagasaki Japan has a Dutch speaking community with Dutch style homes, and people wear Dutch clothes and eat Dutch foods, They have windmills and if you saw a photo you would swear it was in the Neitherlands. But it's not is it? You are still in Asia!

This Article is not the place to push a political agenda, or a racist POV, it should contain factual information and avoid controversy. There is a reason why this site http://www.armeniainfo.am/about/?section=people doesn't say Armenians are Europeans, because it's nonsence.--Caligvla 22:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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